Things I May No Longer Do while Playing VIII: Why is the PLOT on fire?

[Draconium]

* Not allowed to keep asking, and escalating, questions on why the people in Kill la Kill have to wear fanservicey clothing.
** My response to 'their Life Fibers give them combat powers, but must be worn sparingly to avoid getting consumed by the Life Fibers entirely' should not be 'why not wear normal clothes OVER their Life Fibers?'
*** Or 'why not design the Life Fiber clothes such that they're not so provocative? What and how they cover is just as, if not more important than, the amount of skin they cover!'
**** Kill la Kill weaves their story around the fanservice, is that not good enough for you considering how few writers do that?

***** May not be very happy about a post about an anime that I literally just finished watching earlier today.

[Hiro Protagonest]

* Not allowed to keep asking, and escalating, questions on why the people in Kill la Kill have to wear fanservicey clothing.
** My response to 'their Life Fibers give them combat powers, but must be worn sparingly to avoid getting consumed by the Life Fibers entirely' should not be 'why not wear normal clothes OVER their Life Fibers?'
*** Or 'why not design the Life Fiber clothes such that they're not so provocative? What and how they cover is just as, if not more important than, the amount of skin they cover!'
**** Kill la Kill weaves their story around the fanservice, is that not good enough for you considering how few writers do that?

The only people who would throw clothes over the kamui are those without the self-confidence to use its full power in the first place.

I mean, I don't defend the power source itself, but the way it's presented makes sense.

Also:

** My response to 'their Life Fibers give them combat powers, but must be worn sparingly to avoid getting consumed by the Life Fibers entirely' should not be 'why not wear normal clothes OVER their Life Fibers?'
This is only relevant for like, the first two or three episodes. After that, Ryuko only has to give a little bit of blood for Senketsu's initial activation and can sustain it as long as she wants. Satsuki has to use her iron will to keep Junketsu from taking over her, and I don't see how wearing normal clothes over it would help with that?

[5ColouredWalker]

* Cannot bring a sheet of paper explaining why Adam Jensen would lose to an average Street Samurai to the first session of a Shadowrun
Can I get a copy?

[Rater202]

The only people who would throw clothes over the kamui are those without the self-confidence to use its full power in the first place.

I mean, I don't defend the power source itself, but the way it's presented makes sense.

Also:

This is only relevant for like, the first two or three episodes. After that, Ryuko only has to give a little bit of blood for Senketsu's initial activation and can sustain it as long as she wants. Satsuki has to use her iron will to keep Junketsu from taking over her, and I don't see how wearing normal clothes over it would help with that?

Thst's not the complaint.

The complaint is the fanservicy outfits.

It's justified by keeping minimum contact with the blood draining thingy.

Byt why not make non skimpy, normal cloths and wear them over the life fibers to preserve modesty? That is question.

Though I think they explained that at one point.

[TeChameleon]

** May not follow to try and persuade the following characters to join me in a vast lesbian harem: Ryuko, Mako, Homura, Esther, Hinata, Yang Xiaolong, Erza, Yoko, Nyarko-san, all the girls from Love Hina, Sailor Mercury, Ashley from EGS, Korra, Asami, Nanoha and Fate, Shirley, CC, Kallen, Milly, and of course: Secret.
*** May not tick off the Oogakari Clan while I'm there for kicks and giggles. Their wrath can end multiverses y'know.
**** May not try to obtain Spiral Power devices to put into my own cybernetics.
... wait, Secret (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Greta_Hayes_%28New_Earth%29)?

Also, I'd tend to agree with Draconium. This sounds like an elaborate way to commit violent and painful suicide.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Thst's not the complaint.

The complaint is the fanservicy outfits.

It's justified by keeping minimum contact with the blood draining thingy.

Byt why not make non skimpy, normal cloths and wear them over the life fibers to preserve modesty? That is question.

Though I think they explained that at one point.

The blood-draining has nothing to do with the skimpiness, the kamui can only fully merge with their wearer if the wearer is comfortable in such an outfit, requiring absolute confidence/shamelessness. The kamui Senketsu and Junketsu are the only skimpy outfits, the rule doesn't apply to the goku uniforms.

I'm not defending the power coming from absolute shamelessness and think they could've done it another way, but as presented, it makes sense.

I mean, there's also that rebel group that doesn't just wear "safe" clothes for some reason... that's less logical.

[Lord Raziere]

... wait, Secret (http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Greta_Hayes_%28New_Earth%29)?

Also, I'd tend to agree with Draconium. This sounds like an elaborate way to commit violent and painful suicide.

No, Secret from Keychain of Creation

not if your two DBZ Androids with power levels far greater than any of the above. Aside from maaaaybe Yoko if she somehow gets access to enough of the TTGL.

[Rater202]

No, Secret from Keychain of Creation

I think she's underage.

[Lord Raziere]

I think she's underage.

which is why this a thread for things NOT to do.

* May not bring up a IC card game and expect it to be nothing but background fluff while the characters talk.

[goto124]

the kamui can only fully merge with their wearer if the wearer is comfortable in such an outfit, requiring absolute confidence/shamelessness.

I'm not defending the power coming from absolute shamelessness and think they could've done it another way, but as presented, it makes sense.

* May not thank Hiro Protagonest and Rater202 for the discussion.
** May not say 'presentation matters'.

[Anonymouswizard]

*I am no longer allowed to mention "Unlimited Blade Works"
**I am no longer allowed to use the words "Unlimited", "Blade", and "Works" in the same sentence
***I am no longer allowed to use the words "Unlimited" or "Works" in the same sentence.
****I am no longer allowed to use the word "Unlimited".
*****I am never to mention the word "Drills" again.

****** Must inform the GM that 'infinite creation of swords' is the Japanese name before I use it.


*No longer allowed to have the Bard break into "Be a Man" from Mulan during the training montage when the team is in the army's drill camps.

** Especially the Google translate version.


Can I get a copy?

Not written yet, because I have a year until the game happens.


I think she's underage.

I always assumed she was 16, so old enough to do it, but not to appear in porn. It really depends how old you think she is, I'd say 14 at the youngest, which means it depends on where you are in the world.

[goto124]

* May not reply with 'well, it's not her legality that we're worried about, but the morality of the situation, and her being barely of age makes the issue at least morally grey'.

[Rater202]

* May not reply with 'well, it's not her legality that we're worried about, but the morality of the situation, and her being barely of age makes the issue at least morally grey'.

**May not further point out that the question of weather or not Abyssal's can age mentally or emotionally and how long she's been an abyssal are also things we don't know but must consider.

[goto124]

*** May not mention one of my PCs, the 12-year-old girl who tried to go into a romantic relationship a year later.
**** Or that she died and became an undead at 14 years old, leaving her with an eternal appearance of a 14-year-old even when she can and will age mentally and emotionally (if at a slow rate).
***** Must mention she's from a world where people are considered adults at 12 years old.

[Rater202]

*** May not mention one of my PCs, the 12-year-old girl who tried to go into a romantic relationship a year later.

****May not one up that by pointing out that, as has been previously stated, I'm currently in a game where all of the PCs are 12 at the oldest and all of them are in romantic relationships.
*****Or that my PC and his boyfriend have shared a bed(innocently) on a semi-regular basis.
******It's not a contest.

For the sake of clarity, and not repeating drama from earlier, nothing more intimate than innocent cuddles has happened, one PC has made clear that they promised to abstain from anything more than cuddles for the foreseeable future, the same PC is taking the relationship slowly and steadily,,, other than the sleepovers(and ponies his age being involved innocently but romantically with other ponies there age is considered normal), the sleepovers happen the knowledge of the PC's parents and the NPCs father and only when a responsible adult is in the house, and another PC has "hickeys"categorized under "inappropriate behavior."

[goto124]

******It's not a contest.

******* May not start a different contest, by mentioning that the 14-year-old was killed by her crush.

[Anonymouswizard]

* May not reply with 'well, it's not her legality that we're worried about, but the morality of the situation, and her being barely of age makes the issue at least morally grey'.

** May not point out that moral will vary depending on the local 'is legal' and 'normally does it' age of the person deciding if it's moral.
*** Cannot declare that it's now immoral to sleep with anybody below 25.
*** No jokes about 12 year olds sneaking into Vatican City.


****May not one up that by pointing out that, as has been previously stated, I'm currently in a game where all of the PCs are 12 at the oldest and all of them are in romantic relationships.
*****Or that my PC and his boyfriend have shared a bed(innocently) on a semi-regular basis.

******* May not suggest that they get a cake.
******** Especially of the sexy variety.

* Ponies are more open-minded than humans, and have no problems with homosexuality, bisexuality, pansexuality, or asexuality.
** They definitely do not have a problem with heterosexuality.

[JAL_1138]

*May not yell "Taste the rainbow!" when casting prismatic anything.
**May not do so when rolling red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet d6es simultaneously for damage from the aforementioned prismatic-whatevers, either.
***Or when rolling d10s for Color Spray.
****Or when rolling any sufficiently large number of dice to have a full rainbow in there.
*****May not utter the phrase "taste the rainbow" for any reason whatsoever.

*May not spend half an hour arguing [edit: and/or geeking out] with the DM about basketball, football, or soccer while the rest of the group groans about how much they hate "sportsball."
**The rules and terminology of cricket do not cause psychic damage and/or SAN loss.
***Foosball is not a sport.
****May not build an extremely tanky character and attempt to turn every combat into a version of the Eton Wall Game.
*****If the aforesaid tank has a tendency to slam opponents against the wall face-first while doing so, may not make the lame pun "eatin' wall game."
******When hitting with Thunderous Smite (extra damage, push 10ft, knock prone) against a monster that has just hit the wizard, may not declare "Personal foul, roughing the caster, 10ft penalty, first down."

[noob]

* I may not do all the forbidden things gnomes does but with a goblin
** With an orc it is still forbidden
*** With a chicken it means that I should stop trying to annoy the gm.

[Deremir]

*If one of my players wants to have a child in game the appropriate answer is "your infertile" not "its on you"
**If one of my players gets pregnant in game may not hand wave it by having the child be born and grow up in the span of a day
***May not allow my players to switch out their characters for the other party members children that were literally born yesterday
****My players are not allowed to seduce the succubus for the express purpose of having a child with demonic powers
*****If my campaign becomes about a group of rapidly aging mutants trying to breed the most powerful, most template stacked race ever, rocks fall. everyone dies.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Cannot play someone from an alternate Old World where the End Times happened, a Daemon army marched up to the doors of the Empire, and immediately got massacred by masses troops with repeating rifles.
** Chaos is supposed to win because GW says so, it does not matter that before the end times the Empire was A) essentially winning against Chaos and B) less than a century away from starting an industrial revolution.
*** Cannot kill a Daemon Prince using massed rifle fire.

If I do get to play Gunhammer, I'm going to try and convince the GM to let me play an ex-daemonhunter engineer. It involves magic resistance and high stealth skills.

[TeChameleon]

No, Secret from Keychain of Creation

not if your two DBZ Androids with power levels far greater than any of the above. Aside from maaaaybe Yoko if she somehow gets access to enough of the TTGL.
Oh, The Most Secret And Sorrowful Of The Bearers Of The Endless Destiny Of All Creation Which Wander Amidst Forgotten Sights And Fallen Tears Along The Tread Of Ancient Ashen Footsteps Through The Shadow Of That Which Comes And Into That Riotous Cacophony Which Births All Fools And Steals All Beauty, Who Heralds Through Her Silence The Stillness And Chill Of Those Who Were Not Born And Who Will Fade ‘Till All Things Fall And In That Most Grim Harvest Form The Final Restful Tomb Of All Awakened Life And All The Sleepless Demesnes. Why didn't you say so? :smalltongue:

... although including an Abyssal Exalt in your Harem is just asking to go 'boom' via the wrath of the Neverborn. Who I'm preeeeetty sure outrank DBZ Androids on the Super Weight Scale. And for that matter, I'm not so sure that the DBZ characters are a good match for Exalts anyhow- they just function on different power scales.

