Help with blood summoner eidolon[3.P]

[Bad Wolf]

Hello everyone, I'm playing in a pbp game here on the forums. It's gestalt, with one side being Bard/Seeker of the Song. The other side is Summoner, the Blood Summoner specifically.

Now I'm sort of new to pathfinder stuff, so I could use some advice on feats and how to mesh it well with Seeker of the Song. As for my eidolon I think I'm just going to go with the Thing From Beyond model they showed, unless you have a stronger one that keeps to the same theme.

[rockdeworld]

Is this the Complete Arcane Seeker of Song from 3.5, on top of the Pathfinder Bard? If you're allowed to use 3.5 material, I recommend Dragonfire Inspiration. With Combine Music you can play IC and DFI at the same time (or 2 DFI songs, if you have 2 different draconic bloodlines) and give the bonus to your eidolon. That would require Draconic Heritage if you aren't a dragonblood.

Other useful feats (for 3.5) available here: http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=8284

[AvatarVecna]

Lurkers gonna lurk...

Anyway, a couple tips, since the Bard half is more important:

1. Bardic Music will be your defining feature with a build like this; what it's capable of will define what your character is good at. If you've got a good selection of combat/noncombat music (as the standard bard does), you'll be able to apply yourself to several different situations with your music; similarly, since you're a summoner, taking the DFI Bard trick and combining it with Summoner summoning power gives you a massive combat boost, but at the cost of whatever it is you give up for the DFI bard trick.

2. If you're using the Pathfinder Bard, here's (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/test2) a well-crafted optimization guide that is based around usefulness in an actual game, rather than just pure by-the-numbers power.

Anything beyond that is dependent on what exactly you're going for: are your summoned creatures like backup dancers/singers, or are they more like stage hands helping set the stage of the world for your performance? Lots of possibilities.

[Bad Wolf]

Well I was going with the 3.5 Bard because thats what I'm more familiar with. Hadnt actually thought of DFI, guess I was focusing too much on the Seeker music.

And yes, they'll mostly be used for stage hand stuff between adventures, but I'm determined to use Planar Binding to get an imp to pick out all the non-red M&Ms in my dressing room.

[AvatarVecna]

Well I was going with the 3.5 Bard because thats what I'm more familiar with. Hadnt actually thought of DFI, guess I was focusing too much on the Seeker music.

And yes, they'll mostly be used for stage hand stuff between adventures, but I'm determined to use Planar Binding to get an imp to pick out all the non-red M&Ms in my dressing room.

Truly you have embraced the time-honored tradition of using magicks of world-bending power to force immortal extraplanar beings to perform incredibly demeaning and nearly entirely pointless tasks.

[Bad Wolf]

Truly you have embraced the time-honored tradition of using magicks of world-bending power to force immortal extraplanar beings to perform incredibly demeaning and nearly entirely pointless tasks.

:smallbiggrin:

He's an imp, its not that demeaning. Belial, on the other hand, is what I'm aiming for. I bet he's really good at separating them.

But enough about having an archdevil do a meaningless task. So what should I do with my eidolon? I was considering the Thing From Beyond model, but if anyone has any other ideas that stay with the whole 'Eldritch Abomination' theme, I'm all for it.

[Bad Wolf]

Um....bump?

[atemu1234]

Truly you have embraced the time-honored tradition of using magicks of world-bending power to force immortal extraplanar beings to perform incredibly demeaning and nearly entirely pointless tasks.

Hey, Faust did it.

[Bad Wolf]

Hey, Faust did it.

I wouldn't call giving him unlimited power 'nothing'....

[Bad Wolf]

Bump, I could use some help with planning out the eidolon.

[AvatarVecna]

Bump, I could use some help with planning out the eidolon.

It might help to change the thead title to mention the summoner, or eidolons, then. Also, if I insist that I'm the real head advocate for Sorcerers around here, due to my awesome Sorcerer build, do I get my head back? :smallamused::smalltongue:

[Bad Wolf]

It might help to change the thead title to mention the summoner, or eidolons, then. Also, if I insist that I'm the real head advocate for Sorcerers around here, due to my awesome Sorcerer build, do I get my head back? :smallamused::smalltongue:

Hmm...ill get back to you on that.

And yeah, I should probably change the title.

[rockdeworld]

Here's an eidolon that does a lot of damage while maintaining survivability. (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mhpi&page=7?The-DPR-Summer-Olympics-or-What-are-we#324)

Saph's guide to Summoners (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?184592-3-P-The-Summoner-s-Handbook-A-Guide-to-the-Pathfinder-Summoner) has advice for eidolons and some sample builds that aren't bad (like the pouncer).

[Bad Wolf]

Here's an eidolon that does a lot of damage while maintaining survivability. (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2mhpi&page=7?The-DPR-Summer-Olympics-or-What-are-we#324)

Saph's guide to Summoners (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?184592-3-P-The-Summoner-s-Handbook-A-Guide-to-the-Pathfinder-Summoner) has advice for eidolons and some sample builds that aren't bad (like the pouncer).

Can't believe I missed that guide. Though reading through it, I notice that they never mention tauric or avian eidolons. Are they really that bad?