Marvel Comics that should be adapted to other media

[t209]

So we got Big Hero Six, Avengers (popularized through movies), X-Men, Spiderman, etc.
What other comics or stories should Marvel adapt?
- Powerpack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Pack) (either as a kid's show, cameo, or part of Big Hero Six universe)
- Omega the Unknown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_the_Unknown) (starring the kid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ds8iv1XPM) from Iron Man 3 but with the last Nova Centurion who were wiped out in Nova-Kree war).
- Nova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_(Richard_Rider)) (possibly Sam Alexander since Marvel pushing him instead of Richard Rider, or put them both at least).
- Steve Gerber's Defenders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenders_%28comics%29) (Instead of Agent of SMASH, maybe they should put Hulk with Dr. Strange and Valkyrie--Namor and Silver Surfer is not in MCU. Heck maybe they should name Ultimate Friends as "Defending Friends" due to being disorganized brats.)
- Howard the Duck
- Matt Fraction's Hawkeye
- Young Avengers
- Fantastic Four
Anyone else? I'm kinda sad that Marvel/Disney have been making good movies but bad cartoons, even cancelling the good ones.
even One More Day (implied) happened in Ultimate Spiderman since MJ broke up with Peter Parker and no Mayday in Spiderverse episode. Thanks, Joe Q.

[Psyren]

Exiles as a cartoon series? they should still have the cartoon rights to all their properties. This would allow them to jump through a whole bunch of alternate universe/what-if scenarios featuring the main players like Spidey, the Avengers et al.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I want a Runaways TV series, not sure if it would work best in the MCU or as a stand alone; the main problem would be using Molly as she is a mutant, which would obviously cause troubles, being inhuman MIGHT work, but I'm not sure.

[TheThan]

So we got Big Hero Six, Avengers (popularized through movies), X-Men, Spiderman, etc.
What other comics or stories should Marvel adapt?
- Powerpack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Pack) (either as a kid's show, cameo, or part of Big Hero Six universe)
- Omega the Unknown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_the_Unknown) (starring the kid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07ds8iv1XPM) from Iron Man 3 but with the last Nova Centurion who were wiped out in Nova-Kree war).
- Nova (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nova_(Richard_Rider)) (possibly Sam Alexander since Marvel pushing him instead of Richard Rider, or put them both at least).
- Steve Gerber's Defenders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenders_%28comics%29) (Instead of Agent of SMASH, maybe they should put Hulk with Dr. Strange and Valkyrie--Namor and Silver Surfer is not in MCU. Heck maybe they should name Ultimate Friends as "Defending Friends" due to being disorganized brats.)
- Howard the Duck
- Matt Fraction's Hawkeye
- Young Avengers
- Fantastic Four
Anyone else? I'm kinda sad that Marvel/Disney have been making good movies but bad cartoons, even cancelling the good ones.
even One More Day (implied) happened in Ultimate Spiderman since MJ broke up with Peter Parker and no Mayday in Spiderverse episode. Thanks, Joe Q.


There is a Howard the Duck movie.
there are two Fantastic Four movies.
and there are two Hawkeye T.V. series. (1957 and 1994). but both of them are referring to the James Fenmore Cooper character Nathaniel Bumppo.
there are several Spiderman cartoons and a Japanese TV series.

[comicshorse]

I prefer the lower end of the power spectrum and have a huge love of pulp fiction and martial arts movies so: Shang Chi, Master of Kung Fu preferably working alongise MI-6 as in the classic 'Master of Kung Fu' series

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shang-Chi

[t209]

Yeah, kinda suck for Fox to get X-Men.
On one hand, Inhumans (Marvel cosmic) becoming earthbound and Mutants (Marvel staples since 1960's) becoming space bound.
On the other, Mutants racism doesn't make sense in Marvel universe, even Avenger's roster included many mutants even before the horrible AvX which Avengers messed it up but got out scot-free due to movie deals, and Inhuman racism might make a bit sense since they are foreigners and part-Aliens.
I think Kirby might be rolling in his graves by the treatment of Inhumans now.
I don't know but I kinda like Sam Alexander Nova now, at least in comic. Too bad that Ultimate Spiderman messed it up. I even had a headcanon that Sam (both comic and series) might be part-human, like Peter Quil but dad decided to go native rather than ditching her with wedlock baby (like in Starlord's Origins and Bendis' GotG) and/or possibly giving her cancer (through his energy "fluids".).
Too bad that the movie's influence turned the Guardians from space commandos into outlaws, even James Gunn hated Bendis' direction of the group.