Not power levels, necessarily- just that DBZ tends to be (relatively) straightforward. "I punch you so hard, your head explodes!" kind of dealie. Exalted, at least from the impression I've gotten, tends to be a little more... esoteric. Less head-explode, and more... "I punch you so hard, your grandmother explodes, and you undergo spontaneous existence failure." It's a tough comparison to make.

Also, if that's Ryuko from Tenchi Muyo (assuming I'm even remembering the name right >.O), are the later-game DBZ fighters that far out of her weight class? Honest question, I seem to remember Tenchi characters being up there on the planet-busting scale too, but it's been more than a few years since I saw the series.

* I may no longer derail things with random extremely weird vs. speculation
** I am no longer allowed access to plush toys in-game. It just gets creepy.

[Socksy]

* The Chicken-Infested Awakened Chicken commoner is not a valid character concept.

[Rater202]

And for that matter, I'm not so sure that the DBZ characters are a good match for Exalts anyhow- they just function on different power scales.

It depends on the Exalt. Sidearals are the more Esoteric ones(The meme is that a Sidereal Assassin gets up on you by manipulating fate so that he can hide in your morning cup of tea,then jumps out and punches you so hard you turn into a duck)

Solars,at least, when the writers understood that Solars are "Radiance and excellence" instead of "Automatically the best at everything." tend to be "Normal skills turned up to 11" at low levels and then the logical extreme of that a thigh levels(You're so good at swordsman ship that you can reach into your soul and conjure a sword from your essence."

Lunars were kinda all over the place. going by 3E spoilers,it's supposed to be "Super Human Attributes and Shape Shifting."

Abyssals are Solars primed for destruction and with Darkness and death Asthetics-ASolar charm gives you more health because you're really good at minimizing damage. An Abyssal charm gives you more health because **** it,you're a vampire, corpses don't feel pain, and you don't really need those organs anyway."

Infernals tend to be drawing on the themes and charms of the Yozi, so it depends on the infernal.

Dragoblood have elemental powers but are otherwise watered down Solars.

And Alchemicals are magical Cyborgs that turn into Giant robots and later Cities.\

So, in a DBZ comparison, it depends on the Exalt. A Solar or Abyssal is right in that same thematic space, and a Lunar could be if you squint.

Beyond that, DBZ does have the "Technically mortal but stronger than 99% of the Gods" thing in common with Exalted.

*The Bio-Android can not Exalt as a Solar.
**Even though he's already eaten the Demi-God who is the son of the local solar Deity.
***The Frieza-clansmen can not exalt as Lunars.
****Because we do not need to combine two kinds of Shape Shifting.
*****The Cyborgs can not exalt as Alchemicals
******Because that's not how it works.
*******The Majin can not Exalt as an Infernal.
********Because she's already a demonic eldritch abomination by shear virtue of being a Majin.
*********The Tuffle can not Exalt as Twilight Caste Solar.
**********Because he's dead.
***********The Saiyan going SSJ1 is not a Solar Exaltation
************The Bio-Android can not exalt as an Infernal or Abyssal either.
*************Nor will he Exalt as the Exigent of the God of Perfection.
**************The Tiger-Man can not Exalt as a Sidereal.
***************Because he's already a fate Ninja.
****************The Saiyan is not a Lunar, and her Ozaru form is neither her Sprit Shape nor her War Form.
*****************The Four-Armed Triclops is not the Exigent of the Goddess of Destruction.
******************Because that Goddess of Destruction doen'st operate in this universe.
*******************Beerus does not create Exigents.
********************Neither does Whis.
*********************Or Any of the Kaioshin.
**********************Or Kaio.
***********************Or any other Deities
************************The Pony we let Crossover is not the Exigent of Princess Celestia
*************************Gno Exalted in DBZ.

[DoctorFaust]

****** Must inform the GM that 'infinite creation of swords' is the Japanese name before I use it.

*******May not point out that I don't care, because Unlimited Blade Works sounds cooler.

*An Itano Circus is not a valid response to any and all tactical situations.
**Especially when squadmates are in the same general area as the enemies.
***Friendly fire should be much easier to differentiate from close air support.

[Lord Raziere]

Also, if that's Ryuko from Tenchi Muyo (assuming I'm even remembering the name right >.O), are the later-game DBZ fighters that far out of her weight class? Honest question, I seem to remember Tenchi characters being up there on the planet-busting scale too, but it's been more than a few years since I saw the series.


Wrong, I meant Ryuko from Kill La Kill, not Tenchi Muyo.

* May not try to make an Abyssal-inspired character to round out the DBZ party.
** May not point out that technically the Androids are already Modern Alchemicals

[JAL_1138]

*May not break the DM by asking what alignment the Ethical Fourier Transform (http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3831) is.

[Q'telun]

*An Itano Circus is not a valid response to any and all tactical situations.
**Especially when squadmates are in the same general area as the enemies.
***Friendly fire should be much easier to differentiate from close air support.

*I am not allowed to quote Schlock Mercenary to justify my actions
**I am no longer allowed to quote Schlock Mercenary.

[Rater202]

* May not try to make an Abyssal-inspired character to round out the DBZ party.

***I may not steal this Idea to make an undead-esque saiyan.
****I do not need to make a Saiyan just becuase I have PCs in the races of the other three Z arc Villains.
*****May not point out that the party doen'st have a namekian.
******Just because there's a Kaioshin of Heroes, a Kaioshin of Elites, and a Kaioshin of Berserkers, that doesn't mean I can make a Kaioshin of Sages or Warriors as a PC*.
*******Nor can I make a Makaioshin of any kind as a PC-As a villain maybe, but not as a PC.
********No, not a Makaioshin of Villains, Cheaters, or Serial Killers.
*********Nor a Makaioshin of Necromancy** or Makaioshin of Death Knights** to Oppose the Kaioshin of Sages or a Kaioshin of Warriors.
**********We should probably put an upper limit on how Many PCs each player can have.

*Actually thinking of doing something like this, to fill a gap that'll open later and round out my "rare races" list.
**You're welcome to either(as kaio or makaio) if you're serious about having an abyssal-esque PC

[Socksy]

*May not break the DM by asking what alignment the Ethical Fourier Transform (http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3831) is.

** Not allowed to play as any character from SMBC.

(I'd say it's LN.)

[JAL_1138]

** Not allowed to play as any character from SMBC.

(I'd say it's LN.)

The reason it's hard to pin down--
It's a principle that any ethical quandry can be run through to determine right and wrong, for certain definitions thereof, like utilitarianism or the categorical imperative (which resembles LG). It's trying to find the "good" answer rather than some kind of balance between good and evil or order for order's sake (thus not traditional types of neutral, on both the good-evil spectrum and lawful-chaotic spectrum). But, it's a somehow distasteful and impersonal method (pushing it away from Good, or possibly even to evil, since it focuses on economic principles rather than human worth, but probably not evil, since it's also concerned with minimizing harm to others, which sort of loops it back around to good), and finds answers that advocate lawbreaking in certain circumstances (pushing it toward neutral on the lawful-chaotic spectrum).

[Anonymouswizard]

* Can no longer measure casualties in Nuyen.
** Despite knowing the value of human life cannot admit it actually exists.

[noob]

* I should not make a mafia like universe in dnd.
** It is simply absurd to make it full of magic and to say that now true Resurrection is free thanks to a trick with staff of Resurrection and a luck feat and to living true Resurrection.
*** I should warn a little the player that he is going to make opponents in every family if he is a mercenary doing assassination missions.
**** The player at level 2 should not encounter a level 17 psion opponent even if he beat it.
***** Do you get xp from largely overwhelming odds you beat? is there is a maximum?
****** I should not plan to make it fight a troll half golem bard sublime chord even if it would totally make sense for it to be sent on an assassination mission against adventurers.
******* I should not gm with only one player because having a number of gm superior to the number of players is generally frown upon and less interesting.

[unseenmage]

* No more 3.0 Flying weapon enhancement on magic staffs that act like animated objects of their size.
** Especially not if I intend to hit them with Awaken Construct so they can use their own spells.
*** Extra especially if the Wish spell can make the Awakened versions from a single casting.

**** Super extra especially if my intention is to make Awakened Flying enhancement staffs with these spells in them to Gray Goo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo) the world into a mass of awakened animated objects that roams the galaxy in search of more material to "liberate".

[JAL_1138]

* Can no longer measure casualties in Nuyen.
** Despite knowing the value of human life cannot admit it actually exists.

***May not base the "value of human life" on the average jury awards and settlement payouts of wrongful-death cases over the past ten-year period, adjusted for inflation.

[Eldan]

***I can certainly not base the value of a human life on the amount of money invested into safety features on vehicles vs. percentage chance of lives saved.

[Princess]

***May not base the "value of human life" on the average jury awards and settlement payouts of wrongful-death cases over the past ten-year period, adjusted for inflation.

Sadly, it's pretty hard to get national and international values for those cases - but the maximum settlement for a wrongful death in the State of Kansas is USD 250k.

Also, most insurance companies value one year of 'quality' human life at $50k.

[Roderick_BR]

*May not break the DM by asking what alignment the Ethical Fourier Transform (http://smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3831) is.
** And may not break the player back by saying "it depends."

[DigoDragon]

* I am no longer allowed to do any action that may jeopardize my harem romcom privileges.



Also, most insurance companies value one year of 'quality' human life at $50k.

No wonder I'm grumpy on payday. :smalltongue:

[JAL_1138]

Sadly, it's pretty hard to get national and international values for those cases - but the maximum settlement for a wrongful death in the State of Kansas is USD 250k.

Also, most insurance companies value one year of 'quality' human life at $50k.

I used to do legal work for an insurance company (won't say which). I could just ask financial, if I was still with my old law firm.

[Wookieetank]

*Mad libs are not a valid form of character creation
**Not allowed to use them for quest creation either
***Campaign creation is right out.

*"It'd be funny" is no longer an excuse to do anything.
**"Because I can" is also likewise banned.

[Anonymouswizard]

*"It'd be funny" is no longer an excuse to do anything.
**"Because I can" is also likewise banned.

*** 'Compulsive Science' is no longer a flaw.

* Even if I can get a copy with the correct typo, my character cannot carry around 20 floors for more Character Points.

* The Street Samurai should not have the smallest Combat Pool of the group.
** The Decker should not have the largest.

* If playing a Mystic Adept I cannot spend all my Power Points on Enhanced Reflexes and Danger Sense, and then spend all my times flinging spells.
** Can no longer refer to Mystic Adepts as Jedi.
*** When somebody tries to use Jedi as their magical tradition I am to blame.

* Cannot play a Decker-Shaman.
** Even if I take the Geasa to balance out the magic loss.

* Cannot refer to Street Samurai as the 'Combat equivalent to the Hermetic Mage'.
** The Decker is not the Matrix equipment.
*** There is not a split between the archetypes of 'scientific' (Street Samuai-Decker-Mage) and 'mystic' (Adept-Otaku/Technomancer-Shaman)

[Corey]

* No character I build is allowed to have every skill in the game.
** Not even half of them.
*** Even if he has Double Eidetic Memory.
**** Which apparently is no longer a thing in the latest edition anyway.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Cannot play an entire party of Ambidextrous Fast Learners with Eidetic Memory.

Hasn't happened to me, but apparently a friend's uni group built such characters all the time.

* Cannot join any games where the players are inanimate objects come to life.
** Cannot play a lawn ornament.
*** GNO GNOMES!

[It Sat Rap]

* I'm not allowed to break the window inside a spaceship, in an attempt to kill the BBEG. (Killing myself and the plot, of course, too)

* I'm not allowed to shave my beard as a female dwarf.
** I'm not allowed to use perfume as a female dwarf.
*** I'm not allowed to speak with a female voice as a female dwarf.
**** I'm not allowed to play a female dwarf anymore because of reasons.

