Pokémon Thread XXV: Adorable Eugenics Simulator

[Mando Knight]

Pokémon: Adorable Eugenics Simulator!
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/1a/Pikachu-colored_Pichu_sit.png
Pictured: the only Pichu kept out of over 8000 hatched. Don't tell me you don't know how it got there, Day Care Man...

The Last Thread: Anything Goes! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?386458-Pok%E9mon-Thread-XXIV-Anything-Goes!)

These are friend codes (May be out of date/incomplete: If they are, please PM me with your codes and I'll fix them). For your friends. If you're not on here? It means you're not friendly. Or that for whatever reason your codes didn't get put here. If you're not here, just mention it whenever you can (poke me with a PM if I don't get you up in a couple of days, the thread moves fast and I don't like thread-digging much). Additions in the thread will be added to the end of the respective list, and then will (if I remember) be re-alphabetized... later.

Friend codes, for the uninitiated, are how you connect with other players on Nintendo systems. The 3DS uses one Friend Code for the whole system: register a friend, and you'll be able to connect with them whenever you're playing the same (or at least compatible) game, whether that's X/Y, OR/AS, or even Smash or Mario Kart.

Friend Codes and Safaris:
You can only have 100 Friend Codes registered at a time.

To use the Friend Safari, you need to have defeated the Elite Four, and both you and your friend must have added each other. For more details, see here (http://serebii.net/xy/friendsafari.shtml).

GitPName
Code
CharacterName
3DS(Mii)Name
SafariType
Pokémon1
Pokémon2
Pokémon3


Alaris
1907-9395-1731
Tom
Alaris
Flying
Farfetch'd
Swanna



Aotrs
5172-0494-3728

Bleakbane
Normal
Lillipup
Kecleon
Smeargle


Arcran
2294-3882-2896

Arcran
Water
Octillery
Wartortle
Azumarill


Armaius
3239-3640-9568

Timothy
Ice
Spheal
Beartic
Lapras


AstralFire(Full)
0834-1672-7022
Adorabelle
Cinder
Bug
Ledyba
Volbeat
Venomoth


AtlanteanTroll
4055-3788-4115

Fresca
Normal
Lillipup
Loudred



bluewind95
0473-9066-8078
Raziel
Kallie
Grass
Tangela
Swadloon
Gogoat


boj0
1693-1768-6943
boj0
boj0
Fairy
Swirlix
Togepi
Floette


Burley
1547-6257-5822








Burnerpower
0645-6906-6047
Chase
Burner
Fire
Pansear
Pyroar
Braixen


ChaosArchon
4742-5730-4052








Codswallop
1650-2047-0584

Dan
Ghost
Lampent
Phantump
Spiritomb


CynanMachae
2964-9109-7883

Cynan
Pancham
Hariyama
Mienfoo
Pancham


DMan7733
0104-0178-9108

Dennis
Psychic
Duosion
Espurr
Munna


DarkTira
4012-4193-6629
Flair
DarkTira
Grass
Ivysaur
Sunkern
Quilladin


DarkLightDragon
3110-5232-7003
Gwendolyn
DLD2
Water
Krabby
Floatzel
Azumarill


Derjuin
2063-0607-0374
Gwen
Derjuin
Flying
Tropius
Doduo
Tranquill


DiegoHavoc
5343-7951-5809
Diana
Diego
Ghost
Lampent
Phantump
Spiritomb


Dihan
3909-7507-9532
Cai
Bryn
Fairy
Kirlia
Mawile
Floette


Drakenkin
1220-6369-1867

RC
Steel
Forretress
Magneton
Klefki


Dvil
1891-1492-0775

Lorzo
Ghost
Shuppet
Pumpkaboo
Dusclops


Elhann
4656-7012-2957
Afo
Afo
Normal
Lillipup
Loudred
Ditto


EmperorIng
1134-7922-2243
Rand
EmpI
Ground
Phanpy
Dugtrio
Palpitoad


FallenGeek
2938-7158-7152

UberGeek
Fairy
Dedenne
Mawile
Floette


FoolishTeeth
2965-0036-6655
Jerome
80s
Flying
Farfetch'd
Woobat
Rufflet


Forrestfire
0044-4109-2187
Linae

Normal
Kecleon
Dunsparce
Smeargle


Freudianship
0791-1490-0816

Victoria
Ice
Delibird
Bergmite
Piloswine


Gengy
1762-3248-0955
Genaur
(Redacted)
Dark
Pawniard
Crawdaunt
Liepard


geonova
3625-8744-4346
Geo
Geo
Water
Wartortle
Panpour
Poliwhirl


GiftJeraff
0662-3715-4355

Venkman
Fighting
Mankey
Throh
Hariyama


Goldfly
1203-9717-6298
Gold
Gold
Electric
Pikachu
Electrode
Luxio


Gulaghar
4012-3882-1934
Nadia
Ghar
Fairy
Dedenne
Mawile
Floette


HandsomeGoblin
0920-0919-2787








HappyGravity
2208-5735-4223
Eileen
-_-
Poison
Swalot
Kakuna
Croagunk


Harnel
5472-7302-7698
Halae
Halae
Water
Krabby
Gyarados
Frogadier


Hogwarts9876
3024-5607-5601
Adam
Adam






HunterNoventa
0189-8423-5030
Emi
Emi
Electric





InfernallyClay
1891-1230-7244
Alice
Winny
Psychic
Sigilyph
Grumpig
Duosion


JustPlayItLoud
4785-6164-8724
Toaster
Brett
Fire
Magmar
Charmeleon
Ninetales


Keris(Full)
2423-2600-9179
Tarn
Tarn
Water
Bibarel
Floatzel
Frogadier


Kurgan
1478-3987-4689
Kurhanik
Kurgan
Steel
Magneton
Forretress
Klefki


Kuroten
2809-8617-8608
Raijin/Akemi

Water
Panpour
Floatzel
Frogadier


Kuulvheysoon
5257-9453-0107
Ariik







LawlessIII
5129-1568-6363
Gorgeous
Andrew
Flying
Farfetch'd
Woobat
Fletchinder


LordFullbladder
5343-8973-8240

SheG
Normal
Aipom
Minccino
Ditto


Mattarias,King(requestonly)
5343-8171-8375
Mattarias
Mattarias
Water
Bibarel
Floatzel
Frogadier


MeatShield#236
1950-7553-3565
Thomas
Meatshield
Bug
Combee
Beautifly
Pinsir


MercenaryPen
4227-2044-9144

MercenPen
Flying
Pidgey
Tranquill
Hawlucha


Mtg_player_zach
1590-5500-0148
Zach
Zach
Electric
Pikachu
Dedenne
Luxio


NeoPhoenix0
2852-8259-2899
Victoria
NeoPhoenix
Water
Octillery
Floatzel
Azumarill


noparlpf
0705-3326-2027
Jude
Jude
Flying
Spearow
Woobat
Rufflet


OracleofWuffing
2234-7142-0224

T-Dawg
Dragon
Dragonair
Gabite
Sligoo


Othesmo
0533-5350-5769

Gaius
Electric
Emolga
Electabuzz
Manectric


Partof1
4313-0044-7312
Magnus
Tom
Bug
Ledyba
Beautifly
Vivillon


Peelee
5370-1262-5440
Peelee
Peelee
Flying
Pidgey
Tranquill
Rufflet


Peelee'sWife
4339-2708-2563
Sephrenea
Sephrenea
Ice
Delibird
Sneasel
Lapras


Perkinz
1993-7396-5551

Armads
Fighting
Pancham
Mienfoo
Riolu


PingPongAlong
4914-4022-6171
Pierre
Jake
Psychic
Wobbuffet
Gothorita
Abra


ProphetRipley
3437-3875-9174
Artemis
Carebear
Water
Bibarel
Gyarados



Psychotic
2836-0282-0242
Jimmy
Jimmy
Steel
Forretress
Mawile
Klefki


Quietus
3067-5701-8746








Qwertystop
1805-2284-9978
Qwertystop
Qwerty
Dark
Mightyena
Crawdaunt
Absol


Rezkeshdadesh
0104-0343-1530
Gaston/Sylthia
Rezzy
Psychic
Espurr
Grumpig
Girafarig


RisingPhoenix
2492-5555-9928
Mortimer
Dimi
Psychic
Sigilyph
Abra
Xatu


RyuhoTsugu
3823-9797-6825
Periphas
εχθρός
Fire
Growlithe
Charmeleon
Fletchinder


SaintRidley
1650-2179-8114
AElfgif/DoñaXimena
ColbertJr
Ice
Beartic
Snover



Sajiri
0748-2783-1667
Sadi
Sajiri
Psychic
Abra
Espurr
Xatu


Sasaisen
2380-3648-0994
Trevor
Sasaisen
Grass
Pansage
Petilil
Maractus


ScowlingDragon
2148-8339-5834


Ground
Sandshrew
Marowak
Diggersby


Seerow
4184-2537-0787

Jack
Psychic
Grumpig
Gothorita
Sigilyph


Shinken
4442-0172-6654
Shinken

Flying
Pidgey
Hoothoot
Fletchinder


ShinyRocks
2294-4502-1203

Joelio
Ice
Snover
Beartic
Cloyster


SKarious
2449-5207-9736

Shai
Poison
Kakuna
Ariados
Drapion


spectralphoenix
1864-9713-0312

Alex
Normal
Teddiursa
Minccino
Smeargle


Svata
5215-0731-7054








Talvereaux
2406-5576-5996


Poison
Seviper
Ariados
Toxicroak


TamerBill
4828-4410-2451
Bex
Bill
Poison
Venomoth
Gloom



Terazul
3411-1167-8365
Pen
Pen
Water
Frogadier
Wartortle
Bibarel


TheSuccubus
4613-7683-1174

Doc






TheGeckoKing
4098-2424-2486
Martin
Martin
Psychic
Grumpig
Espurr



ThelazyMage
2938-7262-8516
Eric
Eric
Dark
Nuzleaf
Sandile
Absol


ThePhantom
2680-8881-4704

GR
Ghost
Shuppet
Pumpkaboo
Drifblim


Thormag
0619-3578-2378

Thormag
Grass
Oddish
Petilil
Quilladin


Togath
1650-2364-0504
Merry
Ken
Flying
Pidgey
Tranquill



Tono
1478-3812-1377

Tono
Bug
Butterfree
Heracross
Masquerain


truenekomancer
0619-4369-0275

TSK
Bug
Butterfree
Illumise



Tylorious
3668-7804-7430
Tylor
Tylor
Fire
Charmeleon
Magmar
Braixen


urbanwolf
4425-1730-5201

King
Fighting
Pancham
Mankey
Tyrogue


userpay
2036-6900-9795

userpay
Fairy
Togepi
Spritzee



Winterfate
1246-9091-8502

Winterfate
Ice
Snorunt
Bergmite
Cloyster


WJMill
3625-8308-8437
Whitney
Whitney
Fighting
Machoke
Throh
Breloom


Wookieetank
5386-8601-6140








YukiAkuma
1633-4400-9136
Yuki
Will
Ghost
Shuppet
Phantump



ZamielVanWeber
3067-5161-6274

Zamiel
Electric
Electabuzz
Pachirisu
Galvantula


ZeltArruin(Requestonly)
3840-5756-8123

ZeltArruin
Rock
Corsola
Dwebble
Rhydon


Olinser
1564-3913-5983


Rock
Nosepass
Pupitar
Barbaracle


GreenSerpent
0662-3910-6053
Jaegar







Domino Quartz
3024-8274-5412
Dexter
Ignispirus






Woodzyowl
0834-2121-7393

Woodzy






MaryRing
5215-0045-7397








Helpful Links/Hints For Adventuring Ten Year Olds

Bulbapedia (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/)
Smogon (http://www.smogon.com/)
Metalkid's IV Calculator (http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/Calculators/IV.aspx)
Serebii (http://www.serebii.net/index2.shtml)
Useful NPCs in XY (http://serebii.net/xy/useful.shtml) (on Serebii)
Pokémon Online (http://www.pokemon-online.eu/) (for battles over the internets when you don't want to bother training things by hand)


So, you're tired of navigating a Pokemon thread where everyone uses fancy words and stuff? Well no worries! Here's a guide on... BREEDING FOR DUMMIES!

One of the first things to remember in breeding is that there are Natures that help and ones that hinder. For instance, a Special Attacker such as Mewtwo would be hindered by an Adamant nature, but helped in his stat growth by a Modest nature. To improve your chances for getting a particular Nature in a child Pokémon, use at least one parent with the Nature you want, and give it the Everstone. In Gen IV, the Everstone doesn't guarantee the inherited Nature, though it does in Gen V and VI.

Brilliant Spreadsheet for Growth (http://pokemon.marriland.com/statcalc_dp.php).

Some IVs (don't know what an IV is? Check the next spoiler box!) are randomly inherited from the parents. You can lock in a maximum of one IV by giving a parent the corresponding Power training item (Power Bracer for Attack, Power Lens for Special Attack, and so forth), or (starting with XY) randomly inherit 5 (instead of the normal 3) by holding the Destiny Knot. Use Flat Battles to determine the IVs of a hatched Pokémon, or if you only care about the highest IV and the sum of all of its IVs, you can take it to a guy who's in the lobby of either the Battle Tower or the Battle Subway in the DS games, depending on the generation, and in the Kiloude City Pokémon Center in XY. You're looking for them to judge it Relatively Superior overall and Can't Be Better in its best stat. The XY judge will also tell you about any really bad IVs the Pokémon has.

The third main thing with breeding is Egg Moves. Egg moves are moves the parent has, and passes down to a child. For instance, in my breeding of Chimchar, the egg moves are Grass Knot and Swords Dance, which are passed down to the child who gets said moves from the start. In order to pass on most Egg Moves, the father must know the move (Genderless Pokémon never learn Egg Moves). These include all of the moves that are listed as the child Pokémon's Egg Moves in a move list chart, as well as any compatible TMs or HMs. You can also pass on moves that the child would learn by level-up that aren't in those two lists--for these, both parents must know the move. In XY, some moves can be inherited from the mother...

The fourth and final thing to keep in mind are Hidden Abilities. Starting in Generation V, most Pokémon were assigned an additional ability that they could only get if you caught them under certain circumstances (the special Darmanitan in Desert Resort, or Pokémon found in hidden grottoes, the Dream World, or some in Friend Safaris). Some Hidden Abilities are highly sought-after, like Dragonite's Multiscale. If the mother has the Hidden Ability, the children will inherit it. The father can occasionally pass down the Hidden Ability if bred with a Ditto.


