The Cleric: Now it's every class

[Snowbluff]

Someone said a party full of clerics was boring.

It's now time to reeducate him.

From this day forth, this thread will hold 1 build for a cleric: 2 domains (or Inquisitions), feats, race, traits, any Archetypes, and possibly 1 spell per level to replace classes that are not of the Cleric Master Race. Please assist me in this joyous venture. Hopefully this can be handy if someone needs a cleric build, so it can be a handbook, too. :smallsmile:

We will not use VMC, because that's like giving up. We can do this with just the Cleric, the most beautiful class ever conceived to...

fight vampires? What? :smallconfused:


Archetype: Hidden Priest


Domains: Strength
Scalykind (Venom)

Variant Channeling: Fire (Catch people in fire)


Feats: Throw Anything
Brew Potion
Selective Channeling (So that you only affects creatures within in a 3x3 zone in your burst)
War Blessing (Strenght and Scalykind)
Subtle Poisoner
Poison Focus.



Class Features:

Mutagen: Strenght Blessing (Strenght bonus) and Scalykind Blessing (Natural armor bonus).
Bomb: Variant Channeling (Fire), Selective Channeling, Throw Anything
Extract: Brew Potion, Hidden Priest (False Arcanist class feature)
Poison: Subtle Poisoner, Poison Focus




Domain: Rage
Inquisition: Anger

Feats:
1) Power Attack


Inquisition: Chivalry
Domain: Tactics/Glory

Feats:
Mounted Combat
Flag Bearer

Thanks Molosse (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19509710&postcount=65)




Archetype: Cloistered Cleric
Stats: Int=Wis>Dex>Con>Cha>Str
Feats: Amateur Investigator, Extra Inspiration, Studied Combatant, Improved Studied Combatant, Weapon Finesse
Domain/Inquisition: Knowledge/Trust/Conversion.

Thanks, Mollosse (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19507783&postcount=58)


Domains: Air, Earth, Fire, or Water and Destruction

Feats: Vital Strike
Blessed Hammer
Grasping Strike
Energy Channel
Winter's Strike



Domain: Animal
Domain: (Tactics?)

Feats:
1) Point Blank Shot
3) Rapid Shot
5)



Archetype: Ecclesitheurge
Domains: Whatever man

Feats:
Scribe Scroll


Thanks Graaaaaaaargg

[Extra Anchovies]

How close do we plan to stay to the classes emulated? Are we trying to copy their mechanics, or just their overall feel? It'll be hard for a cleric to get Sneak Attack, for example, but it would be trivial to make a stealthy cleric.

[Snowbluff]

How close do we plan to stay to the classes emulated? Are we trying to copy their mechanics, or just their overall feel? It'll be hard for a cleric to get Sneak Attack, for example, but it would be trivial to make a stealthy cleric.

As best as we can do, ol' chap. Feel is good, and mechanics would help that. :D

[Aditus]

Are the feats supposed to be in the order they're taken (1st feat at 1st level, 2nd at 3rd, and so on)? Because Power Attack requires a BAB of +1 which a Cleric, alas, does not have at first level.

If it's just "feats to take," then no objections here.

[Snowbluff]

Are the feats supposed to be in the order they're taken (1st feat at 1st level, 2nd at 3rd, and so on)? Because Power Attack requires a BAB of +1 which a Cleric, alas, does not have at first level.

If it's just "feats to take," then no objections here.

It's supposed to be an order, but Snowbluff didn't have a first feat to put there, so another Snowbluff put it in the "first slot" until the third Snowbluff had something else to put there.

[rockdeworld]

I tried to make a DPR cleric, and felt I couldn't do it well without a level of barbarian. I don't think PF clerics tank/DPR nearly as well as a Barbarian/Rogue/Summoner.

Having said that, a DPR cleric benefits from:

Race: Orc
Domains: Demon, Destruction
Feats: Power Attack, Furious Focus, Vital Strike, Quicken Spell
Spells: (Quickened) Divine Favor, Divine Strength, Righteous Might

[Snowbluff]

Try Litany of Righteousness, possibly with the Abundant Ammunition with Greater Named Bullet trick (arrows with spells on them are not magical), poached via Samsaran. For melee, use the arrows as an improvised weapon. :smalltongue:

Consistent double damage from your Litany, as you have way more spell slots of that level than the paladin.

[Extra Anchovies]

Using Samsaran feels like cheating. In that particular build it's Samsaran doing a lot of the heavy lifting, not Cleric.

Abundant Ammunition + GNB is a pretty neat trick, though.

[Ilorin Lorati]

How close do we plan to stay to the classes emulated? Are we trying to copy their mechanics, or just their overall feel? It'll be hard for a cleric to get Sneak Attack, for example, but it would be trivial to make a stealthy cleric.

Not as hard as you would think... (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/crocodile-domain)

[Snowbluff]

Using Samsaran feels like cheating. In that particular build it's Samsaran doing a lot of the heavy lifting, not Cleric.

Abundant Ammunition + GNB is a pretty neat trick, though.
You can note that it's not in the OP. I was just pointing this guy in the right direction. Spells will be just suggestions; these builds should work without them.

Thanks. :smalltongue:

Not as hard as you would think... (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/crocodile-domain)

Can you get druid domains on a cleric?

[rockdeworld]

For melee, use the arrows as an improvised weapon. :smalltongue:
I would be... hesitant to play a Samsaran in a class with a d8 hit die as a melee class.

The rest sounds pretty good.

[Ilorin Lorati]

Can you get druid domains on a cleric?

It depends on what would be considered to be "nature themed". Clerics of nature deities, at the very least, make a good argument.

[Extra Anchovies]

You can note that it's not in the OP. I was just pointing this guy in the right direction. Spells will be just suggestions; these builds should work without them.

Thanks. :smalltongue:

Fair enough. And you're welcome :smallsmile:


Can you get druid domains on a cleric?

Yup.

Other nature-themed classes with access to domains may select an animal or terrain domain in place of a regular domain.

So I guess my Sneak Attack skepticism just goes to show how easy it is to underestimate Paizo's dedication to making every class feature available through cleric domains.

[Milo v3]

I just want to say, I know clerics can cover every role amazingly well, it's part of the reason the class is tier 1. Doesn't mean the class isn't bland and boring, if anything that makes it more true.

[Snowbluff]

I just want to say, I know clerics can cover every role amazingly well, it's part of the reason the class is tier 1. Doesn't mean the class isn't bland and boring, if anything that makes it more true.

You see this? This isn't okay. He'll see, everyone. This isn't about T1. Chovies, you heard the thing I said about the spells being suggestions, right?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Clockwork%2771.jpg
We'll make him see.