* I'm not allowed to create a wizard focused on invisibility spells.
** Or sleep spells.
*** Or blindness.
**** Or all of them.

[DigoDragon]

*Mad libs are not a valid form of character creation
**Not allowed to use them for quest creation either
***Campaign creation is right out.

I think this perfectly describes Skyrim's Radiant Quest system. :smallbiggrin:

[Taet]

*I am not supposed to run a tinker gnomes game with Fiasco no matter how much sense it makes.

*My simsense must be in sync.
*I should not empty and refill the shared fridge "like a kender".
*Not to jump into a drone just to scratch that spot on my back I cannot reach otherwise.

[JAL_1138]

*If my bard passes 20th level and ascends to godhood, must keep the same spoony-bard personality and not interfere with the mortal world except through clerics.
**Even if the other gods have avatars running around everywhere.
***May not manifest an avatar and use it to stake off an unclaimed area of uninhabited wildnerness and establish a new country.
****May not assist the sick (who will be healed), the disabled (who will be healed), the poor, the oppressed, the outcast, and the otherwise-marginalized of various regions in immigrating there to form the base of the population.
*****May not use the divine abilities of my avatar and the clerics and paladins who follow me to ensure that this new country is as free of sickness, poverty, hunger, ignorance, prejudice, war, oppression, injustice, crime, and needless toil as possible without "going too far" and unduly restricting personal liberty.
******May not make the other good-aligned gods look like the bunch of lazy gorram slackers they are.

[noob]

******* May not make the above user remark that there is a hidden rule which does that for each divine rank you have you must become 10 times more lazy and that it is for this reason that there is people who goes crazily far into epic while never taking any divine rank.
******** May never ever speak of the spell who makes an ally come and help you for the fitting pay for mass healing with one angel who can cast remove disease at will.
*********No traps summoning normal djinn making them cast create food even if it can be created.

[Cazero]

*creating an evil animal trickster god dedicated to making paladins fall is bad form
**calling it 'the Goat Shah, king of all goats' is right out

[Anonymouswizard]

* If I cause the singularity I will take responsibility for it.

[Rater202]

*I may not arbitrarily declare that my character is a nascent goddess because her (X greats) grandfather is the good half of an eldritch abomination that once ate a pair of deities and absorbed their power.
**Not even if that's canon.

[Milodiah]

*Even if I am an Imperial Guardsman, not allowed to sum up the battleplan as "have more men than the enemy has bullets".
**Especially not allowed to point this out in front of the commissar, as morale damage is a *blam*able offense.
***Certainly should avoid accusing the commissar of going soft if he fails to *blam* me for saying so.
****Definitely should not work in "frequently rude to Commissars, Inquisitors, and Marines" in my backstory, as this will cause the character to retroactively have had died, and the GM doesn't want that kind of time-travel-tense-trouble stress in his life.

[Anonymouswizard]

*Even if I am an Imperial Guardsman, not allowed to sum up the battleplan as "have more men than the enemy has bullets".

** 'We get out of the trenches and walk very slowly towards the enemy' is also banned.
*** It is not the last eighteen plans.
**** It will not surprise the enemy.

[Socratov]

** 'We get out of the trenches and walk very slowly towards the enemy' is also banned.
*** It is not the last eighteen plans.
**** It will not surprise the enemy.

*****I may no longer use a disguise consisting of briefs on my head, pencils in my nose and frequently saying the word "Wobble" to feign insanity.
******Especially if it's been pointed out as a tactic by the highest ranking officer presidin gover my fate.

[JAL_1138]

** 'We get out of the trenches and walk very slowly towards the enemy' is also banned.
*** It is not the last eighteen plans.
**** It will not surprise the enemy.

"It worked from the days of Sparta up through the reign of King George the Fifth!" is not a justification for this tactic.

[Rater202]

*I am forbidden from becoming a god before I achieve my super mode.

[Lord Raziere]

* My character who has forced to become a killer cyborg by a mad scientist and experienced a dark near-apocalyptic future cannot-or at least should not- be more idealistic and concerned about responsible use of power than the magical pony from the land of friendship and rainbows.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Despite precedent, the person with a -4 INT modifier should not come up with the cunning plans.

* Cannot refuse to let a fellow PC onto my dropship until he signs for and removed his paperwork.
** If the party includes a police officer I should not be playing a smuggler.
*** Cannot get the police officer to sign an agreement before his 'mech is 'accidentally' damaged in transit.

* Cannot point out that a 'mech's fusion reactor would not explode if destroyed.
** Cannot use an electrolaser to fry all the transistors in a 'mech
*** Especially if I'm encased in enough rubber that this doesn't actually kill me.

[JAL_1138]

*Dwarves do not get a level of exhaustion from being sober.
**Dwarven torture does not consist exclusively of being made to watch someone pour alcoholic beverages down a drain, in a river, on the ground, etc.

[DigoDragon]

*Dwarven torture does not consist exclusively of being made to watch someone pour alcoholic beverages down a drain, in a river, on the ground, etc.

The one time I played a dwarf, this actually happened. XD

Damn Red Wizards.

[GPuzzle]

*No longer allowed to challenge the BBEG to a rap battle.
**The rest of the party is not allowed to join in.

[JAL_1138]

The one time I played a dwarf, this actually happened. XD

Damn Red Wizards.

:smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin::smallbiggrin:

Do they have no mercy!? No compassion?! No decency?!

[Wookieetank]

*Dwarves do not get a level of exhaustion from being sober.
**Dwarven torture does not consist exclusively of being made to watch someone pour alcoholic beverages down a drain, in a river, on the ground, etc.

*Sheds a lone Dwarfy tear*

*When playing a non-elf, not to blame everything on the elves.
**Even if the elven party member is the most suspiciously shady SOB you've ever seen.
***While dwarfy, trying to get the other races to exterminate the elves as a solution to the world threatening disaster is poor form.

[illyahr]

*Sheds a lone Dwarfy tear*

*When playing a non-elf, not to blame everything on the elves.

**Especially not to do this if playing an elf.

[JAL_1138]

**Especially not to do this if playing an elf.

***Even if the way I'm playing the aforesaid elf makes it completely true.

[Anonymouswizard]

*When playing a non-elf, not to blame everything on the elves.

** Elves are not always up to something.
*** I cannot tell the elf to return the baby to the orphanage.
**** This goes double if the elf is a simsense star.

[Dexam]

* My character who has forced to become a killer cyborg by a mad scientist and experienced a dark near-apocalyptic future cannot-or at least should not- be more idealistic and concerned about responsible use of power than the magical pony from the land of friendship and rainbows.
** Unless that pony is The Great and Powerful Trixie, in which case all bets are off.

[JAL_1138]

*My bard does not know how to play "We're Not Gonna Take It."
**Especially not for every single defensive buff that causes an attack to fizzle, miss, or otherwise not affect us.

*Fighters are not legally required to speak in bad fake Russian accents.
**Fencing rogues and Dex-based fighters are not legally required to imitate Inigo Montoya's pseudo-Spanish accent.

*My rapier-wielding noble-background rogue does not have to carve the first letter of his name into people he defeats but doesn't kill.
**The character is vetoed if he's clearly Zorro.

*If my character shows up in half-plate, wielding a maul, and speaking with a heavy Russian accent, he had better not be a bard.
**Cossack dancing is prohibited.

[Rater202]

** Unless that pony is The Great and Powerful Trixie, in which case all bets are off.

***Trixie has not been born yet in this campaign.
****We're not allowed to go to Equestria.
*****The Bio-Android cannot ask Princess Celestia for a blood sample.
******The Majin is not to have any contact with Discord under any circumstances.

[goto124]

***Trixie has not been born yet in this campaign.

**** May not suggest that Trixie uses time travel.


**Fencing rogues and Dex-based fighters are not legally required to imitate Inigo Montoya's pseudo-Spanish accent.

*** My Dex-based swordsmaster elf may not not complain that 'I'm not even remotely upset if my dad died! I want my dad dead!'

[JohnTheSavage]

**** May not suggest that Trixie uses time travel.


***** May not point out that if we wanted Trixie, we could just use our time machine to go get her.
****** We've been causing enough trouble for the Time Patrol already.

[Milodiah]

*No recursive juggling.

That is all.

[Rater202]

***** May not point out that if we wanted Trixie, we could just use our time machine to go get her.
****** We've been causing enough trouble for the Time Patrol already.

*******May not point out that our Time Machine has no juice.
********I can not give the Kai of the Sun Spoilers about what's going to happen when Majin Buu is revived.
*********Just because I'm following the strict canon, that doen'st mean I can have my Majin be in complete denial about the idea that he ancestor was ever evil.
**********Even though technically he wasn't, since Good Buu is a seperate entity from the original Majin Buu.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Cannot make sleepers awaken by giving them a red pill.

* It is my fault if my decking destroys the corporate court.
** Cannot destroy a megacorporation by accident.
*** Especially if I'm actually a hermetic mage.

[JAL_1138]

*** My Dex-based swordsmaster elf may not not complain that 'I'm not even remotely upset if my dad died! I want my dad dead!'

****Goliath fighters (Tavern Brawler style) and/or monks are not legally required to speak with a French accent in the deepest baritone imaginable, with a slight r=w impediment.

[noob]

* Players are sentient and not mindless machines of destruction made by the creator of the game.
** Players still want to kill everything they meet even if you told them that they would loose 1 level for each person they kill.
*** I should not expect the players to not kill everyone into a city and plunder its wealth even If I put kehpri as a town guard and other TO builds to defend the city.
**** Players are sentient only when they want to find new ways to destroy and torture souls.
***** I should not just make one time a world with nobody other than the players just for seeing if they start killing each other just for the thrill of killing.
****** Because they do.

[DigoDragon]

***Trixie has not been born yet in this campaign.

**** May not suggest that Trixie uses time travel.

***** May not point out that if we wanted Trixie, we could just use our time machine to go get her.

* I am no longer allowed to take notes from this thread for my next character concept.
** Also cannot defend my idea with the fact that I already did play Trixie once as a dimensional hopper.
*** Banned from using Doctor Who as the thesis for why Time and Space are just "relative dimensions".

[goto124]

**** May not ask why Digo seems to like Trixie so much.

[DigoDragon]

* May not ask why Digo seems to like Trixie so much.

Because Diplomatic Ham is my favorite alignment. :smallbiggrin:

[Strigon]

****Goliath fighters (Tavern Brawler style) and/or monks are not legally required to speak with a French accent in the deepest baritone imaginable, with a slight r=w impediment.

***** Clerics, though, above the age of 60, must speak in a nasally voice and find a suitably witch-like wife to settle down with.

[JAL_1138]

*** Banned from using Doctor Who as the thesis for why Time and Space are just "relative dimensions".

****May not just use Einstein instead. Two lightning-bolts hitting a rail, etc., etc., so on and so forth.

[JAL_1138]

***** Clerics, though, above the age of 60, must speak in a nasally voice and find a suitably witch-like wife to settle down with.

******They are not also required to keep a Cloak of Fire Resistance just laying around in case an adventurer needs to set themselves on fire.
*******The only alternative is not that they must begin speaking with a speech impediment and pewfowming woyal mawwiages.

[Bard1cKnowledge]

*May not abandon my mount mid air to tame a manticore
**May not ride said manticore into battle
***May not name him Manny the Manticore Mount, and go on many monumental adventures with him

[JAL_1138]

*May not invent the parachute.
**The parachute should not be steam-powered and weigh 400lbs.
***Gno gnomes!

[Wookieetank]

*May not invent the parachute.
**The parachute should not be steam-powered and weigh 400lbs.
***Gno gnomes!

**.a Cannot argue that a hot air balloon is a "powered" parachute.

[JAL_1138]

**.a Cannot argue that a hot air balloon is a "powered" parachute.

*****Cannot invent the hot-air balloon.
******The bard is not a limitless fuel supply.
*******Nor is the wizard, even though he actually has a fire cantrip and they're at-wills in this edition.
********Cannot turn it into an airship with a very large hamster-wheel attached to a propeller via an axle and a series of gears.
*********In the absence of a Giant Space Hamster to power the hamster wheel, the Fighter is not a suitable replacement.
**********GNO GNOMES!

