Unseen Wagon Type Spells?

[kalos72]

So in my campaign, I need two things and wanted some ideas:

1. Unseen Wagon style of "wondrous device" that I can give to my merchants to help move cargo around town and port. I was just going to do Boon Traps of Unseen Wagon around town and let them help themselves.

2. Something that can move 5ft x 5ft x 10ft blocks of granite around the outer walls as I rebuild them. I THINK they must run like 10 tons each or something.

[Bronk]

You could use 'Shadow Wagons'... They would have the added benefit of not adding to or being held up by traffic.

http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031110a (partway down the page)

[kalos72]

For the typical wagon, even something like Tenser's or something. Now if I could increase the carrying capacity that would be the answer.

I was thinking of using Planar Binding and moving the rocks with Earth Elementals? Could they push the rock with Earth Glide maybe? Or I could go something like the Earth Sled from Eberron.

The Suspension spell from Shining South holds promise, question is does Levitate/Suspension allow for lateral movement as well as horizontal? Now that the stone block if off the ground, how do you move it?

[kalos72]

The FLY spell covers the stone maybe? It doesnt list a weight limit just "heavy load" at a reduced movement rate.

A spell that combines Fly and Suspension?

[nedz]

2. Something that can move 5ft x 5ft x 10ft blocks of granite around the outer walls as I rebuild them. I THINK they must run like 10 tons each or something.

5ft x 5ft x 10ft ~= 6.75 m3
Density of Granite = 2.6 - 2.7

=~ 17.9 Metric Tonnes.

If you want any other kind of Ton then you can apply the relevant conversion factors.

Alternatively just cast Wall of Stone and then maybe Fabricate — or buy a Lyre of Building.

[kalos72]

That was the idea actually...

1. Use Wall of Stone to make a stone block 5x5x10.
2. Use Boon Trap of Great Stone Metamorphosis to turn the block into white granite.
3. Use new block for walls


But I didnt want the process to be "seen" by the locals, was going to "ship" it in or "mine" it locally. Hence the need for transport...

[nedz]

Wait for the locals to go to bed
Cast Wall of Stone in situ
Cast Illusory Wall, multiple times most likely, to clad the stone in whatever decor you want

[kalos72]

I could always go Boon Trap of Fabricate on the back of a wagon, using a white granite block as "raw material" and 5x5x10 white granite carved blocks fall out the back. :)

And just have it run the wall as the Lyre's of Building need more material...

[Bronk]

I could always go Boon Trap of Fabricate on the back of a wagon, using a white granite block as "raw material" and 5x5x10 white granite carved blocks fall out the back. :)

And just have it run the wall as the Lyre's of Building need more material...

At that point, why not have a chain of traps on the wagon to get what you want (or a spell clock), and turn the wagon invisible with yet another trap?

[kalos72]

Well, I am TRYING not to get too cheesy with the spell traps so I wanted it to look as legit as possible.

But I think the wagon is better then "making" it some place else, bringing it through a portal in town and still having to move it. I dont want my other locations to be known...