Mystic Theurge - Early Entry Status?

[MukkTB]

The FAQ (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qow) has nuked using spell-like abilities to qualify for early entry.

Heighten Spell (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/metamagic-feats/heighten-spell-metamagic---final) doesn't work with metamagic reducing traits or effects very well. Magical Lineage (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/magic-traits/magical-lineage) for example reduces the spell level it applies to. It has a FAQ (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qpo) itself.

Are there any remaining RAW ways to get early access, or is the party all over?
I would be satisfied by early access with one casting class and going the distance with the other.

And yes there are other ways to gain the flavor of a theurge using other rules. An ancient lorekeeper oracle works along with the witch, using variant multi-classing, and so on.

[Eldonauran]

The FAQ (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9qow) has nuked using spell-like abilities to qualify for early entry.

That's ... great news! I've always been against it in the first place. :smallsmile:


Are there any remaining RAW ways to get early access, or is the party all over?
I would be satisfied by early access with one casting class and going the distance with the other.

I would hazard a guess that the party is over. Early entry shenanigans through spell-like abilities was one of last, if not THE last, method of early entrance to classes that require a specific level of spellcasting to enter.


And yes there are other ways to gain the flavor of a theurge using other rules. An ancient lorekeeper oracle works along with the witch, using variant multi-classing, and so on.

:smallfrown:

[grarrrg]

Are there any remaining RAW ways to get early access, or is the party all over?
I would be satisfied by early access with one casting class and going the distance with the other.

And yes there are other ways to gain the flavor of a theurge using other rules. An ancient lorekeeper oracle works along with the witch, using variant multi-classing, and so on.

Yep. Party's over. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.

For "all in one" Theurge type stuff try the Off-List Spell Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?296803-Pathfinder-mini-guide-Casting-spells-from-other-lists).
The "easiest" is to go Razmiran (False Priest) Sorcerer, and just carry a bunch of Divine Scrolls.

[Kurald Galain]

Nope, the party isn't over.

You can use Equipment Trick (sunrod), which makes any first-level light spell count as a second level spell, explicitly for all purposes. So wizard 2 / cleric 1 is still a valid entry to Mystic Theurge, since he can cast (e.g.) Dancing Lantern as a 2nd level divine spell and a 2nd level arcane spell.

Yes, this is silly, and yes the GM should drop a heavy rock on your character, but yes this is RAW.

[Kraken]

Huh. Totally race agnostic, too. Hypothetically once you can 'organically' cast 2nd level spells, you could just retrain the feat, too.