[Lord Torath]

******The bard is not a limitless fuel supply of hot air.Fixed that for you! :smallwink:

[Anonymouswizard]

* If my character was ex-Lone Star I should not be the best at hacking.

[JAL_1138]

Fixed that for you! :smallwink:

https://i.imgur.com/utzTCyo.png

[Rater202]

*I can not play American Pie on a single tambourine.
**I can not use my magic to force others into a cosplay party.
***Forcing others into costumes of my choice is not a cosplay party.

[Anonymouswizard]

*I can not play American Pie on a single tambourine.

** The same goes for on a yellow submarine.

* 'Hawk-kestrel man hoovers in the dark' is not a valid bard concept.

[DCraw]

* Any plan that involves the phrase "Deathstar a planet" is vetoed.
** No, "It's not quite enough to Deathstar a planet, but" is not any better.
*** This goes for any plan that involves using the word 'Deathstar' as a verb.

[Rater202]

*I can not go ask a planet's local god for a favor.
**Because instead of saying he can't do it, he'll just be a jackass about it,pretend he can, ask why I haven't killed myself if you need to talk to (other god) so badly,then pretend he's going to destroy the planet in order to trick me into flying into an attack.
***My reasons for asking him this favor can not boil down to "Because I don't feel like flying all the way to the sun and ask (Third god) for the favor, and honestly, I respect him too much want to inconvenience him."
****May not then clarify that it's not like the local god is actually doing his job in the first place.

[Draconium]

* Should my plan ever involve the words "dragon," "steal," "ride," "lots of fire," and "rule the kingdom," it will automatically be vetoed by the DM.
** If I am the DM in a similar situation, the players gain the right to veto.
*** Still not allowed if it involves "dragons," "summon," "cult," and "Tiamat."
**** I am not allowed to come up with plans anymore.
***** No, I may not convince the other players to use a plan involving "gladiator battles, but with dragons."
****** Dragons are officially my gnomes. :smallannoyed:

[Socksy]

****** Dragons are officially my gnomes. :smallannoyed:

Mine too :smallfrown:

*Just because the book says it's CR2, doesn't mean it's really CR2 if it has ability drain, flight, trip, and a +15 to Hide.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Just because I can make nuclear weapons doesn't mean I should.
** Cannot cause the apocalypse before we develop hot air balloons doesn't mean it's a good idea.
*** Generic Neurological Obsessively Methologically Efficient Science (GNOMES) is no longer a derrangement.
**** Can no longer make up derrangements.

[elonin]

Not allowed to burn down a village to get to the vampire that supposedly is there.

[JAL_1138]

*If the DM asks "who's got point?" the answer should not be the bard.
**The bard should not have the highest AC in a group with a ranger, a paladin, and a cleric.

[Rater202]

*After being yelled out for going to try and extort a favor from God instead of finding the dragon ball on an island with the birds, and complaining that it'd take days to find, I may not find it easily.
**I may not drop the ball in front of the yeller and explain how difficult it was to get it in such a short amount of time without hurting the bird for the purposes of guilt tripping them.

[JAL_1138]

*Cannot take the flaw "Addiction: Branston Pickle."
**Even if the character is British.
***May not attempt to justify it by asking "Once you've had the stuff, can you seriously imagine eating a cheese sandwich without it?"

[Anonymouswizard]

*Cannot take the flaw "Addiction: Branston Pickle."
**Even if the character is British.
***May not attempt to justify it by asking "Once you've had the stuff, can you seriously imagine eating a cheese sandwich without it?"

* Said addiction is not part of the British racial template.
** The NHS isn't either.
*** Or Natural Pancea: Tea.
**** Yes, we do get a rank in Perform: Sarcasm.
***** Americans do not get a free semiautomatic pistol.

[JAL_1138]

*****The American racial template does not include "Expensive Medicine: costs of healing items and services are tripled. If the costs would ordinarily be paid by some other organization, the character pays them."

[Milodiah]

*****The American racial template does not include "Expensive Medicine: costs of healing items and services are tripled. If the costs would ordinarily be paid by some other organization, the character pays them."

******Americans do not lose 1000 gold per Skill Rank taken in a formal field of study.
*******My share of the loot will not be put forward to pay off student loans.
********Not allowed to realize I actually kind of have a ****ty template...

[Anonymouswizard]

* I do not need to point out that Britain has over 1000 varieties of cheese. Even if it is true.
** Cannot use Stinking Bishop to lure hungry Englishmen towards me for any reason.
*** I'm lactose intolerant, I can't know that much about cheese and how it tastes.
**** Even if there is real life precedent.
***** Even if I am the real life precedent.
****** Cannot use the host's bathroom if I've been to the cheese shop.

[Rater202]

Starting to get political here. That's a no no.

*May not accidentally create a Super Mode that will make the king of the gods piss himself if he senses my power while I use it.

[FlumphPaladin]

****** Dragons are officially my gnomes. :smallannoyed:

Dro dragons?

Doesn't quite have the same ring...:smallfrown:

[JAL_1138]

*Not allowed to refer to the law stating bourbon must be aged in new barrels to legally qualify as bourbon and then point out that Scotch frequently employs previously-used bourbon barrels and adds artificial coloring as proof of bourbon's superiority.
**May not question why Tennessee is so proud of the fact that they pour perfectly-serviceable bourbon through the crud at the bottom of a barbecue grill before they bottle it
***May not claim that since September is National Bourbon Heritage Month that it is my patriotic duty to show up to the game completely sozzled on Blanton's Single-Barrel

[Princess]

* Said addiction is not part of the British racial template.
** The NHS isn't either.
*** Or Natural Pancea: Tea.
**** Yes, we do get a rank in Perform: Sarcasm.
***** Americans do not get a free semiautomatic pistol.

Nope, because everyone knows Americans start with a magnum revolver as regional bonus equipment.


* I do not need to point out that Britain has over 1000 varieties of cheese. Even if it is true.
** Cannot use Stinking Bishop to lure hungry Englishmen towards me for any reason.
*** I'm lactose intolerant, I can't know that much about cheese and how it tastes.
**** Even if there is real life precedent.
***** Even if I am the real life precedent.
****** Cannot use the host's bathroom if I've been to the cheese shop.

Many British cheeses are actually perfectly suitable for consumption by the lactose-intolerant due to the cheese-making process consuming all of the lactose. Some people think they're lactose-intolerant when they actually have an allergy, which is entirely different.

[JAL_1138]

*Dwarven cheeses are not primarily made for use as actual wheels, or as shields in a pinch, rather than as a foodstuff.

[Anonymouswizard]

Many British cheeses are actually perfectly suitable for consumption by the lactose-intolerant due to the cheese-making process consuming all of the lactose. Some people think they're lactose-intolerant when they actually have an allergy, which is entirely different.

You don't happen to have a list? I love cheese and live in Britain.

Also, I'm pretty sure I'm lactose intolerant, I also have a wheat one. It's definitely not an allergy.


*Dwarven cheeses are not primarily made for use as actual wheels, or as shields in a pinch, rather than as a foodstuff.

** Dwarven militia are not armed with cheese and bread rolls.
*** If we are ever fighting an enemy armed with cheese rolls I am to increase the seriousness of the campaign.

[Draconium]

Dro dragons?

Doesn't quite have the same ring...:smallfrown:

Unfortunately not... Gno Gnomes is so much better, but I haven't gotten in trouble playing as a gnome. Yet...

*May not theorize that the reason dwarves drink so much alcohol is to help their less-than-stellar food go down easier.

[Wookieetank]

Unfortunately not... Gno Gnomes is so much better, but I haven't gotten in trouble playing as a gnome. Yet...

*May not theorize that the reason dwarves drink so much alcohol is to help their less-than-stellar food go down easier.

**Not to point out that it is for liver strengthening exercises. :smallwink:

[Draconium]

**Not to point out that it is for liver strengthening exercises. :smallwink:

***Why not both? :smalltongue:

[JAL_1138]

** Dwarven militia are not armed with cheese and bread rolls.
*** If we are ever fighting an enemy armed with cheese rolls I am to increase the seriousness of the campaign.
****Unless it's Discworld.


*May not theorize that the reason dwarves drink so much alcohol is to help their less-than-stellar food go down easier.
**Nonsense, Dorfs are legendary cooks. Who else can cook finely-minced BEER? And even mince an alcoholic beverage in the first place?

[Rater202]

*The OOC thread can not be derailed into a discussion of whether or not our PCs could defeat Discord.

[Anonymouswizard]

* The Rigger does not have to spend the entire game in their van.
** If 'code orange' is code for the street samurai going to work, 'code red' should not mean 'I hope the Rigger's van has machine guns installed
*** If playing a rigger I am expected to buy drones, not a pair of vans and lots of bikes.
**** I should not be able to fit everybody's fully tooled-up combat bikes in my combat van.
***** May never again utter the words 'turbocharged high performance combat dodge scoot'.

[JAL_1138]

* The Rigger does not have to spend the entire game in their van.
** If 'code orange' is code for the street samurai going to work, 'code red' should not mean 'I hope the Rigger's van has machine guns installed

***May not bellow "DID YOU ORDER THE CODE RED!?" every time anyone says "Code Red."


*** If playing a rigger I am expected to buy drones, not a pair of vans and lots of bikes.

****There is more to assassination than a remote-controlled van full of fertilizer and diesel.
*****Even if it's worked flawlessly the past five times.
******There is more to investigation in Call of Cthulhu than a radio-controlled truck full of fertilizer and diesel.
*******Even if it's saved the world five times in a row.


***** May never again utter the words 'turbocharged high performance combat dodge scoot'.

******May not cite real-world precedent for combat scooters:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3e/Vespa_militare2.JPG/800px-Vespa_militare2.JPG The Vespa 150 TAP. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vespa_150_TAP)

[DigoDragon]

*May not cite real-world precedent for combat scooters:

Well... firing that cannon directly off the scooter must be an interesting event to watch. Probably preceded by "Hey, watch this!"

[FlumphPaladin]

Nonsense, Dorfs are legendary cooks. Who else can cook finely-minced BEER? And even mince an alcoholic beverage in the first place?

Now I know what the lute-playing bard in your avatar is playing, JAL_1138! The mystery is solved!

[Lord Raziere]

* Cannot take credit for creating the parallel universe that I am in
** Even though it was another player who suggested the theory, even if it makes sense.
*** Even if its technically true.

[JAL_1138]

Now I know what the lute-playing bard in your avatar is playing, JAL_1138! The mystery is solved!

'Tis just one of the default avatars, chosen due to a propensity to play bards. :smallsmile:

I'm certain the DF theme wasn't so much composed as it was noodled. It's too strange and meandering to have been written out much ahead of time--not that that's a bad thing. Alas, I'm not good enough at fingerstyle-guitar to play it IRL.

[JAL_1138]

Well... firing that cannon directly off the scooter must be an interesting event to watch. Probably preceded by "Hey, watch this!"

Granted, it was intended to be removed and set on a tripod, but that probably didn't stop the French paratroopers from just pointing the scooter at the target. As a recoilless rifle, the gun probably wouldn't be that bad to fire from the scooter unless the venting gases set something on fire (edit: or didn't have sufficient venting for the backblast when mounted to the scooter to let the pressure dissipate, causing recoil).

[Anonymouswizard]

* May not ask for theoretical but possible devices in a '10 years from now' campaign.
** Cannot complain when the GM drops something more advanced into our lap (suppressor for a gattling gun that worked as a movie silencer)
*** Cannot get annoyed when the GM breaks the laws of physics.
**** Even if it means the gun-focused party is forced into melee after one action.
***** Even if his reasoning for banning railguns stems from not understanding them.
****** Even if 'because aliens' is the worst reason ever for breaking the laws of physics.