Dr. Strangemon or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Min-Max
Don't feel the need to bother with this stuff unless you're playing against humans or at one of those "Battle Whatever" places. You shouldn't need it for most of the game, and it can be kind of a pain.

First, the equations. These are how the game calculates the Pokémon's final stats.
HP = (IV + 2*Base + EV/4) * Level/100 + 10
Others = ((IV + 2*Base + EV/4) * Level/100 + 5) * Nature
So, at level 100, 1 IV or 4 EV raises a Pokémon's stat by 1 while a 1 point difference in Base stat is worth 2.

Nature
Most natures raise one stat and lower another, while some don't change any stats. A raised stat has a multiplier of 1.1 (or +10%), a lowered stat has a multiplier of 0.9 (or -10%), and a neutral stat has a multiplier of 1.0.

Base Stats (Base)
With a new generation just out, there's a lot of talk about finding out about a Pokémon's base stats. What are these, some of you ask? Well, they're modifiers to stats that a Pokémon gains just by being that kind of Pokémon. A (normal) Tyranitar has a base Attack of 135, a Mewtwo has 154 base Special Attack, and so on. When a Pokémon's stats change as it Mega Evolves or changes Form, it does so by changing the set of base stats it looks at. Otherwise, these base stats can't be changed (hence the "base"). At level 100, a Pokémon gets twice its Base stat to its final stats.

Individual Values (IV)
In addition to base stats, every Pokémon gets a bonus of 0-31 points applied to each stat. So a level 100 Tyranitar could have an attack stat of 273, or it could have a attack of 304. That bonus is the IV.
A Pokémon has its IVs generated the moment you meet it, or accept its egg, and there's no way to change them. You're stuck with what you've got. However, you can influence them a little, if you're willing to breed. Bred Pokémon don't randomly generate all their IVs, they inherit up to 3 from their parents. In XY, giving a parent the Destiny Knot causes them to inherit five random IVs instead. There's a few other ways of influencing IVs in bred Pokémon, which are explained in the breeding section.
In addition, in XY, some Pokémon are guaranteed to have some "perfect" (31) IVs. Pokémon found in the Friend Safari will have two random perfect IVs, while Pokémon that can't breed will have 3.

Effort Values (EV)
Every time you win a fight, your Pokémon get experience, but that's not all they get. Every Pokémon also gives out effort points. For every 4 effort points in a particular stat, your Pokémon gains 1 point in it. So if that Tyranitar from earlier with 304 attack had 4 attack EVs, his actual attack would be 305. If he had 252 attack EVs, it'd be 367. Sounds handy, but there are limits. You can't have more than 255 points in a single stat, and you can't have more than 510 EVs in total.

You'll see a lot of Pokémon with 252 attack/special attack EVs, 252 speed, and 4 HP, but there are a lot of ways to configure them. Defensive Pokémon will obviously focus on different things, Pokémon which use both physical and special attacks will need to split EVs between them or possibly sacrifice speed, and so on.

It's a tremendous pain to work out what EVs your Pokémon has (if you weren't keeping track, anyway), so you'll likely want to start with a Pokémon that you freshly hatched and work from there, though you don't have to. There are 6 berries that reduce EVs in a single stat each, so you can use those to reset your Pokémon and start from scratch. After that, just keep a careful record of what you fight, and only take down Pokémon that you know give you the EVs you want.

EV training takes a while, but there are a few ways you can speed it up. The first is an astonishingly rare status condition called Pokérus. Any Pokémon with Pokérus gets double EVs from fights, and will spread the Pokérus to any Pokémon in your party for the first 72 hours after it catches it. After those 72 hours it stops being contagious, but still gets double EVs. Pokérus has something like 1/20000 chance to appear on wild Pokemon, but with the magic of the internet I'm sure you can obtain it.

The second way to speed up EV training is through Power Items. If a Pokémon is holding the right item, they get bonus EVs from every fight. For example, a Pokémon holding a Power Lens will get 4 special attack EVs. A Pokémon holding a Power Anklet will get 4 speed EVs. A Pokémon holding a Macho Brace will just get double the EVs of whatever they're fighting. These bonuses are doubled if you have Pokérus.

The third way to speed up EVs is through vitamins. Each vitamin given to a Pokémon gives them +10 EVs in a certain stat, up to a limit of 100. 1 protein gives 10 attack EVs, 10 give 100. These unfortunately aren't doubled by Pokérus or items, so you'll have to pay for the full amount. Luckily money is easy to come by in these games.

Just as an example, I'll show how I EV'd my Gengar.
First, I gave him 10 calcium, and 10 carbos, so 100 special attack and 100 speed already.
After that, I gave him Pokérus and a lucky egg, got him to meet a Floatzel (2 speed EVs, doubled to 4 because of Pokérus), and then sent out my Weezing to explode on it so Gengar could get all the experience, for a higher level and 100 special attack, 104 speed.
After that, I gave him a Power Lens, flew over to the Old Chateau, and killed 15 Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 from the lens, doubled to 10 from Pokérus) for 150 special attack EVs, bringing my total to 250 special attack, 104 speed.
After that I equipped a power anklet and killed one more Gastly (1 special attack from Gastly, 4 speed from the anklet, doubled to 2 and 8 from Pokérus), meaning Gengar had 252 attack, and 112 speed.
Leaving the anklet equipped, I flew to Route 201, and killed 14 Starly (1 speed from Starly, 4 from the anklet, meaning 10 speed per starly thanks to Pokérus), for a total of 252 attack, 252 speed.
All that was left after that was to kill a Bidoof with a Power Weight (1 HP from Bidoof, 4 from the Weight, 10 thanks to Pokerus, although I only gained 6 points because I hit the EV cap), leaving my Gengar with 252 special attack EVs, 252 Speed, and 4 HP, just how I wanted him.
Roughly an hour's work, and one Pokemon down.

In XY, there's an additional method of EV training, which doesn't involve beating up wild Pokémon, but you instead play minigames (called Super Training) with the Pokémon. This lets you choose which stat you'll train, and awards you 4 EVs per difficulty level (so +4 for level 1, +12 for level 3). In addition, you may gain special training bags that can make further Super Training easier, reset your EVs entirely, or other effects. The training system also displays your earned EVs graphically (but not numerically), making it somewhat easier to keep track of a Pokémon's EVs.
tl;dr: The simplified version of EVs/IVs - EVs are gained by fighting other Pokémon. They vary by the Pokémon defeated. They increase your stats for every 4 gained. IVs are inherent to a Pokémon. They increase stats for every point possessed, and range from 0 to 31. EVs have to be manually tracked or else removed entirely with certain berries. IVs can be checked by knowing the EVs of a Pokémon and then plugging its stats into an IV calculator. The higher the Pokémon's level, the more accurate; level 100 wifi battles provide maximum accuracy.

Now, you might ask, "Mando Knight, how do you get those accented e's?" On a PC, change your keyboard layout to US-International, and press 'e. For some versions of Windows, if you don't want the US-International keyboard on all the time, you can also have it switch between different registered keyboards with a press of Ctrl+Shift. You can also copy-paste them from someone else's posts. Or the thread title.

[Woodzyowl]

Dem check marks. Mii name is Woodzy and FC is 0834-2121-7393.

[Qwertystop]

Personally, I'm going to do the Pikachu Cup with the all-elec team left-over from the old Giant League. Except with some moveset tweaks.

[noparlpf]

Personally, I'm going to do the Pikachu Cup with the all-elec team left-over from the old Giant League. Except with some moveset tweaks.

The meta is way different when you're also facing mono-Electric though.

[Qwertystop]

The meta is way different when you're also facing mono-Electric though.

The key point here is that I already had the team.

[noparlpf]

The key point here is that I already had the team.

A fair point.

[DataNinja]

The thread title reminds me of these strips:

Rules of the day-care (http://www.pebbleversion.com/Archives/Strip768.html)
The questions (http://www.pebbleversion.com/Archives/Strip769.html)
The answer (http://www.pebbleversion.com/Archives/Strip770.html)
Very affordable (http://www.pebbleversion.com/Archives/Strip771.html)
It's conditional (http://www.pebbleversion.com/Archives/Strip772.html)
A really old line (http://www.pebbleversion.com/Archives/Strip773.html)
Very good care... (http://www.pebbleversion.com/Archives/Strip774.html)

[Shekinah]

Ooh, new thread! Perfect time to post this. (http://www.dorkly.com/post/75222/amazing-fan-art-versions-of-every-gen-1-pokemon)

[Qwertystop]

Blargh. Why the ikjulhtgtrg.lojgrfnjfhei does the Spiritomb in ORAS know Memento? And I think it might be a unique, too, at least until you catch and breed it - or at least, the trigger to make it come back is not trivial.

[Mando Knight]

You could try getting a Lampent/Chandelure with Imprison and Memento, that should lock out the move.

[Sasaisen]

Post for the check, and my list of breeding leftovers.

All have at least 4 good IVs, are completely free for you to take, and are first-come/first-serve (though I can breed more upon request).

Can breed if asked: Dwebble, Heracross, Joltik, Kangaskhan, Snivy.


SpeciesQuantityNatureAbilityEgg (or High-Level) MovesBall
Amaura1ModestRefrigerateHaze, Barrier, Mirror Coat, Discharge
Anorith1AdamantBattle ArmorCross Poison, Knock Off, Aqua Jet, Rapid Spin
Bagon35LonelyRock HeadDragon Pulse, Dragon Dance, Dragon Rush, Hydro PumpGreat
Beldum15AdamantClear Body
Buneary3JollyLimberTeeter Dance, Switcheroo, Fake Out, EncoreDream
Chimchar6JollyIron FistFire Punch, Thunder Punch, Fake Out
Clamperl46ModestShell Armor(Shell Smash)Dive
Croagunk5JollyDry SkinFake Out, Drain Punch, Quick Guard, CounterGreat
Cubchoo9JollySnow CloakFocus Punch, Night Slash, Yawn, Play RoughDive
Cubone3Brave*LightningrodDetect, Belly Drum, Iron Head, Perish SongHeal
12Brave*Rock HeadDetect, Belly Drum, Iron Head, Perish SongHeal
Darumaka5JollyHustleEncore, Focus Punch, Yawn
Deino60HastyHustleEarth PowerNet
Drifloon9ModestUnburdenWeather Ball, Tailwind, Defog, Destiny BondQuick
Drilbur4AdamantSand RushRapid SpinRepeat
5AdamantMold BreakerRapid SpinRepeat
Duskull14ImpishLevitateDestiny Bond, Pain Split, Skill SwapLuxury
Eevee4BoldAdaptability or Run AwayCurse, Wish, Yawn, Stored PowerDive
Ferroseed30CarefulIron BarbsLeech Seed, Gravity, Stealth Rock, SpikesNest
Fletchling18AdamantGale WingsQuick Guard, TailwindRepeat
5JollyGale WingsQuick Guard, TailwindRepeat
10CarefulGale WingsRepeat
Frillish2ModestWater AbsorbPain Split, Confuse RayDive
14CalmWater AbsorbPain Split, Confuse RayDive
14CalmCursed BodyPain Split, Confuse RayDive
Froakie54NaiveProteanBestow, Toxic Spikes, Mud Sport, Water SportNet
Gastly17TimidLevitateClear Smog, Haze, Perish Song, DisableLove
Glisgar3CarefulImmunityBaton Pass, Counter, Agility, Night Slash
Golett10AdamantIron Fist
Hawlucha3AdamantLimberQuick Guard, Me FirstPremier
12AdamantUnburdenQuick Guard, Me FirstPremier
Honedge10QuietNo GuardLuxury
Larvitar5JollyGutsStealth Rock, Pursuit, Dragon Dance, Iron HeadDusk
Litwick2TimidFlash FireHaze, Clear SmogNet
5TimidInfiltratorHaze, Clear SmogNet
Marill6AdamantHuge PowerAqua Jet, Perish Song, Belly Drum, Body SlamDive
Mawile8AdamantPranksterSucker Punch, Metal Burst, Fire Fang, Misty TerrainUltra
Mienfoo7JollyRegeneratorKnock Off, Baton Pass, Me FirstHeal
Misdreavus12TimidLevitateCurse, Skill Swap, Destiny Bond, Nasty PlotMoon
Pawniard9JollyDefiantPursuit, Sucker Punch, Stealth Rock, Psycho CutTimer
Phantump12Sassy*Natural Cure(Leech Seed), (Forest's Curse), (Destiny Bond), (Horn Leech)Dusk
4CarefulFriskDusk
4CarefulNatural CureDusk
7CarefulHarvestDusk
Pinsir6AdamantMold BreakerQuick Attack, Close Combat, FeintSport
22AdamantHyper CutterQuick Attack, Close Combat, FeintSport
Porygon2Relaxed*Trace
Pumpkaboo (Small)12JollyFriskDisable, Destiny BondHeal
Rotom24BoldLevitate
Sableye4CalmPranksterSucker Punch, Metal Burst, Recover, TrickNet
Scraggy11JollyMoxieIce Punch, Drain Punch, Dragon Dance, Zen HeadbuttRepeat
Scyther7AdamantTechnicianBaton Pass, Counter, Quick Guard, Night SlashTimer
Shroomish12AdamantPoison HealBullet Seed, Focus PunchNest
5AdamantQuick FeetBullet Seed, Focus PunchNest
Shuppet8CarefulFriskPursuit, Disable, Phantom Force, Destiny BondLuxury
Skiddo30CarefulSap SipperNest
11AdamantSap SipperNest
Skorupi3AdamantBattle ArmorDusk
6CarefulBattle ArmorAgility, Whirlwind, Confuse RayDusk
18JollySniperAgility, Whirlwind, Confuse RayDusk
Spiritomb25BoldPressureShadow Sneak, Pain Split, Destiny Bond, Foul PlayDusk
Spritzee8Relaxed*Aroma Veil(Aromatherapy), (Moonblast), Disable, WishHeal
5Relaxed*Healer(Aromatherapy), (Moonblast), Disable, WishHeal
Squirtle3ModestRain DishWater Spout, Dragon Pulse, Aura Sphere, Mirror CoatNet
Starly19JollyRecklessDetect, Roost, Double-Edge, Pursuit
Timburr3AdamantGutsDrain Punch, Mach PunchQuick
Torchic5AdamantSpeed BoostNight Slash, Crush Claw, Baton Pass, Counter
7JollySpeed BoostNight Slash, Crush Claw, Baton Pass, Counter
Tynamo9ModestLevitateQuick
Tyrunt3AdamantStrong JawDragon Dance, Fire Fang, Ice Fang, Thunder Fang
Venipede23AdamantSpeed BoostSpikes, Toxic SpikesLuxury
Vullaby6ImpishOvercoatFoul Play, Mean Look, Knock OffLuxury
Yamask6Sassy*MummyNasty Plot, Toxic Spikes, DisableQuick
* Indicates this was bred for a Trick Room team. If the Speed IV is marked as "good", it's a 0.