[GoodmanDL]

Quick aside... my group played in an all Clerics party under 2nd edition. We were unstoppable

[MyrPsychologist]

Okay. Here is my attempt to avoid Samsaraan cheese but replicate a bard.

Domain 1: Knowledge
Domain 2: Charm

Archetype: Evangelist

Now you have performance. A fair potion of the spell list. and all knowledges are class skills. Add in the "Eternal Understanding" trait if you want to swap out the knowledge domain and you can just roll the skills untrained (if their DC is 15 or lower). If traits aren't allowed the Dilettante feat can also replicate this ability.

[Ilorin Lorati]

Evangelist only gets 1 domain.

[grarrrg]

Don't neglect Variant Channeling (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/variant-channeling), it can open up a couple options. But most of the effects are "until the end of your next turn" which limit their usefulness.

One of the more useful ones is Trickery: "Creatures gain a channel bonus on Bluff, Disguise, Sleight of Hand, and Stealth checks for 1 minute". Throw that on the Rogue (and Bard?) build. For that matter the Trickery Domain also adds Bluff, Disguise, and Stealth as class skills. Then throw on the Trapfinding Trait and there's half of your Rogue.


bard.

Domain 1: Knowledge
Domain 2: Charm

Archetype: Evangelist

Now you have performance.

Since you only get one Domain, scratch Knowledge.
For a Knowledge Bard you want Cloistered Cleric (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/cloistered-cleric), they get the "Bardic Knowledge" ability.

Alternate Bard option is Scroll Scholar (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/scroll-scholar), gets much more limited "Bardic Knowledge", but loses/gains different things.

Other alternate Bard option is the Conversion Inquisition (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/inquisitions/inquistions---paizo/conversion-inquisition), which lets you use WIS instead of CHA for Bluff Diplomacy and Intimidate. Being an Inquisition it doesn't play nice with all the "lose one domain" archetypes.


Crusader (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/crusader) is the Fighter. It gives Bonus Feats (some of which are "fighter only"). That's about it.

Additional Fighter option: Spellkiller Inquisition (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/inquisitions/inquistions---paizo/spellkiller-inquisition) gets Disruptive as a Bonus Feat (normally 6th level Fighter).


Ecclesitheurge (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/ecclesitheurge) is the Wizard of the group. If they wear any armor they lose their spellcasting ability (a.k.a. Mega Arcane Spell Failure). And they can swap around which Domain spells they can use everyday. Find a Deity with a good number of Off-List spells in their Domains and you're set.
They also get an "arcane bond object".


Herald Caller (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/herald-caller-cleric-archetype) is your Druid. You can spontaneously convert prepared spells into Summon Monster, but the creatures summoned must be "deity compatible". Follow a Nature one and you're good.


Black Powder Inquisition (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/inquisitions/inquistions---paizo/black-powder-inquisition) = Gunslinger. Add feats to taste.

[Jack_Simth]

One of the more useful ones is Trickery: "Creatures gain a channel bonus on Bluff, Disguise, Sleight of Hand, and Stealth checks for 1 minute". Throw that on the Rogue (and Bard?) build. For that matter the Trickery Domain also adds Bluff, Disguise, and Stealth as class skills. Then throw on the Trapfinding Trait and there's half of your Rogue.Combines well with the "Find Traps" spell. Hmm. Now all we need to do is find an archetype that increases the skill points... the Ascetic (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/kobold-press/ascetic), perhaps....

[Ilorin Lorati]

Combines well with the "Find Traps" spell. Hmm. Now all we need to do is find an archetype that increases the skill points... the Ascetic (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/kobold-press/ascetic), perhaps....

Well if 3pp is on the table that opens up a lot more options. Keeping just Paizo on the table, though, there are two that go passably with Int, Divine Strategist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/divine-strategist) and Forgemaster (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/core-races/dwarf/forgemaster-cleric-dwarf).

Strategist still chooses its (single) domain, so combine it with a handful of extra points in Int?

[Snowbluff]

I'll compile this into the builds tomorrow. I got work today.

[DMVerdandi]

Other alternate Bard option is the Conversion Inquisition (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/inquisitor/inquisitions/inquistions---paizo/conversion-inquisition), which lets you use WIS instead of CHA for Bluff Diplomacy and Intimidate. Being an Inquisition it doesn't play nice with all the "lose one domain" archetypes.



How do you get inquisitions as a cleric?

[Extra Anchovies]

How do you get inquisitions as a cleric?

They just sort of can. Ultimate Magic said a class that gets domains can pick inquisitions instead, Ultimate Combat said that only Inquisitors could take domains, and there was an FAQ ruling (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9oks) in favor of Ultimate Magic.

[Snowbluff]

Well, we'll just say that works then.

I started on wizard. I'll be able to pick this up after the party.

[grarrrg]

They just sort of can. Ultimate Magic said a class that gets domains can pick inquisitions instead, Ultimate Combat said that only Inquisitors could take domains, and there was an FAQ ruling (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1g1#v5748eaic9oks) in favor of Ultimate Magic.

The from book quote is:
"Inquisitions are intended for inquisitors, not for other classes that give access to domains. While a cleric or other domain-using class can select an inquisition in place of a domain (if appropriate to the character's deity), inquisitions do not grant domain spell slots or domain spells, and therefore are much weaker choices for those classes."

Translated as 'These be weaker than domains, cause you don't get no spells. But if you really want to, go ahead, I won't judge.'

Clerics count for them easy enough, as they have little restriction on Domains anyway.

Druids are a different issue, as they always have a short list they can pick from. It's conceivable that you can take an Inquisition aligned with a Nature deity. Ask your DM if Inquisitions are right for your Druid. But since they only get 1 Domain to begin with, they are much less likely to want to lose the bonus spells/slots.

[Extra Anchovies]

Ask your DM if Inquisitions are right for your Druid.

"Do not use Inquisitions if your druid is pregnant or nursing, and if any unexpected side effects arise, stop using the Inquisition and contact your doctor immediately."

[Snowbluff]

"Do not use Inquisitions if your druid is pregnant or nursing, and if any unexpected side effects arise, stop using the Inquisition and contact your doctor immediately."

"No one expects the side effect Inquisition."

[Illven]

This is kinda tempting me to request a 3.5 All divine spellcaster party.... :smalltongue:

[Extra Anchovies]

This is kinda tempting me to request a 3.5 All divine spellcaster party.... :smalltongue:

Beater cleric, summoner cleric, archer cleric, buffer cleric.

Actually it would be kind of interesting to try a 4-cleric party. But I'm in a lot of PbPs already so I'll just save that idea for later.

[Illven]

Beater cleric, summoner cleric, archer cleric, buffer cleric.

