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Xuldarinar
2015-08-02, 04:11 PM
Earlier I was thinking of a question and it is as follows: What would happen if one attempted to, or succeeded even, in converting a portion of an individual's body into an undead creature?

Now, this notion is addressed within one 3rd party spell which is the form of undead that first came to mind, animate living skeleton (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/3rd-party-spells/kobold-press-open-design/animate-living-skeleton), but what do you think of the notion in general?
Do you think it is a notion that should be further explored?
Could it ever be to the benefit of the individual?


And, in a not entirely unrelated question, given the diversity of some undead, what is the maximum number of undead creatures that can be derived from a single individual, and what are the undead creatures?

Jormengand
2015-08-02, 04:40 PM
What would happen if one attempted to [convert] a portion of an individual's body into an undead creature?

The spell would fail and be wasted.


This spell turns corpses into undead skeletons or zombies that obey your spoken commands.

Skeletons: A skeleton can be created only from a mostly intact corpse or skeleton. The corpse must have bones. If a skeleton is made from a corpse, the flesh falls off the bones. Editor's Note: The bloody skeleton and burning skeleton variants are created by use of the animate dead spell but count as double their normal HD when doing so.

Zombies: A zombie can be created only from a mostly intact corpse. The corpse must be that of a creature with a physical anatomy. Editor's Note: The rule regarding costing double HD for creating variant bloody skeleton and burning skeleton variants was not included in the fast zombie and plague zombie variant zombie template details. It is left to the GMs discretion if that rule would apply to creating variant zombies.
If you ever try to cast a spell in conditions where the characteristics of the spell cannot be made to conform, the casting fails and the spell is wasted.

Milo v3
2015-08-02, 08:33 PM
I've had a player who did this, though with deathless and positive energy rather than undead. It'd mainly be a source of debuffing and save or dies.


The spell would fail and be wasted.

This isn't asking about the animate dead spell.

Jormengand
2015-08-02, 08:39 PM
This isn't asking about the animate dead spell.

Then the answer is still "The spell would fail and be wasted" because it targets one living creature.

Milo v3
2015-08-02, 08:47 PM
Then the answer is still "The spell would fail and be wasted" because it targets one living creature.

What? The text of animate dead is irrelevant in this case... There could be a touch spell that does something like supercharging an enemies arm with negative energy, causing it to fall off and become a Crawling Hand that immediately tries to kill the creature it was "born" from, possibly with a higher level version where bones of the hand tries to burrow itself out of the victim's hands rather than just falling off.

There are undead that are already just body parts, like Crawling Hands, Beheaded, and Isitoq. So obviously there are methods to animate body parts. You can also make necrocraft that are just hundreds of arms.

atemu1234
2015-08-02, 11:00 PM
Jorm, we're talking about something other than just Undead creating spells.

OP, sounds to me like you could use being pointed to Undead Grafts from Libris Mortis. Something like that fit your idea?