[Sylthia]

Ooh, new thread! Perfect time to post this. (http://www.dorkly.com/post/75222/amazing-fan-art-versions-of-every-gen-1-pokemon)

That Jigglypuff is going to give me nightmares.

[Solse]

Ooh, new thread! Perfect time to post this. (http://www.dorkly.com/post/75222/amazing-fan-art-versions-of-every-gen-1-pokemon)

Lots of them are really interesting. The Pidgeot drawing had a cool art style. One gripe though -- the Charizard just looks like a generic Western dragon. 5/10.

Also Dorkly pisses me off, but that's another story for another time.

[Shekinah]

Lots of them are really interesting. The Pidgeot drawing had a cool art style. One gripe though -- the Charizard just looks like a generic Western dragon. 5/10.

Also Dorkly pisses me off, but that's another story for another time.

Pokemon Rusty? Or something else? I know we shouldn't go too off-topic, but I'm interested now.

[Sylthia]

In case anyone missed it, you can get a free Shiny Rayquaza through Mystery Gift in ORAS right now.

[noparlpf]

In case anyone missed it, you can get a free Shiny Rayquaza through Mystery Gift in ORAS right now.

What. Whoa. Okay, sweet.

Edit: I can confirm that nature and IVs aren't fixed, so have fun soft-resetting.

[Sylthia]

What. Whoa. Okay, sweet.

Edit: I can confirm that nature and IVs aren't fixed, so have fun soft-resetting.

Something about Rayquaza's lips seem off to me. Like it smeared strawberry jelly all over its mouth or was playing with its mother's lipstick.

[noparlpf]

Something about Rayquaza's lips seem off to me. Like it smeared strawberry jelly all over its mouth or was playing with its mother's lipstick.

Well it doesn't really seem to have opposable thumbs so it's probably not very easy to get made up in the morning.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Edit: I can confirm that nature and IVs aren't fixed, so have fun soft-resetting.

...Dammit, I thought they would be. Mine doesn't have perfect Attack or Sp. Attack.

[Woodzyowl]

Yeah, I just stopped at hasty nature with max ATK/DEF/SPA and 10-11 HP, 23-24 SPD, and 8 SPE. Could be better, but not too much. And it's Rayquaza. He's a bit broken.

[noparlpf]

Yeah, given that it's already broken it's probably fine to just go for a good nature and not worry about the IVs too much, especially with three 31s guaranteed.

[Sylthia]

Yeah, I just stopped at hasty nature with max ATK/DEF/SPA and 10-11 HP, 23-24 SPD, and 8 SPE. Could be better, but not too much. And it's Rayquaza. He's a bit broken.

Who'da thunk letting it Megevolve without a Megastone would be broken. The power creep's getting a bit much.

[Woodzyowl]

Who'da thunk letting it Megevolve without a Megastone would be broken. The power creep's getting a bit much.

Nah bro. Clearly Mega Rayquaza is no better than Mega Mewtwo, and Mewtwo's fist gen.

[Starwulf]

In case anyone missed it, you can get a free Shiny Rayquaza through Mystery Gift in ORAS right now.

Woot! Thanks for the notification. When I eventually get to OR I will have a level 50 Diancie and now a level 70 Rayquaza to use....(not that I"d try, they'd never listen to even half my commands). But, WOOT! Second shiny pokemon alongside Red Gryados from oh so long ago :)

[noparlpf]

Woot! Thanks for the notification. When I eventually get to OR I will have a level 50 Diancie and now a level 70 Rayquaza to use....(not that I"d try, they'd never listen to even half my commands). But, WOOT! Second shiny pokemon alongside Red Gryados from oh so long ago :)

I think the event only runs until like September 20-something though. So if you can, make sure to download it now even if you won't play until later.

[Starwulf]

I think the event only runs until like September 20-something though. So if you can, make sure to download it now even if you won't play until later.

Already did :) I managed to get that Diancie on it's last day after talking the wifey into letting me snag OR. Both are sitting in their pokeballs that my trainer has on him atm ^^ I guess if nothing else, if I lose all my other 'mon I can just use one of them and even though it won't listen to me, I don't see how anything could kill it either :)

[Derjuin]

I'm not sure why I'm soft resetting this Rayquaza, I doubt I'm going to use it in any battles (especially since you can't even use it in the battle resort), but I ended up keeping this spread. Pretty nice:

Naughty nature (+atk, -sdef) 31/18/30/29/31/31... hidden power ICE. I'm sensing a mixed Rayqueezy here. Perhaps HPI/Dragon Ascent/Earthquake/Dragon Dance?

[Mando Knight]

...Why would you want HP:Ice on a Pokémon that already has Ice Beam in its movepool?

[Derjuin]

...Why would you want HP:Ice on a Pokémon that already has Ice Beam in its movepool?

Because I don't use Rayquaza, like, ever, and didn't know it could learn Ice Beam :smalltongue:.

[Aotrs Commander]

In case anyone missed it, you can get a free Shiny Rayquaza through Mystery Gift in ORAS right now.

Dammit!

Only for folk in the US apparently (at least over wifi); on checking Serebii, it's apparently a serial code from some sort of Smyth's thing in the UK (and possibly EB in Europe?)

Well, sadly, while there is a Smyth's in Derby, it's right across the other side of town, so not really worth making a special trip to Smyth's just for that.

Ho hum. *shrug*

[Qwertystop]

Dammit!

Only for folk in the US apparently (at least over wifi); on checking Serebii, it's apparently a serial code from some sort of Smyth's thing in the UK (and possibly EB in Europe?)

Well, sadly, while there is a Smyth's in Derby, it's right across the other side of town, so not really worth making a special trip to Smyth's just for that.

Ho hum. *shrug*

You can have mine for a Xerneas. Or possibly for whichever of the three thundery things from gen V you can't get in AS, but I need to check some things first for that one.

[TamerBill]

You can have mine for a Xerneas. Or possibly for whichever of the three thundery things from gen V you can't get in AS, but I need to check some things first for that one.

As another UK denizen without easy access to a Smyths I'll trade any non-mythical legendary (or a leftovers, if people are still hunting those) for one of these Rayquazas.

[Aotrs Commander]

You can have mine for a Xerneas. Or possibly for whichever of the three thundery things from gen V you can't get in AS, but I need to check some things first for that one.

Thanks for the offer, but I'm not that bothered (as TamerBill is!) It's not like I'd use it anyway, and I've got at least one in my living Dex (and one in Colosseum, with Mewtwo in a run to get ho-oh, which I gaven't played for over a year or two since we never replaced the telly in the dining room after it got nicked.)

Not even sure I've got Xerneas yet, come to that...!

[Qwertystop]

As another UK denizen without easy access to a Smyths I'll trade any non-mythical legendary (or a leftovers, if people are still hunting those) for one of these Rayquazas.

Same offer to you, and now that I've looked up availability: probably a Xerneas. Not absolutely sure, though - I'll need to check when I actually get a chance to look in my game and see what I've got. Confident that there's some legend I haven't got, though.

[Solse]

In case anyone missed it, you can get a free Shiny Rayquaza through Mystery Gift in ORAS right now.

That's good to know. I'll log on and grab it ASAP.

[TamerBill]

Same offer to you, and now that I've looked up availability: probably a Xerneas. Not absolutely sure, though - I'll need to check when I actually get a chance to look in my game and see what I've got. Confident that there's some legend I haven't got, though.

Excellent, let me know when you've decided.

[Qwertystop]

Excellent, let me know when you've decided.

I've decided, Xerneas.

EDIT: I haven't actually picked it up yet - do you want me to soft-reset for anything?

[Starwulf]

Does anyone else have the issue of not wanting to move on from one game to the next, even when you've done virtually everything you can do in said game? I've done virtually everything in White 2 now, I have 2 levels left in White TreeHollow so I can get a free Shiny Dratini from Alder after I beat his son, and...that's it. I've done everything else in the game that I possibly can(Obviously, not having Black 2 I can't fill out my New Unova Pokedex to get access to the Nature Preserve, which is a shame as I'd love to have that Shiny Haxorus). And yet, as much as I want to check out X, I find myself wanting to keep playing in White 2. Mostly it's for my Join Avenue to continue leveling up(no idea why, lol), and maybe beat up to the Subway Boss on the doubles train. Neither of those are very huge things, and yet I find myself putting off X because of them.

So, how many others here have the issue of wanting to do EVERYTHING, no matter how trivial? The only thing I think Im not truly interested in White 2 is getting all the medals for the medal box, most of which I can't anyways since they require Global trading and matches and Entree Link mini-game with other people.

[TamerBill]

I've decided, Xerneas.

EDIT: I haven't actually picked it up yet - do you want me to soft-reset for anything?

Just a neutral nature, please. I think we're already 3DS friends, though I'll be on as 'Joey' this time.

[Qwertystop]

Just a neutral nature, please. I think we're already 3DS friends, though I'll be on as 'Joey' this time.

Just got home, working on resetting for that now.

EDIT: Got it. Incidentally, while we're doing that, would you mind helping me grab two trade-evolutions? I forgot Porygon-Z when I was doing that batch before, so that means one evolution for that and one to replace the Porygon2.

[Ogremindes]

Hey, there's a Pokemon charity gaming marathon running at pokethon.net (http://pokethon.net/) ATM, if anyone's interested.

[TamerBill]

Just got home, working on resetting for that now.

EDIT: Got it. Incidentally, while we're doing that, would you mind helping me grab two trade-evolutions? I forgot Porygon-Z when I was doing that batch before, so that means one evolution for that and one to replace the Porygon2.

No problem. Some time in the next five hours good for you?

[Qwertystop]

No problem. Some time in the next five hours good for you?

Does now work?

EDIT: It says there is a Pokemon that cannot be traded in my party, not letting me show it. You're playing from an XY, aren't you? It has Dragon Ascent, so it can't go there. Would you prefer I delete the move, or you switch to ORAS?

[TamerBill]

Does now work?

Hmm, having problems? Or is it me?

[Qwertystop]

Hmm, having problems? Or is it me?

It says there is a Pokemon that cannot be traded in my party, not letting me show it. You're playing from an XY, aren't you? It has Dragon Ascent, so it can't go there. Would you prefer I delete the move, or you switch to ORAS?

[TamerBill]

It says there is a Pokemon that cannot be traded in my party, not letting me show it. You're playing from an XY, aren't you? It has Dragon Ascent, so it can't go there. Would you prefer I delete the move, or you switch to ORAS?

Oh, whoops, of course. No worries, I'll toss the Xerneas over to Sapphire. I'll be back on as 'Bex' in a minute.

Edit: Apparently I don't even have the PlayNav on this guy yet, gimme a minute to tutorialize Wally first.

Edit 2: Pleasure doing business with you.

[Shekinah]

That Jigglypuff is going to give me nightmares.

When Muk looks better than Dragonair, something is wrong.

[noparlpf]

Is it just me or does that Machoke have one humanoid plantigrade foot and one digitigrade foot?

And why are there so many grotesque interpretations of Pokémon?

[Sasaisen]

Because GRIM and GRITTY and GRIMDARK, or something.

[Lord Raziere]

Because GRIM and GRITTY and GRIMDARK, or something.

yeah it never fails, for every franchise that sets a certain tone, there is always going to be a subset of fans that tries to go for an opposite tone and interpretation of the setting. with Pokemon its people making things more dark and serious. for WH40k itself, its actually making the setting more hopeful and light. strange no?

[Starwulf]

So, for those of you who enjoy breeding the pokemon in order to get top-tier stats on the 'mon you want to actually use, do you actually sift through your entire box and take them to "The Judge" to get an idea of their IV's? Curious, because for whatever reason I've decided to sort ALL of the 'mon I've caught in White 2 by their "potential" which of course involves me taking each and every single 'mon to "The Judge" to see where they are at. I've only made it through 2 boxes thus far in about an hour of going back n forth, which makes it a fairly slow & tedious project. On the plus side, I've found one "Outstanding" potential, and about 6 or 7 "relatively superior" potentials. Better yet the one "Outstanding" has TWO stats that can't be beats on him, which makes him fairly valuable I think for any breeding I might ever decide to do in the future.

[Qwertystop]

I only mark the can't-be-beats, and only check it for things that I'm currently working on breeding.

ION, I now have everything up to Gen 4 in my living dex, and most of 5.

[Derjuin]

So, for those of you who enjoy breeding the pokemon in order to get top-tier stats on the 'mon you want to actually use, do you actually sift through your entire box and take them to "The Judge" to get an idea of their IV's? Curious, because for whatever reason I've decided to sort ALL of the 'mon I've caught in White 2 by their "potential" which of course involves me taking each and every single 'mon to "The Judge" to see where they are at. I've only made it through 2 boxes thus far in about an hour of going back n forth, which makes it a fairly slow & tedious project. On the plus side, I've found one "Outstanding" potential, and about 6 or 7 "relatively superior" potentials. Better yet the one "Outstanding" has TWO stats that can't be beats on him, which makes him fairly valuable I think for any breeding I might ever decide to do in the future.

I judge them immediately after hatching, and only keep the ones with the stats I need. Once I hit the stat spread I want, I breed a few extras for trades or alternate movesets, mark them according to their stats, and box them. I rarely keep anything with lower than 4 or 5 max IVs, unless it is a legendary or very irritating to breed (lots of steps required, etc). Pokemon I catch in the wild I never judge, except the legendaries to check their stat spreads (usually via Psypoke (http://www.psypokes.com/dex/iv.php)'s calculator).

Of course, I also have a full array of dittos with each nature, a japanese one for shiny/increased egg laying speed, and several common group pokemon with almost perfect stats (one ralts and two snivys have actually perfect stat spreads, 31 straight across) for quickly getting up to 5 IVs; these help make breeding much less annoying.

[Sylthia]

I check only my breeding project pokes and I do it five at a time immediately after they hatch. I've got a couple boxes full of perfect 6 IVs that help a lot with breeding and I keep a dozen or so 4-5 IVers of each poke species. I tend to wonder trade the rest. I really hate releasing pokes, so my boxes are rather full right now.

