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13ones
2015-08-07, 05:10 PM
Title says it all, really. I'm looking to build a class that can lay down heavy fire, summon demons, and manipulate foes. I've sort of narrowed it down to a Summoner, Cleric, or Sorcerer but I'd like to get your opinion, see if other people want to weigh in on this at all and maybe point me towards some cool ideas.

Ger. Bessa
2015-08-07, 05:48 PM
Drow of the underdark has an alternative option for wizards called "abyssal specialist". You specialize in "evil" spells instead of a school, along blasty things (Includes hellfire, every spell summoninga demon and energy drain iirc). Otherwise, Fiendblooded (HoH) has funny things, accessible by wizard through the "spontaneous divination iirc.

A "good" one would obviously be a malconvoker. Google it for its very detailed handbook.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2015-08-07, 05:59 PM
The whole summoning demons shtick is more about having a persistent companion than using summoning spells. I'm not familiar with Pathfinder, but if this were 3.5 I would recommend taking Improved Familiar (with Obtain Familiar if necessary) for an Imp or Quasit, and using Polymorph to turn it into a physically powerful outsider. It looks like Pathfinder's Polymorph line of spells are wildly different though, so I'm not sure how you would do this within those rules.

Sayt
2015-08-07, 06:14 PM
Wizard or Cleric into Blackfire Adept seems pretty Warlock-y, and has the added flavour of actually making mechanical pacts with evil outsiders.

Brova
2015-08-07, 06:23 PM
Does planar binding and/or planar ally (and lesser/greater versions of such) still exist in Pathfinder? That's the pretty classic "pet demon" spell.

Alternatively, take Leadership and have a demon as a cohort. I wouldn't recommend it in 3.5 (LA is the suck), but IIRC the rules for monster PCs got much nicer in PF.

IZ42
2015-08-07, 06:37 PM
Drow of the underdark has an alternative option for wizards called "abyssal specialist". You specialize in "evil" spells instead of a school, along blasty things (Includes hellfire, every spell summoninga demon and energy drain iirc). Otherwise, Fiendblooded (HoH) has funny things, accessible by wizard through the "spontaneous divination iirc.

A "good" one would obviously be a malconvoker. Google it for its very detailed handbook.

Please actually read the title. He asks for Pathfinder, not 3.5.

To answer your question, OP, Summoner can do summoning pretty well, but isn't as good for the other options.

I would actually suggest Oracle, which is the divine sorcerer, pretty much, but sorc also works. Planar binding is a thing. Use it. Use it well.

Optimator
2015-08-07, 08:43 PM
I'd say a Wizard with good spell selections is the best way to do it. Planar Binding and stuff.

NomGarret
2015-08-07, 09:17 PM
You're looking at some sort of summoner/witch hybrid. You want the summoner's eidolon for your demons and you want the witch's spells and hexes. Unfortunately outside of a gestalt game there's no clean way to merge the two. They are two classes you don't want to multiclass out of, and to my knowledge there's not a strong archetype that does the trick.

You could stick with witch and bump your familiar, but in WoW terms that basically sticks you with the imp.

TiaC
2015-08-07, 11:30 PM
I recommend a Sorcerer into Diabolist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/c-d/diabolist) (Two or three levels is probably enough). That gets you a scaling demon companion. I would also recommend you take the Damnation (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/damnation-feats) feats, as they work very well with the Channel Hellfire ability.

Mithril Leaf
2015-08-08, 12:01 AM
I recommend a Sorcerer into Diabolist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/c-d/diabolist) (Two or three levels is probably enough). That gets you a scaling demon companion. I would also recommend you take the Damnation (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/damnation-feats) feats, as they work very well with the Channel Hellfire ability.

The Imp Companion seems like a really competent ally, I never realized they got double druid levels for each level of Diabolist. If you extrapolate the tables you should have upwards of 20 HD on the Imp by level 20. Plus nice strength and dexterity bonuses.

Gnorman
2015-08-08, 01:37 AM
Please actually read the title. He asks for Pathfinder, not 3.5.

Isn't it supposed to be backwards-compatible though? I don't think the feature in question implicates any major Pathfinder changes.

I would also plug the Malconvoker, which is probably quite simple to port into Pathfinder.

Anlashok
2015-08-08, 02:00 AM
I second Diabolist. It's really the only way to emulate the whole warlock package. Summoner on its own lets you companion better and would let you emulate some of the other demon pets better, but can't blast. Straight sorcerer/wizard can blast, but your companions are on a timer.

So... be that.