Actually it would be kind of interesting to try a 4-cleric party. But I'm in a lot of PbPs already so I'll just save that idea for later.

If you do it, send me a pm. :smalltongue:

[Snowbluff]

This is kinda tempting me to request a 3.5 All divine spellcaster party.... :smalltongue:
Well, that was the joke.

Beater cleric, summoner cleric, archer cleric, buffer cleric.

Actually it would be kind of interesting to try a 4-cleric party. But I'm in a lot of PbPs already so I'll just save that idea for later.

YEah, like every thread nowadays feels like it does this.

Honestly, if I were to do it in 3.5, I'd get a different PrC for each. Like a Dweomerkeeper, a RKV, a something, and a something.

[Kudaku]

Interesting! How about an investigator cleric? Gunslinger cleric?

[Snowbluff]

Interesting! How about an investigator cleric? :l

Does it really need anything past the rogue build we'll be doing? It's just skills for the most part, right?


Gunslinger cleric?

Well, Black Powder Inquisition and Amateur Gunslinger for starters, to be sure.

[Extra Anchovies]

:l

Does it really need anything past the rogue build we'll be doing? It's just skills for the most part, right?

Amateur Investigator and ranks in Craft (Alchemy).

Extracts can just be a refluff of spells.

[EdrickVonHaslen]

Hymnal Thumper - or the almost bard.

I was considering making one of these for RotRL. My Skald kicked the bucket in the Lamia fight. Wound up a TPK after the bloodrager (my wife) got dominated and wound up chasing me around the upper floor which we had seen fit to set on fire. (Sort of a party idiom in the campaign thus far)

Evangelist Archetype.

Inspire courage as a full bard with 9th level cleric spells. Stick Flagbearer on and attach a banner of the ancient kings to a stick or, even better, a courageous longspear and go to town. If you can find some way to buff up your intimidate or get it as a class skill, you could even go in for dazzling and disheartening display at some point later, though I'd personally shoot for more 'full caster' feats. Oh, the things you can do with spellsong. Spoony bards can only dream.

Human helps with the feats by a lot (there are so many excellent ones for a singing priest). Half-elf for the Fey Thoughts skills access. Get UMD as a class skill and pump it with the racial skill focus feat. Samsarans could pick up some cool litany spells that really fit the theme from the inquisitor spell list.

The spontaneous casting ability of the Evangelist is really keyed in to the 'sneaky enchanter' bard theme. Ditto some of the variant channeling abilities. Even reduced as it is, it could still be a viable buff to save spells or maybe last ditch heal, but that's what you do; you cover bases.

As for domains... Desna has a fantastic portfolio. Luck or Travel. Trickery is boss for skills that suit the theme. Fire is also interesting. Spellsong up a wall of fire maybe.

Only real issue is MAD; boosting charisma for the face skills, perform, and channeling while getting int up enough to generate bard level skill points, but then, you're a full spell caster. Warp reality so that you already accomplished the task for which you hadn't the forethought to equip yourself.

Deus Ex Camina

Edit:

Already discussed. Egg on my face.

Anyway. Spells to mimic spoonery:
1st - Moment of Greatness
2nd - Enthrall -or- Silence
3rd - Agonizing Rebuke
4th - Blessing of Fervor
5th - Greater Command -or- Forbid Action
6th - Heroes' Feast
7th - Waves of Ecstasy
8th - Euphoric Tranquility
9th - Overwhelming Presence

[grarrrg]

Already discussed. Egg on my face.

Anyway. Spells to mimic spoonery:
1st - Moment of Greatness
2nd - Enthrall -or- Silence
3rd - Agonizing Rebuke
4th - Blessing of Fervor
5th - Greater Command -or- Forbid Action
6th - Heroes' Feast
7th - Waves of Ecstasy
8th - Euphoric Tranquility
9th - Overwhelming Presence

*PSSST! There's an "edit" button!*

[EdrickVonHaslen]

*PSSST! There's an "edit" button!*

:smallcool: It's been a while. Thank you.

A Monk cleric can be simulated through devotion to Irori. Strength and Law domains. Law for the ability to align your fists. (If only he gave access to the Travel domain)

I don't know of any feat or ability that boosts your unarmed damage significantly into the realm of punching through schools, but maybe I haven't sifted enough. Enlarge person from the strength domain is always good for damage boosts. Additionally, you can deliver touch spells through an unarmed attack, gaining the damage and the spell effect as you strike. I haven't got the relevant text in front of me, but as I believe there was a stipulation about getting that strike as part of the spell casting. Even if it's not a viable tactic until you get quicken spell, you can still large fist an inflict serious or a bestow curse a round later when you've moved into position.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/kobold-press/ascetic
The Ascetic is a third party archetype, but it really fits (and is the only one i've found to do so).

As for the feats and spells, the archetype comes equipped with a slew of bonus feats that fit a monk's idiom and the ability to spontaneously cast some incredibly useful spells instead of cure or inflict spells.

Only problem is that I'm not sure what you're giving up for all these tasty abilities as it doesn't explain limitations or trade offs, just the cool stuff it can do.
(bonus feats comparable to a fighter, wis to unarmored AC, and wis bonus as some strange enhancement to physical stats that you can swap daily)

[Ilorin Lorati]

Only real issue is MAD; boosting charisma for the face skills, perform, and channeling while getting int up enough to generate bard level skill points, but then, you're a full spell caster. Warp reality so that you already accomplished the task for which you hadn't the forethought to equip yourself.

The Luck variant channeling and Fate's Favored trait, combined with the Fateful Channel feat, will help a bit.


http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/kobold-press/ascetic
The Ascetic is a third party archetype, but it really fits (and is the only one i've found to do so).

(*snip*)

Yeah ascetic is kinda broken. Unfortunately, I can't think of anything else that's Cleric-available that'll give armor bonuses based on Wis. I guess their armor spells could work, but that's kinda pushing it past what we really want here.

[LoyalPaladin]

I feel like it is appropriate for me to chime in and tell you that you are breaking my heart with this thread.

[Snowbluff]

I feel like it is appropriate for me to chime in and tell you that you are breaking my heart with this thread.

This is what people get for messing with me. :smalltongue:

[LoyalPaladin]

This is what people get for messing with me. :smalltongue:
Be considerate of your local paladin's feelings, Snow. Why you gotta do me like that?!

[illyahr]

Be considerate of your local paladin's feelings, Snow. Why you gotta do me like that?!

If it helps, I've always considered the Paladin to be a Cleric PrC with full BAB and 3/4 casting progression. If you use Charging Smite instead of Special Mount and use holy sword instead of remove disease it makes a very useful divine warrior.