* Cybernetic augmentation is not extremely common in the future.
** Especially if armour is rare and a single shot will kill most humans.
* Netrunning should not require a player to build a custom deck or go home.
* I may no longer design my own cyberpunk worlds.

[FlumphPaladin]

unless the venting gases set something on fire.

This improper-weapon-use-with-predictable-results idea reminds me of Imperial Japan's "knee mortar." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_89_grenade_discharger) When the Americans captured one and wanted to try it out, the story goes, they thought of the name and so got down on one knee, set the launcher's ergonomically-curved foot on their thigh, dropped a grenade in...

...and instantly got a shattered femur because the mortar was supposed to go on the ground.

[DigoDragon]

As a recoilless rifle, the gun probably wouldn't be that bad to fire from the scooter

In Theory. :smallbiggrin:


* Not allowed to experiment with this (or any scooter mounted cannon) theory.

[JAL_1138]

* May not ask for theoretical but possible devices in a '10 years from now' campaign.
** Cannot complain when the GM drops something more advanced into our lap (suppressor for a gattling gun that worked as a movie silencer)
*** Cannot get annoyed when the GM breaks the laws of physics.
**** Even if it means the gun-focused party is forced into melee after one action.
***** Even if his reasoning for banning railguns stems from not understanding them.
****** Even if 'because aliens' is the worst reason ever for breaking the laws of physics.

* Cybernetic augmentation is not extremely common in the future.
** Especially if armour is rare and a single shot will kill most humans.
* Netrunning should not require a player to build a custom deck or go home.
* I may no longer design my own cyberpunk worlds.

Railguns aren't theoretical. The US Navy has multiple working prototypes, although the kinks haven't been completely ironed out. (EDIT: The kinks have to do with durability, reliability, safety, and cost, not whether they fire at all. They do that part fine, at least for the first few shots.)

[Rater202]

* Cannot take credit for creating the parallel universe that I am in
** Even though it was another player who suggested the theory, even if it makes sense.
*** Even if its technically true.

****May not point out that that's not necessarily how Time Travel via Portal works.
*****Or how we'd kinda been working on the assumption that it was an alternate timeline to begin with.

[Anonymouswizard]

Railguns aren't theoretical. The US Navy has multiple working prototypes, although the kinks haven't been completely ironed out. (EDIT: The kinks have to do with durability, reliability, safety, and cost, not whether they fire at all. They do that part fine, at least for the first few shots.)

Effective MP railguns are as good as theoretical, but vehicular ones are all worked out with just the kinks left. The difference is to do with power supplies, I expect it to be solved.

This is exactly why I wanted to build a MP railgun, but apparently those are WMDs, not things my friends have built in a shed. I just wanted to up it to zombie-killing velocity using future power supplies.

I tried to get an MP railgun under a different GM running a modern game. He pointed out that my character can legally carry an assualt rifle on the job, which would be better than a railgun. He would also come up with decent reasons to deny me coilguns if I ever play a science fiction game with him.

[JAL_1138]

Effective MP railguns are as good as theoretical, but vehicular ones are all worked out with just the kinks left. The difference is to do with power supplies, I expect it to be solved.

This is exactly why I wanted to build a MP railgun, but apparently those are WMDs, not things my friends have built in a shed. I just wanted to up it to zombie-killing velocity using future power supplies.

I tried to get an MP railgun under a different GM running a modern game. He pointed out that my character can legally carry an assualt rifle on the job, which would be better than a railgun. He would also come up with decent reasons to deny me coilguns if I ever play a science fiction game with him.

WMD, no. Probably closer to anti-tank or bunker-buster, afaik.

MP coilguns, aside from being relatively pointless if you've got an assault rifle (essentially an overcomplicated solution to an already-solved non-problem), are already being made by hobbyists with velocities comparable to ultra-high-power airguns (which still have very low power compared to even weak firearms). (EDIT: unless you mean for use as a mortar-launcher rather than small-arms, in which case they could be pretty nifty--no propellant charge, thus faster ROF, and potentially better range due to the way the shell accelerates in the barrel)

[Princess]

Railguns aren't theoretical. The US Navy has multiple working prototypes, although the kinks haven't been completely ironed out. (EDIT: The kinks have to do with durability, reliability, safety, and cost, not whether they fire at all. They do that part fine, at least for the first few shots.)

And the US Army has a heat ray. There are some straight-up cartoon villain-style mad scientists working in military R&D.

[JAL_1138]

And the US Army has a heat ray. There are some straight-up cartoon villain-style mad scientists working in military R&D.

And the Air Force has a laser that's been used in tests to shoot down ballistic missiles.

EDIT: For the Army heat ray, did you mean the infrared laser or the microwave pain-ray?

[braveheart]

*May not use 5th edition conjugation wizard tricks to create a carjack to overcome lifting strength checks
**cannot conjure up a small jigsaw
*** nor a powered drill
****cannot conjure up a cubic foot of pure sodium in the BBEG's koi pond
*****thing I conjure do not posses chemical properties
******cannot conjure a dagger inside the BBEG's lungs
*******anything I conjure appears in my hand
********cannot sell a conjured dagger as though it were magical
*********cannot repeat that process at every store I visit until the town guard is called, then teleport away
**********I cannot play a conjugation wizard
-Edit-
***********nor a conjuration wizard

[DigoDragon]

* I cannot play a conjugation wizard

** Banning aspects of grammar is probably a bad idea.
*** Kelsey Grammer has nothing to do with this.

[Wookieetank]

** Banning aspects of grammar is probably a bad idea.
*** Kelsey Grammer has nothing to do with this.

****May not use 'Verbing Noun' as my character's name.
*****'Classified' is also out.

[Anonymouswizard]

****May not use 'Verbing Noun' as my character's name.
*****'Classified' is also out.

****** [Redacted] is not Classified's partner.

[DigoDragon]

****** [Redacted] is not Classified's partner.

******* Want Ad is not Classified's alternate identity.

[One Tin Soldier]

And the Air Force has a laser that's been used in tests to shoot down ballistic missiles.

EDIT: For the Army heat ray, did you mean the infrared laser or the microwave pain-ray?

*No longer allowed to reference the existence of a real microwave pain ray.

[JAL_1138]

******* Want Ad is not Classified's alternate identity.

********[Expletive Deleted] is right out.

[Socratov]

Dro dragons?

Doesn't quite have the same ring...:smallfrown:

Luckily Gno Gnagons does the job...

[Anonymouswizard]

Luckily Gno Gnagons does the job...

* Cannot crossbreed gnomes and dragons.
** I can cross 'mad biologist' of the list of character types I can play.

Do we want Gno Gnomes or Gno Gnagons for the next thread?

[Draconium]

* Cannot crossbreed gnomes and dragons.
** I can cross 'mad biologist' of the list of character types I can play.

Do we want Gno Gnomes or Gno Gnagons for the next thread?

Gno Gnomes remains my vote. And the half-dragon template does exist...

[Wookieetank]

********[Expletive Deleted] is right out.

*********[Data_Expunged] is not the party leader.

[Socratov]

*********[Data_Expunged] is not the party leader.

**********[404-name not found] is hwere my DM draws the line. I may no longer play until I can come up with names normal for a fantasy setting.
***********Even if we're playing Eberron
************Especially if we're playing Eberron

[JAL_1138]

**********[404-name not found] is hwere my DM draws the line. I may no longer play until I can come up with names normal for a fantasy setting.
***********Even if we're playing Eberron
************Especially if we're playing Eberron

*************[FNORD] is neither a Discordian cleric nor an Illuminati agent.

[noob]

**************I should not track the chain which was continued with the previous post and remark it lost its base tracks since eons.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Under no circumstances am I to utter the words 'My Little Waitrose, Shopping is Magic'.
** Especially if nobody else in the group has ever used a Little Waitrose.

[Rater202]

*Gno is not a gnomish subrace.

[Wookieetank]

*Gno is not a gnomish subrace.

**Gneither are Gnolls.

[Draconium]

*Gno is not a gnomish subrace.

**Gno, gnot evegn thegn.

[Anonymouswizard]

* The four Gnomish subraces are not Tinker Gnomes, Tailor Gnomes, Soldier Gnomes, and Spy Gnomes.

[TheTeaMustFlow]

**Gno, gnot evegn thegn.

*** And don't even think of mentioning the Gnu.

[DigoDragon]

* The four Gnomish subraces are not Tinker Gnomes, Tailor Gnomes, Soldier Gnomes, and Spy Gnomes.

What about Garden Gnomes?

[FlumphPaladin]

* Gno Gnagons cannot be my illusionist's name.

[JAL_1138]

What about Garden Gnomes?

*May not respond to any mention of lawn gnomes or garden gnomes by bellowing "AIR 'E MUCKLE-DARNED CULTISTS BE KEEPIN' ME WEE MEN?!"

[unseenmage]

* Weaving 'gn' soundsint o each word in a sentence does not constitute a gnomish language.
** We're not calling it Pign Latign.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Cannot record my damage in binary.
** Despite the fact that they technically exist, cannot use logic gates that understand 'yes', 'no', and 'hello no'.
*** Cannot build a more powerful computer than the best in existence.
**** Cleverness will not get me more processing power than the universe.
* Even if I can destroy the universe as a swift action, I may only do so once per round.

[Loxagn]

*Not allowed to theorize on whether nuclear radiation would have the same effect as sunlight on vampires.
**Most certainly not allowed to test the above theory. Not in a populated area, at any rate.

*Bad form to resolve several books' worth of plot by catching Pettigrew and blowing up two Horcruxes. In one session.

*Not allowed to throw the encounter balance completely off the rails by just telling all the Sailor Scouts we're here to kill Beryl and guilt-tripping them into helping. All of them.

*Even if this is the Hellsing world, probably bad form to start firing plasma weapons in St. Peter's Basilica.

*Even if nobody in the party is in-character familiar with Nick Fury, we can generally assume that he is not going to appreciate a wizard, a pterosaur-riding Halfling, several pokemon, and three men in varying states of 'heavily armed' suddenly appearing out of nowhere on the helicarrier.

[JAL_1138]

*The lich's phylactery must be an easily-located, obviously-magical item and not a small pebble Nystul'd and thrown down a disused mineshaft thirty miles from his lair.

[Strigon]

*Not allowed to theorize on whether nuclear radiation would have the same effect as sunlight on vampires.

I don't see why it would; the two types of radiation are completely unrelated.
Although, the effects of X-rays and gamma rays would be interesting to test...

[Loxagn]

I don't see why it would; the two types of radiation are completely unrelated.
Although, the effects of X-rays and gamma rays would be interesting to test...

The player who came up with the idea was basing it off of how they're both the product of nuclear reactions. I did point out fission vs fusion and different types of radiation, but it was eventually decided that the point was moot as most things die when they take a nuka-grenade to the face anyway.

From an entirely different campaign:

*Yes, the DM has a weakness for cute things. Yes, I am allowed to play an anthropomorphic otter. And yes, the DM does recognize this blatant attempt to skew their rulings in my favor.
**No, this does not diminish the effects of weapons-grade adorable

[Italian Hippy]

* I am never, ever allowed to play a Kender Handler again.
** Especially, said Kender cannot have 420% in Pick Pockets (2nd ed.)
*** I am not allowed to force the party wizard to roll a d% every time she casts a spell to check if she still has the material components on her, as opposed to them being in one of my bags.
**** I am especially not allowed to be the one who says the score she has to beat on the d%, based on how interesting the material component in question is.
***** If the party finds a "ring with three rubies set in it", showing a strong magical aura, in a dragon's hoard, I am not to be allowed within 100m of it.
****** No, not even with 420% in Pick Pockets.
******* Even if wasting all the three Wishes on "some milk and mint", "some cookies to dunk in it" and "hey, I wanted CHOCOLATE CHIP cookies" might sound funny, I am not allowed to do it ever, EVER again.
******** Bonus XP for good roleplaying is meaningless when the party wizard is casting Meteor Swarm on you.
********* Thrice.

