New Arcana bloodline power on a non-sorcerer? Help?

[Totema]

Let's say we have this scenario: An oracle who has just achieved 13th level picks for his feat Improved Eldritch Heritage (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/improved-eldritch-heritage), since he wants to advance his current Arcane Bloodline (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/arcane-bloodline) powers a bit (which he acquired from taking Eldritch Heritage (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/eldritch-heritage) at an earlier level, since familiars are pretty sweet). Since he likes spells more than metamagic, he chooses the 9th level power, New Arcana. Now, he's figuring out what spells to add to his list of spells known.

Depending on how the rules interact in this scenario, I see this playing out in one of two ways.

Improved Eldritch Heritage states that, for the purposes of his new power, he is treated as an 11th level sorcerer, meaning that, as the New Arcana power states, he can choose one spell. Since he is a 13th level caster, though, he can pick up to a 6th level spell.
Improved Eldritch Heritage states that, for the purposes of his new power, he is treated as an 11th level sorcerer, meaning that, as the New Arcana power states, he can choose one spell. Since his effective sorcerer level is lower, he can pick up to a 5th level spell.

I'm legitimately unsure which interpretation is correct. It basically comes down to, does New Arcana's "level that you are capable of casting" clause care about Improved Eldritch Heritage's limitation, or does it not? Any advice on this?

[Psyren]

"that you are capable of casting" means the limit goes all the way up to your maximum caster level, even if the arcana itself is at -2. That penalty is already factored into the fact that you don't get the arcana until 11 (while normal sorcerers get it at 9); it doesn't limit the spell you can choose as written.

[Totema]

"that you are capable of casting" means the limit goes all the way up to your maximum caster level, even if the arcana itself is at -2. That penalty is already factored into the fact that you don't get the arcana until 11 (while normal sorcerers get it at 9); it doesn't limit the spell you can choose as written.
Awesome, exactly what I was hoping for! :smallbiggrin: Thanks Psyren, you rock!

[grarrrg]

An oracle who has just achieved 13th level picks for his feat Improved Eldritch Heritage (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/general-feats/improved-eldritch-heritage), since he wants to advance his current Arcane Bloodline (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/arcane-bloodline) ....Since he likes spells more than metamagic, he chooses the 9th level power, New Arcana. Now, he's figuring out what spells to add to his list of spells known.

Do note that in order for it to actually do anything, the bonus spells must be on the Wizard list AND on the Oracle list (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9s54).

[Totema]

Do note that in order for it to actually do anything, the bonus spells must be on the Wizard list AND on the Oracle list (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9s54). Don't worry, I was already aware of this. :smallsmile:

Although... hypothetically, couldn't I add the spell to my lists of known spells anyway? I wouldn't be able to cast it unless I would somehow gain a bunch of levels in sorcerer, but just for the sake of clarity?

[Psyren]

You'd add it to your spells known, but without it being on your list I'm not sure what good that would do. It wouldn't help you activate any off-list spell-completion or spell-trigger items, for example.

Actually, grarrrg (had to look up the spelling again), a thought occurs - wouldn't VMC Sorcerer's version of the bloodline power let you do this? It's a class feature at that point - a secondary class feature, sure, but still a class feature, rather than a feat. It's a lot less mutable than the Eldritch Heritage line but it does give VMC Sorc a concrete advantage.

[grarrrg]

Actually, grarrrg (had to look up the spelling again), a thought occurs - wouldn't VMC Sorcerer's version of the bloodline power let you do this? It's a class feature at that point - a secondary class feature, sure, but still a class feature, rather than a feat. It's a lot less mutable than the Eldritch Heritage line but it does give VMC Sorc a concrete advantage.

A: You are seriously the only one who bothers trying to spell it correctly.
Even _I_ don't bother to spell it correctly all the time.

B: It should work. The question is, do the developers know that it should work? It still doesn't allow for "Paragon Surge" shenanigans, which is what the FAQ was made to prevent. So it should be fine getting it this way.