[Unknown Jedi]

dose any one happen to still have a spare Shiny Rayquaza going? i be interested if they let me know thanks

[Aotrs Commander]

So, for those of you who enjoy breeding the pokemon in order to get top-tier stats on the 'mon you want to actually use, do you actually sift through your entire box and take them to "The Judge" to get an idea of their IV's? Curious, because for whatever reason I've decided to sort ALL of the 'mon I've caught in White 2 by their "potential" which of course involves me taking each and every single 'mon to "The Judge" to see where they are at. I've only made it through 2 boxes thus far in about an hour of going back n forth, which makes it a fairly slow & tedious project. On the plus side, I've found one "Outstanding" potential, and about 6 or 7 "relatively superior" potentials. Better yet the one "Outstanding" has TWO stats that can't be beats on him, which makes him fairly valuable I think for any breeding I might ever decide to do in the future.

I didn't worry about it vastly before Gen VI (though I would attempt to track for high IVs where I wanted through Serebii's calculator and tended up use the characteristic as a guide to whether I'd got one I hoped was better), as I considered the time investement to be not worth it. With Gen VI and the ability to breed max or near-max IV Pokemon MUCH more easily (being able to catch dittos with two max IVs in the wild, the destiny knot stuff etc etc), I have made more of it, having now an entire team for AS of specially bred 4 or 5 IV Pokemon (time for all max just ain't worth it for me!) and I'm working on starting breeding for my Y and nominal OR team.

[Lpaulb116]

dose any one happen to still have a spare Shiny Rayquaza going? i be interested if they let me know thanks

I have one that I haven't caught. Any particular nature or name?

[Sylthia]

I didn't worry about it vastly before Gen VI (though I would attempt to track for high IVs where I wanted through Serebii's calculator and tended up use the characteristic as a guide to whether I'd got one I hoped was better), as I considered the time investement to be not worth it. With Gen VI and the ability to breed max or near-max IV Pokemon MUCH more easily (being able to catch dittos with two max IVs in the wild, the destiny knot stuff etc etc), I have made more of it, having now an entire team for AS of specially bred 4 or 5 IV Pokemon (time for all max just ain't worth it for me!) and I'm working on starting breeding for my Y and nominal OR team.

Unless you're going for a mixed Attacker, one of your attack stats isn't going to come into play at all anyway, so 5IVs is all you need for most pokes.

[Unknown Jedi]

I have one that I haven't caught. Any particular nature or name?

cool the nature i not too fused about and i would like it unnamed.

what would you like for it?

[Lpaulb116]

cool the nature i not too fused about and i would like it unnamed.

what would you like for it?

What do you have?

[Unknown Jedi]

What do you have?

well i have a Diancie a latios a non shiny Rayquaza there on my omega ruby game

[noparlpf]

I check only my breeding project pokes and I do it five at a time immediately after they hatch. I've got a couple boxes full of perfect 6 IVs that help a lot with breeding and I keep a dozen or so 4-5 IVers of each poke species. I tend to wonder trade the rest. I really hate releasing pokes, so my boxes are rather full right now.

Same, except I find Wonder Trading too tedious so I just release most of the ones with fewer than four 31s (or ones with 31 in the wrong attack stat). Occasionally if I'm doing something with a bothersome-to-get HA or egg moves I'll WT a handful of 3- or 4-IV females.

[Lpaulb116]

well i have a Diancie a latios a non shiny Rayquaza there on my omega ruby game
Do you have an Entei, Suicune, or Raikou

[Ogremindes]

Watching the Pokethon marathon inspired me to pick up White 2 again. I just finished it, as in beating the E4. It's a much better game than I remember, but damn, everything has rock slide. Felt like every time I sent out anything weak to rock (which was often, with Arcanine, Braviary and Galvantula in my team and why is my spellchecker considering those words?) they'd get a rock slide to the face.

[Starwulf]

Watching the Pokethon marathon inspired me to pick up White 2 again. I just finished it, as in beating the E4. It's a much better game than I remember, but damn, everything has rock slide. Felt like every time I sent out anything weak to rock (which was often, with Arcanine, Braviary and Galvantula in my team and why is my spellchecker considering those words?) they'd get a rock slide to the face.

Wait till you do more of the post-game stuff. EVERYTHING has earthquake. It's a major PITA for just about all of my team. Only my Zoroark and Flygon aren't terribly bothered by(Well, Flygon is flat out immune). Or hell, rechallenge the E4 with their improved levels. They'll spam earthquake non-stop I swear.

[Unknown Jedi]

Do you have an Entei, Suicune, or Raikou

i do have an Entei but its on my Y game and i not able to put it to my O ruby game my self

[Qwertystop]

My team for the current Battle Spot competition is not complicated, and it really shouldn't be doing so well.

Open with Magnezone and Rotom-toaster. Rotom maybe burns something, maybe Overheats something. Magnezone sets up double screens and then usually dies or sometimes Explodes. Send out Electivire with Focus Band, spam Earthquake. Rotom at this point mostly just spams Rest to continue taking up space so I don't need to send out my next, but if it's safe he might Overheat or Shadow Ball something that survives. If one of those two goes down, replace with Eelektross. Special, not physical, and specced for an awful gimmick (Coil into accurate Zap Cannon) because I trained it back in Y before the move tutors opened up good physical moves, but it usually has enough power to clean up the scraps. I think I've won more than two-thirds of my matches like that (does anyone know where I can check the records)?

[Starwulf]

Woot! Just finished off White Treehollow last night in my White 2 adventure. I have to say, I had more issues with the regular trainers then I did against Alders grandson(Bengal I think?). Seems like every other person had a Haxorus that would use Dragon Dance immediately. Thank god for the guaranteed nurse on every floor. Bengal himself was a cakewalk though, I one-shotted every last one of his guys, he never even touched me. So, I now have a Shiny Dratini!!

Speaking of shinies, are all shinies a separate color? I noticed that Dratini is purple, which made me think that all shinies are their own separate color(Like the Shiny Garados that you get in one of the previous games is Red).

[ScionoftheVoid]

Woot! Just finished off White Treehollow last night in my White 2 adventure. I have to say, I had more issues with the regular trainers then I did against Alders grandson(Bengal I think?). Seems like every other person had a Haxorus that would use Dragon Dance immediately. Thank god for the guaranteed nurse on every floor. Bengal himself was a cakewalk though, I one-shotted every last one of his guys, he never even touched me. So, I now have a Shiny Dratini!!

Speaking of shinies, are all shinies a separate color? I noticed that Dratini is purple, which made me think that all shinies are their own separate color(Like the Shiny Garados that you get in one of the previous games is Red).

Yes, shinies are always a distinct colour from the normal examples of the species, and all shinies of a species are the same colour as the other shinies of that species (all shiny Gyarados are red, not just the guaranteed one, for example). It's a bit hard to tell with some, though. Lantern, non-Mega Gengar and Garchomp, and Galvantula are a few examples of shinies that are a little disappointingly similar to their normal hues.

[enderlord99]

Speaking of shinies, are all shinies a separate color?

That's basically what the term means.

[Starwulf]

That's basically what the term means.

I was going by the actual definition of the word, which just means something is bright in color, not actually a different color ^^ I was picturing shiny pokemon to just be like...Ultra bright versions of themselves with sparkles or something. Now I have to wonder if I've ever encountered them in the wild and just not noticed. I tend to play before I go to sleep so it's quite possible/likely I've encountered one and not even noticed it was a different color. Ahh well, at least now I know that for a fact. I always thought the Red Gyrados was just a super special Gyrados, and that a normal shiny one was just...Brighter blue.

[Domino Quartz]

I was going by the actual definition of the word, which just means something is bright in color, not actually a different color ^^ I was picturing shiny pokemon to just be like...Ultra bright versions of themselves with sparkles or something. Now I have to wonder if I've ever encountered them in the wild and just not noticed. I tend to play before I go to sleep so it's quite possible/likely I've encountered one and not even noticed it was a different color. Ahh well, at least now I know that for a fact. I always thought the Red Gyrados was just a super special Gyrados, and that a normal shiny one was just...Brighter blue.

As I understand it, they were originally called "shiny" because in the original Gold and Silver, shiny pokemon made a *ding* sort of sound with sparkles. The reason for that was that Gold and Silver could be played on the original monochrome Gameboy, and so it would have been the only way to tell that a pokemon was shiny if you were playing it on that system. A better term would be "alternate colour" or something.

[Lpaulb116]

i do have an Entei but its on my Y game and i not able to put it to my O ruby game my self

Then is the Diancie good?

[TamerBill]

As I understand it, they were originally called "shiny" because in the original Gold and Silver, shiny pokemon made a *ding* sort of sound with sparkles. The reason for that was that Gold and Silver could be played on the original monochrome Gameboy, and so it would have been the only way to tell that a pokemon was shiny if you were playing it on that system. A better term would be "alternate colour" or something.

"Alternate coloured" was the official term, but "shiny" was too ingrained in the public consciousness, so they switched to using that. They always sparkle and 'ping' when they show up, though, so even for the similarly-coloured ones you'd have to be trying pretty hard to miss them.

[MesiDoomstalker]

"Alternate coloured" was the official term, but "shiny" was too ingrained in the public consciousness, so they switched to using that. They always sparkle and 'ping' when they show up, though, so even for the similarly-coloured ones you'd have to be trying pretty hard to miss them.

Unless you play without volume and were momentarily distracted... :smallfrown:

[Unknown Jedi]

Then is the Diancie good?

well i not great a telling whats a good pokemon or not but might be able to get my Entei over to the right game might take a day thought

Diancie is a Naive nature not sure on the ivs

[noparlpf]

How the heck did this guy's M-Ampharos outspeed my scarfed Electivire? No Emolga on the team and no Agility.

[TamerBill]

How the heck did this guy's M-Ampharos outspeed my scarfed Electivire? No Emolga on the team and no Agility.

Quick Claw? Custap Berry? Wait, Mega-stone. Uh, Electro Web? You forgot to EV train speed? Even running off base Ampharos' stats Electivire should be faster.

[Starwulf]

"Alternate coloured" was the official term, but "shiny" was too ingrained in the public consciousness, so they switched to using that. They always sparkle and 'ping' when they show up, though, so even for the similarly-coloured ones you'd have to be trying pretty hard to miss them.

Apparently even Zoroark when he mimics a Shiny will do the whole "Sparkle sparkle Ding" bit. I find it hilarious to keep my Dratini in my last position just for that reason.

[noparlpf]

Quick Claw? Custap Berry? Wait, Mega-stone. Uh, Electro Web? You forgot to EV train speed? Even running off base Ampharos' stats Electivire should be faster.

I think that even if it did get one Agility and I missed it an Electivire with Choice Scarf should outspeed it, right? Weird.

By the way, I don't pay attention to these things, so is there a Pokégen or Action Replay or something out for 3DS nowadays? I've run into a couple of all-shiny teams during the Pikachu Cup and more than one shiny on the team is a bit improbable.

[Qwertystop]

The Pikachu Cup is allowing pokemon from earlier generations for some reason - earlier generations had hacking. I've run into a few too.

[TamerBill]

The Pikachu Cup is allowing pokemon from earlier generations for some reason - earlier generations had hacking. I've run into a few too.

Not even just earlier gens now, there was that whole QR code thing letting people import whatever they pleased into their games. Was patched out, but the hold-outs can still do it and pass the things around.

[Unknown Jedi]

now got the Entei on my O ruby game

[Starwulf]

So, still putting off moving over to X, and while I was messing around on White 2 last night, a thought/idea occurred to me. They should add some form of actual romance into the game. I mean, they basically did all the prerequisite stuff in White/Black 2 with Yancy/Whomever, and then they just stopped. Why not add a bit more side content in later games just like that whole bit, but make it a bit more in-depth. Is that something anyone here would be interested in? If not, why not?(I Imagine for most it would be "I don't want no peanut butter in my chocolate!" kinda thing, for fear that it would dilute the main aspect of the game to much).

[MesiDoomstalker]

So, still putting off moving over to X, and while I was messing around on White 2 last night, a thought/idea occurred to me. They should add some form of actual romance into the game. I mean, they basically did all the prerequisite stuff in White/Black 2 with Yancy/Whomever, and then they just stopped. Why not add a bit more side content in later games just like that whole bit, but make it a bit more in-depth. Is that something anyone here would be interested in? If not, why not?(I Imagine for most it would be "I don't want no peanut butter in my chocolate!" kinda thing, for fear that it would dilute the main aspect of the game to much).

I'd mainly oppose because the tone of the games wouldn't match. Not to spoil anything, but XY has a small moment that borders on romantic and it completely killed the scene it was in because it came out of left-field for no reason and wasn't even that relevant to the scene. Of course, its not mentioned again.

[Aotrs Commander]

Also Pokemon is designed to appeal to a generally considerably younger audience than most other RPGs (i.e. children); a bit like My Little Pony, the fact it has general appeal was something of a bonus that they've just run with! Pokemon also usually features preteen characters, come to that (I think B2W2's characters are supposed to be a bit older maybe?) You also don't get any dialgue control (like an IE or Bioware RPG), or even a modest number of JRPGs that feature it give you some choice; it'd thus basically be as on rails as the rest of the game.

So romance is... a little iffy as a proposition for several reasons.

I think the aforementioned scene in XY is about as far as they could sensibly go.

[noparlpf]

The only reason Pokémon has such a big adult audience is because most of us have stuck with it since childhood/adolescence. The target audience is still kids.

I think the scene in XY was meant to be a friendship scene, but it was kinda awkwardly executed.

[MesiDoomstalker]

The only reason Pokémon has such a big adult audience is because most of us have stuck with it since childhood/adolescence. The target audience is still kids.

I think the scene in XY was meant to be a friendship scene, but it was kinda awkwardly executed.

I agree its intent was friendship, but myself and a few others (hardly a representative or statistically relevant sample, I'll grant) first reaction was "this is weird, why are we getting all lovey dovey?"

[Sylthia]

How old are the XY protagonists supposed to be? I was thinking 16ish like BW, and anime Serena looks nothing like game Serena because they wanted to de-age her for some dumb reason.

Of course we could always add romance to the breeding system. Gotta get those eggs somehow.

[noparlpf]

How old are the XY protagonists supposed to be? I was thinking 16ish like BW, and anime Serena looks nothing like game Serena because they wanted to de-age her for some dumb reason.

Of course we could always add romance to the breeding system. Gotta get those eggs somehow.

I think in BW Hilbert/Hilda were 14 (16 when you meet them as NPCs in BW2). I'm not sure how old Nate/Rosa were supposed to be in BW2. I also have no idea how old Calem/Serena are supposed to be in XY, but I got a younger vibe from some of the NPC friend group so I figured they were no older than 14 again.