There is a Howard the Duck movie.
there are two Fantastic Four movies.
and there are two Hawkeye T.V. series. (1957 and 1994). but both of them are referring to the James Fenmore Cooper character Nathaniel Bumppo.
there are several Spiderman cartoons and a Japanese TV series.
But the movie is terrible (both FF and Howard the Duck). Hawkeye as in the archer in Avengers rather than the western. And still mad at Marvel cancelling Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Spectacular Spiderman to make it more MCU rather than old comics (more on former). I don't know about Ultimate Spiderman but the show would be better as "Gateway to Marvel universe" since they kinda introduced obscure Marvel characters (New Warriors, Amadeus Cho from Incredible Hercules, and Spiderham), even those that the ones that many audience don't know are connected to (Blade). If they even thought of adapting One More Day, I'll be hatin'.

[JoshL]

Howard The Duck is great! I love that movie! It's very dated visually, and kinda hokey, but so is the source material. It's a weird movie based on a weird comic...yeah, it's not for everyone, but what did they THINK a movie called "howard the duck" would be like? That said, I am comfortable with my minority opinion here.

Anyway, the obvious answer (for me) is Squirrel Girl. With Kristen Schaal. And if they can tie it into the Deadpool movie, all the better.

Oh, I'd also enjoy a Cloak and Dagger movie. Probably Moon Knight too.

[Zmeoaice]

The Teen Brigade

[Tyndmyr]

A movie staring Pip the Troll, with Adam Strange as the "villain". Obvious crossover potential of awesomeness.

[TheThan]

Meh, the Fantastic Four movies weren’t that bad. They weren’t great mind you but they weren’t that bad; I’ve watched worse super hero movies.


Let’s see, I like the idea of a Dazzler TV show. Alison’s a pop singer Heavy Metal singer with super powers that moonlights as a super hero. The love interest is Longshot (he really needs a proper name), who’s a Hollywood Actor/stuntman with luck based powers. You could throw in members of the x-men as guest stars.

So kinda like Jem and the Holograms, only actually cool.

[Rakaydos]

If marvel gets movie rights to the FF back, I want to see a standalone Doom movie. No reed richards + co, just Doom. Bonus points if they tie it into MCU to set him up as the next avengers villian.

[t209]

If marvel gets movie rights to the FF back, I want to see a standalone Doom movie. No reed richards + co, just Doom. Bonus points if they tie it into MCU to set him up as the next avengers villian.
Or even better,
- Kree-Skrull War
- Guardians of the Galaxy: Drax or Groot going toe to toe with Super Skrull

[Psyren]

Aren't the Chitauri supposed to be Skrulls in all but name?

[Kitten Champion]

Aren't the Chitauri supposed to be Skrulls in all but name?

Yep, though in the Ultimate universe I think they're literally synonymous.


As to properties I'd like to see in other media, obviously I want a Nextwave: Agents of Hate movie.

[t209]

Aren't the Chitauri supposed to be Skrulls in all but name?
Except Skrulls have Superskrull, or the one who had all the powers from Fantastic Four. That part only appeared in Rise of Silver Surfer as Human Torch using that power. On the bright side, at least Winter Soldier used hydra agents instead of Skrulls that might kill the "liberty vs. securty debate" (I mean humanity might need repression* in a universe where two jerks rule the galaxy, benevolent civilization getting the short end of the stick, and aliens assault Earth on occasion).
*minus chainsaw wielding maniacs, flashlight wielding cannon fodders, and GRIMDARK.
Well, the Chitauris have appeared in 616 Universe in new Nova comics (Sam Alexander). I think Marvel is trying to push Sam Alexander to mainstream media instead of Rich Rider (even Jeph said that he would use him had he not died in Thanos Imperative). I don't know but I kinda enjoy Sam story (the first five is ok and better than the one from Ultimate Spiderman but resolved too quick but I am still reading the ones by Gerry Duggan due to my speculation*).
*like whether Jesse might be humanoid alien (Xandarian?) who decided to stay on Earth (and riddled with PTSD) rather than leaving a woman after one night stand.

[Psyren]

Except Skrulls have Superskrull, or the one who had all the powers from Fantastic Four. That part only appeared in Rise of Silver Surfer as Human Torch using that power. On the bright side, at least Winter Soldier used hydra agents instead of Skrulls that might kill the "liberty vs. securty debate" (I mean humanity might need repression* in a universe where two jerks rule the galaxy, benevolent civilization getting the short end of the stick, and aliens assault Earth on occasion).
*minus chainsaw wielding maniacs, flashlight wielding cannon fodders, and GRIMDARK.
Well, the Chitauris have appeared in 616 Universe in new Nova comics (Sam Alexander). I think Marvel is trying to push Sam Alexander to mainstream media instead of Rich Rider (even Jeph said that he would use him had he not died in Thanos Imperative). I don't know but I kinda enjoy Sam story (the first five is ok and better than the one from Ultimate Spiderman but resolved too quick but I am still reading the ones by Gerry Duggan due to my speculation*).
*like whether Jesse might be humanoid alien (Xandarian?) who decided to stay on Earth (and riddled with PTSD) rather than leaving a woman after one night stand.

