Where is This Thing?

[JBPuffin]

Some time ago, measured in years, I remembered reading something involving what amounted to an exalted prostitute PrC or some such. There isn't such a PrC in the BoED, so...where is this thing?

[JNAProductions]

I would assume in the BoEF.

[AvatarVecna]

That's correct, it's from the Book of Erotic Fantasy, a 3rd party book that goes fairly well at setting guideline for the inclusion of X-rated scenes in your games.

[JBPuffin]

That's correct, it's from the Book of Erotic Fantasy, a 3rd party book that goes fairly well at setting guideline for the inclusion of X-rated scenes in your games.

Huh. Okay, never mind that then. Thanks for the heads-up, JNA and Vecna.

[frogglesmash]

That's correct, it's from the Book of Erotic Fantasy, a 3rd party book that goes fairly well at setting guideline for the inclusion of X-rated scenes in your games.

I was quite empressed at how tasteful, and mature that book was, when I first heard of it I expected something closer to what a horny 16 year old would come up with.

[AvatarVecna]

I was quite empressed at how tasteful, and mature that book was, when I first heard of it I expected something closer to what a horny 16 year old would come up with.

It did a very good job of keeping things fairly tasteful while still discussing things very frankly. The only thing I seem to recall being straight up missing was their thoughts on a particular alignment's methods of sex (Chaotic Evil); that section basically reads "we're not gonna talk about this, moving on". And while I think they could've done it properly, I can see why they would decide to leave it out, because while the LE and NE entries could be manipulative or using sex as a means to an end, I'm not seeing a sexual method that's decidedly CE that isn't...well...yeah.

Hell, in my post, I almost said "they did a better job explaining it than FATAL", but straight-up porn is a more dignified, respectable depiction of fake sex than FATAL was, and I didn't want to insult BoEF by comparing it to FATAL.

[frogglesmash]

It did a very good job of keeping things fairly tasteful while still discussing things very frankly. The only thing I seem to recall being straight up missing was their thoughts on a particular alignment's methods of sex (Chaotic Evil); that section basically reads "we're not gonna talk about this, moving on". And while I think they could've done it properly, I can see why they would decide to leave it out, because while the LE and NE entries could be manipulative or using sex as a means to an end, I'm not seeing a sexual method that's decidedly CE that isn't...well...yeah.

Hell, in my post, I almost said "they did a better job explaining it than FATAL", but straight-up porn is a more dignified, respectable depiction of fake sex than FATAL was, and I didn't want to insult BoEF by comparing it to FATAL.

Yeah, I was gonna bring up FATAL as well, but even a book of nothing but crass sex jokes would be leagues above FATAL in terms of quality, maturity etc.

[AvatarVecna]

Yeah, I was gonna bring up FATAL as well, but even a book of nothing but crass sex jokes would be leagues above FATAL in terms of quality, maturity etc.

I read through FATAL about a month ago, just to see if it was as bad as I remembered. There's stats for how far you can stretch a hole made of muscle before the muscle tears. There's a chart for determining marriage, and "happily married" isn't an option for non-hetero couples. At first, I thought it was "no gay marriage", but by the RAW of FATAL, gay people can be married to other gay people...it just can't be a happy marriage. By the Nine, what a terrible book...

[Crake]

It did a very good job of keeping things fairly tasteful while still discussing things very frankly. The only thing I seem to recall being straight up missing was their thoughts on a particular alignment's methods of sex (Chaotic Evil); that section basically reads "we're not gonna talk about this, moving on". And while I think they could've done it properly, I can see why they would decide to leave it out, because while the LE and NE entries could be manipulative or using sex as a means to an end, I'm not seeing a sexual method that's decidedly CE that isn't...well...yeah.

The way I run chaotic evil is overindulgence to the point of negligence. What exactly you indulge in is your own purview, but for example, a baron who squanders his land's taxes on drugs and prostitutes would be CE. Probably not what the authors of the BoEF had in mind, but I think it's worth mentioning that not all CE hedonists are all about the maim and rape.

[(Un)Inspired]

Shining Blade of Heironeous

[Nifft]

It did a very good job of keeping things fairly tasteful while still discussing things very frankly. The only thing I seem to recall being straight up missing was their thoughts on a particular alignment's methods of sex (Chaotic Evil); that section basically reads "we're not gonna talk about this, moving on". And while I think they could've done it properly, I can see why they would decide to leave it out, because while the LE and NE entries could be manipulative or using sex as a means to an end, I'm not seeing a sexual method that's decidedly CE that isn't...well...yeah.