Edit: I already see way too much "sexy Gardevoir" and the like online. So let's not add an option to romance your Pokémon in-game. :smalltongue:

[MesiDoomstalker]

I think in BW Hilbert/Hilda were 14 (16 when you meet them as NPCs in BW2). I'm not sure how old Nate/Rosa were supposed to be in BW2. I also have no idea how old Calem/Serena are supposed to be in XY, but I got a younger vibe from some of the NPC friend group so I figured they were no older than 14 again.

Edit: I already see way too much "sexy Gardevoir" and the like online. So let's not add an option to romance your Pokémon in-game. :smalltongue:

Just in comparison to the other 'rivals' (I use that term loosely) I'd put the age range of about 10-15, with Serena/Calem being on the higher end of that.

[enderlord99]

Not to spoil anything, but XY has a small moment that borders on romantic and it completely killed the scene it was in because it came out of left-field for no reason and wasn't even that relevant to the scene.
You mean the fireworks scene?
Of course, its not mentioned again.Yeah, I think you mean the fireworks scene. That thing was stupid!

[Hiro Protagonest]

ORAS has a good amount of teasing. When you're talking to May in Sootopolis, when you're at the pond after beating the Pokémon League, and at the end of the Delta Episode.

Now, when I thought of how to put romance into Pokémon (I have that é copy-pasted right now :smalltongue:), I immediately thought of Rune Factory, a lighthearted series where the games vary from E to E10+. There's also Harvest Moon, which it's based off of, but Harvest Moon has less "adventure!". There are a few differences with Rune Factory, though.

*Player-characters are at least eighteen.
*Player-characters talk. They have fairly generic likable outgoing personalities, but they still make smalltalk, compliment, tease, etc.
*Player-characters stay in one damn town. They go to the wilderness to fight monsters, but they always return to their own home for the night.
*Player-characters also have their own houses and steady jobs, but that's more about marriage.

However, the biggest problem is...

*Romance is not part of Pokémon's core identity! Marriage was a prominent feature in the original Harvest Moon, and has stuck to the series ever since. A significant amount of budget goes to the character writing, and quality of the love interests is very much taken into account by fans of the series.

[Sylthia]

I think in BW Hilbert/Hilda were 14 (16 when you meet them as NPCs in BW2). I'm not sure how old Nate/Rosa were supposed to be in BW2. I also have no idea how old Calem/Serena are supposed to be in XY, but I got a younger vibe from some of the NPC friend group so I figured they were no older than 14 again.

Edit: I already see way too much "sexy Gardevoir" and the like online. So let's not add an option to romance your Pokémon in-game. :smalltongue:

I meant poke-poke romance not poke-human romance, but I won't judge.

[noparlpf]

(I have that é copy-pasted right now :smalltongue:)

On Windows (I don't know anything about Macs and I know almost nothing about Linux; breaking Mint on day two scared me off for a little while) you can just type Alt-130 to get an é.


I meant poke-poke romance not poke-human romance, but I won't judge.

Well yeah, but the less we know about what goes on at the daycare the better.

[Aotrs Commander]

Never quite grapsed why Gardevoir in particular is... popular? enough with that segment of the fanbase to be notably visible as being so to those of us outside that segment.

(Or whether it is in practise, or just appears to be to us not in the know.)

Perhaps it's the combination of humanoid shape and the eyes...?

I dunno.

(Mind you, I don't really see what humans see in other humans, so I'm hardly in a position to be able to understand at the best of times. Like clothes, sports, soaps, foreign languages or knots, some things just completely bypass all my understanding.)

[Lpaulb116]

...knots...

Wait, what?

[Unknown Jedi]

added you to my friends list if you want to trade still Lpaulb116

[Lpaulb116]

I still want to trade but it'll have to be this weekend, I haven't had time to play much because school started up again this week

[Unknown Jedi]

I still want to trade but it'll have to be this weekend, I haven't had time to play much because school started up again this week

well i am online now but not sure over the weekend

[Starwulf]

Is there any way to predict when a Pokemon Outbreak will be in a specific area in White 2? I've been waiting for one to happen in the Desert Resort so I can a Hippodown to trade to the chick in one of the last towns, but it has not popped up in two weeks. My only fear is that the one night I didn't play the game due to not getting to bed until noon is the time that it showed up, and that was just a few days ago which means if has a specific pattern I could be waiting for a while yet.

[Hiro Protagonest]

It's random. In Gen 5, if you haven't saved the game during that day, you can soft-reset (or just turn the DS off and on again) and it'll have a different swarm.

[Starwulf]

It's random. In Gen 5, if you haven't saved the game during that day, you can soft-reset (or just turn the DS off and on again) and it'll have a different swarm.

Oooh, really? Sweet, guess before I go to sleep this morning I'll be doing that :) Thanks for the tip!

[Aotrs Commander]

Wait, what?

I have a mental blank with knots. I mean, beyond the "tie-your-own-shoelaces." Despite even being taight proper knots on more than one occasion, the knowledge just dribbles out of my skull. So when required to tie knots it is a somewhat... arbitary and messy process.

[Starwulf]

I have a mental blank with knots. I mean, beyond the "tie-your-own-shoelaces." Despite even being taight proper knots on more than one occasion, the knowledge just dribbles out of my skull. So when required to tie knots it is a somewhat... arbitary and messy process.

Honestly, I would imagine most people don't actually know how to tie knots beyond the tying of their shoelaces, and for fishermen whatever knot you were taught to tie your hook on. Like you I was taught how to tie several different knots(while I was in the military) and I couldn't tie one of those now to save my life. My dad is actually the only person I know that can tie any kind of knot beyond shoelaces, and he can do several, comes from growing up on a farm in the 50's. I literally can't name even one more person that can actually tie a knot beyond him.

[noparlpf]

I can tie an overhand knot (duh), a square knot (same thing but the second knot is reversed), a basic slip knot (same thing but the second knot is around the loop of the first knot), and I forget how to tie the half-dozen other knots I used to know. Oh, and of course a destiny knot. :smalltongue:

[Sylthia]

I know how to do quite a few knots for surgery. Unfortunately, the attending always wants to you to tie the knots their way, so if you just try to do it the way you usually do it, you get yelled at for doing it wrong.

[Starwulf]

It's random. In Gen 5, if you haven't saved the game during that day, you can soft-reset (or just turn the DS off and on again) and it'll have a different swarm.

(I Know I already replied to this, but wanted to specifically address you again, and on this very topic, so didn't see any other way about it). So I have to say, I thought you were dead wrong about this. I hopped onto my White 2 this morning and went to the nearest monitor to see where the daily pokemon outbreak was. Route 1. Soft-reset, checked again: Route 1. Reloaded, checked again: Route 1. I was like "Alright...maybe he was wrong, maybe it was the original black/white. Buuutt, I'll give it two more tries". Reloaded and that time I finally got a different one(9). Took me like 7 more resets to get Desert Resort.

Damn game tricked me >< I thought I had finally encountered(and caught) my first ever shiny pokemon, a Darumaka in Desert Resort, but as it turns out it's just one of N's pokemon that you can catch after you do the memory link. So sad :-(.

[enderlord99]

You know, Team Rocket's theme-song seems fitting for someone opposing all of the other Teams. It's probably a coincidence, but who knows...

"To protect the world from devas (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Aqua)tation (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Magma)
To unite all peoples (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Flare) within our nation
To denounce the evils of Truth and Love (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Plasma)
To extend our reach to the stars above (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Galactic)"

...Yes, I realize I'm not the first person to notice this.

[noparlpf]

I know how to do quite a few knots for surgery. Unfortunately, the attending always wants to you to tie the knots their way, so if you just try to do it the way you usually do it, you get yelled at for doing it wrong.

Pretty sure so far all I've learned is basically a tiny overhand knot tied with forceps instead of fingers, but presumably once I'm actually up to surgery in school I'll learn some fancier things.

[Sylthia]

Pretty sure so far all I've learned is basically a tiny overhand knot tied with forceps instead of fingers, but presumably once I'm actually up to surgery in school I'll learn some fancier things.

Pretty much 95% we use the needle driver and pick-ups and use the hand ties only for the bigger tendons and stuff.


You know, Team Rocket's theme-song seems fitting for someone opposing all of the other Teams. It's probably a coincidence, but who knows...

"To protect the world from devas (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Aqua)tation (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Magma)
To unite all peoples (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Flare) within our nation
To denounce the evils of Truth and Love (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Plasma)
To extend our reach to the stars above (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Team_Galactic)"

...Yes, I realize I'm not the first person to notice this.

And "Prepare for trouble, make it double." could be Team Snagem, since you always do Doubles Battles in the GameCube games.

[Qwertystop]

Well, keep in mind: All of the other teams have goals somewhere on a scale of "destroy or seriously damage the world," except for Plasma which is still completely rewriting the status quo. Team Rocket just wants money and possibly political power - same world but them in a better position. They've got plenty of reason to oppose the other teams, between "I like the world, it's where I keep my stuff" and "if we're seen stopping all these geocidal maniacs it improves our image".

I mean, the specific trio that uses that motto in the anime are idiot petty-crooks/kidnappers, but the team in general seems rather more competent.

[Woodzyowl]

Discounting stealth rock, my Dragon E4 team only has one move that's super effective against ice types (flamethrower on my scarfed Hydreigon) and 4 pokemon with earthquake. I'm considering either replacing Dragonite's earthquake with something (Stone Edge? Fire Punch?) or replacing my Haxorus with HA Tyrantrum, in which case I'd like another Fairy-type coverage move (maybe Iron Head, doubling as backup super effective against ice if Head Smash somehow runs out of PP?). Any thoughts?

[Aotrs Commander]

Well, keep in mind: All of the other teams have goals somewhere on a scale of "destroy or seriously damage the world," except for Plasma which is still completely rewriting the status quo. Team Rocket just wants money and possibly political power - same world but them in a better position. They've got plenty of reason to oppose the other teams, between "I like the world, it's where I keep my stuff" and "if we're seen stopping all these geocidal maniacs it improves our image".

That's the angle Saphroneth plays up in his (ongoing) Ashes of the Past fanfic on fimfic. Wherein team plasma's boss goes back and tried again and does destroy the world, so Arceus basically sends back Ash to stop him; Ash learns to use aura and among the other things, it allows him to remind people (i.e. the major characters) of the first time. Which leads to Team Rocket (i.e. Jessie, James and Meowth) actually becoming Giovanni's favourites. Ash basically makes them a deal to NOT keeping chasing him around and failing, but to allow them to try occasionally (seriously) and make it look good for their bosses. And - rather like what happens in the show when they stop trying to be petty criminals - when not doing that, they succeed wildly and grant Team Rocket some very good PR whenever they're on hand to help Ash save the world. It also means - unlike the show - they are not over-used.

I actually rather recommend that story; it's a hoary old concept, yes, but Saphroneth executes it very well, with both a very healthy dose of humour and a lot of high-stakes Pokemon battle scenes. (He manages to keep the threat level up, despite pushing the power-level up!) Giving Ash (and company) the ability to use Aura to undestand their Pokemon also allowsed him to develop their personalities even more, often to great hilarity. (Noctowl is terribly British, tally ho and all that, Squirtle discovers Toppa LaGurren, Bulbasaur reveals his long and complex family history when he keeps showing moves that Bulbasaur aren't really suppoed to learn...!) It's grand fun, and never takes itself too seriously.

[Hiro Protagonest]

It also means - unlike the show - they are not over-used.

Yeah. When I saw the opening of the XY movie with the full remix of the old theme (which does have some new lyrics), I saw Team Rocket and was like "these guys are still around? Well, not worth watching the XY series then".

[Illven]

So playing Alpha Sapphire. Can I really not enter New Mauville until after Kyogre?

[TamerBill]

So playing Alpha Sapphire. Can I really not enter New Mauville until after Kyogre?

That's right, it's been pushed back a little since the originals.

[Illven]

That's right, it's been pushed back a little since the originals.

Well crisis was averted as I could still catch my electric type from the entrance.

[Starwulf]

Well I finally started Pokemon X! First impressions: A: Wow! I get exp even when I catch the pokemon now. That's always a nice thing :). B: There's no more "Rustling Grass"?! No more Audino's to level up on?! NOOOOOOOOOOOO That kinda sucks.

Haven't made it very far honestly, just into Santalune Forest, as I spent about 20 minutes trying to get the grass in Route 2 to rustle. Le'Sigh. Also, my luck sucks apparently. Walked in the grass for about 15 minutes trying to get a Bunnelby to appear(only knew it could because that's what Serena fought in the grass when she gave me and the other girl a demonstration on how to catch pokemon). Instead I continuously got Scatterbug, Fletchling and Pidgey showing up.

Takes a bit getting used to the new movement and viewpoint. For now I think I still prefer the older games viewpoint, honestly could do without the nicer animations and what not.

[OracleofWuffing]

I seem to remember- and this was a while back, so it might not even be on the table- someone offering spare Goletts from a breeding project. I'm trying to get an adamant one with Iron Fist, but going through my stock, all the ones I have are Klutz, and for whatever reason I don't have a Trace pokemon in XY. Before I went and caught and bred more pokemon than necessary, I thought I'd check if those were still available?

[Domino Quartz]

Well I finally started Pokemon X! First impressions: A: Wow! I get exp even when I catch the pokemon now. That's always a nice thing :). B: There's no more "Rustling Grass"?! No more Audino's to level up on?! NOOOOOOOOOOOO That kinda sucks.

You really, really don't need Audino to level up sufficiently in X & Y. Once you get the Exp. Share, which you get after defeating Viola, you won't have any trouble leveling up unless you choose not to use it. The Exp. Share works differently in X & Y in that it gives full experience to any pokemon that participated in the battle, and half experience to all others in your party, along with any other experience bonuses like from trading, etc.

[Starwulf]

You really, really don't need Audino to level up sufficiently in X & Y. Once you get the Exp. Share, which you get after defeating Viola, you won't have any trouble leveling up unless you choose not to use it. The Exp. Share works differently in X & Y in that it gives full experience to any pokemon that participated in the battle, and half experience to all others in your party, along with any other experience bonuses like from trading, etc.

I was actually started to suspect that last night while I was playing, I'd switch a pokemon out to another one and they were both getting the same level of exp. Still, going to miss the rustling mechanic, for all the frustration it was, it was still a neat way to guarantee a rarer spawn.

So far I've managed to catch ALL the starting pokemon in the first initial 3 areas(Route between starting city and Santalune Forest, Santalune Forest, and the route immediately after that). For now I'm going to be using the Panpour I caught, as well as Pikachu, Chespin and the FarFetch I traded a Bunnelby for. Think I might end up going with a Litleo for my fire type, not sure yet. Panpour is absolutely going to be replaced later on, once I find a better water type(I just don't like the "Pan" series of pokemon, they annoy me).