What I meant was we can still have the Kree-Skrull war in MCU (and likely will have some kind of analogue before Captain Marvel and Thanos come calling) just using the Chitauri instead. The bad Kree leader Ronan basically got wasted by the Space Stone and the Nova Corps decimated, so the stage is set to have them be Earth's plucky underdog allies in Infinity War.

[Kitten Champion]

What I meant was we can still have the Kree-Skrull war in MCU (and likely will have some kind of analogue before Captain Marvel and Thanos come calling) just using the Chitauri instead. The bad Kree leader Ronan basically got wasted by the Space Stone and the Nova Corps decimated, so the stage is set to have them be Earth's plucky underdog allies in Infinity War.

There was a Kree-Chitauri War in the Ultimate Universe, which Galactus won as far I can tell.

[t209]

Okay, so Disney is going to release Guardians of the Galaxy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLAU6jF0qwY) cartoon.
And it's Bendis' version (outlaws) rather than Abnett's Space commandos or 31st century version (Yodu, Major Victory, Charlie 27, and Martinex).
Fortunately, James Gunn said that he won't be touching Bendis version, which he might cast Mantis, Quasar, and/or Adam Warlock.
:smallannoyed:Just hope that they don't messed it up or managed to at least get Human Rocket Nova Corps.

[Tyndmyr]

Aren't the Chitauri supposed to be Skrulls in all but name?

I thought they were the Badoon or whatever. *shrug* Not really important, I suppose. Enough generic punchable aliens out there to go around.

[Logic]

Howard The Duck is great! I love that movie! It's very dated visually, and kinda hokey, but so is the source material. It's a weird movie based on a weird comic...yeah, it's not for everyone, but what did they THINK a movie called "howard the duck" would be like? That said, I am comfortable with my minority opinion here.

Anyway, the obvious answer (for me) is Squirrel Girl. With Kristen Schaal. And if they can tie it into the Deadpool movie, all the better.

Oh, I'd also enjoy a Cloak and Dagger movie. Probably Moon Knight too.

Yes, yes, and yes!

And I KNOW I'm in the minority, but I'd like to see some other versions of Spider-Man's Clone saga (mostly in cartoons, a film version would probably be too hokey.). Ben Reilly is my favorite character in the Spider-family.

I'd also like to see another Punisher movie. One that isn't like the Dolph Lundgren mess, or gore-porn that was War Zone helmed by Ray Stevenson.

[t209]

Yes, yes, and yes!

And I KNOW I'm in the minority, but I'd like to see some other versions of Spider-Man's Clone saga (mostly in cartoons, a film version would probably be too hokey.). Ben Reilly is my favorite character in the Spider-family.

Well, they made fun of that storyline in 90's Spiderman cartoon.Unfortunately, the series' universe Clone Saga revealed Mary Jane as a clone and kinda more harsh that both of them are no longer married thanks to retconned from One More Day.

[Aotrs Commander]

Jubilee.

Just... Jubilee.

You can have some X-Men (or Avengers, I guess, given that she was a member in the M2 universe) to ensure she's not in complete isolation, and maybe add Shogo for good measure, but mostly, just Jubilee.

[t209]

Jubilee.

Just... Jubilee.

You can have some X-Men (or Avengers, I guess, given that she was a member in the M2 universe) to ensure she's not in complete isolation, and maybe add Shogo for good measure, but mostly, just Jubilee.
I don't know but she's like Aquaman of X-Men show, which the writers forgot about the fact that she can make a bomb and firework was due to fear of collateral damage.
No wonder why Marvel made her a vampire.

[JoshL]

Jubilee.

Just... Jubilee.

You can have some X-Men (or Avengers, I guess, given that she was a member in the M2 universe) to ensure she's not in complete isolation, and maybe add Shogo for good measure, but mostly, just Jubilee.

Good news... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7093076/ She was in the first three too, but if you didn't know it you'd miss her. Don't know if she'll get a bigger role in the next one.

Also, Logic, since Marvel has the Punisher rights back, odds are looking good in your favor as well!

[Kitten Champion]

Good news... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7093076/ She was in the first three too, but if you didn't know it you'd miss her. Don't know if she'll get a bigger role in the next one.

Also, Logic, since Marvel has the Punisher rights back, odds are looking good in your favor as well!

For all the talk of how Fox ruins things, they have given me Blink in a really neat action role and now Jubilee. If they just had 80's full-on Dazzler I'd forgive all their transgressions forever.

