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Raezeman
2015-06-09, 04:41 PM
greetings all,

i might be needing a new character for a pathfinder game soon, and was thinking of a shield bashing two-weapon fighter. And yes, i have already looked up plenty of stuff on this, i would like advice on my current build. The focus of this build is a little more defensive type fighter then damage dea

For weapons, i was thinking (spiked) heavy shield in main hand and light weapon in off hand, instead of a one-handed weapon and a light shield. I would guess the damage is about the same on average, but you get 1 more AC that way and shield bashing is the focus of the build.

About the two-weapon warrior archetype, i was thinking yes. Though i am wondering, when i get improved balance, i will (probably) also take shield master, which already takes away the -2 on the shield's attacks when full rounding, so do i go for a one-handed weapon in the off hand, or take the less penalty on it?

For race, i'd rather not go human, orc or elf for roll-playing purposes, so probably half elf. And i was thinking to put the +2 on DEX. advice here?

And for feats, this is my current build:

1: Two-weapon fighting; improved shield bask
2: shield focus
3: double slice
4: weapon focus (shield)
5: weapon specialisation (shield)
6: power attack
7: improved two-weapon fighting
8: shield slam
9: greater weapon focus (shield)
10: greater shield focus
11: shield master
12: greater two-weapon fighting
13: greater weapon specialisation (shield)
14: penetrating strike
15: weapon focus (off hand weapon)
16: greater penetrating strike
17: weapon specialisation (off hand weapon)
18: greater weapon focus (off hand weapon)
19: greater weapon specialisation (off hand weapon)
20: combat reflexes


So, any advice? Any rearranging the feats around? Or adding/removing? I was also thinking of (greater) shield specialization, but it didn't really seem worth it. Neither did saving shield, bashing finish nor two-weapon rend. What is the rest of the thoughts on this?

I was also thinking the ray shield line of feats, but the disruptive and spell breaker don't tickle my fancy and missile shield seems to be not so useful when not going to ray shield as i'll be having high AC anyway, right?

Also, is double slice actually worth it? And what if we start at later level, like level 10, would double slice then still be worth it?

What off hand weapon do i go for. I was thinking kukri for the higher crit range, what say you?

And what enchantments do i get for the weapons. Shield master adds that shield bonus things to weapon and damage rolls for the shield, but that's only from level 11 onwards...

I appreciate all advice, except the kind in the line of 'just play a cleric instead'. Sources allowed are (probably) only core rule book and advanced player's guide.

friendly regards,
Raezeman

Extra Anchovies
2015-06-09, 04:46 PM
ETA: I had a bunch about third-party content here but I didn't notice your sources. Core+APG? Ouch. Not even UC and UM.

With your current build, you'll probably want to go with a one-handed weapon (scimitar, probably) because Power Attack doesn't go well with light weapons.

Snowbluff
2015-06-09, 04:48 PM
If you're interested, a Ranger might work. Now, I know I hate rangers, and you didn't want a class change, but it would solve your enhancement dilemma.

Raezeman
2015-06-09, 05:06 PM
ETA: I had a bunch about third-party content here but I didn't notice your sources. Core+APG? Ouch. Not even UC and UM.

Are there good options in UC and UM for two weapon shield bashers? I mean, it seemed the important stuff is most for core only anyway.



With your current build, you'll probably want to go with a one-handed weapon (scimitar, probably) because Power Attack doesn't go well with light weapons.
I seem to believe that with power attack, it doesn't matter what the weapon is (light or one handed) but how it's wielded (main or off hand), so i'll be bashing full force with my heavy shield, but less power with the off hand kukri, instead of power at full force with one-handed weapon and bashing weaker with the light shield. I'd say the only difference here is the AC of the shield used.

Raezeman
2015-06-09, 05:08 PM
If you're interested, a Ranger might work. Now, I know I hate rangers, and you didn't want a class change,

Rather fighter indeed.



but it would solve your enhancement dilemma.
how so?

The Random NPC
2015-06-09, 11:49 PM
I recommend using two shields instead, and also looking at the Shield Champion archetype of Brawler.

Bucky
2015-06-10, 12:08 AM
The strongest double-shield content is from Path of War; Snapping Turtle Stance (Iron Tortoise 1) or Pugilist Stance (Broken Blade 1) make your shield bashes do greatsword damage, while both disciplines have other useful maneuvers that you get free with the two feats (Martial Training 1+II) you need to pick up the stance.

Of course if you're not allowed to use Path of War feats, disregard.

The Random NPC
2015-06-10, 09:03 AM
Just found my thread on making a Shield Champion. Here you go (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?369797-Brawler-Shield-Champion&p=19378704#post19378704).