[TheTeaMustFlow]

*Even if nobody in the party is in-character familiar with Nick Fury, we can generally assume that he is not going to appreciate a wizard, a pterosaur-riding Halfling, several pokemon, and three men in varying states of 'heavily armed' suddenly appearing out of nowhere on the helicarrier.

** Comparisons between said group and his own pet flying monkeys adventuring party are not appreciated, in or out of character.
***Or in or out of carrier.

[Wookieetank]

* I am never, ever allowed to play a Kender Handler again.
** Especially, said Kender cannot have 420% in Pick Pockets (2nd ed.)
*** I am not allowed to force the party wizard to roll a d% every time she casts a spell to check if she still has the material components on her, as opposed to them being in one of my bags.
**** I am especially not allowed to be the one who says the score she has to beat on the d%, based on how interesting the material component in question is.
***** If the party finds a "ring with three rubies set in it", showing a strong magical aura, in a dragon's hoard, I am not to be allowed within 100m of it.
****** No, not even with 420% in Pick Pockets.
******* Even if wasting all the three Wishes on "some milk and mint", "some cookies to dunk in it" and "hey, I wanted CHOCOLATE CHIP cookies" might sound funny, I am not allowed to do it ever, EVER again.
******** Bonus XP for good roleplaying is meaningless when the party wizard is casting Meteor Swarm on you.
********* Thrice.

Bwa hahahahahaha. :smallbiggrin:

*In M&M not to create a Kender expy with Hulk powers.

[Sgt. Cookie]

*When playing PTU, I am to remember that Feint Attack is not a basic food group.
**Aerial Ace isn't part of a balanced diet.
***Just because I can confuse someone, beat the crap out of them and then backflip away on the same turn doesn't mean it should be my go-to strategy.
****When you can meaningfully affect a fight without releasing a single pokemon, something has gone wrong. Please, for Arceus' sake, start using your pokemon.

[GPuzzle]

*If the DM starts playing the Dwarf Fortress Background Music, the appropriate reaction is not to scream "Oh sh*t, TPK incoming!"

[Hiro Protagonest]

never, ever allowed to play a Kender

This is more like a universal law.

[Anonymouswizard]

*The lich's phylactery must be an easily-located, obviously-magical item and not a small pebble Nystul'd and thrown down a disused mineshaft thirty miles from his lair.

I'm banned from using liches because a) I only have magic items get ahead when in use, and b) because I will do stuff like this.

The game never started, but I had a villain who did the copper piece trick. I've also considered having it be a ring that is included in tribute to a church or monarch, the only bread knife in a random homeless shelter, a brick from the basement that a henchman picked and forgot about, a hat sold to a second hand clothing store, human femur transplanted into human....

[JAL_1138]

I'm banned from using liches because a) I only have magic items get ahead when in use, and b) because I will do stuff like this.

The game never started, but I had a villain who did the copper piece trick. I've also considered having it be a ring that is included in tribute to a church or monarch, the only bread knife in a random homeless shelter, a brick from the basement that a henchman picked and forgot about, a hat sold to a second hand clothing store, human femur transplanted into human....

That last one is particularly good if it's an innocent person. Muahahaha...

EDIT: "hat" .... *bellows* SUSQUEHANNA HAT COMPANY!?!?! *attacks Costello*

[DigoDragon]

I'm banned from using liches because a) I only have magic items get ahead when in use, and b) because I will do stuff like this.

I once had a lich's phylactery made into a Holy Avenger. Found in the treasure pile after they killed the lich. And the party thought the sword was intelligent at first. ^^;

Yeah, they won't let me pull that noise again.

[Strigon]

That last one is particularly good if it's an innocent person. Muahahaha...

* May not make this person a friend of the PCs.
** Absolutely can't make it a family member of one of the PCs.
*** And it most certainly cannot be one of the PCs.

[ryu]

* May not make this person a friend of the PCs.
** Absolutely can't make it a family member of one of the PCs.
*** And it most certainly cannot be one of the PCs.

That last one isn't a problem. He'll gladly give up his femur for the greater good/murderhobo then regenerate it.

[goto124]

**** Cannot use someone's brain instead.
***** Other people's souls aren't eligible anyway!

[Anonymouswizard]

That last one is particularly good if it's an innocent person. Muahahaha...

EDIT: "hat" .... *bellows* SUSQUEHANNA HAT COMPANY!?!?! *attacks Costello*

Oh, it was always going to be an innocent person. Probably an orphan, just for double points.


I once had a lich's phylactery made into a Holy Avenger. Found in the treasure pile after they killed the lich. And the party thought the sword was intelligent at first. ^^;

Yeah, they won't let me pull that noise again.

That's great, I might have to steal that if I ever run with a paladin again. :smallbiggrin:

[unseenmage]

* Professor Hubert Farnsworth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi54gR656do) should never be inspiration for my character.
** Especially not my TN characters. (Too effective.)
*** Is absolutely not my character's patron.
**** No way is he their patron deity.

[Princess]

*All characters inspired by Futurama are banned in sci-fi games.
**Hypnotoad cannot be my Great Old One Patron. Youtube - Hypnotoad (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Qq31ucGy0)

*Monstroso is not an acceptable example of a Fiend Patron Youtube - Billy & Monstroso (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5yZLWVofmY)
**Stop taking character ideas from adult-oriented cartoons in general.

[Anonymouswizard]

* If the players have the right to carry guns but not the right to shoot on sight I should explain this.
** Should not be surprised when none of the metropolitan police occult squad turns out to have any investigative skills or social skulls.

[Rater202]

In a game taking place in the Nasuverse.

*Yes, I am allowed to lay a powerful Magus whose power is restricted because his Origin overwhelmed and subsumed his element, leaving him only able to cast magecraft tied to his Origin.
**However, I have to come up with an original explanation for how this happened.
***My Origin of Mirror can not mean "I can produce a reflection of any mystical effect that I see or experience that I can understand, as long as such an effect is possible with Magecraft of my level"
****I can not copy Reality Marbles.
*****I cannot force an Artificial Grail War with no restrictions on the number of Servants or How many of each class with the intent of seeing, experiencing, and understanding as many mystical phenomena as possible and reflecting them once my mage craft is at a suitable level.

[Anonymouswizard]

* No amount of shenanigans will allow an Unknown Armies character access to Noble Phantasms or Reality Marbles.
** Except going crazy, taking up a very specific set of beliefs and nabbing a major charge.
*** Okay, adepts with a major charge can manifest a Reality Marble by using said major charge.
**** If I let a player take a Reality Marble as a Soul skill should not be surprised when they successfully generate a major charge.

* I may not triple channel.
** Under any circumstances.
*** I cannot have an NPC who has managed to successfully channel three Archetypes at once.
**** Especially the Hunter, the Executioner, and the Warrior.

I really want to play some Unknown Armies, best system I've ever used.

[JAL_1138]

*When DMing, may not keep using utterly-insane NPCs just because I like to RP out their craziness in conversations.

*Every single miner does not have the same impenetrably-thick Appalachian accent regardless of species, language, or location.

*The lich's phylactery may not be located in his impenetrable private demiplane, around the neck of his clone.

*May not roll a handful of dice behind the screen and look either worried or gleefully sadistic whenever the players are taking too long.
**May not occasionally use an obscenely-lethal random encounter when doing this so they can't tell if I'm really about to throw something horrible at them or just messing with their heads.

[GPuzzle]

*The Swedish Anthem is banned.
**The French Anthem is banned.
***The Polish Anthem is banned by the goddamn Geneva Convention as a war crime - no.
****The Belgian Anthem is banned, and all hand-related jokes as well.
*****The Swiss Anthem is not just "I have no strong feelings one way or the other".

[Lord Raziere]

* May not ask permission to slap somebody's god.
** May not forget something completely obvious like stunning the enraged ally and try to calm them down with a TTGL quote-speech and an epic hug attack
*** May not then use a stun version of Giga Drill Breaker to knock them out.
**** The back up plan in case the TTGL speech failed is not "The Shoosh-Pap Method"
***** May not suggest literally throwing the enraged ally at one of my enemies to allow them to vent and think that its a win-win situation no matter who lives or dies.

[Rater202]

******May not be the one who suggested "the Shoosh-Pap method".

[JAL_1138]

*******May not reveal how old I am by having no idea whatsoever what "shoosh-pap" means, unless it's some bizarre variation on a medical procedure that screens for cervical cancer.

[Rater202]

*******May not reveal how old I am by having no idea whatsoever what "shoosh-pap" means, unless it's some bizarre variation on a medical procedure that screens for cervical cancer.
********May not say "This is what the reference (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005986)"

(Keep clicking the arrow until you get to the one that turns into a photo)

[JAL_1138]

********May not say "This is what the reference (http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005986)"

(Keep clicking the arrow until you get to the one that turns into a photo)

Well, now I know what it means, but my eyes are bleeding slightly. :D


*When RPing an insane NPC who exists only to dole out a few cryptic plot hints, the NPC should not be creepier than the actual dungeon.

*When DMing, may not make an Otyugh into an adorably-stupid and cowardly NPC instead of a ravenous monster.
**Even if the wizard asks "D'awww, can we keep him?" may not let the party keep him.

*Characters eaten by Purple Worms do not end up in the Zone Eater dungeon from FF6.

*The "floating city" must be an appropriately-impressive flying island with a city of marble spires and whatnot run by high-level wizards or other powerful magic-users, not a fairly-large fishing community of wooden houseboats, floating docks, and moored ships in a well-protected natural harbor.

[Sith_Happens]

* The World of Darkness and the Nasuverse do not mix.
** No basing any kind of Infrastructure in any way on the Ogawa Apartment Complex.


*I may not arbitrarily declare that my character is a nascent goddess because her (X greats) grandfather is [Majin Buu].

LOLWUT.:smallconfused:


* I am never, ever allowed to play a Kender Handler again.
** Especially, said Kender cannot have 420% in Pick Pockets (2nd ed.)
*** I am not allowed to force the party wizard to roll a d% every time she casts a spell to check if she still has the material components on her, as opposed to them being in one of my bags.
**** I am especially not allowed to be the one who says the score she has to beat on the d%, based on how interesting the material component in question is.
***** If the party finds a "ring with three rubies set in it", showing a strong magical aura, in a dragon's hoard, I am not to be allowed within 100m of it.
****** No, not even with 420% in Pick Pockets.
******* Even if wasting all the three Wishes on "some milk and mint", "some cookies to dunk in it" and "hey, I wanted CHOCOLATE CHIP cookies" might sound funny, I am not allowed to do it ever, EVER again.
******** Bonus XP for good roleplaying is meaningless when the party wizard is casting Meteor Swarm on you.
********* Thrice.

You are the worst person, I hope you know that.:smalltongue:


In a game taking place in the Nasuverse.

*Yes, I am allowed to lay a powerful Magus whose power is restricted because his Origin overwhelmed and subsumed his element, leaving him only able to cast magecraft tied to his Origin.

Typo or not? It could easily go either way with that franchise.:smalltongue:

[Rater202]

LOLWUT.:smallconfused:

You know how some of the DBZ games with a CaC or avatar system have Majin's as an option, despite Buu being unique? Well, According to the now Defunct Dragon Ball Online, sometime after Goku went off to train Uub, Good Buu got lonely, read a Trashy Romance novel, got the wrong idea, and split himself into male and Female halves so that he could have a wife.(she's named Buuby) Then they combined mass from both their bodies and hit the mass with a "Love Beam" to create a baby. They repeated, and so on, and so forth, and that's how the Majin's happened.

Becuase All Majin's are ultimatly derived from Majin Buu, Buu's power is divided among them(seriously, the Majin's SSJ equivalent is essentially transforming into a copy of Kid Buu)

But, they're descended from Good Buu. Good Buu only exists because the original Majin Buu absorbed South and Grand Supreme Kai, who are gods.