Oh, and they've got Olivia Munn as Psylocke. That's an interesting choice, I hope they give her character a personality to work with.

[JoshL]

Munn could be great. I liked her on The Newsroom. For me, the make or break point is going to be Gambit, particularly with a Gambit movie on the horizon. I have absolutely no opinion on Tatum as an actor. I mean, I enjoyed the G.I. Joe movies, but not because anyone was particularly good :smallwink:

That said, I sort of wish Bryan Singer would pass the torch back to Matthew Vaughn. First Class was the most well-done film of the lot, and Singer seems to not be able to handle Storm. Thought it was Berry, but she was just fine in X3, so it must be something in the way she's being directed.

[Aotrs Commander]

Good news... http://www.imdb.com/name/nm7093076/ She was in the first three too, but if you didn't know it you'd miss her. Don't know if she'll get a bigger role in the next one.

I know. I am withholding my excitement until there is more information around, i.e. whether her appearance is a glorified cameo or not like the last times (and/or whether they'll just kill her off...)

Time will tell...

[Metahuman1]

Avengers Academy as a serious-ish Cartoon (think Wolverine And the X-men, Avengers EMH, X-men Evolution, Spectacular Spider-man or the early 90's X-men series.) could be awesome.

Bonus points if we can have Kamala Khan and Spider-Gwen hanging with Kid Loki.




Could also work well as a Netflicks TV series.

[TheThan]

Jubilee.

Just... Jubilee.

You can have some X-Men (or Avengers, I guess, given that she was a member in the M2 universe) to ensure she's not in complete isolation, and maybe add Shogo for good measure, but mostly, just Jubilee.

I feel obligated to direct you to the Generation X (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2woRmWMhm0) TV movie. Failed TV pilot. For all your Jubilation Lee needs.

[t209]

Avengers Academy as a serious-ish Cartoon (think Wolverine And the X-men, Avengers EMH, X-men Evolution, Spectacular Spider-man or the early 90's X-men series.) could be awesome.

Bonus points if we can have Kamala Khan and Spider-Gwen hanging with Kid Loki.




Could also work well as a Netflicks TV series.
Just hope that someone didn't make Kamala appear on Ultimate Spiderman (bad show but it's becoming spotlight show for introducing obscure characters or the ones* that were know usually known to be connected to Marvel Universe). Otherwise, it will be harder to get it cancelled.
*like Blade and Dracula.
Too bad that the show also adapted One More Day (https://youtu.be/spVSimxUdfI?t=5m5s) (:smallfurious: JOE QUESADA!). If you think that's temporary, the show didn't have Mayday as Spidergirl (meaning that Joe Q don't want Peter Parker to get married).
edit: I don't know but people will view Jubilee in dim view based on animated series. Basically Superfriends Aquaman with fireworks.

[Metahuman1]

The answer to that issue is to have Jub's have been around the block a couple of times at the shows start and thus be capable in her own right. Have her first scene be showing up to a fight to bail someone out and trash like 2-3 Sentinels or a score or so of totalitarian MRD black ops guys Or a couple of not total joke members of the brotherhood by herself. Boom. Done.

[Man on Fire]

Runaways - prefferably Netflix series, or movie.
All-New Ghost Rider - Netflix series
Ms. Marvel - movie
Young Avengers/Avengers Academy - movie
And by movie I mean MCU movie, not animated one as Big Hero 6.

[Kitten Champion]

Just hope that someone didn't make Kamala appear on Ultimate Spiderman (bad show but it's becoming spotlight show for introducing obscure characters or the ones* that were know usually known to be connected to Marvel Universe). Otherwise, it will be harder to get it cancelled.
*like Blade and Dracula.
Too bad that the show also adapted One More Day (https://youtu.be/spVSimxUdfI?t=5m5s) (:smallfurious: JOE QUESADA!).

I sincerely doubt that had anything to do with Joe Quesada specifically, and more the fact that the show's target demographic was too young to be expected to be interested in a romantic subplot and Man of Action wanted to write Mary Jane like Gwen Tennyson because that's what they do.

You could argue that Quesada was certainly involved in the conceptualization of the most recent Marvel Animated Universe which ultimately necessitated the Low Maturity standard in the first place, but personally I don't think that should be put at anyone's feet specifically given it was likely tied into dealings with Disney and the needs of the merchandising division.

More to the point, One More Day was awful because of the character-assassinating contrivance it used to justify a soft reboot of the character, not because Mary Jane is destined to be with Peter in every reality throughout time or something. You could equally say the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon or The Amazing Spider-Man movie One More Day'd Mary Jane by focusing on Peter's relationship with Gwen Stacy, there's no presumption that he has to end up with Mary Jane beyond that she's his most famous love interest in the popular consciousness.



