SangoProduction
2015-07-07, 12:28 AM
I'm asking just because I thought the idea of forming a conga line of invisible allies was absolutely hilarious, and so I looked it up...no doubt to the detriment of my math test I have in the morning.
Turns out, under the cover rules, you grant cover to a unit, if you are between the unit, and the one you're blocking. Typical stealth, by RAW, requires you to have both cover and not be observed (presumably by those you are hiding from, but that's not stated, as it's assumed to be common sense).
So, someone has Hide in Plain Sight, or a similar ability that allows them to hide without cover/observation requirements, but they are still there, providing cover. They are still there in that square, regardless of not being seen, if I read this correctly. This is mostly because of the fact that it doesn't say you stop providing cover.
(And logically, it makes sense, as if you are standing in the way of an arrow, just because you aren't seen doesn't mean it won't hit you, instead of its original target...But you can probably see where I am going with this.)
Since you have someone who's stealthed, but still providing cover, someone can hide behind them, using that person as the prerequisite cover, so long as they haven't been observed while doing so. Which effectively makes that person invisible from anyone which an invisible person provides cover from --assuming their spot checks don't work--. (As such, a "wall" of HiPS characters would be most effective, to not give people a chance to see past the cover by walking a little to the side, but that's not the point!)
However, this person is also stealthed, ie. effectively invisible, and still provides cover. So, you stick someone else behind them. They would be getting cover from the people in front of them (regardless of the frontward people actually making their stealth checks), and could likewise make a stealth check. And, then the guys in the middle and front would also be getting cover from those from behind, making it even harder to deny their checks. And this goes on iteratively for as long as you want, or until the DM throws a book at you.
And then, with your invisible army, march up to the fort, and surprise attack them...from plain sight...lol.
Did I miss something, or misinterpreting it (leave out common sense, this is RAW we are talking about)?
Turns out, under the cover rules, you grant cover to a unit, if you are between the unit, and the one you're blocking. Typical stealth, by RAW, requires you to have both cover and not be observed (presumably by those you are hiding from, but that's not stated, as it's assumed to be common sense).
So, someone has Hide in Plain Sight, or a similar ability that allows them to hide without cover/observation requirements, but they are still there, providing cover. They are still there in that square, regardless of not being seen, if I read this correctly. This is mostly because of the fact that it doesn't say you stop providing cover.
(And logically, it makes sense, as if you are standing in the way of an arrow, just because you aren't seen doesn't mean it won't hit you, instead of its original target...But you can probably see where I am going with this.)
Since you have someone who's stealthed, but still providing cover, someone can hide behind them, using that person as the prerequisite cover, so long as they haven't been observed while doing so. Which effectively makes that person invisible from anyone which an invisible person provides cover from --assuming their spot checks don't work--. (As such, a "wall" of HiPS characters would be most effective, to not give people a chance to see past the cover by walking a little to the side, but that's not the point!)
However, this person is also stealthed, ie. effectively invisible, and still provides cover. So, you stick someone else behind them. They would be getting cover from the people in front of them (regardless of the frontward people actually making their stealth checks), and could likewise make a stealth check. And, then the guys in the middle and front would also be getting cover from those from behind, making it even harder to deny their checks. And this goes on iteratively for as long as you want, or until the DM throws a book at you.
And then, with your invisible army, march up to the fort, and surprise attack them...from plain sight...lol.
Did I miss something, or misinterpreting it (leave out common sense, this is RAW we are talking about)?