Thus, if the Original Majin Buu's power is present in all Majin's, so must be the power of the Supreme Kais, who are gods.

Thus, all Majin's must have trace amounts of Godly Power, and thus must have the potential to become deities themselves.

One of my Characters in Dragon Ball in the Playground is a temporally displaced Majin acrobat. Several of us are already designing Super Modes for out characters, for when we get to PLs in the millions.



Typo or not? It could easily go either way with that franchise.:smalltongue:

No typo. This is the Group from the Omnitrix Game, BTW.

[Anonymouswizard]

* The verbal component for Vicious Mockery is not 'Yo mamma's so fat...'
** There are other Bard spells.
*** Cannot cast Bard spells entirely in pun.
**** Even if it's a racial ability I cannot have multiple clockwork toys on me at once.

* If playing a Tiefling my reasoning for my race cannot be 'I am a bard, like my father before me and his father before him. Shame about the succubi though.'

* I do not have to spend any rounds grunting at my opponent before spending Ki.

Just picked up 5e, why didn't I do this when it came out?

[JAL_1138]

* The verbal component for Vicious Mockery is not 'Yo mamma's so fat...'
** There are other Bard spells.
*** Cannot cast Bard spells entirely in pun.
**** Even if it's a racial ability I cannot have multiple clockwork toys on me at once.

*****GNO GNOMES! :D



* If playing a Tiefling my reasoning for my race cannot be 'I am a bard, like my father before me and his father before him. Shame about the succubi though.'

...In 2e that would have been a perfectly valid explanation, since that sort of thing is exactly where Tieflings came from back in the day, rather than some sort of ancient pact.

[Anonymouswizard]

...In 2e that would have been a perfectly valid explanation, since that sort of thing is exactly where Tieflings came from back in the day, rather than some sort of ancient pact.

In my world that's exactly where Tieflings still come from, because you see, when a demon and a human love each other very much...

It's just the people I play with includes someone who knows the 4e (and 5e) Tiefling better than he knows the 2e/3e Tiefling, which means if I ever played in his campaigns he'd wonder why my character is 'roughly one-quarter devil'.

* If the party includes a Lawful Good Bard and a Chaotic Neutral Paladin we are doing it wrong.

* The verbal component for invisibility is not sung fortississimo.

* Cannot have proficiency in the following instruments:
-Cymbals
-Harmonica
-Synthesiser
-Spoons
-Glass bottles
-Air Guitar
-Bagpipes

[JAL_1138]

*In a group consisting of a cleric, two paladins, and a bard, the bard should not be the only one wearing metal armor and carrying a maul.
**The bard should not be the only one taking anything seriously.
***The bard should not be the only one sober.
****The bard should not be the only one who doesn't go to the brothel due to religious/moral objections.
*****The bard should not be the only one with any qualms about lying through his teeth to the authorities.
******The bard should not be the only one with proficiency in Religion.

[Anonymouswizard]

*In a group consisting of a cleric, two paladins, and a bard, the bard should not be the only one wearing metal armor and carrying a maul.
**The bard should not be the only one taking anything seriously.
***The bard should not be the only one sober.
****The bard should not be the only one who doesn't go to the brothel due to religious/moral objections.
*****The bard should not be the only one with any qualms about lying through his teeth to the authorities.
******The bard should not be the only one with proficiency in Religion.

I was going to go 'what' at this, until I remembered that proficiency in Religion isn't required for clerics and paladins anymore. Still, good for that bard for being the moral member of the party (man that sounds wrong).

* Heavy Metal Bard is not an allowed character concept.
** If running for mayor cannot swap sex for votes.
*** Cannot become the opposite sex for votes either.
**** The bard should not be sluttier than a drowlesbianstripperninja.

[goto124]

* May not say 'Wait, what? I thought warlocks were part of a infernal pact, tieflings were half-demon half-humans...'

** May not ask what other people think of this:
We were playing Vampire: The Victorian Age. Vampires are already very complex and troubled characters that fight each day just to consider themselves sane and keep the beast at bay. The system itself has ways to record how far from humanity you have fallen, moral issues and descend to madness.

The core rulebook tells that the game is intended for mature audiences, as the best way to enjoy it is delving into what it means to be a monster, rather than action or combat. In fact, that’s the way I aim to run most of my RPGs be it Vampire or any other game.

Anyway, being a depraved exhibitionist is fun until you discover that you were the first love of one of your many affairs, a young man with a promising future, a loving family and an ill mother to look for. Now he is obsessed with you and one day as you are having fun with a couple of others, he enters the room and filling betrayed, enraged and destroyed he manages to kill one of your lovers with a gun. Now he is also a murder and a fugitive.

As the sessions keep evolving, you realize all the lives that you have changed in the same manner thanks to your behavior, how many people are now feeling a grudge or looking for revenge against you, how many people you have infected and led to suicide because even as a vampire you still can transmit illness (Not to mention your reputation in mortal society and its consequences).

As a player you simply decide to ignore all of that? That’s okay, because what you are telling me is that the state of mind of your character is beyond guilt and remorse, you are on your way to indulge into even worse behaviors that will feed your beast and it will be very probable that not many sessions will happen before your character develops schizophrenia or double personality. No longer will you know if that which you witness are actual happenings or just the product of a troubled mind that protects itself so that it can keep feeling safe from feeling guilt and shame.


P.S. Sometimes you have no choice but to use the rules to keep the game from going astray. But in most cases (IME) you only need to resort to descriptions and believing your own world, and magically the players will tend to correct themselves. The punishment of giving them a look to the consequences of their actions tends to be far more effective, than just forcing a mechanic or taking away free will from them. I personally have the honor to have cried and made others cry at the table, due to the nature of the story.

[DigoDragon]

* The dice are no longer allowed to rig their own probability in order to encourage shipping between characters.
** Especially when one character is already canon-ly shipped with a third character.

[JAL_1138]

* The dice are no longer allowed to rig their own probability in order to encourage shipping between characters.
** Especially when one character is already canon-ly shipped with a third character.

***May not reply with "The Dice are The Dice, and their ways and motivations are beyond the ken of mere mortals. They follow no laws but Their own."



Goto124, I think it's Cambions and Alu-fiends that are fully half-demon, with no corresponding critter for half-devils. Tieflings were "planetouched," not to the level of being a half-fiend of some variety (unless it was a very weak fiend) and had, quote, "something else," (italics in the original text), typically from the lower planes (but it actually never says so outright) in their ancestry, back in Ye Olde Days of 2e Planescape. Now they're very distantly descended from people who made an (unspecified) pact with Asmodeus, instead, that resulted in a new race. Fiend-pact Warlocks actively made a deal with a being from the lower planes, not necessarily with Asmodeus or even a devil (could be a demon, devil, or yugoloth).

[rooster707]

*Even if nobody in the party is in-character familiar with Nick Fury, we can generally assume that he is not going to appreciate a wizard, a pterosaur-riding Halfling, several pokemon, and three men in varying states of 'heavily armed' suddenly appearing out of nowhere on the helicarrier.

What the heck are you playing!?

[Anonymouswizard]

* May not say 'Wait, what? I thought warlocks were part of a infernal pact, tieflings were half-demon half-humans...'

** Cannot say that '4e decided that having your granddaddy be a great big horny devil was too insulting, and so decided to have your character be persecuted for something his ancestors did centuries ago instead'.
*** Cannot point out that this should make tieflings either more common (most settings) or rarer (planescape) because they are now always born on the material plane, instead of having a decent chance to be born in hell.


** May not ask what other people think of this:
We were playing Vampire: The Victorian Age. Vampires are already very complex and troubled characters that fight each day just to consider themselves sane and keep the beast at bay. The system itself has ways to record how far from humanity you have fallen, moral issues and descend to madness.

The core rulebook tells that the game is intended for mature audiences, as the best way to enjoy it is delving into what it means to be a monster, rather than action or combat. In fact, that’s the way I aim to run most of my RPGs be it Vampire or any other game.

Anyway, being a depraved exhibitionist is fun until you discover that you were the first love of one of your many affairs, a young man with a promising future, a loving family and an ill mother to look for. Now he is obsessed with you and one day as you are having fun with a couple of others, he enters the room and filling betrayed, enraged and destroyed he manages to kill one of your lovers with a gun. Now he is also a murder and a fugitive.

As the sessions keep evolving, you realize all the lives that you have changed in the same manner thanks to your behavior, how many people are now feeling a grudge or looking for revenge against you, how many people you have infected and led to suicide because even as a vampire you still can transmit illness (Not to mention your reputation in mortal society and its consequences).

As a player you simply decide to ignore all of that? That’s okay, because what you are telling me is that the state of mind of your character is beyond guilt and remorse, you are on your way to indulge into even worse behaviors that will feed your beast and it will be very probable that not many sessions will happen before your character develops schizophrenia or double personality. No longer will you know if that which you witness are actual happenings or just the product of a troubled mind that protects itself so that it can keep feeling safe from feeling guilt and shame.


P.S. Sometimes you have no choice but to use the rules to keep the game from going astray. But in most cases (IME) you only need to resort to descriptions and believing your own world, and magically the players will tend to correct themselves. The punishment of giving them a look to the consequences of their actions tends to be far more effective, than just forcing a mechanic or taking away free will from them. I personally have the honor to have cried and made others cry at the table, due to the nature of the story.

*** Cannot say that I see nothing wrong with it as long as you don't enforce Humanity penalties too harshly.

* Tieflings are meant to be feared and persecuted, so my Tiefling Bard cannot be a well-respected writer, war hero, or have any other sort of positive reputation.
** The well-liked general of the forces of Good should not be a tiefling in chainmail with a rapier.
*** Must remember that Tieflings apparently inherit 'evil' as well as 'affable' (they have a +2 to Charisma in 5e, so I'm bloody well running them as well-liked).

[JAL_1138]

Useful notes:

--Exceptions to the general rule exist, so there's no reason one particular tiefling might not be popular despite general racial prejudice. Happens all the time IRL (though not with tieflings, obviously).
--Charisma does not necessarily mean well-liked; someone might have high Cha due to being scary as hell, or highly persuasive, or an extremely good liar. Nobody much likes CMOT Dibbler, for instance, and yet he can sell sausages-inna-bun to people who've bought them from him before.
--Nothing in the book (whether 2e or 5e) says they automatically inherit evilness. 5e says the exact opposite in the green box titled "Mutual Mistrust" on p. 43 above "Tiefling Traits."

[goto124]

** May not look back on the thing I spoilered, and say "well it fits with the rest of the game since other 'sinful' actions taken by the PCs are treated in similar manners. If those things were suddenly introduced into an otherwise light-hearted campaign, it wouldn't be nearly as nice".

**** Cannot suggest that the tieflings hide their tiefling status.

[Anonymouswizard]

Useful notes:

--Exceptions to the general rule exist, so there's no reason one particular tiefling might not be popular despite general racial prejudice. Happens all the time IRL (though not with tieflings, obviously).
--Charisma does not necessarily mean well-liked; someone might have high Cha due to being scary as hell, or highly persuasive, or an extremely good liar. Nobody much likes CMOT Dibbler, for instance, and yet he can sell sausages-inna-bun to people who've bought them from him before.
--Nothing in the book (whether 2e or 5e) says they automatically inherit evilness. 5e says the exact opposite in the green box titled "Mutual Mistrust" on p. 43 above "Tiefling Traits."

I know all of this, but in general high Cha collates with being liked or not reject. In essence I think that Tieflings should induce the opposite reaction when they start talking, except in rare cases nobody hates them, and in generally they are well liked, but you do get your CMOT Dibblers and Lecters along with your Captain Carrots. I'm also used to the 4e description, which does say that they are disliked.

I have no actual problem with the general racial prejudice, until you come to the fact that most Tieflings will either have the charm or force of personality to make it far in the world, making it sound a lot more like resentment than suspicion (given that even in 3e they really weren't influenced enough buy their heritage for that 'generally evil' tag).