See? I've spared a thought to the incredibly fluffy Paladin, LP. :smallsmile:

[LoyalPaladin]

See? I've spared a thought to the incredibly fluffy Paladin, LP. :smallsmile:
Thanks Illyahr, you always know the right song to make me feel better.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/e8cc08e4fe2120a22d02ea1a73a26b2e/tumblr_n3cgcgHyjP1tv082lo2_500.gif

[illyahr]

We, the under-utilized classes, must stand together against the tyranny of the tier 1 classes!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ysocvAzB1qjv6zxo1_500.gif

[Ilorin Lorati]

This conversation has got me thinking on how to make a paladin-cleric... one better than paladin in every way. There's a fair number of smite-flavored spells, and the channel smite feat will help as well. Divine Protection is obvious... Crusader and the Good Domain?

[LoyalPaladin]

We, the under-utilized classes, must stand together against the tyranny of the tier 1 classes!
Aye! We shall be a duo of legend. One that makes tier 1 classes shake in their boots. With my Code of Conduct and your Bardic Music, we shall become the tier 0 classes!

[illyahr]

Aye! We shall be a duo of legend. One that makes tier 1 classes shake in their boots. With my Code of Conduct and your Bardic Music, we shall become the tier 0 classes!

Exactly! We shall make the world tremble...as long as it doesn't interfere with the adoration of my fans and regulars. Or mess with my information brokers. Or the hordes of fawning tavern wenches. Gotta love the tavern wenches.

In fact, let's make a day of it. I'm sure world-trembling can wait for tomorrow, right?

[LoyalPaladin]

Exactly! We shall make the world tremble...as long as it doesn't interfere with the adoration of my fans and regulars. Or mess with my information brokers. Or the hordes of fawning tavern wenches. Gotta love the tavern wenches.
I think we should be fine. I mean, heck, I have an entire ACF designed for dealing with barmaids.


In fact, let's make a day of it. I'm sure world-trembling can wait for tomorrow, right?
I'm on call, but sure. Let's hit the town and bring down the house.

[Snowbluff]

Thanks Illyahr, you always know the right song to make me feel better.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/e8cc08e4fe2120a22d02ea1a73a26b2e/tumblr_n3cgcgHyjP1tv082lo2_500.gif


We, the under-utilized classes, must stand together against the tyranny of the tier 1 classes!

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5ysocvAzB1qjv6zxo1_500.gif

You see this? This exactly the kind of classism I'm fighting against.

[illyahr]

You see this? This exactly the kind of classism I'm fighting against.

Oh, don't be like that Snowbluff. You know we love you. :smallbiggrin:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2y41rmsvh1r9nkaoo1_500.gif

[LoyalPaladin]

Oh, don't be like that Snowbluff. You know we love you. :smallbiggrin:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2y41rmsvh1r9nkaoo1_500.gif
I'm actually concerned Snowbluff was using us like an abused chihuahua in a Sarah McLaughlan video. I think I even heard "Arms of an Angel" start playing for second.

[illyahr]

I'm actually concerned Snowbluff was using us like an abused Chihuahua in a Sarah McLaughlan video. I think I even heard "Arms of an Angel" start playing for second.

Really? I was getting something more along the lines of "down with the systematic suppression of high-tier characters by the low-tier masses" kind of feel.

[LoyalPaladin]

Really? I was getting something more along the lines of "down with the systematic suppression of high-tier characters by the low-tier masses" kind of feel.
Sometimes you just cant tell with Snowbluff. Ya know?

[Oazard]

The Magus:

Domain (at least one of the following, but two of them would be better): Air, Earth, Fire or Water.

Feat: Energy Channel (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/energy-channel).

If you want some debuffing on your "Spellstrike", add both Grasping Strike (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/grasping-strike-combat) and Winter's Strike (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/winter-s-strike-combat). (And they can be stacked on the same attack! :smallwink:)*

*With some retraining, I think you can have the complete feats set at level 9.

[squiggit]

There's a deity specific pathfinder feat that lets you deliver touch attacks through a warhammer though I can't remember the name of it. That's pretty spellstrikey.

[Oazard]

There's a deity specific pathfinder feat that lets you deliver touch attacks through a warhammer though I can't remember the name of it. That's pretty spellstrikey.

Found it, it's Blessed Hammer. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/blessed-hammer)

[Molosse]

:l
Does it really need anything past the rogue build we'll be doing? It's just skills for the most part, right?

I feel like that's a damn unfair judgment for a damn interesting class donchaknow?

In the feel of the thread however:

Investigator Cleric

Archetype: Cloistered Cleric
Stats: Int=Wis>Dex>Con>Cha>Str
Feats: Amateur Investigator, Extra Inspiration, Studied Combatant, Improved Studied Combatant, Weapon Finesse
Domain/Inquisition: Knowledge/Trust/Conversion.

[Snowbluff]

OOh, nice magus and investigator concepts. I'll work those in.


Oh, don't be like that Snowbluff. You know we love you. :smallbiggrin:

Everyone loves me. You're going to have to work harder than that to earn my blessing.

Really? I was getting something more along the lines of "down with the systematic suppression of high-tier characters by the low-tier masses" kind of feel.

This is exactly what I meant. People really seem to hate on the cleric. Renen just sent me a message about someone bad mouthing the class for no reason.

[Dusk Eclipse]

This conversation has got me thinking on how to make a paladin-cleric... one better than paladin in every way. There's a fair number of smite-flavored spells, and the channel smite feat will help as well. Divine Protection is obvious... Crusader and the Good Domain?

Getting access to the Littany of X spells might help with this.

[noob]

Is it possible to make a monk-like avatar with plant domain and fist domain(for extra duration if it works else rage is better) and the travel domain?(maybe some other choice might be better)

[Snowbluff]

Yeah, that's a start.

Getting access to the Littany of X spells might help with this.

That's what Samsaran is for, but I'm trying to avoid spell-based options so people can't say "this only works because of T1 spellcasting."

[Beowulf DW]

Fighter:

Crusader Cleric of Gorum (for the bonus feats and greatsword prof, respectively)

Domains: None that have powers that will specifically help you be a better fighter, but the spells from the Strength and War domains should help a bit. Travel Domain may be useful for the +10 to movement speed regardless of armor, but that helps pretty much everyone.

[ekarney]

EDIT: Damnit! I thought this was a 3.5 thread!
Oh well, I've written too much to delete this now, at least there's a base in case anyone wants to do this in 3.5?

Double Edit: The feats here are mainly recommended ones, I tried to keep it as feat light as possible for maximum player customising, but sometimes that can't be helped.