Still debating on whether or not Pikachu will be a mainstay on my team or not. I haven't ran with a Pikachu since Yellow, but at the same time, I try to run with a different set of Pokemon in each game I play, which also puts me in a quandry because I wanted to raise another Lucario just because of the ability to Mega-Evolve....Decisions, decisions!

Haven't challenged first gym leader yet, taking all 6 of my current party pokemon to level 10 beforehand.

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

I recommend running Pikachu until you can get Helioptile.

[Illven]

Hey is it possible to trade long distance with friends in Gen 4 or 5?

Or was that feature shut down?

[TamerBill]

Hey is it possible to trade long distance with friends in Gen 4 or 5?

Or was that feature shut down?

Gone with the winds. Everything before 6th Gen is local only now

[Aotrs Commander]

I turn the XP share off automatically, since otherwise it is SO easy to overlevel. I'm actually not a fan of the XP for capture, either, for the same reason. (And I restrict myself to only fighting trainers and not grinding until maybe before the E4; didn't even need to do that with X.)

[Hiro Protagonest]

I like exp for capture because it actually gives you a reason to add to the pokedex during the main story.

[Sasaisen]

New Exp. Share is amazing when grinding up teams for competition (Le Wow + Exp. Share + Rotation Battle + L100 Talonflame = :D), but I agree it made the games way too easy. My team was L80 when I hit the Elite Four, with almost no grinding. I really wish they'd held on to the old Exp. Share; the new one should have been brought in as the Exp. All (hey, callback!) and given out in postgame.

[noparlpf]

New Exp. Share is amazing when grinding up teams for competition (Le Wow + Exp. Share + Rotation Battle + L100 Talonflame = :D), but I agree it made the games way too easy. My team was L80 when I hit the Elite Four, with almost no grinding. I really wish they'd held on to the old Exp. Share; the new one should have been brought in as the Exp. All (hey, callback!) and given out in postgame.

Personally I like Le Wow Rotation + Exp Share + Exp Power lvl 3 + Lucky Eggs for all.

[Qwertystop]

Le Wow Rotation got dull for me, so now I pick a random route and clear out all the trainer rematches and bases in it. Especially the bases. Still sometimes do Le Wow, though, because I can basically just ignore it and tap A a couple of times every minute or so.

[noparlpf]

Le Wow Rotation got dull for me, so now I pick a random route and clear out all the trainer rematches and bases in it. Especially the bases. Still sometimes do Le Wow, though, because I can basically just ignore it and tap A a couple of times every minute or so.

I mean I only level grind while I'm watching something else so I don't have to sit through the same five battles (which are basically a series of OHKOs or Protects) a million times.

[Starwulf]

New Exp. Share is amazing when grinding up teams for competition (Le Wow + Exp. Share + Rotation Battle + L100 Talonflame = :D), but I agree it made the games way too easy. My team was L80 when I hit the Elite Four, with almost no grinding. I really wish they'd held on to the old Exp. Share; the new one should have been brought in as the Exp. All (hey, callback!) and given out in postgame.

I was starting to get worried about whether or not I should have the Exp.share on, but if it's only level 80 by the time you hit the E4, that's really not that bad. I'm a grinder. I don't like my battles being to terribly challenging, I enjoy being vastly over-leveled for content, and I'm usually closer to 70 then I am 60 when I first hit the E4 anyways, I don't see 10 levels being to much of a difference. Now if I was 100 by the time I hit them...I'd imagine that would be a bit boring.

[Sasaisen]

Personally I like Le Wow Rotation + Exp Share + Exp Power lvl 3 + Lucky Eggs for all.

Yeah, forgot a couple of pluses in there.

[Starwulf]

So here's an interesting question for everyone: Is it possible to legitimately acquire 999 master balls? I've been looking for a cheap copy of Black 2 on Ebay lately(would make it the first time I've ever attempted to get both versions of the same generation), and I came across someone selling a Black 2 claiming to have every pokemon available up to that point, including all the event pokemon, AND 999 of EVERY item, including Master Balls. Now normally I'd just say "Ahh, they hacked it" and leave it at that, but this person claims that they have not used ANY hacks whatsoever and that everything on the cart is 100% legitimate. Says they didn't use any Action Replay, no Pokegen, or any of several other hacks(I'm assuming they listed all of the major ones).

So my question is: Is that even possible? 999 of every item seems quite possible honestly, except 999 Master Balls. That would require a LOT of grinding one game over and over again to the point where you get a Master Ball, then trade that over to another game, then resetting and doing it all over again. That would require thousands and thousands of hours of grinding. Which again...seems possible, BUT here's the kicker: He has TWO games up where he claims to have them 999 of every item perfectly legitly. Which tells me he's either a lying bastard, or the most dedicated person in the world to Pokemon.

[OracleofWuffing]

Yeah, it's possible to get that many Master Balls. Don't forget that the in-game lotteries have had prizes for Master Balls since gen 2. Heck, if you're incredibly lucky with your secret base pals in ORAS, you can theoretically get five Master Balls a day.

That said, uh, no. The auctioneer is either lying or very creatively telling the truth from a very specific certain point of view. But can't realistically be proven wrong.

[noparlpf]

I won a Master Ball at the lotto in X once.

But yeah, no way, why would you even stop to consider that somebody on ebay would be telling the truth when it's obviously hacked?

[Starwulf]

I won a Master Ball at the lotto in X once.

But yeah, no way, why would you even stop to consider that somebody on ebay would be telling the truth when it's obviously hacked?

Because I like to try to assume the best of people usually. I'm just realist enough to realize that the world is a dark place full of liars and d-bags and much, much worse ^^.

[Qwertystop]

Possible but really unreasonable. If it was just items that it was reasonable to grind, maybe, but not all items.

[tgva8889]

Question of judgment for you all:

I'm currently attempting to Nuzlocke my way through every single generation with my brother, using remakes of gens 1 and 2 because our game packs of those have run out of battery by now. I'm currently on Platinum. My brother conceded Platinum a long time ago. I just finished Cynthia, but I lost half my team and am left with a very small box (there really aren't very many different regions in Platinum as it turns out). Do you think I should declare a win for defeating the Pokemon League and not require myself to visit the Battle Frontier island, or do you think I should be required to finish that secondary plot?

[Illven]

Question of judgment for you all:

I'm currently attempting to Nuzlocke my way through every single generation with my brother, using remakes of gens 1 and 2 because our game packs of those have run out of battery by now. I'm currently on Platinum. My brother conceded Platinum a long time ago. I just finished Cynthia, but I lost half my team and am left with a very small box (there really aren't very many different regions in Platinum as it turns out). Do you think I should declare a win for defeating the Pokemon League and not require myself to visit the Battle Frontier island, or do you think I should be required to finish that secondary plot?

I called mine complete after beating the Pokemon league.

[Sylthia]

Question of judgment for you all:

I'm currently attempting to Nuzlocke my way through every single generation with my brother, using remakes of gens 1 and 2 because our game packs of those have run out of battery by now. I'm currently on Platinum. My brother conceded Platinum a long time ago. I just finished Cynthia, but I lost half my team and am left with a very small box (there really aren't very many different regions in Platinum as it turns out). Do you think I should declare a win for defeating the Pokemon League and not require myself to visit the Battle Frontier island, or do you think I should be required to finish that secondary plot?

I think declaring victory after completing the PokeLeague is pretty standard.

[Sasaisen]

Hypothetically, were someone to finagle multiple Raffle Shops in Join Avenue (before the WiFi shutdown, because otherwise you won't have enough visitors to establish those shops) and figure out how to RNG them (AFAIK no one on the internet has bothered), they could legitimately (for some values of legitimacy) obtain plenty of Master Balls in a reasonable time frame.

Or, since clearly they're of a mind to bend/break the game and nothing is different about "hacked" items, they could skip all the jumping through hoops and bust out the action replay.

[Illven]

Guess who has two thumbs and caught a Shiny Fletchling.

[Woodzyowl]

Guess who has two thumbs and caught a Shiny Fletchling.

Leeroy Jenkins? :smalltongue:
Grats!

[enderlord99]

Guess who has two thumbs and caught a Shiny Fletchling.

Muhammad Lee!

[Starwulf]

So I came across some interesting information that I couldn't find anywhere else when I tried to find out about it. It's probably nothing anyone here would be interested in, but figured I'd share it just in case. As most of you are aware, in White2/Black2 you find a lost Xtransceiver and eventually you can end up trading pokemon with the owner(Yancy/Nancy if you're a male, and I don't know the name of the Male counterpart). What you may not know(because again, no site indicates this) is that once you've gotten all the pokemon from them(Meowth is the first, Togepi is the last, there's about 10 or so in all), they will start the cycle over again. So if you ever need more then one Togepi(that's the only pokemon I could imagine anyone would want doubles of that she'll trade), that's how to get it.

On another note(and I'm sure this is 100% coincidence), the Meowth she traded me last night had Relatively Superior potential as compared to every other pokemon she traded me just having Decent/Above Average potential. Again, I'm well aware it's certainly coincidence, but it's pretty cool that it happened like that :)

[John Cribati]

https://youtu.be/lKUwVYUKii4

Discuss.

[Aotrs Commander]

I think those people are getting FAR too excited over mobile app game.

Unless Nintendo are actually planning some sort of global environmental catastrophy by releasing actual Pokemon into the wild or something.

Also... It concerns me a little with random placement of Pokemon, because you can all too easily see someone following a signal (especially a child or teenager) and ending up somewhere they shouldn't.

[Qwertystop]

https://youtu.be/lKUwVYUKii4

Discuss.

Knew what it was as soon as I saw it was with Niantic. Expecting the same of this as of Ingress - some people might be into it but the CG makes it look a lot more fun in the trailer than it will actually be to play.

[noparlpf]

If they do AR with Pokémon being inserted into the image when you look at the world through the camera that might be cool.

[Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll]

If they do AR with Pokémon being inserted into the image when you look at the world through the camera that might be cool.

That would be the way that the game would be worth it. Otherwise it's just Ingress plus pokemon battles

[enderlord99]

Would "General Tso" or "Colonel Sanders" be a better name for a blaziken? I'm leaning towards the former, because it's a fire-type, but I'm not sure...

[Svata]

Either or. I'd go with Tso, personally. Also, shouldn't that be in the pokemon thread?

[enderlord99]

Either or. I'd go with Tso, personally. Also, shouldn't that be in the pokemon thread?

Yes. I thought that's where I put it; it wasn't.

Sorry about that...

[Svata]

Eh, took me until the edit to realize it. Doesn't bother me. But if you want advice, I'd put it there as well.

[OracleofWuffing]

Eh, Simpsons Google did it already.

That said, welcome to the closest thing we'll get to an official Pokemon MMO for the next five years or so. :smalltongue:

[Qwertystop]

Eh, Simpsons Google did it already.

That said, welcome to the closest thing we'll get to an official Pokemon MMO for the next five years or so. :smalltongue:

Well, yes. Niantic, the company Nintendo's partnering with for this, started off as the sub-company Google made to run the did-it-already.

[noparlpf]

That would be the way that the game would be worth it. Otherwise it's just Ingress plus pokemon battles

I have no idea what Ingress is actually like but from the Wikipedia description it sounds kinda boring.

[Haruki-kun]

The Winged Mod: Moved a couple of posts from another thread into this one. Letting you guys know so that you don't get confused.

Might hurt yourself in your confusion. I'm hilarious, I know.

[boj0]

So Zygarde had it's other forms revealed today, the tiny blobs are cells, a 10% dog-like speed mode, the normal Zygarde is revealed to be the 50% mode, and then a humongous mecha-like 100% form.

[MesiDoomstalker]

So Zygarde had it's other forms revealed today, the tiny blobs are cells, a 10% dog-like speed mode, the normal Zygarde is revealed to be the 50% mode, and then a humongous mecha-like 100% form.

A quick addendum, the blob is the brain for the other forms. There is also a new Greninja who is labled as "Ash Greninja" and the new look is similar to Ash's clothing. Personally, I don't think this is a new form or a Mega for Greninja, just something special for Ash's new mon like his Noctwol being shiny.

[enderlord99]

I just realized Pokemon are basically Kung-fu Tamagotchi.

...Thematically, I mean. They probably play completely differently; having never had a Tamagotchi, I have no way of knowing.

[Kuroten]

So Zygarde had it's other forms revealed today, the tiny blobs are cells, a 10% dog-like speed mode, the normal Zygarde is revealed to be the 50% mode, and then a humongous mecha-like 100% form.

My first thought when seeing the news: Pokemon meets DBZ (http://i.imgur.com/w7bZnDk.jpg). :smalltongue:

[tgva8889]

Well, Zygarde is pretty bad and is obviously the Z pokemon to accompany Xerneas and Yveltal, so I'm not surprised they're going to pull a "this isn't even my final form" with it like with Giratina and Kyruem. At this point, I almost expect it.

[TurboGhast]

Well, Zygarde is pretty bad and is obviously the Z pokemon to accompany Xerneas and Yveltal, so I'm not surprised they're going to pull a "this isn't even my final form" with it like with Giratina and Kyruem. At this point, I almost expect it.

There are a lot of forms, but I have no idea whether they all can be used for battle, or would be highly viable anyway. For all we know 10% Zygarde form could have literally one fifth of the power of its normal form. (But hype for new forms still)

[John Cribati]

What if the percentage of the forms correspond to the HP level?

[Qwertystop]

More likely the other way around. Going by Serebii, Zygarde is supposed to go into the Perfect forme when it can't defeat something as 50%. Maybe that's represented as a low-health trigger, like Darmanitan.

[johnmartin01]

Hello fellows,
I am new to this forum, this is my very first thread which I found quite interesting as well as informative. Games are my world and I would like to have few tips about latest games 2015?

[Ichneumon]

I recently started playing Pokemon White again and it occurred to me how you often encounter NPC trainers who have teams consisting of multiple specimens of the same Pokemon (for example, 2 Lillipups). I understand why, from a meta level, the designers decided to let enemy trainers have such teams, but story-wise 'in universe' it doesn't make much sense to me. What would the strategic benefit be for Pokemon trainers to have two Pokemon of the same species in their team?

Unless they are breeders or for some other reason not really focussed on 'becoming the Pokemon Champion', there really doesn't seem to be a benefit to picking the same species twice, instead of a more diverse team. As a player, I might see the benefit of taking the same Pokemon twice and taking a completely different strategy when selecting attack moves, but still the benefits seems very limited.

Thoughts?