Hmm. Tasteful definition of CE sex. That sounds like a challenge.

Okay, I'll try.

LE sexual abuse is about power relations which enforce the helpless position of the victim due to the victim's social and legal position, including legal or contractual mistakes. The LE abuser might say, "I own you because you made [I]that/I] mistake." The bonds are externally imposed, and the victim's mental state isn't relevant. Some LE power abuses are impersonal: the victim might be sold by the abuser. This type of impersonal expression of power is what an LE abuser might derive pleasure from, in addition to the more usual forms of pleasure.

CE sexual abuse is about creating emotional dependence and creating a helpless attitude inside the victim. It's not about crushing the victim beneath the twisted weight of the law. It's about a relationship between individuals, in which the abuser causes -- through whatever means -- the victim to build an internal cage. The victim's mental state is everything. Gaslighting is an example of a CE power abuse: it's very personal, and the victim's mental state is the main thing that's relevant to the abuser.

[Telonius]

BoEF is probably where you're going to find it, but there is one alternate: Celebrant of Sharess, from Players' Guide to Faerun. Not exactly a "temple prostitute," but it does get some similarly-themed abilities. And it does require Sacred Vow and Vow of Purity, so that might be where you're remembering the Exalted bit.

[The Viscount]

There was an Iron Chef round a while back, Ardent Dilettante (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?182492-Iron-Chef-Optimization-Challenge-XVII&), which featured two entries that were prostitutes who took Vow of Poverty, and were thus Exalted characters. Is it possible you were thinking of this?


AvatarVecna, you actually read FATAL? You have both my respect and my sympathy.

[AvatarVecna]

AvatarVecna, you actually read FATAL? You have both my respect and my sympathy.

Yep, just to say I'd given it a chance. I did the same thing with Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey, and both series have a better understanding of sex than FATAL did. There's some meta-hilarity, if you look for reviews, BTW: the review I found was made by (IIRC) a group of 4Chan denizens who decided to do what only they could and blast this thing properly. The review can be summed up thusly: "Dude, this is some ****ed up ****, even for us; what the hell?". Even funnier, though, is that the creator's of FATAL, deciding that they needed to prove that the screwed up nature of their product was intentional, posted a rebuttal to said 4Chan review; incidentally, they're rebuttal is about as emotionally uncharged, calm, and well-reasoned as LordDrako was near the end of his run here ITP. It was absolutely nothing but personal attacks, emotional bitching and moaning, and half-baked conspiracy theories insisting the secret council that controls the gaming community conspired against them to make people think they're game was unpopular.

I'm going to reiterate: the reaction of a group of 4Chan regulars was "this is bad, even by our standards", and the creator's response was to argue in a way that made the 4Chan guys look calm and reasonable. That's an accomplishment, and one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life.

[frogglesmash]

~snip~

You can't just tell a story like that without providing some links to this glorious train wreck.

[Socratov]

Some time ago, measured in years, I remembered reading something involving what amounted to an exalted prostitute PrC or some such. There isn't such a PrC in the BoED, so...where is this thing?


ehm, actually, you might have read about Talya's Vow of Nudity (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?45529-Nude-Bard-Sublime-Chord-Heartwarder-Vow-of-Poverty-Build), which, incidently has been updated by Snowbluff (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363915-Talya-s-Vow-of-Nudity-Mark-II).

hope this helps...

[KillianHawkeye]

For the sake of completeness, the prestige class from the Book of Erotic Fantasy goes by the name of "Sacred Prostitute."

[AvatarVecna]

You can't just tell a story like that without providing some links to this glorious train wreck.

Actually, posting links would break forum rules (I think); I'm pretty sure that links, pics, and videos posted in-thread are supposed to obey forum rules, or else all I can do is mention them. Now, there's no direct rule against the use of profanity, but we're supposed to keep it limited in quantity and quality, so as to keep things vaguely PG-13 at the maximum. The 4Chan review (and the creator's rebuttal) are both so laden with such visually suggestive, offensive profanity, I'm pretty sure anybody under 13 viewing it would have to make a saving throw to avoid being POA'd into the form of a troll.

I'll see if I can track it down, and I'll ask about it in the rules questions sub-forum before posting, just in case there's an issue.

