Secret Wars (May 6th)

[t209]

Ladies, Gentleman, and every people with preferred gender identity.
I have a news; Secret Wars will commence next week on May 6th. This ain't the old one where everyone decided to work together and get out of Beyonder's game. Unfortunately, it's back to good ol' heroes fighting heroes now. Garth Ennis is joining the fray as a writer for WW1 fighter vs Pterodactyls.
I have a bad feeling on upcoming "Renew Your Vows" by Dan Slott (probably kill them with glee or end with a tragic ending). But since Miles Morales is on All New Avengers, I think it will be "Spiderman retiring and handing his position to Miles Morales and occasionally helping him out as a mentor" (Plus Spiderman would be Marvel's Animal Man from Grant Morrison era or Bruce from Batman Beyond).
I am also into Guardians 3000 now and it's kinda cool but I am somewhat lost when
Guardians got killed in first issue but came back in next issue with alterations. I know the girl can see the future but I am kinda confused about this..
I am hoping for this team up.
Nova Corps- Sam Alexander, Richard Rider, Rob Rider Nova 0.0, Anwen Bakian (http://www.themarysue.com/infinity-gauntlet-1-announced/), Kaelynn Alexander (http://i59.tinypic.com/2rp4gf8.jpg), Deadpool Nova (now offending Sam's maternal heritage), Spiderman Nova (http://picturethisdeviant.deviantart.com/art/New-Recruit-333650471), and Pony Nova (the last one might be used as a troll to anger the Rich Rider's fans).
Guardians of the Galaxy and 31st century Guardians
P.S- I am feeling that Richard Rider is the 21st century equivalent of Omega: the Unknown (good story but editors tried to cancel him) now. Heck, even Comic Book Resources are banning "Bring back Richard" crowd Even Bendis thought of bringing him back as a villain or I am missing something (like stereotypical "beat him and cure his amnesia"). Plus some writers didn't even bother to mention him if he will come back. Then again, I don't seem to have "Want Richard" magic inside of me since I recently started on Nova. And I am diagnosed with PDHD, which might impair my critical taste.

[t209]

It begins (http://www.comicvine.com/reviews/secret-wars-1/1900-4093/).
So here's the current butcher's bill,
- Sue Storm
- The Thing
- Human Torch
- Franklin Richard (young one)
- entire FF
- Rocket Racoon
- Groot
- Black Widow
- Spiderwoman
- Everyone who left on both 616 and Ultimate verse
- possibly Life Raft unless it turned out that every hero was teleported to Battle World.
:smallfrown: I missed the old Secret Wars. Maybe they should go with Papa Nurgle popping out of ground and devastating major cities, ala Warhammer: End Times.
edit: Not to mention trying to erase everything that is not owned by Disney (Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver Origin, Fantastic Four, and definitely not Spiderman yet).
So anyone thought if they plan to make an adaptation from Secret Wars, especially the old one.

[Lizard Lord]

I am also into Guardians 3000 now and it's kinda cool but I am somewhat lost when
Guardians got killed in first issue but came back in next issue with alterations. I know the girl can see the future but I am kinda confused about this..


She doesn't see the future. She sees and remembers the retcons. It is why she can understand Groot (since Groot used to be able to speak normally but was retconed without explanation into only being able to say "I am Groot") while not understanding why not one else can. The 1st issue took place in a universe that was ended and then retconed. She figured out what would happen next since almost everything else about the new timeline was so similar.

A whole lot of events would be a lot different if Gena Drake was involved.

[t209]

Okay, Secret Wars issue 2 is out
When I speculated that Invisible Woman is dead by judging the cover of A-Force and life-raft turned out to be pointless when it turned out that everyone is present on Battleworld. I was told read this issue.
Too bad that Marvel Comics didn't bring back Richard Rider. I mean entire iteration of Novas in Secret Wars, including Deadpool Nova.

[Lizard Lord]

Okay, Secret Wars issue 2 is out
When I speculated that Invisible Woman is dead by judging the cover of A-Force and life-raft turned out to be pointless when it turned out that everyone is present on Battleworld. I was told read this issue.
Too bad that Marvel Comics didn't bring back Richard Rider. I mean entire iteration of Novas in Secret Wars, including Deadpool Nova.

The only secret wars characters (besides possibly Dr. Doom) that are the versions we know are Mr. Fantastic (both Ultimate and 616), Spider-Man (again both Ultimate and 616), Black Panther, Thor (the new one, but still from Earth 616) Captain Marvel, Star-Lord, Cyclops, Thanos, Maximas, Namor, Proxima Midnight, Corvas Glaive, Terrax, and Black Swan. (The Cabal and the Avengers as it were.) Though I am not sure how familiar you are with those last few. Everyone else died. They have at least one version of themselves recreated on Battleworld (And really, this being comics dead almost never means you won't see them come back in some form or another and if it is a popular character you can certainly cross off that almost.), but the old versions are definitely dead.