If you think that's temporary, the show didn't have Mayday as Spidergirl (meaning that Joe Q don't want Peter Parker to get married).
edit: I don't know but people will view Jubilee in dim view based on animated series. Basically Superfriends Aquaman with fireworks.

Thing is, cartoon Ultimate Peter Parker is sixteen. Explaining that he's going to grow up, get married, quit being Spider-Man and have a super-child to succeed him is a convolution a half-hour cartoon doesn't need. Besides, that's how Marvel alternate realities work in the first place. There are numerous worlds where Peter is indeed a girl. Hell, within the reality of Ultimate comics there's Jessica Drew which is literally his gender-swapped clone.

[Metahuman1]

If that's the case, why even mention that they've been friends forever and, to quote peter when he's narrating her introduction in the premier "When we were twelve, we decided to get serious *Backdrop of them kissing each other and hating it.* Worse Decision EVER!!!!!"


I promise you, exceedingly few 12 year old boys and girls feel that way about kissing.

Also, why would a show that falls strictly into that claim Have semi-regular Stan Lee Cameo's and an ep with Deadpool running around being Deadpool? It doesn't click.


And you'll notice that Spectacular Spiderman had MJ around and floated the fact that Peter was a teenager who dated a fair bit. And that INCLUDED MJ. And the Amazing Spider-man movies simply didn't HAVE an MJ in them which was fine as well. And if Ultimate did EITHER of these things, it would be perfectly fine. Instead, "Worst Decision EVER!".



So, no, that indeed reeks of being a Nod to OMD and a sucker punch out the starting gate at anyone who didn't like OMD or who liked them as a couple.





Also, Ultimate Spiderman can explain alternate universes were things are different and not just take ten seconds for him to meet his older self and go "So, let me get this straight, you started like I did, grew up, got married, had a girl, eventually retired the costume, and your daughter got the spider powers too, grew up till she was about the age you were when you started, and started being as super hero?"

"About the size of it.".

Again, doesn't track. But Quesada saying "No, in absolutely no universe do we acknowledge that it's even possible that Peter Grew Up, got married, had any children or stopped being spider-man, and we certainly don't knowledge above all else it was even possible to make it so he got married to MJ and there daughter became Spider Girl!" would explain it rather perfectly. In that I hate him with a white hot intensity of ten thousand suns kinda way.


Also, if you think Just character Assassinating 1 or 2 characters is all that was wrong with OMD, then you might actually need to read it again. There's a LOT more crap in that book that should NOT be allowed to fly.

[Kitten Champion]

If that's the case, why even mention that they've been friends forever and, to quote peter when he's narrating her introduction in the premier "When we were twelve, we decided to get serious *Backdrop of them kissing each other and hating it.* Worse Decision EVER!!!!!"

To establish their present relationship? It's a badly written show aimed at children, so I'm not arguing for its implicit merits, rather your need to demonize Joe Quesada for everything regardless of possessing any facts to substantiate it.



I promise you, exceedingly few 12 year old boys and girls feel that way about kissing.

I don't believe the intention was to express "kissing is yuck" but that they felt uncomfortable becoming romantically involved due to prolonged friendship which they find more enriching. That often happens, even among 12 year olds.



Also, why would a show that falls strictly into that claim Have semi-regular Stan Lee Cameo's and an ep with Deadpool running around being Deadpool? It doesn't click.

What?



And you'll notice that Spectacular Spiderman had MJ around and floated the fact that Peter was a teenager who dated a fair bit. And that INCLUDED MJ. And the Amazing Spider-man movies simply didn't HAVE an MJ in them which was fine as well. And if Ultimate did EITHER of these things, it would be perfectly fine. Instead, "Worst Decision EVER!".

But... it doesn't have to, there's no logical or narrative-based reason Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson have to form a romantic relationship in every conceivable universe. Ultimate Spider-Man wasn't about romance in any fashion, the one time it did come up it was strictly comedic and focused on his Aunt - with Phil Coulson of all people. They still wanted Mary Jane around because mundane people know who she is, but things like dating and kissing were clearly considered uncomfortable for the target audience.



So, no, that indeed reeks of being a Nod to OMD and a sucker punch out the starting gate at anyone who didn't like OMD or who liked them as a couple.

Only based on your extremely biased and warped logic.



Also, Ultimate Spiderman can explain alternate universes were things are different and not just take ten seconds for him to meet his older self and go "So, let me get this straight, you started like I did, grew up, got married, had a girl, eventually retired the costume, and your daughter got the spider powers too, grew up till she was about the age you were when you started, and started being as super hero?"

"About the size of it.".