Edit III: Revenge of the Poster!: It shouldn't be too hard to adopt these to full/9th level casting models, I tried to keep as much casting where possible, but even where I haven't that's because I got a little over complicated with my thought processes, whoops.

I haven' read through this too much aside from the OP, so I'm probably swordsage'd but going off the PrC idea:
I have about 100 tabs open now from research :p
Artificer Cleric:
Domain: Artifice (ECS), Magic
Build: Cleric 12/Cannith Wand Adept 3/Combat Trapsmith 5 OR Cleric 10, Renegade Mastermaker 10, depending on flavour.
Feats: Whatever's required for the PrC's. Item creation feats.
Note: you could instead use Master Alchemist PrC, if you're dedicated to potions.

Cleric Cleric:
This one's more of a joke, so don't take it too seriously.
Domain: Healing or Life
Build: Cleric 15/Combat Medic 5
Feats: EVERY HEALING FEAT YOU CAN GET!

Rogue Cleric:
I had a bit of a tough time with this one, but I think I got it, and I'm still pretty indecisive.
Domain: Kobold, Treachery
Bonus Domain: Trade
Build: Cleric 10, Contemplative 5, Guild Thief 5. Or the other way around I dunno.
Feats: Anything required for the PrC's, Weapon Finesse, sneaky ones.

Alternate Rogue Cleric:
Bonus Domains: I dunno, just use this to make up for your lack of casting.
Build: Cleric 4(?)/Thief of Life 10/Sovereign Speaker 6(?)
Feats: Martial Weapon Proficiency I guess? Maybe you could swap out one of your Kobold domain to help with this.
You could mix these around, I'm really unsure about the Rogue Cleric.

Overlord Sergeant Jerk Supreme General Prime Minister Cleric:
Referring to the party leader. Don't expect this build to be allowed. I think I got a little carried away with this one.
Domains: Family, And one of the following; Artifice, Craft, Forge, Creation, Gnome
Build: Cleric 7/Death Master 1/Beastmaster 1/Techsmith 1/Warchief 9 or Cleric 6/Death Master 1/Beastmaster 1/Warchief 3/Techsmith 9 - This depends on the rulings for the Techsmith's Gondsman as to whether he only advances with Techsmith levels, or all levels.
Bonus Domain: This only applies if you go Techsmith 10, I'd advise fire or earth.
Feats: Skill Focus (Craft)(Handle Animal), Craft Wondrous Item, Leadership, Undead Leadership, Dragon Cohort, Dragon Steed, I think you get the gist of where this is going, using this build you can turn your party into a democracy, then have all your sentient friends vote you into power! Provided you're still concious after your Dm throws the DMG at your head, and the players throw their splatbooks at you. Expect a few d4's in there too.
Notes: I understand there'll be some alignment issues here, but honestly, if a DM is crazy enough to let you play this/You're the only player and need a tank, then alignment probably isn't an issue. I may have missed some BAB stuff here, if so I'm sorry, possibly use fractional BAB rules maybe?

Paladin Cleric:
Focussing on the more traditional role of Paladin, I've never played a Paladin, and my only tank-like charatcer as a Barbarian, so let's see how we go. I had a bit of fun here, so if it's a little unorthadox I'm sorry, I'm just trying not to go Cleric 20.
Domain: Elysium OR two of the following; Healing, Glory, Life, Spell, Protection, Retribution, Strength, I'd I'd probably go Retribution and Strength if you don't go with Elysium.
Build: (Lightbringer optional) Cleric 6/Martyred Champion of Illmater 9/Knight of the Sacred Seal 5
Feats: PrC requirements, Bind Vestige, Bind Vestige Improved, Improved Binding, possibly some sort of mount feat, like Dragon Steed.
Notes: KotSS if I'm correct, should allow you to bind vestiges at full power, instead of getting just one, I recommend Savnok for the heavy armour, Eurynome for the hammer, Aym for the dwarven step and flame cloak if you're going on foot, or if you're able to bind Andras, who effectively turns you straight into a Paladin, you may need a level or two in Binder for this but it gets rid of the feat tax right? Additionally, there's a buttload of PrC's for this style of thing, I liked the vibes from KotSS but I mean Hospitaler, Master of Radiance, Divine Champion, and even Flux Adept. This was a LOT of fun.

Wizard Cleric
I have an overwhelming desire to just write "Cleric 1/Domain Wizard 19" But I had a couple ideas. I mean, Cleric is a T1 full casting class it's already mostly a wizard, it's not too hard to get the feats a Wizard does, or a useless familiar that you don't want anyway.
Domain: Any, who cares you're a Wizard! I mean Cleric! Powerful. You're very powerful. That's what you are.
Build: Archivist 20 (What? it's a prepared divine caster?) OR Cleric 5/Wizard 5/Arcane Hierophant 10 OR Cleric 10/(Martial weapon class) 1/Sovereign Speaker 9 OR Wizard 10/Rainbow Servant 10.
Race: Unless you're going Arcane Hierophant this isn't important but if you are Bamboo Spirit Folk for trackless step.
Feats: If you're using Wizard as a multiclass or Archivist in there, you're gonna get MAD, take Academic Priest to fix that up, so that you don't need Wisdom for casting, if you're losing caster levels from multiclassing/PrC's take Practised spellcaster. If you're taking a free Cleric levels, abuse the hell out of extra spell, if your DM doesn't like it threaten to play the earlier mentioned Leader Cleric.
I put Sovereign Speaker in there for versatility and because it has a lot of Wiz/Sorc spells on it from the domains I'd say that's the closest you can get it to a Wizard.

Bard Cleric:
What?
Domain: Any of the following; Charm, Lust, Greed, Trade, Commerce, Nobility, Tempatation, or Pleasure.
Depending on how "classical" you want your Bard I'd go for Charm and Trade if you're going for the charming one who's good with money, or if you go for the Bard that ends up happening in D&D Lust and Temptation. I know.
Build: Cloistered Cleric 7/Rogue or Monk or Shadow Dancer 2/Wizard or Sorcerer or Wu Jen or Dread Necromancer or whatever 1/Fochulucan Lyrist 10 OR Cloistered Cleric 15/Evangelist 5 OR Cloistered Cleric 10/Warrior Skald 10.
Feats: Meh, shouldn't be too hard to figure out.

Monk Cleric:
Yeah. I know.
Domain: Man I don't know.
Build: Cleric 10/Sacred fist 10.
Feats: Whatever's required for the PrC's.
Notes: this wasn't much fun. but I mean, yknow, here it is.

