A thought about Shinjo's failed resurrection *SPOILERS*

[BisectedBrioche]

Sorry if this has been said before (and that its somewhat ridiculous), but I just thought. Perhaps Shinjo died of a heart attack (provoked by the fear of being killed by Miko) as Miko was attacking him (the blow might not have taken all of his hitpoints off leaving him "free" to do so), thus he cannot be resurrected because he died of natural causes. In which case Miko still fell because a) she still technically caused his death and b) she tried to kill him anyway.

[Edivad]

I think the fact is that Shinjo CANNOT be resurrected because his soul DOESN'T want to. Someone mentioned he may be enjoying the Neutral Good afterlife, after all...

[No_constraints]

Well then, technically you would have to die instantaneously from someone's blow to be resurrected. In the days of sword your opponent wouldn't die the intant you hit him, short from cutting off his head. If shock, which is caused by blood loss and often results in a heart attack, were to stop people from being ressurected, ressurection would be useless in almost all circumstances. There are also spells which could cause instant death but those are unlikely.

In comic 407 he obviously didn't die instantly, because he said his last words and no more blows from Miko. So your theory is right, but it would be extremely restrictive on ressurection.

P.S. A heart attack is just a piece of the heart dying, which proves its likelihood. You could use this opinion in your own game though...

[Querzis]

Shojo...his name is Shojo. Except if you are talking about Shinjo, Hinjo long lost twin brother who doesnt have a goatee and is a blackguard.

[PlasticSoldier]

P.S. A heart attack is just a piece of the heart dying, which proves its likelihood. You could use this opinion in your own game though...

That would be a very unpopular thing to houserule in.

[fwiffo]

Shojo...his name is Shojo. Except if you are talking about Shinjo, Hinjo long lost twin brother who doesnt have a goatee and is a blackguard.

I thought that was his sister... You know, he is He-njo, and she is She-njo.

[Roderick_BR]

Did you see Dragon Ball Z? One character dies of a heart attack, but they managed to resurrect him, because his heart attack was caused by someone, so, technically, he was killed by the villain. A nice (or bribed) DM could allow that sort of thing happen. If Shojo haven't been nearly cut in half, he wouldn't have had a heart attack. Plus, his heart failure could be caused by the damage to his other internal organs, not just the shock at an old age, making the attack be the direcly cause of his death anyway.

[Assassinfox]

I didn't realize Hinjo's long lost sibling had heart problems.

[Milandros]

Actually, the cause of death was oxygen deprivation to the brain. It is pretty much every time that the cause of death isn't massive instantaneous damage to the brain.

OK, maybe he had a heart attack first that stopped the heart pumping, or maybe it was the fact that his blood was pouring onto the floor, but in the end it's brain death that matters - caused by massive blood loss, shock and oxygen deprivation.

No way a death by natural causes. If you beat somebody until their heart stops, or hammer on their chest unttil their heart stops, or cut them almost in two so their heart stops from blood loss and shock, it's not a "natural" heart attack, by any means.

[Pvednes]

Shojo...his name is Shojo. Except if you are talking about Shinjo, Hinjo long lost twin brother who doesnt have a goatee and is a blackguard.

He is also invulnerable except for the shin, due to some contrivance involving the river styx.

[Mewtarthio]

He is also invulnerable except for the shin, due to some contrivance involving the river styx.

But that would mean...

Quick! The paladins of Azure City must be warned to protect their leader's hin! Whatever that is!

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Back on topic, the only form of "death by natural causes" in DnD is "death by reaching maximum age." At that point, you keel over and die instantly and permanently. Heart attacks don't count.

Incidentally, it is possible, outside of Core, to induce death by natural causes (the Phane (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/abomination.htm#phane) springs immediately to mind).

[Setra]

I think...

If Miko didn't slice him in half.. he wouldn't have died.

So yeah...

[Baalzebub]

Anyway, Lord Shojo can't be resurrected because he does not wants to. Has Belkar pointed out.

[OOTS_Rules.]

Katana-to-the-back injury. Don't you know what SHojo's back was in front of his stomach?

[Bogardan_Mage]

Did you see Dragon Ball Z? One character dies of a heart attack, but they managed to resurrect him, because his heart attack was caused by someone, so, technically, he was killed by the villain.
Luckily for every spellcaster who doesn't want to spend seven rounds screaming before casting Fireball, D&D does not opperate to the same rules as DBZ.

In more detail, but less humourously phrased, the dragon balls are (AFAIK) capable of reviving people who died of natural causes. This situation in question, however, was an attempt to get a two for one deal. By wishing back everyone who was killed as a result of Frieza's actions, they brought back the other guy who brought back the other set of dragon balls. They could still have brought just him back, but they wouldn't have gotten everyone else at the same time, see? This is different, because there's only one person they're trying to revive and it doesn't matter if he "counts" as being killed by Miko if he also "counts" as dying of natural causes.