[Qwertystop]

Most trainers aren't concerned with that. They're kids out exploring, or people on a walk with their Pokemon friends, or just having battles for fun, and they happen to like that species.

[Sylthia]

I recently started playing Pokemon White again and it occurred to me how you often encounter NPC trainers who have teams consisting of multiple specimens of the same Pokemon (for example, 2 Lillipups). I understand why, from a meta level, the designers decided to let enemy trainers have such teams, but story-wise 'in universe' it doesn't make much sense to me. What would the strategic benefit be for Pokemon trainers to have two Pokemon of the same species in their team?

Unless they are breeders or for some other reason not really focussed on 'becoming the Pokemon Champion', there really doesn't seem to be a benefit to picking the same species twice, instead of a more diverse team. As a player, I might see the benefit of taking the same Pokemon twice and taking a completely different strategy when selecting attack moves, but still the benefits seems very limited.

Thoughts?

They must be IV breeding, and you are fighting their breedjects.

[tgva8889]

So I started my Black Nuzlocke run, and wow, Lillipup and its evolutionary line is an absolute beast in the early game. Was more powerful than my Starter for the first 15 levels there. My current team is basically Herdier and Pignite, because I haven't needed anyone else. (Also because I haven't gotten anything else I want to use, but that's not important.)

[Sasaisen]

Yeah, STAB Normal is surprisingly powerful when you don't have a Rock/Steel/Ghost gym to deal with, especially since they hand out the Return TM so early. Diabeetus dog was dearly missed when he perished on my W2 nuzlocke way back when.

[Starwulf]

So I've finally started really playing X, and I have to say, other then the annoying viewpoint(which honestly, I've gotten used to, doesn't bother me much at all now), it's pretty fun. Battle Chateau is great, though It's kind of screwed me because I spent to much time doing it instead of progressing, and now all my pokemon are level 30+ and have started to rebel against me, LOL. Love the berry farming, I have 500 Oran berries now, and even though it's only 10 points of healing per, that's still 5k worth of healing altogether. Though, if I'm being honest, isn't as great as it would seem, since because of the Battle Chateau + Amulet coin I'm swimming in cash(350k) so I can buy max healing stuff right now anyways.

One thing I've noticed, I've actually had to equip my pokemon with berries this time around, when normally I wouldn't, simply because it feels like not only every trainer pokemon, but also a fair amount of wild pokemon all seem to have "Confuse" abilities, and that seems to mess me up more then anything else does at this point.

Still unsure on how I feel about not having a bike, Roller-skates are decent, but still a fair amount slower then the bike was in the past. Skates are great for short distances, but when I need to traverse longer distances it still feels so slow.

I do have one question: Do I eventually get a pokedex upgrade like in White/Black 2 that shows me when I've caught all the pokemon for an area? It's kind of annoying having to check on bulbapedia to see if I've caught all the pokemon for a specific area and can move on. That was a wonderful quality of life improvement in White/Black 2 that will be sorely missed if it's not implemented at some point here in X.

Oh,since it's been a while since the last one ended(I have no idea how often these things happen), any new giveaways via mystery gift for mythical pokemon coming up?

[noparlpf]

You also get a bike once you get to Cyllage City.

[Starwulf]

You also get a bike once you get to Cyllage City.

Sonuva......LOL. I've been putting off that journey because of my farming Oran Berries and doing the Battle Chateau. Well, guess I have a good reason to get there now :) Thanks for the tip ^^

[Qwertystop]

Also, as far as skating speed - it's a bit tricky, but one of the skaters you eventually find teaches you a trick... I can't remember what it's called, but once you've got it, if you hold the circlepad about halfway you'll maintain whatever speed you were going at - including the relatively high speed that you get right as you start skating if you tap.

[SaintRidley]

Mostly been fiddling with Pokemon Shuffle for a while. Fun little game.

Decided to get serious about my shiny Heatran hunt last night and was rewarded for the effort. Now I'm going to get to work on Regirock.

[SaintRidley]

I'm set up in front of Regirock now.

Incidentally, if anyone wants a Skill Swap Exeggcute I have a few in my box I can trade. This way you can work on breeding yourself a Skill Swap/Bestow Exeggutor with Harvest to throw leppa berries at legendaries for infininite time in the stage to guarantee yourself the capture for shiny.

In unrelated news, I picked up my HG and Platinum Nuzlockes again. Currently set to get ready for the 8th gym in Platinum, while I just finished Victory Road in HG.

[Starwulf]

I'm set up in front of Regirock now.

Incidentally, if anyone wants a Skill Swap Exeggcute I have a few in my box I can trade. This way you can work on breeding yourself a Skill Swap/Bestow Exeggutor with Harvest to throw leppa berries at legendaries for infininite time in the stage to guarantee yourself the capture for shiny.

In unrelated news, I picked up my HG and Platinum Nuzlockes again. Currently set to get ready for the 8th gym in Platinum, while I just finished Victory Road in HG.

How many loads/reloads does it take usually before you eventually get the Legendary to show up as shiny?

And what does the "skill-swap/bestow" bit do? I've never heard of that set-up before(not to hard though, I'm not a competitive players or anything, I just play through the games once, do everything I can, then I'm done).

[Qwertystop]

How many loads/reloads does it take usually before you eventually get the Legendary to show up as shiny?

And what does the "skill-swap/bestow" bit do? I've never heard of that set-up before(not to hard though, I'm not a competitive players or anything, I just play through the games once, do everything I can, then I'm done).

Shiny chance is the same for legends as anything else. So... A bit over four thousand on average, as you probably won't have the Shiny Charm if you're still catching legends.

Skill Swap swaps abilities. Bestow gives the target your item. Exeggutor can learn both and van have the ability Harvest. Leppa berries restore 10 PP. Give something Harvest (high chance of recovering used berries, varies by weather), give it a Leppa, and it will probably never run out of PP and start using Struggle, which means you can keep trying to catch it until you run out of Balls unless it has a recoil move and you get unlucky enough that the Leppa restores that move.

[Starwulf]

Shiny chance is the same for legends as anything else. So... A bit over four thousand on average, as you probably won't have the Shiny Charm if you're still catching legends.

Skill Swap swaps abilities. Bestow gives the target your item. Exeggutor can learn both and van have the ability Harvest. Leppa berries restore 10 PP. Give something Harvest (high chance of recovering used berries, varies by weather), give it a Leppa, and it will probably never run out of PP and start using Struggle, which means you can keep trying to catch it until you run out of Balls unless it has a recoil move and you get unlucky enough that the Leppa restores that move.

Ahhhhhhh. Thank you :) That makes perfect sense, and is definitely an ingenious way of prolonging the battle against a legendary ^^ Might have helped the last time I went after Zapados, LOL.

[MesiDoomstalker]

Too bad Deoxys will restore its Recover PP...

[SaintRidley]

Well, I've got shiny charm because I keep a living dex in bank in order to facilitate it, and it lets me get to work on shy legends. I hit up Heatran in the course of maybe two weeks total, so probably around a thousand resets?

And qwerty covers the setup and benefit. Meanwhile, Deoxys is locked so no need to worry about that.

[Starwulf]

Well, I've got shiny charm because I keep a living dex in bank in order to facilitate it, and it lets me get to work on shy legends. I hit up Heatran in the course of maybe two weeks total, so probably around a thousand resets?

And qwerty covers the setup and benefit. Meanwhile, Deoxys is locked so no need to worry about that.

Wow, you must have the patience of your Forum name to go through that just for a shiny pokemon. I couldn't even begin to fathom going through that.

[SaintRidley]

It's a lot better than it used to be. I went through the old Gen III odds for Groudon/Kyogre/Rayquaza as shinies before Emerald came out and luxuries like nature synchronizing were even introduced. So glad I don't have to worry about those kind of odds anymore. Also, at this point in my life, it's a much easier way to spend my time in the game since I have limited spare gaming time.

[OracleofWuffing]

May I have a fact/sanity check? I have a Male Sheer Force Feraligatr, but its Nature is Calm. Back in the day, hidden abilities were passed down only by mothers, but my understanding was that fathers could pass hidden abilities down if they are bred with a Ditto in XYORAS. So I gave my Feraligator a Destiny Knot, my Adamant Ditto an Everstone, put them in the daycare, and saved the game. Then I run around until the egg generates, get the pokemon out of the daycare, hatch the egg, reload from my last save, and repeat until the hatchling has Sheer Force, right? The pokemon in the egg has its stats sat when I pick up the egg and not when I put the parents in the daycare, correct? I think I'm just getting frowned upon by the RNG, but it doesn't hurt to double check these things.

[Woodzyowl]

That's correct. Of course, you could also just hatch tons of eggs and pass the leftovers to wonder trade.

[noparlpf]

May I have a fact/sanity check? I have a Male Sheer Force Feraligatr, but its Nature is Calm. Back in the day, hidden abilities were passed down only by mothers, but my understanding was that fathers could pass hidden abilities down if they are bred with a Ditto in XYORAS. So I gave my Feraligator a Destiny Knot, my Adamant Ditto an Everstone, put them in the daycare, and saved the game. Then I run around until the egg generates, get the pokemon out of the daycare, hatch the egg, reload from my last save, and repeat until the hatchling has Sheer Force, right? The pokemon in the egg has its stats sat when I pick up the egg and not when I put the parents in the daycare, correct? I think I'm just getting frowned upon by the RNG, but it doesn't hurt to double check these things.

An egg has its IVs, ability, nature, and gender set when the egg is generated (when the dude turns around).

[Ichneumon]

I just caught a Smeargle in Pokemon White. Might any of you help me with ideas what moves to teach him? I already have a Hitmonchan in my team that knows thunder, ice and fire punch. I was considering teaching Smeargle a bug, dark, psychic and ghost move. I really like the idea of having multiple pokemon in my team like that, that know moves of very different and unexpected types. Also, if you have other suggestions of what Pokemon might fit this team, I'd be happy to hear it.

[MesiDoomstalker]

Smeargle's stats are absolutely terrible. No matter what offensive move you give them, he'll fall short. He's better throwing out weird Status moves like Reflect, Mirror Coat or Stealth Rock.

[OracleofWuffing]

Most directly attacking Smeargles use Lock-On or Mind reader followed by Sheer Cold. You could also throw out other low-accuracy stuff like Zap Cannon or Dynamic Punch with the same idea, but the premise is to rely on his stats as little as possible. In terms of status moves, Cosmic Power or Cotton Guard followed by Baton Pass, though it's difficult to keep Smeargle around too long for an effective pass. Dark Void (for multiple targets) or Spore (for single targets) can be potent, but if you have access to those attacks, you probably have access to a better pokemon with which to execute said attacks. Something like Seismic Toss or Psywave may be your best bet for reliable damage, though you shouldn't hold your breath.

[Qwertystop]

Yeah, Smeargle's entire thing is near-useless stats plus a perfect movepool. Don't teach him things that use the stats - use the status moves that you can't otherwise get all on one mon.

[Ichneumon]

Thanks for the advise. I'll have to reconsider what I'm going to do with my Smeargle (if anything at all).:smallsmile:

[Sylthia]

Thanks for the advise. I'll have to reconsider what I'm going to do with my Smeargle (if anything at all).:smallsmile:

It also depends whether this is for the story run or competitive. Many sets are overkill or don't really work or just take too much setup for the main game.

[Blackhawk748]

Hey everybody, got a question. How good is Mega Beedrill? I love that angry Bug and im curious if Mega made him viable for anything more than shock value.

[MesiDoomstalker]

U-Turn and Poison Jab hit really hard, really fast. He's a great Mega just don't expect him to take hits of any kind. He's also pretty predictable. Almost every set will be U-Turn, Poison Jab, Drill Run and Protect (to get through the first turn when your Speed isn't nutso high). The best way to utilize it is a powerful pivot, bringing it in, smacking with a base Attack 145 Adaptability U-Turn, then swapping in something to handle the mon that got whalloped on. Also be very careful of Stealth Rocks as his whole shtick requires him to swap in and out freely and Stealth Rocks puts you on a strict swap in limit.

[enderlord99]

You know what'd be cool? If gen7 had the ability to use items in multiplayer, as an optional setting like "lower everyone to level 50" except, obviously, independent of that. You know, start of a battle, items turned on or off as part of the conditions.

This next part's unlikely, but it would be even better if you could set a "number of items usable this battle" limit at any agreed upon integer from zero through, say, one hundred.

[Sylthia]

You know what'd be cool? If gen7 had the ability to use items in multiplayer, as an optional setting like "lower everyone to level 50" except, obviously, independent of that. You know, start of a battle, items turned on or off as part of the conditions.

This next part's unlikely, but it would be even better if you could set a "number of items usable this battle" limit at any agreed upon integer from zero through, say, one hundred.

I always like more options, but I wouldn't want to play that way, unless they just gave you two Full Restores at the beginning or something, and you didn't have to bring in-game for items to use.

[enderlord99]

I always like more options, but I wouldn't want to play that way, unless they just gave you two Full Restores at the beginning or something, and you didn't have to bring in-game for items to use.

But the games' plots are short, and postgame content generally doesn't allow items; what else are you going to use 'em for?

[Qwertystop]

If you've still got items at the end, you bought too many.

Also, they can be used to speed up EV training - you will miss with your hits-all attack sometimes, or something will have Sturdy and Explosion or inflict status or something, or you'll run out of PP. Not having to run back to a Center mid-batch is helpful.

Also, they did that already, with the Wonder Launcher. Not sure why they didn't keep it.

[enderlord99]

If you've still got items at the end, you bought too many.

...Going a step further, what else are you going to spend the in-game money on?

[Qwertystop]

...Going a step further, what else are you going to spend the in-game money on?

Vitamins, for EV training slightly faster? Hold items, in those cases where they're purchased?

On the other hand, why do you care about having excess healing items after you've finished the game entirely? I mean - you're done.

[TamerBill]

Not sure why they didn't keep it.

Yup, that's PokemonFeatures.txt alright.

[tgva8889]

I tend to spend lots of money buying different kinds of Pokeballs in case I decide to go catch things and want to catch them in cool types of Pokeballs. I used to convert my money into coins, but ever since they removed that option I haven't really done much with my money. X and Y makes the problem of money even more trivial, since the restaurants provide so much so easily. Although in X and Y you can spend loads of money buying every clothing item in the game if you really want...

I don't think you want to play Pokemon with items on. Giving Pokemon an additional move called Full Restore and an additional move called Max Revive doesn't sound like it would result in very fun Pokemon battles. As someone who completed a Nuzlocke by taking advantage of an Umbreon with 6 moves, two of which were Hyper Potion and X-Attack, I don't think you want to add items to player matches. It makes things grindy in a stupid manner.