Druid Cleric:
It's possible, kinda.
Domains: Passion and one of these; Animal, Bestial, Plant, and travel.
Build: Cleric 10/Bear Warrior 10 OR Cleric 5/Beast Master 10/Animal Lord 5 OR Cleric 10/Arachne 10/ OR Cleric 10/Forest Master 10 OR Cleric 8/Fighter 2/Primeval 10
Feats: Wild Cohort or similar
Notes: This is an exhausting process damn.

Well, there we go, as many classes as I could be bothered doing, it only took several hours but I mean hey, it's decent right?

I'm sure it's rife with rules mistakes, and things that shouldn't work but I'm sure these could be used as ideas to base better builds and concepts off.

[Molosse]

Now someone go ahead and make me an Alchemist Cleric. Go ahead. I dare ya'.

Oh, also:

Cavalier Cleric
Archetype: Divine Strategist/Crusader/None
Ability: Str>Wis>Con>Cha>Int>Dex
Domains/Inquisitions: Chivalry Inquisition and Tactics/Glory or Tactics/Glory alone
Feats: (Without Chivalry Inquisition) Animal Ally, Nature Soul, Boon Companion. (With Chivalry Inquisition) Mounted Combat, Flagbearer
Variant Channeling: Bravery/Valor

Flagbearer and the Variant Channel of Bravery/Valor happily make up for the loss of Banner while the Tactics Domain and D.Strategist manage to circumvent the need for a Tactician ability by providing team orientated buffs aplenty. Chivalry just gets your a horse with no fuss.

[Oazard]

Now someone go ahead and make me an Alchemist Cleric. Go ahead. I dare ya'.


Challenge accepted. :smallcool:

The Alchemist:

Archetype: Hidden Priest (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/hidden-priest) (With a successfull Craft (Alchemy) check, you can make your spells appear as "extracts".)

Variant Channeling: Fire (Creatures must make a save or catch on fire)

Domain: Strength, Scalykind (Venom)

Feats: Throw Anything, Brew Potion, Selective Channeling (So that you only affects creatures within in a 3x3 zone in your burst), War Blessing (Strength and Scalykind), Subtle Poisoner (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/subtle-poisoner), Poison Focus (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/poison-focus).

Class Features:

Mutagen: Strength Blessing (Strength bonus) and Scalykind Blessing (Natural armor bonus).
Bomb: Variant Channeling (Fire), Selective Channeling, Throw Anything
Extract: Brew Potion, Hidden Priest (False Arcanist class feature)
Poison: Subtle Poisoner, Poison Focus

[LoyalPaladin]

Everyone loves me. You're going to have to work harder than that to earn my blessing.
You could try falling asleep on Snow's floor. You might get a "blessing". As we've discovered.


This is exactly what I meant. People really seem to hate on the cleric. Renen just sent me a message about someone bad mouthing the class for no reason.
I warned them! They knew not what they'd done!

[illyahr]

You could try falling asleep on Snow's floor. You might get a "blessing". As we've discovered.

Does the world really need a bard with vampire powers? Even I recognize that as just too much. :smallbiggrin:

[LoyalPaladin]

Does the world really need a bard with vampire powers? Even I recognize that as just too much. :smallbiggrin:
No kidding. I didn't need to be a vampire, but here I am.

[illyahr]

No kidding. I didn't need to be a vampire, but here I am.

It's a good thing I found that helm for you. Yay, curses working for the greater Good. :smallcool:

[LoyalPaladin]

It's a good thing I found that helm for you. Yay, curses working for the greater Good. :smallcool:
Seriously a life saver. I'm a walking issue, but my level is large enough that the temple doesn't mind me. Seriously. Four months straight in the abyss to build up enough exp to buyoff all my templates.

[Zubrowka74]

This conversation has got me thinking on how to make a paladin-cleric... one better than paladin in every way. There's a fair number of smite-flavored spells, and the channel smite feat will help as well. Divine Protection is obvious... Crusader and the Good Domain?

The Destruction dom and Ferocity sub (wink wink) have similar smity abilities right from level 1 onward.

[Snowbluff]

You could try falling asleep on Snow's floor. You might get a "blessing". As we've discovered.

Does the world really need a bard with vampire powers? Even I recognize that as just too much. :smallbiggrin:
Again it's still his fault. It was his decision to sleep in three inches of blood.

[Molosse]

Challenge accepted. :smallcool:

Have a slow-clap sir or madam, bloody well done.

[LoyalPaladin]

Again it's still his fault. It was his decision to sleep in three inches of blood.
When I went to sleep, the area around my bedroll was spotless. I even mopped the floor with holy water!

[noob]

Do the priest and the priest are considered as being clerics?(one is great at simulating spontaneous casting and dealing huge damage and the other have 3 domains and the bardic knowledge both are super frail and have bad bba)

[Snowbluff]

When I went to sleep, the area around my bedroll was spotless. I even mopped the floor with holy water!

Yeah... you missed a spot. Every spot. This is what happens when you have no ranks in spot.

[LoyalPaladin]

Yeah... you missed a spot. Every spot. This is what happens when you have no ranks in spot.
Next time, I am filling your bathtub with holy water and sleeping in there.

[Snowbluff]

Next time, I am filling your bathtub with holy water and sleeping in there.

Well, the good news is that you can't drown. The bad new is that you'll burn alive. How do you have enough wisdom to cast paladin spells? :smallconfused:

[Red Fel]

Next time, I am filling your bathtub with holy water and sleeping in there.

That's... Not a bathtub. Have you considered investing in Knowledge (dungeoneering)?

[illyahr]

Next time, I am filling your bathtub with holy water and sleeping in there.

But...vampire...

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz334/jnr018/Manga%20and%20Anime/Swirly%20Eyes/GIFs/SwirlyDizzy24_zpsd532a41a.gif

[Oazard]

There is a profound lack of Not-Cleric!Cleric lately in this thread and this is heresy! I want to remember you that we are on a divine mission to replace each class with a cleric build.

At least, can we add Molosse's Cavalier!Cleric and my Alchemist!Cleric to the first post? :smalltongue:



Challenge accepted. :smallcool:

Have a slow-clap sir or madam, bloody well done.

And added to my sig'.

[Snowbluff]

Hopefully I'll have a chance to make these 1-20 builds sometime.

[noob]

How do you find a way to be able to find high dd traps?
There is no feat for that and there is no domains.
I really hate that arbitrary mechanism of "only rogues can use list X of skills" and it becomes even worse in unchained pathfinder(with even the absurdity they do even speak of forbidding unchained skills to non rogues while it should absolutely be a bard class feature too)
I think there should be an unchained bard but it is off topic.
So do anybody knows a way to trap find without using spell or using your player meta-game knowledge and paranoia or multi-classing with a class having it?
Else rogue priest needs:
Dwarf(see some traps) or elf(see secret doors)
Crocodile domain
Meta-game knowledge and paranoia.
Hermean Blood for open locks and some other class skill(since you will not be able to find traps and such kind of things)
Additional traits adding class skills thanks to those traits(two extra class skills)
Then if there is more ways to gain class skills someone can speak of it(with four class skills it is pretty underwhelming).

