Just the FAQ's Maam (PF recent FAQ rulings)

[grarrrg]

Time for another iteration of the beloved past time of checking the FAQ's for new stuff they mucked up.
Spoiler alert: Most of these are pretty boring, feel free to skip to the last one.


Alternate Ability Score Skill Checks (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9tga)
Short answer: If you somehow are using CHA instead of INT on a Skill Check, than that skill is now considered a CHA-based skill.
Exciting stuff right here.


Jumping (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9tf1)
If you have a 10ft. pit and roll a Jump Check good for 10ft. you CAN make it across the pit, as you are assumed to be jumping from edge-to-edge.
The exciting stuff continues!


Archetype Stacking (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9thg)
This one is mostly just (re)hashing (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fz#v5748eaic9sxm) out details. If one archetype replaces "Weapon Training 1" and another replaces "Weapon Training 2" you can stack them. If one replaces "Weapon Training 1" and another says "Weapon Training is now Underwater-Basket-weaving Training" they do not stack.
And, again, this comes with the "feel free to have your DM use common sense" rider.


Monk Ki Mystic does not get 2 Ki Pools (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9tig)
Not much else to say on this.


Courageous Weapon Property is now mostly junk (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1gg#v5748eaic9tf0)
"Increase all Morale Bonuses" is actually, and was always supposed to be "Increases all Morale Bonuses on Saves vs. Fear".
Barbarians around the world have just put down their weapons, briefly considered crying, then realized they are Barbarians and instead choose to punch the closest object/person/housecat.

[Yanisa]

Alternate Ability Score Skill Checks (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9tga)
Short answer: If you somehow are using CHA instead of INT on a Skill Check, than that skill is now considered a CHA-based skill.
Exciting stuff right here.

They don't address if you can add charisma on a charisma check (or strength on a strength check, etc). Especially in the scenario when that charisma check was originally not a charisma check. :smalltongue:

[Ssalarn]

They don't address if you can add charisma on a charisma check (or strength on a strength check, etc). Especially in the scenario when that charisma check was originally not a charisma check. :smalltongue:

Not sure what you mean. If it was an Int check and something makes it a Cha check for you, you don't add Int because it's not an INT check anymore. If it's an Int check that you add your Cha to as a bonus, you get both. Both outcomes are spelled out in the FAQ and seem pretty straightforward.

[animewatcha]

So now given the 'stat check ruling' how many different ridiculous stacking items and such can we do to initiative? Like changing initiative to be a charisma check so that one can add circlet of persuasion.

[Eldaran]

So now given the 'stat check ruling' how many different ridiculous stacking items and such can we do to initiative? Like changing initiative to be a charisma check so that one can add circlet of persuasion.

Noble Scion (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/noble-scion) now even better than before.

[grarrrg]

So now given the 'stat check ruling' how many different ridiculous stacking items and such can we do to initiative? Like changing initiative to be a charisma check so that one can add circlet of persuasion.

I'll get you started.
Yanisa's signature (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=17185279&postcount=2)
Then subtract anything that conflicts with this FAQ (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9sgk)

[Yanisa]

Not sure what you mean. If it was an Int check and something makes it a Cha check for you, you don't add Int because it's not an INT check anymore. If it's an Int check that you add your Cha to as a bonus, you get both. Both outcomes are spelled out in the FAQ and seem pretty straightforward.

Example: Noble Scion (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/noble-scion) + First in Battle (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/paladin/archetypes/paizo---paladin-archetypes/sword-of-valor#TOC-First-Into-Battle-Su-)

Noble Scion makes initiative a charisma check. First in Battle adds your charisma to your initiative, which is now a charisma check. It's technically adding charisma twice on the same d20, but the first one, noble scion initiative, isn't technically a bonus or something you "add" but the base check itself. (It goes against the spirit of the rules, so I am assuming it's a no go, but both side could be argues.)



So now given the 'stat check ruling' how many different ridiculous stacking items and such can we do to initiative? Like changing initiative to be a charisma check so that one can add circlet of persuasion.


One day I will update my insane initiative build, but circlet of persuasion isn't even the best (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/wondrous-items/wondrous-items/a-b/banner-of-the-ancient-kings) competence bonus out there. It is dirt cheap and easy to get.

Edit:


I'll get you started.
Yanisa's signature (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=17185279&postcount=2)
Then subtract anything that conflicts with this FAQ (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9sgk)

Basically 17 points lower, not sure if there is more then is wrong.

And I don't conflict with the rules, I skirt around the issue. The confusing nature is why I skipped updating the last time.

[torrasque666]

Example: Noble Scion (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/noble-scion) + First in Battle (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/paladin/archetypes/paizo---paladin-archetypes/sword-of-valor#TOC-First-Into-Battle-Su-)

Noble Scion makes initiative a charisma check. First in Battle adds your charisma to your initiative, which is now a charisma check. It's technically adding charisma twice on the same d20, but the first one, noble scion initiative, isn't technically a bonus or something you "add" but the base check itself. (It goes against the spirit of the rules, so I am assuming it's a no go, but both side could be argues.)
If my remembering of the FAQ is right, since one is "add a bonus equal to X to roll Y" and another is "Use X in place of Z for roll Y" they'll stack.

[Yanisa]

If my remembering of the FAQ is right, since one is "add a bonus equal to X to roll Y" and another is "Use X in place of Z for roll Y" they'll stack.

Problem is, it ain't in the Paizo FAQ's. Even now we have two of them this point is not addressed. :smalltongue: Like I said before both sides have a good argument and without Paizo stepping in there is no way to reach a consensus.* And because these things rarely happen I don't really expect an answer. There was like another one with intellect floating around, but I forgot the example. Just proves how obscure this issue is.

*Also I am trying to avoid to open the discussion here, hence everyone is right!

In any case it is good to have confirmation that Noble Scion makes Initiative a Charisma check. Upcoming errata for Courageous Weapon sucks. :smalltongue:

[Psyren]

The Courageous nerf sucks but it was expected as well.

The Archetype stacking and Ki Mystic ones were obvious and feel like a waste of ink to me. Combing through Cieryn's archetype combo guide it seems like we were already taking this ruling into account.

Now that they have a semi-regular FAQ schedule ("FAQ Fridays," plus the occasional ad-hoc and blog post) we should probably do these on a schedule too, maybe monthly?

[Ssalarn]

If my remembering of the FAQ is right, since one is "add a bonus equal to X to roll Y" and another is "Use X in place of Z for roll Y" they'll stack.

Yep. (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9sgk)

"An ability bonus, such as "Strength bonus", is considered to be the same source for the purpose of bonuses from the same source not stacking. However, you can still add, for instance “a deflection bonus equal to your Charisma modifier” and your Charisma modifier."

[animewatcha]

If my remembering of the FAQ is right, since one is "add a bonus equal to X to roll Y" and another is "Use X in place of Z for roll Y" they'll stack.

I asked about Oracle using revelation to switch dex to cha for reflex saves ( and ac, but not important ) and took Divine Protection ( or rather divine grace ). I was told that Cha is used once, not twice for reflex.

[Yanisa]

If my remembering of the FAQ is right, since one is "add a bonus equal to X to roll Y" and another is "Use X in place of Z for roll Y" they'll stack.

After a night of sleep, I have come to conclusion this argument was valid once, until after the second FAQ on the issue, the one in this thread. Let's just stop the debate here, if you want to know my full vision or discuss about it, I made a new topic for it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?424477-Replacing-and-Adding-the-same-ability-score-on-the-same-check-possible).