[noparlpf]

I have about a zillion pokéyen in X. I have all the clothes, I have more healing items than I can ever use, I have more Lux balls than I can ever use, I have so much money that I tip 10k at the restaurant and still profit.

[enderlord99]

While I know there would never be much of a point to trying to profit at Sushi High-Roller, I would like to know if doing so is possible, assuming all of the tricks such as pay-day, amulet-coins, and Money-making o-power level-3. Include the value of the big nuggets in your calculations, please.

[Aotrs Commander]

Vitamins, for EV training slightly faster? Hold items, in those cases where they're purchased?

On the other hand, why do you care about having excess healing items after you've finished the game entirely? I mean - you're done.

I have excess healing items in any game that has ever had healing items.

And usually equally far too many one-use items that I always save "in case I need them" and basically never use, save maybe occasionally in a particulalry difficult battle than makes me stop and have to think or something.

In Pokemon specifically, I can't remember the last time I ever used an Ether, but it was probably in Gen I or II before Leppa berries (which I probably can count on the fingers of one hand I've ever used, despite usually ending up with hundreds over the course berry-growing, most notably in Gen V).

[TamerBill]

While I know there would never be much of a point to trying to profit at Sushi High-Roller, I would like to know if doing so is possible, assuming all of the tricks such as pay-day, amulet-coins, and Money-making o-power level-3. Include the value of the big nuggets in your calculations, please.

If you're allowing Pay Day, then of course it's possible. Pay Day stacks with itself, you can just use it an arbitrary amount of times in the fights. If you run out of PP, Leppa berries don't cost money. If you run out of targets, you can use it on your allies. Very silly, of course, but possible.

[tgva8889]

From Bulbapedia:


The only way to make a profit in Sushi High Roller is to use every single method of increasing prize money in the game: have a Pokémon use Happy Hour, use the Lv. 3 Prize Money O-Power, have a Pokémon holding an Amulet Coin or Luck Incense, and selling at least 16 of the Big Nuggets.

[Ichneumon]

After receiving the advise from this thread, I decided to teach my Smeargle the move Transform! It took some effort finding a ditto and making it work, but now my Smeargle is basically a kind of Ditto! :smallbiggrin: And since transform also changes the stats, it doesn't really matter that much that his stats are quite bad. I'll have to use vitamins to pump up his HP and that's it.

The other move Smeargle currently knows is Spore (thanks to the Paras I own, it wasn't so difficult to give him that). I'm currently considering two things for Smeargles other moves, either teaching him fly and surf, (so I don't have to have other pokemon in my team that know that move) or some moves that cause poison and paralysis.

[Qwertystop]

You'll probably also want some Speed - both so that it can Transform before getting one-shot and so that it can use Spore before getting one-shot.

An interesting thing to try for that Smeargle, just thought of it but no idea if it'd work - teach it Swagger. Transform copies stats after any boosts, but doesn't copy status - if you Spore something to sleep, Swagger it, then Transform into it, you get the attack boost. Never work in multiplayer, of course, since they'd switch out, but it could be worth a shot in single-player or in multiplayer Doubles when your ally can protect Smeargle and stop enemy switches.

[Sylthia]

After receiving the advise from this thread, I decided to teach my Smeargle the move Transform! It took some effort finding a ditto and making it work, but now my Smeargle is basically a kind of Ditto! :smallbiggrin: And since transform also changes the stats, it doesn't really matter that much that his stats are quite bad. I'll have to use vitamins to pump up his HP and that's it.

The other move Smeargle currently knows is Spore (thanks to the Paras I own, it wasn't so difficult to give him that). I'm currently considering two things for Smeargles other moves, either teaching him fly and surf, (so I don't have to have other pokemon in my team that know that move) or some moves that cause poison and paralysis.

I'd teach Smeargle status moves over HMs. He's far too valuable to be an HM slave.

[enderlord99]

After receiving the advise from this thread, I decided to teach my Smeargle the move Transform!

Weird... I thought that was the only un-sketchable move in the game...

[TamerBill]

Weird... I thought that was the only un-sketchable move in the game...

It used to be one of several unsketchable moves, due to the fact that once Transform had been used, making it the target for Sketch, it was no longer present in the target's moveset, making it ineligible for Sketch. Same deal with things like Explode; can't Sketch someone that's out of the fight. All these exceptions were fixed at various points, though, so nowadays the only unsketchable moves are Struggle, which isn't a real move, and Chatter, because the voice recording thing is only stored in Chatot's data. That got removed this gen, though, so expect to see Chatter sketchable by gen VII.

[MesiDoomstalker]

One note the Hoopa Unbound unique move Hyperspace Fury (or is it Hole?) can be sketched but it cannot be used by Smeargle. The move will fail.

[Sylthia]

One note the Hoopa Unbound unique move Hyperspace Fury (or is it Hole?) can be sketched but it cannot be used by Smeargle. The move will fail.

Sounds like Focus Miss, but it never stopped us from trying.

[TamerBill]

One note the Hoopa Unbound unique move Hyperspace Fury (or is it Hole?) can be sketched but it cannot be used by Smeargle. The move will fail.

It's Fury, since that move has Hoopa play a unique animation that Smeargle doesn't have.

[Qwertystop]

It's Fury, since that move has Hoopa play a unique animation that Smeargle doesn't have.

And that prevents it, really? That's just sloppy. Especially considering that the same goes for a lot of signature moves - plenty of mons (mostly legends) have more than two attack animations (one physical, one special). First that comes to mind: Kyogre, with its ORAS-exclusive signature that I can't remember the name of.

[MesiDoomstalker]

Its how attacks are programmed. Mon have a few different animations and moves have a set animation and triggers a specific animation for the Mon sprite. The problem is Hyperspace Fury triggers a unique animation for Hoopa Unbound's sprite, that no other sprite can perform (without severe graphical glitches). If you watch the attack animation, its the taunting Hoopa Unbound does during the attack. That animation is not stored in any mon's data besides Hoopa Unbound. To put it another way, the move references "animation track 5" and all other mon have only 1 through 4 (I don't know the actual number of animations each mon has but the point is its an extra animation reference no one has).

[tgva8889]

I don't believe you can Sketch Sketch? But I don't recall. There are ways to Sketch a lot of moves now via various failure-causing moves and abilities now, though. It usually requires a lot of effort and a Double Battle, though.

[TamerBill]

I don't believe you can Sketch Sketch? But I don't recall.

You can't Sketch any move you already know, so that naturally prevents you sketching Sketch.

[tgva8889]

Ah, yes. Categorically prevents you from copying Sketch with itself. I mean, to be fair, using Sketch on Sketch would actually do nothing whatsoever.

[TamerBill]

Ah, yes. Categorically prevents you from copying Sketch with itself. I mean, to be fair, using Sketch on Sketch would actually do nothing whatsoever.

Would restore the PP on Sketch, if we're being pedantic.

[tgva8889]

Would restore the PP on Sketch, if we're being pedantic.

I thought Sketch gave you the move at 0 PP if it successfully worked? Man, it has clearly been a long time since I've played around with Smeargle.

[Qwertystop]

Its how attacks are programmed. Mon have a few different animations and moves have a set animation and triggers a specific animation for the Mon sprite. The problem is Hyperspace Fury triggers a unique animation for Hoopa Unbound's sprite, that no other sprite can perform (without severe graphical glitches). If you watch the attack animation, its the taunting Hoopa Unbound does during the attack. That animation is not stored in any mon's data besides Hoopa Unbound. To put it another way, the move references "animation track 5" and all other mon have only 1 through 4 (I don't know the actual number of animations each mon has but the point is its an extra animation reference no one has).

The thing is, there's a lot of mons that have more animations than others. This nevertheless isn't a problem for any other move. For example, Smeargle is capable of sketching and using Dragon Ascent - it just doesn't animate as it does the move. I expect that if hacked in on any mon other than Rayquaza who has enough animations, such as Kyogre (I think, haven't actually counted but it's similar in having lots), Dragon Ascent would play the equivalent animation; however, I cannot confirm this.

Whatever the reasoning is, it's not due to animation difficulties.

Personally, I think it's just a side-effect of the fact that the move can only be used by Hoopa Unbound (not the normal one) - it must have a specific check to make sure that the user is Hoopa Unbound, and that check fails for both Smeargle and the normal Hoopa.

[MesiDoomstalker]

I disagree. Yes, Dragon Ascensting Smeargle cuts out part of the animation (the glowing and rising part) but the rest of the attack animation doesn't show the attacking mon's sprite at all. Hyperspace Fury's animation features it in nearly every frame. Thats the problem, I believe. Though I do agree the move probably checks if its Unbound Hoopa using it, and thats what stops Smeargle, but I think the underlying reason for that check is the animation limitations.

[Qwertystop]

You could say the same for Shadow Force. Except that Shadow Force can be Sketched. No other move has trouble with the fact that some things have special animations for them and other things don't, even in those cases where Smeargle and one other thing are the only mons to learn them. Frankly, it'd just be shoddy code if it caused graphical glitches.

[tgva8889]

To be fair, Pokemon code isn't known to be the best ever. I think Gen VI is the first generation to not have some weird multiplayer-match-destroying glitch.

[enderlord99]

I thought Sketch gave you the move at 0 PP if it successfully worked? Man, it has clearly been a long time since I've played around with Smeargle.

I thought it was 5 PP... which is yet another reason you can't Sketch Sketch; it's the only move in the game with a maximum lower than that!

[noparlpf]

To be fair, Pokemon code isn't known to be the best ever. I think Gen VI is the first generation to not have some weird multiplayer-match-destroying glitch.

Although they did end up with another trade-cloning glitch.

[tgva8889]

Although they did end up with another trade-cloning glitch.

It just wouldn't be Pokemon if you couldn't clone your things.

[noparlpf]

Oh yeah, and the bug in Lumiose was so bad they had to patch it. At least patches are a thing nowadays.

[TamerBill]

I thought it was 5 PP... which is yet another reason you can't Sketch Sketch; it's the only move in the game with a maximum lower than that!

It's Transform that gives you 5 PP, Sketch gives you full. You can Transform into a pokemon with Sketch, which will correctly have 1 PP, and then use Sketch on a move to get the full PP complement.

[boj0]

Fun moves to put on a Transforming Smeargle include Block and Imprison; your opponent can't switch out and can't use any moves unitl Imprison wears off. Pretty good for a laugh.

[Qwertystop]

Fun moves to put on a Transforming Smeargle include Block and Imprison; your opponent can't switch out and can't use any moves unitl Imprison wears off. Pretty good for a laugh.

Are you sure? If the user of Imprison has their moveset change after it's used, do the restricted moves change?

EDIT: Bulbapedia says that if the target changes their moveset to include moves known by the user, those moves will be restricted. Says nothing about what happens if the user's moves change, and I can think of potential implementations for both "yes" and "no" possibilities - it might track the moves that can't be used as a list, or it might just check if the move is on the Imprision-user's moveset.

[TamerBill]

Are you sure? If the user of Imprison has their moveset change after it's used, do the restricted moves change?

EDIT: Bulbapedia says that if the target changes their moveset to include moves known by the user, those moves will be restricted. Says nothing about what happens if the user's moves change, and I can think of potential implementations for both "yes" and "no" possibilities - it might track the moves that can't be used as a list, or it might just check if the move is on the Imprision-user's moveset.

It does, it's just listed under the Gen III section because that's when it was introduced. "If the user's moveset changes while Imprison is in effect (such as by Mimic, Sketch or Transform), opponents are prevented from using the new moves."

[Qwertystop]

It does, it's just listed under the Gen III section because that's when it was introduced. "If the user's moveset changes while Imprison is in effect (such as by Mimic, Sketch or Transform), opponents are prevented from using the new moves."

Oh, I did miss that. Okay. On the one hand, great, you've managed to lock an opponent into Struggle for as long as you can survive.

On the other, it requires your Smeargle to survive two turns before you have any impact, three if it can't outspeed the opponent (because its Transform only stops the opponent from acting for two turns). Great against a staller, I suppose, especially one with low physical attack. Probably better to lead with Block than with Imprison - it doesn't go away if they switch, but it'll prevent them from switching to a sweeper.

[SaintRidley]

Shiny Regirock acquired. Next up: Shiny Registeel.

Impish synced, and perfect HP, but Special Attack and Speed are the two other perfect stats (along with a high Special Defense) while Attack and Defense are around 12-15 for IVs). C'est la vie.

[Starwulf]

Sigh. Have found something I do not enjoy about Pokemon X. Lumiose City. That place is just waaaayyy to ginormous >< Even worse is I went around and visited just about everything that I possibly could(some spots were off-limits), and then accidentally pressed the Home button which took me out of the game without saving. All that wandering, down the drain.

[Svata]

The home button only 'minimizes' the 'window' the game is in, so to speak. It isnt closed.

[Starwulf]

The home button only 'minimizes' the 'window' the game is in, so to speak. It isnt closed.

Hmm, I must have pressed a different button then, because when I went back in I had to load from my last save.

[Blackhawk748]

Ok, so i have two Numels, the Female has Ancient Power and the Male has Simple, so im gonna breed them to get this onto one Numel, is there anyway to guarantee the Ability getting transferred?

[noparlpf]

Ok, so i have two Numels, the Female has Ancient Power and the Male has Simple, so im gonna breed them to get this onto one Numel, is there anyway to guarantee the Ability getting transferred?

The male's ability has no effect on the offspring unless the male is bred with a Ditto. The female will pass on her ability 80% of the time and the offspring will get the other ability 20% of the time. Unless the female has the hidden ability, in which case she will pass it on 60% of the time, and the other two 20% each (or 40% if the species only has one normal ability).

[Sylthia]

Hidden Abilities can only be passed down by the mother, unless the father breeds with a Ditto. If it's a normal ability, it's an 80% chance to pass down, if it's a Hidden Ability, it's a 60% chance to pass down.

[Blackhawk748]

So ive only got a 20% chance of getting a Numel with Simple? Great.

[Sylthia]

And ninja'd by noparlpf

[Qwertystop]

So ive only got a 20% chance of getting a Numel with Simple? Great.

No, actually. You have a 0% chance, since the HA is on the male. If you want to pass it down, breed that male with a Ditto until you get a female with it, then work from there.

[Woodzyowl]

No, actually. You have a 0% chance, since the HA is on the male. If you want to pass it down, breed that male with a Ditto until you get a female with it, then work from there.

Numel's HA is Own Tempo. It's a 20% chance for the child to get Simple.

[Qwertystop]

Numel's HA is Own Tempo. It's a 20% chance for the child to get Simple.

Oh. My mistake.