Explaining why so many of them are willing to accept Doom as their god.

[t209]

So
Is it before the Ark or after the ark? or Those were reincarnation.

[Ramza00]

My god I loathe cataclysmic events being used to create a reboot, a reboot where you are destroying everything and then recreate it in a way that the old characters / universes are not even photos or memories but instead echo's little displaced ions and matter that had no ultimate *personal* contribution to the world that follows. It is deus ex machina as the intended story telling vehicle spread over hundreds or thousands of pages told over years of real life. It is watching a head on collision of two trains where human **agency** is removed time is moving but it feels like it stop for you have become an observer instead of a participant.

It is a mockery of life, it is not life but instead in life or should it be known as undeath. It is you living in the matrix and just when you thought you brought it down it instead reboots.

On first instinct I would want George RR Martin to write the death scenes so at least the events will be memorable but that would not work for Martin's style only works when the reader does not know the sword of damacles is about to fall and on who. If you see it coming it is not feeling legimate emotion besides physically enjoying the sadism, it is disaster porn, where you are watching villians throwing live human beings in a tiger pit, and once one side is the victor you then throw a Molotov cocktail into the pit and watch the survivors burn alive with no control over your destiny.

In my opinion this sums it up best
There is a scene in the Mask of Zorro where Joaquin Murrieta (the future's Zorro's brother) is about to die, he is about to be killed like a dog. His opponent Captain Love says to him, "I want you to know that I consider this an honor" before Joaquin is about to have his life removed from him from a sadist (a person who delights in hurting others) he instead spits on the ground as an act of defiance pulls out his own gun and shoots himself, he takes his own life to deny Captain Love the pleasure of seeing him causing someone else pain and then deriving satisfaction from that. Sometimes the only choice you can make is to deny all the other choices and do nothing for doing nothing when the emotions want you to do action is to do something. It is a form of agency, to resist the natural order and to instill your will.

Or put another way

[http://i.imgur.com/v9wygz6.jpg
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maiutozA5g1qmvlh4o1_250.gif

Everyone is going to die and become death the only way for you to matter is ultimately realize this that you will end and then take joy in this and to realize that in service to others, possibly an idea, family, friends, society something external you become more than your limited flesh. Thus the difference between men and shadows is to have agency and create light of your own volition.

I am not going to link it directly but there is a video called "the psychology of the sopranos," warning it includes organized and where violence, boobs, and spoilers from the HBO show.

Notice Dr. Melfi's answer to Tony's question "do you want to say anything?"

If she answered with her feelings she would experience a temporary feeling but in the end would that rewind the past? Thus instead of answering the question with her emotions, she answered literally, she made a choice on how she want to answer the question for by understand the greater importance of questions and feelings she is not controlled by them. She can always make a choice and this in the end is the ultimate power in the universe.

[t209]

My god I loathe cataclysmic events being used to create a reboot, a reboot where you are destroying everything and then recreate it in a way that the old characters / universes are not even photos or memories but instead echo's little displaced ions and matter that had no ultimate *personal* contribution to the world that follows. It is deus ex machina as the intended story telling vehicle spread over hundreds or thousands of pages told over years of real life. It is watching a head on collision of two trains where human **agency** is removed time is moving but it feels like it stop for you have become an observer instead of a participant.

It is a mockery of life, it is not life but instead in life or should it be known as undeath. It is you living in the matrix and just when you thought you brought it down it instead reboots.

On first instinct I would want George RR Martin to write the death scenes so at least the events will be memorable but that would not work for Martin's style only works when the reader does not know the sword of damacles is about to fall and on who. If you see it coming it is not feeling legimate emotion besides physically enjoying the sadism, it is disaster porn, where you are watching villians throwing live human beings in a tiger pit, and once one side is the victor you then throw a Molotov cocktail into the pit and watch the survivors burn alive with no control over your destiny.

In my opinion this sums it up best
There is a scene in the Mask of Zorro where Joaquin Murrieta (the future's Zorro's brother) is about to die, he is about to be killed like a dog. His opponent Captain Love says to him, "I want you to know that I consider this an honor" before Joaquin is about to have his life removed from him from a sadist (a person who delights in hurting others) he instead spits on the ground as an act of defiance pulls out his own gun and shoots himself, he takes his own life to deny Captain Love the pleasure of seeing him causing someone else pain and then deriving satisfaction from that. Sometimes the only choice you can make is to deny all the other choices and do nothing for doing nothing when the emotions want you to do action is to do something. It is a form of agency, to resist the natural order and to instill your will.

