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AvatarVecna
2015-07-17, 09:22 PM
Let's make it work, people.

Renen
2015-07-17, 10:01 PM
So we gotta large...
I say we do:
Lycantrope trope to boost us to small (Unless hybrid Form can boost us all the way to large)
Half Minotaur and Half Ogre to boost us to medium and then large.

Necroticplague
2015-07-17, 10:27 PM
Half-Goristro sets your size to Huge. LA+4 kinda hurts, though. Not to mention the question of how such a being comes into being (one would think mechanical difficulties would get in the way).

ben-zayb
2015-07-18, 12:52 AM
I'm not sure whether Polymorph's "no smaller than Fine" limit adds to or replaces Alter Self's "within one size category" limit. But if it's the latter, an additional method to increase size is by being Polymorphed into a Forest Troll and then having Return to Nature cast on it to become a instantaneously small after the polymorph expires.
To accomplish this goal, Harry rode to Shaarmid to contract the services of a couple of NPC spellcasters. The first was a Wizard who cast Polymorph to make him a Forest Troll (Monster Manual III 179), a Medium Giant (5 HD, +5 LA); this spell cost CL 7 x 40 gp = 280 gp. The second (while Polymorph was still in effect) was a Druid who cast Return to Nature (Eberron Campaign Setting 114); the cost of this spell was CL 13 x 70 gp = 910 gp.



Return to Nature

Target: 1 living creature
Duration: Instantaneous

The target creature draws closer to an ideal state of nature, with specific effects that depend on the creature’s type and abilities.
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Giants subjected to this spell become smaller, as though affected by a reduce person spell (see page 269 of the Player’s Handbook). A successful Fortitude save negates this effect.

Harry willingly forwent the save and accepted the result (instantaneous change to a Small Giant). When the Polymorph spell expired, the original race (Human) returned while the size and (probably) type were fixed. (Note: it's possible that some DMs might have the character revert to Humanoid type when the Polymorph spell expires, rather than being fixed at Giant type by the instantaneous spell. That actually doesn't matter to this character, except Small Giant Human is more droll than Small Humanoid Human.)

Dusk Eclipse
2015-07-18, 01:54 AM
Why not the usual trickery of Goliath Stoneblessed + Goliath barbarian's mountain rage?

Chronos
2015-07-18, 08:54 AM
Petals are fey, not humanoids, monstrous humanoids, or giants, and so they can't take Stoneblessed. Figure out some way past that, though, and it'd work.

Story
2015-07-18, 10:35 AM
The usual answer to that is Dragonborn. The sidebar says you keep type, but the text says you become Humanoid.

Dusk Eclipse
2015-07-18, 10:55 AM
Human Heritage then Goliath Stoneblessed?

Necroticplague
2015-07-18, 11:15 AM
Human Heritage then Goliath Stoneblessed?

I'm not really sure there's any way petals can be said to qualify for Human Heritage.

Bad Wolf
2015-07-18, 11:22 AM
There's another thread for this, dudes.