But, why? What would be the point in terms of the story or characters? You're a writer, you have a 22-minute cartoon to give a half-baked message on girl power, then snort some cocaine off a high-priced callgirl and call it a day.



Again, doesn't track. But Quesada saying "No, in absolutely no universe do we acknowledge that it's even possible that Peter Grew Up, got married, had any children or stopped being spider-man, and we certainly don't knowledge above all else it was even possible to make it so he got married to MJ and there daughter became Spider Girl!" would explain it rather perfectly. In that I hate him with a white hot intensity of ten thousand suns kinda way.

Then Quesada laughed maniacally, threw his hands in the air and vanished in a ball of crimson flames... leaving behind the smell of sulphur and the anguished wails of the damned no doubt.



Also, if you think Just character Assassinating 1 or 2 characters is all that was wrong with OMD, then you might actually need to read it again. There's a LOT more crap in that book that should NOT be allowed to fly.

But, it's not Mein Kampf. Writing a bad comic, even one that now has as legendary a terrible status as One More Day, doesn't make him intent on draining the world of joy like a Carebears' villain.

I mean, this argument is pointless, you've clearly decided Joe Quesada could and has done nothing good in his life, and will be instrumental in ruining everything for everyone in the future whether it makes sense of not.

[Aotrs Commander]

I feel obligated to direct you to the Generation X (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2woRmWMhm0) TV movie. Failed TV pilot. For all your Jubilation Lee needs.

Been there seen that and the only character that, in the cold hindsight of time, was actually passingly close was Banshee.




edit: I don't know but people will view Jubilee in dim view based on animated series. Basically Superfriends Aquaman with fireworks.

You mean the the original 1990s show? The one that basically made her popularity what it is? What is essentially the paragon Jubilee? (For that matter, the one that single-handedly got me into superheroes AT ALL?) Where she cheerfully took down sentinels? And blew Sabretooth through a wall in the third apperance? And, demonstrating her growth, at the end of the series, she basically had to foil a plot by Apocalypse single-handed, with the only other X-men around a extra-mutated Beast?

That animated series?

No.

Not even remotely close.

[Metahuman1]

I don't need to demonize him. He does a near flawless job of doing that to himself on his own. I just hold him personally accountable for his BS. And if they needed to do that, they could have just said, "Yeah, were friends, been so for a long time. And this guy here is Harry Osborn." No need to take the time for Worst Decision EVER! In fact there's reason NOT to take the time for that under that circumstance, if that's all that it was about.



The intent was not to express general "Kissing is Yuck." but rather "These two characters kissing is Yuck they should not kiss it's wrong for these two characters to kiss.". To a demographic that considers Kissing the be-all-end-all of romance. Think about it.



Stan Lee voices the Janitor for Parkers Highschool, and the Janitor is drawn in his likeness. And he get's all kinds of little gags. Referencing other famous marvel talents as his old buddies he talks to, Lines like "Amazing Spiderman. That's pretty good, let me write that down.". And he's never named. No child is possibly gonna get anything going on with his screen time unless a parent or sibling or someone explains it to them.

And yes, they had at least 1 Ep (I don't know if they brought him back or not in seasons 2 and 3.) were Spider-man teams up with Deadpool. And he's, well, Deadpool. Sure, no actual blood, but that didn't stop them doing things like having a ton of swords rammed through him and the like. And he made it explicitly clear he was gonna kill people. Broke the 4th wall. Mercenary. Didn't use adult language but used obvious subs a fair bit. Deadpool. There is no way they get to just straight up plead "Ignore it it's a kids show!" after that.



There's no logic or narrative anyway. So that can't be it. And again, if they were just gonna straight up ignore it, they blew that chance inside of 60 seconds of introducing her with a totally needless (From the position your arguing anyway.) Worse Decision Ever crack. Unless, just maybe, it went a little deeper then that. (And while they could argue that this universe doesn't have that outcome, so far from what I've heard they've made a point that EVERY universes spiderman and MJ are basically like this. EVERY UNIVERSE! )



Consider for a moment this is a man who will call his company's entire readership and fan base past present and future loosers through the mouths of the characters given half a chance, and do it happily. Ask yourself if such a man can REALLY have something like that put past him.





You've got an entire season or more where the point is showing different possibility. It shows that that is a possibility. Ignoring it says that in ALL OF REALITY AND CREATION! there is no possibility that Peter Parker will ever grow up, get married (Particularly to MJ.) stop being spdierman, have any kids (Particularly a daughter with MJ.), and have an actual life or have his life improve. Period.




Actually he just stepped into the next room for Poker Night with Mephisto, Red Skull, Zodiac and Norman Osborn.. ... ... ... No. He's a different kind of problem. The self delusional kind who's convinced he's the good guy. It would be sad if it had a different track record. I will say no more on this point in observance with Board rules.