Or put another way

[http://i.imgur.com/v9wygz6.jpg
https://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_maiutozA5g1qmvlh4o1_250.gif

Everyone is going to die and become death the only way for you to matter is ultimately realize this that you will end and then take joy in this and to realize that in service to others, possibly an idea, family, friends, society something external you become more than your limited flesh. Thus the difference between men and shadows is to have agency and create light of your own volition.

I am not going to link it directly but there is a video called "the psychology of the sopranos," warning it includes organized and where violence, boobs, and spoilers from the HBO show.

Notice Dr. Melfi's answer to Tony's question "do you want to say anything?"

If she answered with her feelings she would experience a temporary feeling but in the end would that rewind the past? Thus instead of answering the question with her emotions, she answered literally, she made a choice on how she want to answer the question for by understand the greater importance of questions and feelings she is not controlled by them. She can always make a choice and this in the end is the ultimate power in the universe.
So even if Hickman decided to use Papa Nurgle-esque story from Warhammer: End Times instead of Heroes vs. Heroes.
You check out Multiversity and Convergence* for anti-thesis for this.
*Yes, they brought back old Fawcett Shazam after New 52 and Final Crisis, and Loin and Superman are married again.

[Man on Fire]

My god I loathe cataclysmic events being used to create a reboot

This is not a reboot, multiple people have said so. We already have a glipse of stories after SW and continuity seems more or less fine.

[GloatingSwine]

This is not a reboot, multiple people have said so. We already have a glipse of stories after SW and continuity seems more or less fine.

On the other hand, Miles Morales is Spider-Man in the Avengers and we have always been at war with Eastasia.

Secret Wars is basically Crisis on Infinite Earths. No more multiverse, no more numbered earths, just one Marvel Universe.

[t209]

So reading Battleworld,
So I am feeling that Howard The Duck is becoming prominent in current times. I wonder if they should make MCU movie about him like the old movie but with super heroes. That is what Disney XD should make instead of Ultimate Spiderman, it's even getting up to Season 4.

[Lizard Lord]

There are characters whom I am wondering if we will see any version of in Battleworld.

Have we seen a Mr. Fantastic (besides the two that arrived in seperate life boats, that is) Deadpool, or Squirrel Girl?

I suppose Deadpool killed all of his other selves in Deadpool kills Deadpool, so there may be no Deadpools here. As for Squirrel Girl and Mr. Fantastic, well...if God Doom still has enough of the Dr. Doom we know in him then he may just be petty enough to make sure Battleworld didn't have any Mr. Fantastics or Squirrel Girls when it was created. Granted I am pretty sure the Marvel Universe that comes after will still have both of them so I'm not worried about Squirrel Girl be erased from continuity.

[Thrudd]

There are characters whom I am wondering if we will see any version of in Battleworld.

Have we seen a Mr. Fantastic (besides the two that arrived in seperate life boats, that is) Deadpool, or Squirrel Girl?

I suppose Deadpool killed all of his other selves in Deadpool kills Deadpool, so there may be no Deadpools here. As for Squirrel Girl and Mr. Fantastic, well...if God Doom still has enough of the Dr. Doom we know in him then he may just be petty enough to make sure Battleworld didn't have any Mr. Fantastics or Squirrel Girls when it was created. Granted I am pretty sure the Marvel Universe that comes after will still have both of them so I'm not worried about Squirrel Girl be erased from continuity.

Being that Dr Doom created Battleworld and is its God emperor, I think the absence of Mr Fantastics, Grimms, and Johnny Storms is on purpose. He's gonna be pissed when he learns two Reeds have escaped the destruction of the previous multiverse, including the one he hates the most...

[Hytheter]

Being that Dr Doom created Battleworld and is its God emperor, I think the absence of Mr Fantastics, Grimms, and Johnny Storms is on purpose. He's gonna be pissed when he learns two Reeds have escaped the destruction of the previous multiverse, including the one he hates the most...

There is at least one Ben Grimm, he looks to be a major character in Future Imperfect. Johnny Storm was also around but was turned into the sun as punishment for some crime.

[Thrudd]

There is at least one Ben Grimm, he looks to be a major character in Future Imperfect. Johnny Storm was also around but was turned into the sun as punishment for some crime.

Cool, yeah I haven't had a chance to read last weeks and this weeks issues. I'm excited to see weirdworld, I hope it's as cool as it sounds. The first issue of Where Monsters Dwell was pretty good. I like the pulpy throwback style stories.