[Snowbluff]

How do you find a way to be able to find high dd traps?
There is no feat for that and there is no domains. There is a trait for disabling traps. (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/campaign-traits/mummy-s-mask/trap-finder) You don't need to be a rogue to see them. Ones you cannot perceive can be detected via detect magic or summons.


I really hate that arbitrary mechanism of "only rogues can use list X of skills" and it becomes even worse in unchained pathfinder(with even the absurdity they do even speak of forbidding unchained skills to non rogues while it should absolutely be a bard class feature too)


Yeah, rogues sucks.

[Oazard]

So, I heard you want a Rogue!Cleric?

Race: Human (Focused Study)
Variant Channeling: Trickery (Bonus on Bluff, Disguise, Sleight of Hand, and Stealth checks)
Domain: Crocodile, Trickery (Thievery)
Skills: Stealth, Perception, Disable Device.
Spells: Detect Magic, Find Traps, Invisibility (Domain) and any spells usefull for the job.
Feats: Flanking Foil, Shrewd Tactician (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shrewd-tactician-combat), 3 Skill Focus of your choice from Focused Study (Perception, Stealth and Disable Device), Alertness from your familiar
Trait: Trapfinder, Seeker (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/social-traits/seeker)
Ability score: Int, Dex and Wis

With all of this, you get Sneak Attack (Crocodile domain), big bonuses to important rogue's skills (Perception, Stealth and Disable Device + Thief of the Gods domain power) and "Uncanny Dodge" (Flanking Foil + Shrew Tactician).

And now, I want to play in a full party of Not Cleric!Cleric. :smallannoyed:

[noob]

I like your cleric rogue more than the normal one.
Great work.

[grarrrg]

I like your cleric rogue more than the normal one.
Great work.

I'd just like to point out that at least half of that build was already on the first page...

Not as hard as you would think... (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/druid/archetypes/paizo---druid-archetypes/animal-and-terrain-domains/crocodile-domain)

Don't neglect Variant Channeling (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/variant-channeling)
...
One of the more useful ones is Trickery: "Creatures gain a channel bonus on Bluff, Disguise, Sleight of Hand, and Stealth checks for 1 minute". Throw that on the Rogue (and Bard?) build. For that matter the Trickery Domain also adds Bluff, Disguise, and Stealth as class skills. Then throw on the Trapfinding Trait and there's half of your Rogue.

[Jack_Simth]

So, I heard you want a Rogue!Cleric?

Race: Human (Focused Study)
Variant Channeling: Trickery (Bonus on Bluff, Disguise, Sleight of Hand, and Stealth checks)
Domain: Crocodile, Trickery (Thievery)
Skills: Stealth, Perception, Disable Device.
Spells: Detect Magic, Find Traps, Invisibility (Domain) and any spells usefull for the job.
Feats: Flanking Foil, Shrewd Tactician (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/shrewd-tactician-combat), 3 Skill Focus of your choice from Focused Study (Perception, Stealth and Disable Device), Alertness from your familiar
Trait: Trapfinder, Seeker (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/social-traits/seeker)
Ability score: Int, Dex and Wis

With all of this, you get Sneak Attack (Crocodile domain), big bonuses to important rogue's skills (Perception, Stealth and Disable Device + Thief of the Gods domain power) and "Uncanny Dodge" (Flanking Foil + Shrew Tactician).

And now, I want to play in a full party of Not Cleric!Cleric. :smallannoyed:

You also need something to increase skill points! Maybe the Ascetic (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/kobold-press/ascetic) although that is 3rd party, or the Cloistered Cleric (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/cloistered-cleric) if it needs to be first party?

[Oazard]

You also need something to increase skill points! Maybe the Ascetic (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/kobold-press/ascetic) although that is 3rd party, or the Cloistered Cleric (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/cleric/archetypes/paizo---cleric-archetypes/cloistered-cleric) if it needs to be first party?

Well, if you add Cloistered Cleric, you loose proficiency with daggers. :smalltongue:

But yeah, Cloistered Cleric + Human + 14 Int = 8 skill points/level. Do we need more? :smallbiggrin:

[LoyalPaladin]

Well, the good news is that you can't drown. The bad new is that you'll burn alive. How do you have enough wisdom to cast paladin spells? :smallconfused:
I'm fairly certain vampire lords can survive holy water?


That's... Not a bathtub. Have you considered investing in Knowledge (dungeoneering)?
You're terrible to me! D:


But...vampire...

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz334/jnr018/Manga%20and%20Anime/Swirly%20Eyes/GIFs/SwirlyDizzy24_zpsd532a41a.gif
I can do it! If I believe hard enough!

[Dusk Eclipse]

Well, if you add Cloistered Cleric, you loose proficiency with daggers. :smalltongue:

But yeah, Cloistered Cleric + Human + 14 Int = 8 skill points/level. Do we need more? :smallbiggrin:

Need? Debatable since we would have spells to cover holes in skills (and make them redundant later on), but more skill points is always nice if possible.

[Milo v3]

Holy water's only like 1d6 damage or something anyway, the d10 HD of a paladin would be fine. The issue with the bath is more the fact that it'll float up into the air because of the lighter than air nature of holy water.... maybe put the tub upside-down and use it as a crude sky-canoe?

[illyahr]

Holy water's only like 1d6 damage or something anyway, the d10 HD of a paladin would be fine. The issue with the bath is more the fact that it'll float up into the air because of the lighter than air nature of holy water.... maybe put the tub upside-down and use it as a crude sky-canoe?

d12, cuz vampire, but that's not the point. The point is he wants to sleep in the tub of holy water. As in, constant immersion over the course of ~8 hours.

[Snowbluff]

I'm fairly certain vampire lords can survive holy water?

You're not a vampire lord. You're lucky not to be a vampire spawn.

d12, cuz vampire, but that's not the point. The point is he wants to sleep in the tub of holy water. As in, constant immersion over the course of ~8 hours.

It's almost as if he's asking us to Doomblade Erobos.

[LoyalPaladin]

d12, cuz vampire, but that's not the point. The point is he wants to sleep in the tub of holy water. As in, constant immersion over the course of ~8 hours.
Wait a second. Do I even have to sleep anymore?


You're not a vampire lord. You're lucky not to be a vampire spawn.
Why you gotta be like that? You're so cold to me. Speaking of cold. I am sad that our Myth-Weavers campaign kicked the bucket.

