Arcane Disciple or Domain Sorcerer + Holy Warrior

[Yogibear41]

Does Taking Arcane Discipline (War) or using the variant sorcerer in complete champion for the war domain give you access to and the benefit from the Holy Warrior feat?

[Snowbluff]

Yes, I believe it would.

[Venger]

Does Taking Arcane Discipline (War) or using the variant sorcerer in complete champion for the war domain give you access to and the benefit from the Holy Warrior feat?

Correct.

Remember, while domain access gives access to the granted power, arcane disciple does not. in case you were planning to build off your free weapon focus.

[nedz]

Does Taking Arcane Discipline (War) or using the variant sorcerer in complete champion for the war domain give you access to and the benefit from the Holy Warrior feat?

Yes, though with Arcane Discipline you would have to consume a spell known too.

[Troacctid]

Arcane Disciple does not work. It doesn't give you access to the domain. It only adds the domain's spells to your class spell list and allows you to select them as spells known (with additional restrictions). That's not the same thing. Remember, the feat doesn't just require War domain spells to power the reserve ability, it also requires "access to the War domain" as a prerequisite; Arcane Disciple gives you the former, but not the latter.

Domain Access, however, does work, since the text explicitly says you gain access to the domain.

[Venger]

Arcane Disciple does not work. It doesn't give you access to the domain. It only adds the domain's spells to your class spell list and allows you to select them as spells known (with additional restrictions). That's not the same thing. Remember, the feat doesn't just require War domain spells to power the reserve ability, it also requires "access to the War domain" as a prerequisite; Arcane Disciple gives you the former, but not the latter.

Domain Access, however, does work, since the text explicitly says you gain access to the domain.

it does if you're one of the prixe fixe casters, but not for sorcerers, yeah.

[Troacctid]

it does if you're one of the prixe fixe casters, but not for sorcerers, yeah.

No, having the domain spells still isn't the same as having the domain. It doesn't work for fixed-list casters either.

[Venger]

No, having the domain spells still isn't the same as having the domain. It doesn't work for fixed-list casters either.

huh? AD adds it to your spell list. they know their whole list, so they know their new spells. it's why they often dip sand shaper and such.

[Troacctid]

huh? AD adds it to your spell list. they know their whole list, so they know their new spells. it's why they often dip sand shaper and such.

I didn't say they wouldn't know the spells. They just don't meet the "access to the War domain" prerequisite of the feat. Having access to a domain is a stricter requirement than having access to that domain's spells.

[nedz]

I didn't say they wouldn't know the spells. They just don't meet the "access to the War domain" prerequisite of the feat. Having access to a domain is a stricter requirement than having access to that domain's spells.

Do you have a rules citation for this ?

Otherwise it's just a question of interpretation.

I can offer the War Priest counter example which states that

A character who can cast at least one spell from a domain counts as having access for this purpose.

[Troacctid]

"Domain" is defined in the glossary as "A granted power and a set of nine divine spells (one each of 1st through 9th level) themed around a particular concept and associated with one or more deities." So that's what you need to have access to. There's also some rules about it in chapter 2 of Complete Divine that explain how access to a domain is different from access to domain spells.

Warpriest, incidentally, requires the ability to cast at least one spell from a domain--it does not require access to a domain.

[daremetoidareyo]

I read the situation the same as troacctid. Access to a domains' spells is not access to the domain. The war priest example is a case where the specifics of the RAW support your argument. Access to domains spells can't be combined with devotion feat either. If it is a sticking point, just ask yer DM to allow it...