By RAW can you be a vampire werewolf ninja / dread pirate?

[ericgrau]

Can you? Just curious. Vampire werewolf seems to work if you take vampire 2nd. And I'm assuming dread pirate isn't too strict.

Also might be tempted to play one without telling everyone in the group. I wouldn't hide it, but I would let them figure it out and then groan about it. Would also have to brush up on my tropes and play to all 4 stereotypes, while being loathed by all 4 groups.

[P.F.]

Can you? Just curious. Vampire werewolf seems to work if you take vampire 2nd. And I'm assuming dread pirate isn't too strict.

Also might be tempted to play one without telling everyone in the group. I wouldn't hide it, but I would let them figure it out and then groan about it. Would also have to brush up on my tropes and play to all 4 stereotypes, while being loathed by all 4 groups.

The level adjust on this is going to be absurd, though.

[Troacctid]

That would be +10 LA, right? Not including racial HD. So if you're okay with being 10 or more levels below your party members, sure. They'll probably figure out something is up when the first enemy attack drops you in one hit, though.

[P.F.]

Also you won't get the benefit of combined damage reduction since both are vulnerable to silver.

[ericgrau]

Jeebus I forgot vampires were LA +8. Are there any milder alternatives?

[martixy]

Yes, a sensible DM with a sense of humor and an appreciation for the rule-of-cool.

This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?394344-Optional-Gestalt-LA-gestalting&p=18696663) is one option.

[Extra Anchovies]

Dhampir (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-dhampir), maybe? They're half-vampires, and don't have any level adjustment.

[ericgrau]

Though while easy to drop vampires are hard to destroy. And a ghost step ninja especially wouldn't get attacked often. So it would be more like participating in 90% of fights and not participating in 10%, then returning 2 hours later after those. And only escaped foes or heavy handed DMs would actually hunt down the coffin. Still LA +8 is a pain in the butt to work with regardless.

Dhampir sounds good. Anything that is technically a vampire works for the joke.

[Vhaidara]

Consider going Warforged with Human Heritage, then contract werewolf, then get vamped.

Now you're a Robot Vampire Werewolf Ninja Pirate

[Telonius]

Consider going Warforged with Human Heritage, then contract werewolf, then get vamped.

Now you're a Robot Vampire Werewolf Ninja Pirate

Needs Druid/Warlock, so you can be a Robot Vampire Werewolf Ninja Pirate Transformer that shoots laser beams.

[Vhaidara]

Needs Druid/Warlock, so you can be a Robot Vampire Werewolf Ninja Pirate Transformer that shoots laser beams.

Don't forget the DFA dip so you can also breathe fire. And the Soulknife dip for a lightsaber.

Let's see...
Vampire 8/Werewolf 2/Druid 1 (Shapeshifter)/Ninja 1/Warlock 1/DFA 1/Soulknife 1/Dread Pirate 5?

[Troacctid]

Human Heritage is illegal on a Warforged, since they don't have any human blood in their family tree. They don't have family trees at all, actually.

[Taveena]

Human Heritage is illegal on a Warforged, since they don't have any human blood in their family tree. They don't have family trees at all, actually.

There was an industrial accident with the construction forge.
Still no family tree, but hey, there's some blood in there!

[Troacctid]

There was an industrial accident with the construction forge.
Still no family tree, but hey, there's some blood in there!

Well, if you're violating OSHA regulations, then it's illegal for a different reason. :smallwink:

[Ellowryn]

Human Heritage is illegal on a Warforged, since they don't have any human blood in their family tree. They don't have family trees at all, actually.

Lies! They do have a family tree! Its that Oak that they used for the plant matter for the Warforged insides.

[Vhaidara]

I seem to recall that Human Heritage required being descended from humans. Well, humans are the progenitors of warforged, therefore warforged are descended from humans.

[Troacctid]

Unfortunately that is not what "descended" means.

[AlanBruce]

They don't have family trees at all, actually.

https://i.warosu.org/data/tg/img/0303/80/1392954377537.jpg


Machines will always find a way...

[LogosDragon]

Unfortunately that is not what "descended" means.

This is 3.5 optimization. We can make it mean what we want. I'm certain there's a way.

[Troacctid]

This is 3.5 optimization. We can make it mean what we want. I'm certain there's a way.

There is: it involves starting as a human, then becoming a Warforged, e.g. via the Renegade Mastermaker prestige class.

[geekintheground]

Unfortunately that is not what "descended" means.

i dont see "descended" defined anywhere...

[torrasque666]

i dont see "descended" defined anywhere...
Where the glossary fails, to the dictionary we turn. Descend has three definitions:

move or fall downward.
make a sudden attack on
be a direct blood relative of (a specified, typically illustrious ancestor).


And hey, Warforged aren't blood relatives of anybody, being created rather than born.

[Hrugner]

i dont see "descended" defined anywhere...

"Well... by raw, it looks like you're all bastards!"

[Sapreaver]

What if you're a human turned in to a tree via that wujen spell, that tree is then made in to a warforged. Would that count for human heritage.

[Oberon Kenobi]

What if you're a human turned in to a tree via that wujen spell, that tree is then made in to a warforged. Would that count for human heritage.Well that sounds like a perfect RAW solution to the only flaw in this otherwise irreproachable plan to me! :smallbiggrin:

...Actually, wait, if you want to take descended as meaning that they have to have a human as an ancestor, you'd need to pluck an acorn off 'em, plant it and use that tree. Then we're gold.

[Draconium]

Where the glossary fails, to the dictionary we turn. Descend has three definitions:

move or fall downward.
make a sudden attack on
be a direct blood relative of (a specified, typically illustrious ancestor).


And hey, Warforged aren't blood relatives of anybody, being created rather than born.

But... but... The dictionary isn't RAW! :smalltongue:

Just let us have our Robot Vampire Werewolf Ninja Pirate Transformer that shoots laser beams, breathes fire, and wields a lightsaber!

[LogosDragon]

Where the glossary fails, to the dictionary we turn. Descend has three definitions:

move or fall downward.
make a sudden attack on
be a direct blood relative of (a specified, typically illustrious ancestor).


And hey, Warforged aren't blood relatives of anybody, being created rather than born.

I suppose you could arrange to move or fall downward from a human. It's the primary definition, after all. (Or make a sudden attack upon them, which the rules more clearly support... Would this require the Sudden Strike feature? :smalltongue: Then again, I don't think I could spin that as being descended FROM them... But the first definition works!)

[Heliomance]

Human Heritage is illegal on a Warforged, since they don't have any human blood in their family tree. They don't have family trees at all, actually.

How about if the Warforged was made with wood from a Dryad's tree, and said Dryad's grandmother got it on with a human?

[atemu1234]

How about if the Warforged was made with wood from a Dryad's tree, and said Dryad's grandmother got it on with a human?

This seems workable.

[Thurbane]

Spellwarped Crucian Ninja...

[Inevitability]

Human Heritage is illegal on a Warforged, since they don't have any human blood in their family tree. They don't have family trees at all, actually.

What if a half-human got PaO'd into a warforged?