Also, the 'inherent evil' was entirely a joke, as in my view Tieflings should be people more than they should be demon-people. I also have a tendency to design a lot of good Tiefling characters, and few neutral or evil ones.

[GPuzzle]

*The Gnome cannot be an invisible Paladin.
**Even worse if he's a Paladin|Warlock who actively turns invisible constantly.
***No, he did not invent an Invisibility Cloak using only a holy symbol, a napkin filled with goose fat and a dead fly.
****GNO GNOMES!

[JAL_1138]

I was going to go 'what' at this, until I remembered that proficiency in Religion isn't required for clerics and paladins anymore. Still, good for that bard for being the moral member of the party (man that sounds wrong).

From a rules perspective it's allowable, but I think "wat" is still the appropriate reaction here. :smalltongue:

[One Tin Soldier]

* If the party includes a Lawful Good Bard and a Chaotic Neutral Paladin we are doing it wrong.


** If the barbarian is the party's voice of reason, something has gone wrong.
*** Same if the barbarian solves more puzzles in the dungeon than the wizard.
**** Why is the bard the most frightening member of the party?

I love 5e. Where else can you play a Lawful Good barbarian? :smallbiggrin:


** May not ask what other people think of this: [spoiler=Wall of text]

*** Can not respond with "that sure is the way Vampire (nWoD 1e, anyway) is meant to be played."

[GPuzzle]

I love 5e. Where else can you play a Lawful Good barbarian? :smallbiggrin:

4e? /5char

[JAL_1138]

4e? /5char

Where, ironically enough, you can't play a Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral barbarian.

[Anonymouswizard]

4e? /5char

Ah, The Edition That Must Not Be Named (For Fear Of Flame Wars) or TETMNBN(FFOFW).

* Despite real life precedent, I cannot have my country buy the entire world's tea production.
** If my enemy can only afford to fight me by selling me tea, I should probably not buy their tea.

[JAL_1138]

** If my enemy can only afford to fight me by selling me tea, I should probably not buy their tea.

***Be careful if playing a colonial, however, as dumping their tea in the harbor rather than buying it and paying taxes on it may lead to war.

[GPuzzle]

Where, ironically enough, you can't play a Chaotic Good or Chaotic Neutral barbarian.

Well, that's because it doesn't exist. But you can switch to the old style of Alignment if you want to.

[Anonymouswizard]

* If my character introduces himself as 'the priest of my tribe' he is expected to know Cure Wounds.
** His signiture spells should not be Thunderwave and Lightning Bolt.
*** Must reveal at some point that I'm not a cleric but actually a Storm Origin Sorcerer wih ritual Caster (cleric).
**** Meteor Swarm+Quickened Sunburst is probably overkill.

[Princess]

* May not say 'Wait, what? I thought warlocks were part of a infernal pact, tieflings were half-demon half-humans...'


Actually, it's the opposite. You are obligated to question why 4e made tieflings into a race where everyone's basically a warlock.



Goto124, I think it's Cambions and Alu-fiends that are fully half-demon, with no corresponding critter for half-devils. Tieflings were "planetouched," not to the level of being a half-fiend of some variety (unless it was a very weak fiend) and had, quote, "something else," (italics in the original text), typically from the lower planes (but it actually never says so outright) in their ancestry, back in Ye Olde Days of 2e Planescape. Now they're very distantly descended from people who made an (unspecified) pact with Asmodeus, instead, that resulted in a new race. Fiend-pact Warlocks actively made a deal with a being from the lower planes, not necessarily with Asmodeus or even a devil (could be a demon, devil, or yugoloth).

Yes, Tiefling Classic are any amount of fiend heritage less than half.

The New Tiefling works way better as a specific sub-type of Tiefling Classic, as there are also other specific sorts of part-fiend creatures that were introduced in other books (Such as Fey'ri (Elf-Succubi), Tanarukk (Demon Orcs), et c.)

And I will never cease my persistent objections to how boring it is that New Tiefling always have horns and a tail as the sign they are part fiend, when Tiefling Classic had a big list of varied options that could be very subtle or painfully obvious.


**** Cannot suggest that the tieflings hide their tiefling status.

Human-passing Tieflings are the envy of all the weirdos out there.

I imagine being an especially elf-looking half-elf could have certain advantages as well.

[JAL_1138]

Actually, it's the opposite. You are obligated to question why 4e made tieflings into a race where everyone's basically a warlock.



Yes, Tiefling Classic are any amount of fiend heritage less than half.

The New Tiefling works way better as a specific sub-type of Tiefling Classic, as there are also other specific sorts of part-fiend creatures that were introduced in other books (Such as Fey'ri (Elf-Succubi), Tanarukk (Demon Orcs), et c.)

And I will never cease my persistent objections to how boring it is that New Tiefling always have horns and a tail as the sign they are part fiend, when Tiefling Classic had a big list of varied options that could be very subtle or painfully obvious.



Human-passing Tieflings are the envy of all the weirdos out there.

I imagine being an especially elf-looking half-elf could have certain advantages as well.

They weren't given much physical difference from humans in the Campaign Box Set, but in the Planewalker's Handbook, hoo boy. An entire page of d100 tables for special abilities, physical features, and side effects. They ranged from terrible to mild to fantastic (on the abilities and side effects tables, at least).

[Rater202]

*I can not summon Scrooge McDuck as my Heroic Spirit Servant.

[Sith_Happens]

Well, According to the now Defunct Dragon Ball Online, sometime after Goku went off to train Uub, Good Buu got lonely, read a Trashy Romance novel, got the wrong idea, and split himself into male and Female halves so that he could have a wife.(she's named Buuby) Then they combined mass from both their bodies and hit the mass with a "Love Beam" to create a baby. They repeated, and so on, and so forth, and that's how the Majin's happened.

This is the part I was asking about. It's also about what I would have expected had I taken the time to try and guess.


No typo.

https://slm-assets2.secondlife.com/assets/5390820/view_large/George-Takei-oh-my.jpg?1334189545


** May not ask what other people think of this: [spoiler=Wall of text]

I'm confused, is the question "Should deciding you don't give a crap about all the lives you've ruined in passing trigger a Humanity degeneration roll?" Because that's what it seems like the question is, and the answer is "That is literally what the Humanity rules are for in the first place.":smallconfused:


* The dice are no longer allowed to rig their own probability in order to encourage shipping between characters.
** Especially when one character is already canon-ly shipped with a third character.

Well then, I know which thread I have to catch up on next.:smalleek::smallbiggrin:

[Anonymouswizard]

* Cannot ask if anyone has a copy of the Tiefling physical features table.
* 'Fire sorcerer who uses fire so strong it burns fire' is an okay concept.
** As is the same with lightning.
*** Not love though.
**** Cannot build a bard fueled by the power of love.
***** Lust is out as well.
****** Especially if the lust fueled bard is the most moral party member.

[JAL_1138]

* Cannot ask if anyone has a copy of the Tiefling physical features table.


These look to be the Page 80 tables from the Planewalker's Handbook. You could roll five times on Tiefling Abilities (instead of the default racial abilities), and roll 1d4 times on Tiefling Appearance. (The Special Side Effects table is only used if it comes up because of a roll on another table).

Clicketh heere for ye Tables of Tiefling Traits. (http://www.ekkaia.org/rpg/dnd/ps/tiefling.pdf)

[DigoDragon]

Well then, I know which thread I have to catch up on next.

A certain grumpy NPC did not help matters at all. :smalltongue:


* I may not brag that my character tanked 15 rounds to the head when the bullets were all still in the magazine.
** No longer allowed to do anything that gets a rifle magazine chucked at my head.

[Rater202]

https://slm-assets2.secondlife.com/assets/5390820/view_large/George-Takei-oh-my.jpg?1334189545

...I typed yes, why did it end up no?:smallconfused:

[JAL_1138]

...I typed yes, why did it end up no?:smallconfused:

Difference between "No typo" and "No, typo" perhaps?

[Rater202]

Difference between "No typo" and "No, typo" perhaps?

Yeah, probably.

[illyahr]

Punctuation. The difference between "Stop clubbing baby seals" and "Stop clubbing, baby seals"

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/4d/e9/8a4de9add044549b62831b9415675ec9.jpg

[Rater202]

*I may not start a club for baby seals.

[Anonymouswizard]

* If the choice is between saving the Princess and stopping Orcus from entering the world, I cannot enter negotiations with the Cult of Orcus.
** Not allowed to play a Merchant again.
*** Not allowed to play a Mercenary again.
**** Cannot ask to talk to their manager.
***** If negotiating with Orcus I should bring a way to resurrect.

[JAL_1138]

*Not allowed to ask why Orcus has nothing to do with Orcs.
**Yes, I know it has to do with the Latin and Old English etymology.

[Anonymouswizard]

* Gruumsh is not Orcs-r-us.
** He has no relation to Orcus.

[Draconium]

Hey, we're on page 50 now, aren't we? Isn't that usually around the point where we move on from one thread to the next? Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about?

[goto124]

*Not allowed to ask why Orcus has nothing to do with Orcs.

** May not sheepishly admit 'I thought he was the God of Orcs...'
*** May not also admit that the first time I heard of him, he was part of a series of Orcus jokes, and did not realise he was a real character.

* May not start a new thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?440508-Things-I-May-No-Longer-Do-while-Playing-IX-GNO-GNOMES!&p=19791843#post19791843)

[AeonsShadow]

My bard, my pixie, nor my warlock may ever draw from the deck of many things again....

(Bard drew the Throne 6 times, +36 to diplomacy, one kingdom.

Pixie drew Moon, fates, gem, and knight, 4 wishes, one get out of jail card, sparklies, and a minion.

Warlock drew, Jester, sun, and Key.... 60,000 exp, lvl 10-lvl 15ish, a cloak of Charisma +4 (HE ROLLED IT) and some axe I traded to the barbarian for a mug that filled with whatever drink I wanted and a pair of rose tinted glasses that allowed me to read other languages.)

[unseenmage]

* The alchemificer is not allowed to build a clockwork (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/clockwork-creature-template-cr-1-tohc) spacewhale (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/oma).
** Definitely not allowed to build a clockwork Pathfinder-Godzilla (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/kaiju/kaiju-mogaru).
*** Absolutely not allowed to combine the two! (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/amalgam-creature-cr-special)
**** That the undead bard could command the Clockwork-Pathfinder-Godzilla-Spacewhale-Amalgam via song does not make it okay.

[Hiro Protagonest]

(Bard drew the Throne 6 times, +36 to diplomacy, one kingdom.

Pretty sure you can only draw each card once.

[AeonsShadow]

Pretty sure you can only draw each card once.

he shuffled cards in after drawing because the decks only came in peices and bits, mixed up all the time. I STILL FAILED EVERY DIPLOMACY CHECK EVER THOUGH.... (friggin natural ones....)

[unseenmage]

he shuffled cards in after drawing because the decks only came in peices and bits, mixed up all the time. I STILL FAILED EVERY DIPLOMACY CHECK EVER THOUGH.... (friggin natural ones....)

But.. but skill and ability checks aren't auto failed on a 1...

[GAAD]

*May not post to the thread just to bump it higher on the front page than the previous version of it, which has been thread-necromanced, in the hope that the people posting to the old thread will get the hint.

**May not get the hint.

[FabulousFizban]

*May not create a character named Necro Nancy who revives old threads

[EtuBrutus]

* I may no longer make puns about killing various enemies.
** I may no longer randomly yell out Bow chicka wow wow at every serious diplomatic situation.
*** I may no longer plot to back stab my friends at any given chance.

[unseenmage]

* I may no longer make puns about killing various enemies.
** I may no longer randomly yell out Bow chicka wow wow at every serious diplomatic situation.
*** I may no longer plot to back stab my friends at any given chance.
**** Especially not to use the plot points to plot said stabbing.
***** No 'Giggitty giggitty!' at the diplomats either.