True. Doesn't mean he should just straight up get a pass and never be held accountable for negative consequences for his rather selfish actions. (And make no mistake, he has NEVER been made to actually suffer anything that means diddly since he became Editor in Chief over at Marvel all those years ago.)

And the man doesn't exactly help himself. He steals credit from rightful sources (Or at least fails spectacularly at even attempting to set the record straight and make sure the right people get credit when it's being wrongly given to him.), he uses the characters to straight up insult anyone who isn't a mindless lover of everything he casts his gaze upon, And he merrily destroys decades of character and memory for tens of thousands and more people just to serve himself. Maybe he's not the second coming of Hitler, but he's past deserving an unceremonious firing and blacklisting form Marvel and a full retcon of his BS.












Incidentally on a totally unrelated matter I keep meaning to ask. Who the heck is that in your avatar pic? It looks oddly familiar but can't seem to place it and it bugs me.

[TheThan]

Been there seen that and the only character that, in the cold hindsight of time, was actually passingly close was Banshee.



I thought it was alright. The basic plot is a little weird, what with the dream dimension and all. It's like they wanted to do this big thing on the astral Plane, but realized too late that only ONE of the characters is telepathic. So they rewrote it into "dream realm" or something. It really didn't work.

But really I'm OK with different versions of any given character, as long as they don't stray too far from the source material.

So I didn't mind Jubilee in that show. although she was a more of a delinquent than a mall rat.
I didn't mind Wolverine in X-Men evolution. He was this gruff mentor figure with a mysterious past, kinda cool.
But then I HATED what they did with Rogue. GRRR. She is NOT goth/punk. she's a Southern Belle. if you stray too far from that, then you ruin the character.

Same thing with Jubilee. She's at heart a bubbly valley girl. You change that too much and suddenly she's a completely different character. (besides, everything you need to know about her is in the name. )

[t209]

You mean the the original 1990s show? The one that basically made her popularity what it is? What is essentially the paragon Jubilee? (For that matter, the one that single-handedly got me into superheroes AT ALL?) Where she cheerfully took down sentinels? And blew Sabretooth through a wall in the third apperance? And, demonstrating her growth, at the end of the series, she basically had to foil a plot by Apocalypse single-handed, with the only other X-men around a extra-mutated Beast?

That animated series?

No.

Not even remotely close.
I don't know but she's one of the least favorite characters on X-Men show.
or the writers only watched the show and think that she's useless, which acted as a factor in turning her into vampire.

[Metahuman1]

Look, dude, I know nostalgia critic listed her on his top 11 dumbasses in distress (According to her 90's TV show iteration, and he was to be fair clear that he was not referring to the comics due to lack of knowledge at the time of her there. ), but I HONESTLY don't know anyone who really dislikes the character other then that video. Most people range from indifferent to more often, at least somewhat positive about her.



She's not like Jason Todd or anything.

[DiscipleofBob]

I honestly want someone to give X-Men the Amazing Spider-Man treatment and reboot the series, starting with the original five X-Men, Professor X, and absolutely NO Wolverine. Let him be a side character in the sequel.

A new season of Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes instead of Avengers Assemble nonsense.

Something Fantastic Four-related which doesn't suck.

Marvel 1602 as a period drama.

How about a set of novels telling the most prominent stories in Marvel's history, for posterity's sake so that reboots and One More Days don't ruin the history of the characters forever.

[Aotrs Commander]

I thought it was alright. The basic plot is a little weird, what with the dream dimension and all. It's like they wanted to do this big thing on the astral Plane, but realized too late that only ONE of the characters is telepathic. So they rewrote it into "dream realm" or something. It really didn't work.

But really I'm OK with different versions of any given character, as long as they don't stray too far from the source material.

So I didn't mind Jubilee in that show. although she was a more of a delinquent than a mall rat.
I didn't mind Wolverine in X-Men evolution. He was this gruff mentor figure with a mysterious past, kinda cool.
But then I HATED what they did with Rogue. GRRR. She is NOT goth/punk. she's a Southern Belle. if you stray too far from that, then you ruin the character.

Same thing with Jubilee. She's at heart a bubbly valley girl. You change that too much and suddenly she's a completely different character. (besides, everything you need to know about her is in the name. )

It was... adequate. It certainly could have been worse. But little more than that. At the time, I liked it, but older and wiser, it didn't age well.




Look, dude, I know nostalgia critic listed her on his top 11 dumbasses in distress (According to her 90's TV show iteration, and he was to be fair clear that he was not referring to the comics due to lack of knowledge at the time of her there. ), but I HONESTLY don't know anyone who really dislikes the character other then that video. Most people range from indifferent to more often, at least somewhat positive about her.