Taveena
2015-08-08, 02:55 AM
This spell (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/h/hellfire-ray) pretty effectively mimics a Destruction Warlock. It's going to be basically impossible to build an Affliction Warlock in Pathfinder due to the extremely short nature of most combats (ever tried levelling an Affliction Warlock in a party with a Combat Rogue and a Fury Warrior? It's like that.) This spell (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/c/create-soul-gem) gives you the good ol' Drain Soul feels, and this (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/souleater) class perfectly fits the renewable soul-consumption nature of an Affliction Warlock.

However, if you want to focus on demons, frankly a Summoner - unchained or not - is pretty much ideal. You can play a (Cata/MoP) style Demonology Warlock using Merge Forms as a Metamorphosis-alike. You can get the Imp Swarm with your Summon Monster spells, or have one massive-ass Infernal/Doomlord/Felguard/Wrathguard shred **** up with base Summoner.

So. What aspect of Warlock are you most interested in?

13ones
2015-08-12, 05:34 PM
Well as my main specs in WoW are Destruction and Demonology I'd have to say demons and 'splosions are my bread and butter.

I've been looking at summoner or an admixture wizard for these purposes.

charcoalninja
2015-08-12, 08:40 PM
Well as my main specs in WoW are Destruction and Demonology I'd have to say demons and 'splosions are my bread and butter.

I've been looking at summoner or an admixture wizard for these purposes.

Samsaran Crossblooded sorc dragon/orc 1 / Summoner rest.

Use Mystic Past Life racial to add Cha mod spells to your summoner list like:
Scorching Ray
Fireball
And maybe... Not sure, Something destructiony.

Crossblooded Sorc gives you Scorching rays that deal 4d6+8 damage per ray for 12d6+24 damage from a second level slot, empowered via a rod for 18d6+36 damage from that 2nd level slot once you've Empowered it. Plus you still have an Eidolon.

Go Synethist if you want that whole petless summoner vibe.

13ones
2015-08-12, 08:55 PM
Thats....actually really clever. I completely forgot Samsarans were a thing, mostly because they were never super interesting to me.

Pyromancer999
2015-08-12, 10:24 PM
If you're not adverse to third-party material, Spheres of Power's Incanter can do the job. You get a busload of feats, and can specialize in any sphere(May want to go for Conjuration or Destruction), and just have to take your talents from the Mind & Illusion(deception), Destruction(blasts), and Conjuration(demon companions) spheres.

If you want to stick first-party, Occultist might do it for having all of those things, especially summoning outsiders. Dips in Kineticist can pick up some at-will blasting, and Mesmerist can help with manipulating minds and such. Summoner is also a good option, but mainly sticks to summoning, so depends on if you can pick up some blasting/enchantment spells from somewhere for that one.

13ones
2015-08-13, 06:58 AM
Is there any way to get spontanious casters down to summoning as a standard as opposed to a full round action? If so the Abyssal bloodline sorcerer looks incredibly appealing! Especially with the huge bonus you get to summoning demons [flooding the board with demons by level 12!] and the generally spectacular arcane spell list it basically makes itself. If its possible it'd make an incredibly powerful Warlock.

charcoalninja
2015-08-13, 07:22 AM
Thats....actually really clever. I completely forgot Samsarans were a thing, mostly because they were never super interesting to me.

Using the Samsaran trick on a Synethist ends up giving you a pretty faithful rendition of Vegeta. Takes a minute to power up (summon the eidolon), you can punch the crap out of things (arms and claws flavoured as unarmed strikes), you can fly (evolution) blast things (sorc spells poached) and power up even further (Haste). Another 2 level dip into master of many styles monk gives you Wis to AC and the snake style feats for wicked mean counterpunching.

Was a fun play experience.

SangoProduction
2015-08-13, 08:04 AM
If this is pathfinder, why not just make an Eidolon your "demon" and then take some other stuff for the other powers?

Reltzik
2015-08-13, 08:15 AM
Also, look at the Blood Summoner and Spirit Summoner (with a Flame spirit) archetypes. Unfortunately you can't take both at the same time.

Psyren
2015-08-13, 08:44 AM
Sorcerer VMC Summoner gets you the eidolon, which can become the Voidwalker, Felguard, Infernal, and Doomguard. Imp, Felhunter and Succubus abilities will require Planar Binding or other tricks on your part.

13ones
2015-08-13, 08:57 AM
Sorcerer VMC Summoner gets you the eidolon, which can become the Voidwalker, Felguard, Infernal, and Doomguard. Imp, Felhunter and Succubus abilities will require Planar Binding or other tricks on your part.

VMC? Whats that?

Psyren
2015-08-13, 09:04 AM
VMC? Whats that?

Variant Multiclassing (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/character-advancement#TOC-Summoner), a system introduced in Pathfinder Unchained. Basically you choose a second class, give up 5 feats, and in return you get 5 (usually diluted) class features from the class you chose.

13ones
2015-08-14, 10:05 PM
Yeah, Unchained isn't permitted in this game yet. too "new" for my GM.