[Beowulf DW]

Fighter:

Crusader Cleric of Gorum (for the bonus feats and greatsword prof, respectively)

Domains: None that have powers that will specifically help you be a better fighter, but the spells from the Strength and War domains should help a bit. Travel Domain may be useful for the +10 to movement speed regardless of armor, but that helps pretty much everyone.

Reposting and editing the domain bit. The standard action activation and one round duration of a lot of the domain powers limits its usefulness to the cleric personally.

[Snowbluff]

Wait a second. Do I even have to sleep anymore?
Hence the "Doomblade Erebos" comment.


Why you gotta be like that? You're so cold to me. Speaking of cold. I am sad that our Myth-Weavers campaign kicked the bucket.

Yeah, it sucks, but that's life. :smalltongue:

[grarrrg]

Fighter:

Crusader Cleric of Gorum (for the bonus feats and greatsword prof, respectively)

Domains: None that have powers that will specifically help you be a better fighter, but the spells from the Strength and War domains should help a bit. Travel Domain may be useful for the +10 to movement speed regardless of armor, but that helps pretty much everyone.
Reposting and editing the domain bit. The standard action activation and one round duration of a lot of the domain powers limits its usefulness to the cleric personally.

Well, what does Gorum have:
Chaos
Destruction
Glory
Strength
War

Chaos isn't much "Fightery" (nor is the one allowed Sub-domain).
Destruction has Single Attack damage boost, and Aura Damage boost. The Single Attack would be decent before Iteratives. Also have access to the Rage Sub-domain, but we want a Fighter, not a Barbarian.
Glory...NEXT!
Strength, default Strength isn't that great, but it does offer Enlarge Person as 1st level Domain spell, and we can choose from any/all Sub-domains. Ferocity is worded differently than Destruction, it looks like this plays nice with Full Attacks.
War's 8th level power is pretty solid, and Fightery, gain a Combat Feat as a Swift Action. Sub-domain-wise Tactics is better than Blood, but neither really supports the Fighter-feel.

I vote for Ferocity & War.

[Beowulf DW]

I vote for Ferocity & War.

Seconded.

Excellent analysis Grarrg.

[Extra Anchovies]

Crusaders only get one domain. I'd go with Ferocity.

[Snowbluff]

Well, what does Gorum have:
Chaos
Destruction
Glory
Strength
War

Chaos isn't much "Fightery" (nor is the one allowed Sub-domain).
Destruction has Single Attack damage boost, and Aura Damage boost. The Single Attack would be decent before Iteratives. Also have access to the Rage Sub-domain, but we want a Fighter, not a Barbarian.
Glory...NEXT!
Strength, default Strength isn't that great, but it does offer Enlarge Person as 1st level Domain spell, and we can choose from any/all Sub-domains. Ferocity is worded differently than Destruction, it looks like this plays nice with Full Attacks.
War's 8th level power is pretty solid, and Fightery, gain a Combat Feat as a Swift Action. Sub-domain-wise Tactics is better than Blood, but neither really supports the Fighter-feel.

I vote for Ferocity & War.

Alright, I'll work this into the fighter entry soon. :smallsmile:

[grarrrg]

Crusaders only get one domain. I'd go with Ferocity.

Quiet you! I'm on a roll!

[LoyalPaladin]

Yeah, it sucks, but that's life. :smalltongue:
True true. Any chance of a GitP Regulars thread popping up soon?

[Snowbluff]

True true. Any chance of a GitP Regulars thread popping up soon?

I'm not sure on what to do next.

[Aditus]

I'm not sure on what to do next.

GitP regulars as cleric domains designed to let the cleric imitate other classes?

[Extra Anchovies]

Oooh, domains is a good one. Maybe domains/inquisitions, to accommodate people who don't want to compile a spell list?

[Snowbluff]

GitP regulars as cleric domains designed to let the cleric imitate other classes?
... Perhaps.

Oooh, domains is a good one. Maybe domains/inquisitions, to accommodate people who don't want to compile a spell list?

Yeah, except this is bad idea. 3.5 players get nothing out of an Inquisition, Domains are usable in PF and 3.5, and they are just weaksauce Domains anyway. Not to mention that the domain spells are the easy part; coming up with unique and interesting domain powers is way more challenging.

Even if I liked PF I wouldn't agree to it. :smalltongue:

[Extra Anchovies]

My other idea was Planar Locations (like the ones detailed in the 3.5 DMG, e.g. Sargasso Doldrum), Para-/Quasi-Elemental Planes, and Energy Planes (the chart here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Plane#Elemental_Planes) does a good job of showing the difference between the last three categories). Would be fun to have the Paraelemental Plane of Anchovies or whatever.

[Snowbluff]

My other idea was Planar Locations (like the ones detailed in the 3.5 DMG, e.g. Sargasso Doldrum), Para-/Quasi-Elemental Planes, and Energy Planes (the chart here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Plane#Elemental_Planes) does a good job of showing the difference between the last three categories). Would be fun to have the Paraelemental Plane of Anchovies or whatever.

Ooh planar stuff is good. I was hesitant at first, because it's not player material for PF (AFAICT), but I'll think about it.

Anchovies Plane would be a sub plane of water, right?

[Extra Anchovies]

Anchovies Plane would be a sub plane of water, right?

Probably between Water and Ooze (slimy fishies), tending towards negative energy (all those dead fish lying around). Maybe at the intersection of Water, Ooze, and Salt, even.

...damn it, I'm not supposed to write one for myself! :smalltongue:

Also I realized that the Energy Planes are just the Positive and Negative, so it would be GitP Regulars as Planar Locations and/or Para-/Quasi-Elemental Planes.

[LoyalPaladin]

I'm not sure on what to do next.
Affiliations were good. The most successful thread was probably feats... so maybe something that requires a little fluff mixed in with easy to figure numbers? Haha.


GitP regulars as cleric domains designed to let the cleric imitate other classes?
Oh. Like this.


My other idea was Planar Locations
Oh yeah! Zaydos really enjoyed this idea too.

[illyahr]

Affiliations were good. The most successful thread was probably feats... so maybe something that requires a little fluff mixed in with easy to figure numbers? Haha.


Oh yeah! Zaydos really enjoyed this idea too.

I like either of these. :smallsmile:

[Zubrowka74]

Probably between Water and Ooze (slimy fishies), tending towards negative energy (all those dead fish lying around).

...damn it, I'm not supposed to write one for myself! :smalltongue:

Also I realized that the Energy Planes are just the Positive and Negative, so it would be GitP Regulars as Planar Locations and/or Para-/Quasi-Elemental Planes.

Has to be near the Quasi-Elemental Plane of Salt, for sure!