Draak_Grafula
2007-04-23, 04:21 AM
A couple of questions / remarks on these topics.
but first the quotes from the SRD.
spot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/spot.htm)
Action
Varies. Every time you have a chance to spot something in a reactive manner you can make a Spot check without using an action. Trying to spot something you failed to see previously is a move action (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#moveActions). To read lips, you must concentrate for a full minute before making a Spot check, and you can’t perform any other action (other than moving at up to half speed) during this minute.
hide (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/hide.htm)
Sniping
If you’ve already successfully hidden at least 10 feet from your target, you can make one ranged attack, then immediately hide again. You take a -20 penalty on your Hide check to conceal yourself after the shot.
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Action
Usually none. Normally, you make a Hide check as part of movement, so it doesn’t take a separate action. However, hiding immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/hide.htm#sniping), above) is a move action (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#moveActions).
Q1 Its unclear to me how often you get to spot "in a reactive manner" when someone is moving around hiding for a couple of rounds without doing enything else. In round by round action do you..
a) make a spot check (and hide check) every single move? (so twice when doing a double move)
b) make a spot check once every round while the hiding target is moving and does the target therefore make a new hide check every round?
c) Only reactive spotting when the target starts hiding and no new reactive spot until the target shows himself through an action and starts hiding again afterwards?
Q2 If you try 'to spot something you failed to see previously' you use a move action. Does the target roll a new hide check in this situation or does he use the check result you failed to beat with your spot earlier?
Q3 about sniping. When you want to ambush someone I find the following problem. Usualy you would get a surprise round (assuming noone has seen you yet.) Though sniping requires a standard (shooting) and a move (hiding) action. This make sniping impossible from the ambush perspective.
I think I've thought of a sollution for this but I'm not sure whether its fair.
So the question really is: Is the following a fair sollution for the problem stated above?:
Combat starts without the ambushed group knowing, the surprise round is forfitted. Round by round combat starts but the ambushed folls don't realise it yet. The sniper "'holds its action until all the group members had their turn". The thing here is that the group doesn't know somethings up yet so they use their tuns to travel. When all the group members had their turn the ambusher fires (standard) and hides (move). Ini is now rolled and the ambushers ini will be placed one point below the lowest rolled ini. (The ambusher holds his ini until the last group memer had its 'fictional turn' in order to ensure that the groupmember who actually rolled the highest ini also gets to act first.)
but first the quotes from the SRD.
spot (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/spot.htm)
Action
Varies. Every time you have a chance to spot something in a reactive manner you can make a Spot check without using an action. Trying to spot something you failed to see previously is a move action (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#moveActions). To read lips, you must concentrate for a full minute before making a Spot check, and you can’t perform any other action (other than moving at up to half speed) during this minute.
hide (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/hide.htm)
Sniping
If you’ve already successfully hidden at least 10 feet from your target, you can make one ranged attack, then immediately hide again. You take a -20 penalty on your Hide check to conceal yourself after the shot.
...
Action
Usually none. Normally, you make a Hide check as part of movement, so it doesn’t take a separate action. However, hiding immediately after a ranged attack (see Sniping (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/skills/hide.htm#sniping), above) is a move action (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm#moveActions).
Q1 Its unclear to me how often you get to spot "in a reactive manner" when someone is moving around hiding for a couple of rounds without doing enything else. In round by round action do you..
a) make a spot check (and hide check) every single move? (so twice when doing a double move)
b) make a spot check once every round while the hiding target is moving and does the target therefore make a new hide check every round?
c) Only reactive spotting when the target starts hiding and no new reactive spot until the target shows himself through an action and starts hiding again afterwards?
Q2 If you try 'to spot something you failed to see previously' you use a move action. Does the target roll a new hide check in this situation or does he use the check result you failed to beat with your spot earlier?
Q3 about sniping. When you want to ambush someone I find the following problem. Usualy you would get a surprise round (assuming noone has seen you yet.) Though sniping requires a standard (shooting) and a move (hiding) action. This make sniping impossible from the ambush perspective.
I think I've thought of a sollution for this but I'm not sure whether its fair.
So the question really is: Is the following a fair sollution for the problem stated above?:
Combat starts without the ambushed group knowing, the surprise round is forfitted. Round by round combat starts but the ambushed folls don't realise it yet. The sniper "'holds its action until all the group members had their turn". The thing here is that the group doesn't know somethings up yet so they use their tuns to travel. When all the group members had their turn the ambusher fires (standard) and hides (move). Ini is now rolled and the ambushers ini will be placed one point below the lowest rolled ini. (The ambusher holds his ini until the last group memer had its 'fictional turn' in order to ensure that the groupmember who actually rolled the highest ini also gets to act first.)