Recent Pathfinder FAQ changes: Bloodrager Dragon Disciples work now!

[grarrrg]

I think we're up to seven now?
one (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?312200-Recent-Pathfinder-FAQs-%28end-of-Oct%29)
two (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?314867-Recent-Pathfinder-FAQs-%28Mid-Nov%29)
three (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?361574-Recent-Pathfinder-FAQ-Rulings-Tier-0-Paragon-Surge-is-Dead)
four (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?376893-Recent-Pathfinder-FAQs-Pummeling-gets-Pummeled)
five (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?409309-Recent-FAQ-Update-quot-Bigger-Boat-quot-is-DEAD!-%28also-Adv-Firearm-Reload%29)
six (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?415583-Recent-FAQ-Scorpion-Whips!-Rage-Bonuses!-1-5-DEX-with-Curve-Blade!)
seven (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?424405-Just-the-FAQ-s-Maam-%28PF-recent-FAQ-rulings%29)
Hmmm...looks like we're up to Eight (could be Nine...WHO KNOWS!?)
Note: I only keep track because Psyren gets persnickety if I don't

There's a more detailed explanation of how Wild Armor works (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9tl1).

(all the rest are from the Advanced Class Guide, so I'm only linking once)
LINK (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1gw)
*Bloodrager+Dragon Disciple works how you think it's supposed to, but it's official now!

*Investigators can NOT use Spell Trigger items (but Alchemists still can).

*Slashing Grace does NOT work with ANYTHING in the other hand. Except for that thing that works if it's in the other hand.
I'd like to take a bit to point out a bit of stupidity:

Slashing Grace: ...what exactly does it mean that “You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied?”... Can I use flurry of blows?
"This does not work with Flurry"
"But can I use it with Flurry?"
"NO! What did I just say!"

*Steadfast Personality only works on Mind-affecting effects.

[Psyren]

Glad the Bloodrager thing was settled. The Investigator thing was unnecessary, but they do get Device Talent so UMD is fairly easy for them.

The rest we already knew about more or less.

EDIT: You should clarify that Slashing Grace does work with a buckler, but only because it's not considered to be "in your hand."

[grarrrg]

EDIT: You should clarify that Slashing Grace does work with a buckler, but only because it's not considered to be "in your hand."

Eh, I figure if someone is concerned enough they'll click the link and read the entire entry, I just do the cliff notes version:http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/cheers/images/6/67/Cliff1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100503042339
And in my defense I did write "Except for that thing that works if it's in the other hand", which points out that there is at least something that works in the off-hand.

[Sayt]

Slashing Grace Doesn't work with spell combat?

All Hail Scimitarus, Lord of spellpokes!

[Xerlith]

Slashing Grace Doesn't work with spell combat?

All Hail Scimitarus, Lord of spellpokes!

Wait until they nerf it too. That Slashing Grace errata is so pointless it hurts.

[Squirrel_Dude]

Slashing Grace Doesn't work with spell combat?

All Hail Scimitarus, Lord of spellpokes!It doesn't work with spell combat, or with a dagger, (http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Dgrdb.jpg) or a rope, (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DIPGM34_5LA/UoU3zxKH3_I/AAAAAAAACH4/3d2RckeHX68/s1600/QDLobbyFight.jpg)

I'm sure it's working as intended. :smalltongue:

[grarrrg]

It doesn't work with spell combat, or with a dagger, (http://www.kismeta.com/diGrasse/Dgrdb.jpg) or a rope, (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DIPGM34_5LA/UoU3zxKH3_I/AAAAAAAACH4/3d2RckeHX68/s1600/QDLobbyFight.jpg)

You will not Slashing on a boat.
You will not Slashing with a goat.
You will not Slashing in the rain.
You will not Slashing on a train.
You will not Slashing in a box.
You will not Slashing with a fox.
You will not Slashing in a house.
You will not Slashing with a mouse.
You will not Slashing here or there.
YOU WILL NOT SLASHING ANYWHERE!

[animewatcha]

Flurry doesn't work with slashing grace? I spend the entire flurrying attack routine attacking with one weapon in my main hand, leaving my 'offhand' to be doing nothing.

Did I blow their minds?

[Hrugner]

Slashing Grace Doesn't work with spell combat?

All Hail Scimitarus, Lord of spellpokes!

did they clarify that "occupied" meant either busy doing something or holding something rather than one or the other? Did they clarify if a hand being reserved as open(deflect arrows) for one ability counted as occupied?

[Sayt]

did they clarify that "occupied" meant either busy doing something or holding something rather than one or the other? Did they clarify if a hand being reserved as open(deflect arrows) for one ability counted as occupied?

They just blacklisted a whole bunch of stuff, spell combat included.

[Hrugner]

They just blacklisted a whole bunch of stuff, spell combat included.

yeah I saw "You do not gain this benefit while fighting with two weapons or using flurry of blows, or any time another hand is otherwise occupied" but since it doesn't specify occupied as being holding something or doing something and there isn't an official definition of "occupied" I don't think it's perfectly clear. I'm assuming it's either holding something or doing something which does prevent spell combat.

However, both slashing grace and deflect arrows require that hand to be empty, does the requirement that a hand be empty count as that hand being occupied? If the requirement to keep a hand unoccupied doesn't take up the hand's value as an unoccupied hand for other uses, then could a spell combat magus use a still spell so that the hand isn't required to cast, and spell combat's only claim to that hand becomes a requirement that it stays free?

[Psyren]

However, both slashing grace and deflect arrows require that hand to be empty, does the requirement that a hand be empty count as that hand being occupied?

No, a free hand is free. You could for instance have a character holding a weapon in one hand and nothing in the other, and that character could have Slashing Grace, Deflect Arrows, and Snapping Turtle Style all active at the same time, and that same character could cast an immediate action spell with that free hand without losing any of the benefits of the other three things.

[Ninjaxenomorph]

Wow. That's... Wow. At least Fencing Grace still exists.

[Psyren]

Wow. That's... Wow. At least Fencing Grace still exists.

Yep - so Magi are all going to be using either Scimitars or Rapiers it looks like.

[Ninjaxenomorph]

Just the dex-based ones, at least. Fencing Grace at least lets you used buckler.

[Kurald Galain]

Yep - so Magi are all going to be using either Scimitars or Rapiers it looks like.

Or waraxes, urumi, quarterstaves, whips, terbutje, or metamagic rods (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?423754-Myrrh-Frankincense-and-Steel-Kurald-Galain-s-Guide-to-the-Magus) :smallbiggrin:

[Psyren]

You're right, with Agile + Effortless Lace there are many more options, I just have an aversion to planning a whole build around those two being available.

Granted, you can just rely on spellstrike damage too.