She's not like Jason Todd or anything.

Indeed. She's sufficiently popular (or at least with a vocal enough fanbase) Marvel have used her as marketing tool multiple times in the past ten-fifteen years (since Generation X ended), to my enormous annoyance; to the extent that themost recent adjectiveless X-Men run was their last chance not to screw it up before I gave up in disgust. (To be fair to that comic, until the end which I haven't quite read yet, they haven't, as their likely upcoming screw-up is likely to be more global.)

Making her a Vampire was almost literally the worst thing they could have done to her (the only thing worse they could possibly have done was make her a Shi'Ar or Gladiator), and the fact it didn't completely ruin her is remarkable. She manages to be awesome IN SPITE OF being a Vampire, which like, basically impossible.



The stupid part is, they didn't appear to even know what to do with her after they made her a Vampire. (And they flat out refused to let Majorie Liu, a major proponent of the character, do anything with her - and it took until the recent X-Men run that someone who actually appeared to know the character again was allowed to write her in.)

[Kitten Champion]

I honestly want someone to give X-Men the Amazing Spider-Man treatment and reboot the series, starting with the original five X-Men, Professor X, and absolutely NO Wolverine. Let him be a side character in the sequel.


Well, Wolverine is merely a rumoured cameo in Apocalypse - which is a continuation of what was as close to a flat out reboot as Fox's going to do - and it has all the original X-Men... except for Ice Man of course since they decided to make him more than a decade younger than the rest of the team.

As to Jubilee, I think it's possible she might have much the same purpose in Apocalypse she did in the 90's cartoon, as in the viewpoint character who (re)introduces us to the world and its characters through her suddenly being thrust into the plot. It's technically a role that could be done by any new Mutant character of which there are countless that still haven't appeared on camera in any meaningful fashion, but Jubilee does have name recognition and viable iconography, and perhaps more significantly Fox really wants more prominent Asian characters to appeal to the Pan-Asian market where these films really make money.

[t209]

Just read Guardians of the Galaxy comic, the pilot for upcoming Disney XD series.
Too bad that Gamora is portrayed as kind-hearted motherly women rather than a promiscuous and cold-hearted assassin from comics. Kinda like Kenshin from Samurai X except he's still badass despite his vows to not kill people. I mean had the movie should use Mantis or other "nicer" members.
I wonder if Peter Quill's mom had cancer from her dad, like Spiderman Reign.

[Thrudd]

Okay, so Disney is going to release Guardians of the Galaxy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLAU6jF0qwY) cartoon.
And it's Bendis' version (outlaws) rather than Abnett's Space commandos or 31st century version (Yodu, Major Victory, Charlie 27, and Martinex).
Fortunately, James Gunn said that he won't be touching Bendis version, which he might cast Mantis, Quasar, and/or Adam Warlock.
:smallannoyed:Just hope that they don't messed it up or managed to at least get Human Rocket Nova Corps.

That's weird, because the Bendis version is basically the movie version of the GotG, in terms of characterization (not the story). He might mean he isn't using J'Son as the father and no Spartax empire. It would be cool to see Mantis and Adam Warlock (and Cosmo with telepathy). Quasar has too much explaining to do, I think. Moon Dragon might be cool if they want to give Drax more back story, but that is also probably too convoluted, to explain how the daughter he thought was dead is actually alive.

[t209]

That's weird, because the Bendis version is basically the movie version of the GotG, in terms of characterization (not the story). He might mean he isn't using J'Son as the father and no Spartax empire. It would be cool to see Mantis and Adam Warlock (and Cosmo with telepathy). Quasar has too much explaining to do, I think. Moon Dragon might be cool if they want to give Drax more back story, but that is also probably too convoluted, to explain how the daughter he thought was dead is actually alive.
I mean James Gunn will not use Captain Marvel (the white lady, not a blue guy or alien white dude in Rick James' body), Agent Venom, Angela, and/or Iron Man.

[t209]

So I am feeling that there should be a sequel to Spectacular Spiderman instead of reviving.
Except it will be about Spiderman's daughter taking the role of her father, SPECTACULAR SPIDERGIRL.
As something to rub on Joe Q's face, one episode will have her trying to prevent Peter Parker from erasing his marriage with Mary Jane Watson :smalltongue:.
I don't know but I think I have low hopes for upcoming GOTG Cartoon since the comic will be based on MCU one. Guess USM Nova would still be annoying allies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP54PmUuv60
I know it's product placement but it's the closest thing we'll get to Secret Wars animated adaptation, other than Spiderman one (the 80s one, not the one where Hickman's too lazy to have Papa Nurgle storyline).