[t209]

So I have one thing about Infinity Gauntlet.
judging that Anwen found a stone before his mom appeared, maybe she was resurrected.
Also it's the old-fashioned Nova Corps, the one that gained power from computers since Anwen's mom still has power without the helmet.
I wonder if Nova (the half-mexican kid) survived, either on Ark or Knowhere. I am kinda disappointed with Issue 31 though since the writers wasted potential of Beta Ray Bill team-up and even revealing Jesse's other secret (possibly a humanoid alien).
Also *sigh*
http://40.media.tumblr.com/e019af321bd6195eff8dd0fd50d7ec75/tumblr_nokm4wo76n1s2lswpo1_1280.jpg
And they made a dog a Nova (there's a difference between a talking squirrel from Green Lantern, and a normal dog).

[Lizard Lord]

So I have one thing about Infinity Gauntlet.
judging that Anwen found a stone before his mom appeared, maybe she was resurrected.
Also it's the old-fashioned Nova Corps, the one that gained power from computers since Anwen's mom still has power without the helmet.
I wonder if Nova (the half-mexican kid) survived, either on Ark or Knowhere. I am kinda disappointed with Issue 31 though since the writers wasted potential of Beta Ray Bill team-up and even revealing Jesse's other secret (possibly a humanoid alien).
Also *sigh*
http://40.media.tumblr.com/e019af321bd6195eff8dd0fd50d7ec75/tumblr_nokm4wo76n1s2lswpo1_1280.jpg
And they made a dog a Nova (there's a difference between a talking squirrel from Green Lantern, and a normal dog).

DC made a normal cat a red lantern. (FYI, I like Dax-Star)

[t209]

DC made a normal cat a red lantern. (FYI, I like Dax-Star)
Except it's a post apocalyptic story and doesn't seem to suit well.
Especially when people are angry at not bringing back Richard Rider and giving him a horrible story in Original Sins.
I don't know but as much as I enjoy Sam, I kinda feel that they tried to make it MCU (Chitauris, etc.) and find final issue underwhelming.
Particularly not even hinting Jesse as humanoid alien, just him escaping from science pod. I mean we don't have half-Aliens with both sets of parents raising him.

[Kitten Champion]

So I have one thing about Infinity Gauntlet.
judging that Anwen found a stone before his mom appeared, maybe she was resurrected.
Also it's the old-fashioned Nova Corps, the one that gained power from computers since Anwen's mom still has power without the helmet.
I wonder if Nova (the half-mexican kid) survived, either on Ark or Knowhere. I am kinda disappointed with Issue 31 though since the writers wasted potential of Beta Ray Bill team-up and even revealing Jesse's other secret (possibly a humanoid alien).
Also *sigh*
http://40.media.tumblr.com/e019af321bd6195eff8dd0fd50d7ec75/tumblr_nokm4wo76n1s2lswpo1_1280.jpg
And they made a dog a Nova (there's a difference between a talking squirrel from Green Lantern, and a normal dog).

It's Cosmo.

[t209]

It's Cosmo.
No, it's the dog from the main casts.
Cosmo is not a german shepherd.
Unless their dog was possessed by a ghost of dead centurion or some placeholder until someone comes (like glorified backpack).

[Metahuman1]

It could just be stylized. And didn't all the lantern corps have one animal member at one point? I know the Reds had a Cat member and the Blues had Hope Corgi who was a million kinds of awesome.

[kpenguin]

It could just be stylized. And didn't all the lantern corps have one animal member at one point? I know the Reds had a Cat member and the Blues had Hope Corgi who was a million kinds of awesome.

Hope Corgi is a fan thing.

[Lizard Lord]

Except it's a post apocalyptic story and doesn't seem to suit well.
Especially when people are angry at not bringing back Richard Rider and giving him a horrible story in Original Sins.
I don't know but as much as I enjoy Sam, I kinda feel that they tried to make it MCU (Chitauris, etc.) and find final issue underwhelming.
Particularly not even hinting Jesse as humanoid alien, just him escaping from science pod. I mean we don't have half-Aliens with both sets of parents raising him.

And it takes part in the same world that includes New Quack City with a neighborhood reserved for anthropomorphic ducks.

[t209]

Why am I feeling that?
- Battleworld is kinda like giant amusement park, like Disney Land's theme division.
- Sam Alexander either died or moved to Nowhere (maybe had to leave behind everyone unless Jesse managed to get another Black Nova helmet for him discovered that Grandma Alexander is a Xandarian Nova (snag her old equipments from ruins) and would make Jesse an idiot since he basically ditched a utopia (pre-got their planet blown to asteroid cities) to go "native with humans". And for bonus, Garthan Saal might turn out to be Sam's grandfather.).
- And Ultimate Ends 4's Sam might not only be the terrible one from Ultimate Spiderman Show but also representation of every bad things about Ultimate universe (maybe Xandarians in that verse might be isolationist Xenophobic who barely tolerate Sam for being a half-human, which he was happy to ditch the crumbling planet for Earth. Instead of genuinely heroic people.)
- How many time had Clint Barton (Hawkeye) died before Thors zapped him?