[Socratov]

Yep, just to say I'd given it a chance. I did the same thing with Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey, and both series have a better understanding of sex than FATAL did. There's some meta-hilarity, if you look for reviews, BTW: the review I found was made by (IIRC) a group of 4Chan denizens who decided to do what only they could and blast this thing properly. The review can be summed up thusly: "Dude, this is some ****ed up ****, even for us; what the hell?". Even funnier, though, is that the creator's of FATAL, deciding that they needed to prove that the screwed up nature of their product was intentional, posted a rebuttal to said 4Chan review; incidentally, they're rebuttal is about as emotionally uncharged, calm, and well-reasoned as LordDrako was near the end of his run here ITP. It was absolutely nothing but personal attacks, emotional bitching and moaning, and half-baked conspiracy theories insisting the secret council that controls the gaming community conspired against them to make people think they're game was unpopular.

I'm going to reiterate: the reaction of a group of 4Chan regulars was "this is bad, even by our standards", and the creator's response was to argue in a way that made the 4Chan guys look calm and reasonable. That's an accomplishment, and one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life.

I am actually speechless. Well, save for one thing: there is such a thing as this. (http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/10-real-book-covers-from-dinosaur-on-human-sex-novels/)

[frogglesmash]

Actually, posting links would break forum rules (I think); I'm pretty sure that links, pics, and videos posted in-thread are supposed to obey forum rules, or else all I can do is mention them. Now, there's no direct rule against the use of profanity, but we're supposed to keep it limited in quantity and quality, so as to keep things vaguely PG-13 at the maximum. The 4Chan review (and the creator's rebuttal) are both so laden with such visually suggestive, offensive profanity, I'm pretty sure anybody under 13 viewing it would have to make a saving throw to avoid being POA'd into the form of a troll.

I'll see if I can track it down, and I'll ask about it in the rules questions sub-forum before posting, just in case there's an issue.

Well that's a bummer, if you can't post a link do you think you could just tell me what terms to google or PM me via some other medium?

[AvatarVecna]

After reading through the forum rules, I think it just applies to public stuff (posts) more so than private stuff (PMs). I'll give it another read-through just to make sure; if I find something that says "no PMing rule-breaking links", I'll just email it to you or something; if there's nothing like that, I'll just PM the step by step to you.

[Venger]

Yep, just to say I'd given it a chance. I did the same thing with Twilight and 50 Shades of Grey, and both series have a better understanding of sex than FATAL did. There's some meta-hilarity, if you look for reviews, BTW: the review I found was made by (IIRC) a group of 4Chan denizens who decided to do what only they could and blast this thing properly. The review can be summed up thusly: "Dude, this is some ****ed up ****, even for us; what the hell?". Even funnier, though, is that the creator's of FATAL, deciding that they needed to prove that the screwed up nature of their product was intentional, posted a rebuttal to said 4Chan review; incidentally, they're rebuttal is about as emotionally uncharged, calm, and well-reasoned as LordDrako was near the end of his run here ITP. It was absolutely nothing but personal attacks, emotional bitching and moaning, and half-baked conspiracy theories insisting the secret council that controls the gaming community conspired against them to make people think they're game was unpopular.

I'm going to reiterate: the reaction of a group of 4Chan regulars was "this is bad, even by our standards", and the creator's response was to argue in a way that made the 4Chan guys look calm and reasonable. That's an accomplishment, and one of the funniest things I've ever heard in my life.

it's actually from rpgnet. /tg/ sometimes discusses the game and has rolled up characters a few times, but not (to my knowledge) a review as lengthy as the rpgnet review.

so it is a terrible game by 4chan's standards as well, but also on other sites. all can unite in their hatred of FATAL

[AvatarVecna]

it's actually from rpgnet. /tg/ sometimes discusses the game and has rolled up characters a few times, but not (to my knowledge) a review as lengthy as the rpgnet review.

so it is a terrible game by 4chan's standards as well, but also on other sites. all can unite in their hatred of FATAL

After looking it up, I realize that I was lead there by 1d4Chan, saw the profanity-laden review and rebuttal, and assumed I'd been deposited in the ass-end of the internet (since I wasn't familiar enough with 4Chan to recognize it on sight). Still, yeah, everybody hates this game except the guy who made it (as well as a small devoted group of fanboys apparently).

[Venger]

After looking it up, I realize that I was lead there by 1d4Chan, saw the profanity-laden review and rebuttal, and assumed I'd been deposited in the ass-end of the internet (since I wasn't familiar enough with 4Chan to recognize it on sight). Still, yeah, everybody hates this game except the guy who made it (as well as a small devoted group of fanboys apparently).

like "burnout," though, they're probably all just hall sockpuppetting (he was banned from rpgnet for doing this after the review) I have never encountered anyone who's played this game aside from playing it as a joke to see how terrible it is.