V's 7th-level spells

[ambartanen]

These are the high level spells V seems to have used up in the battle so far.

7th-level spells:
Bigby's Grasping Hand (?) - I assume this is what he used to rebuild some of the wall (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html) since the weaker counterparts of this hand don't seem to be capable of such fine manipulation.

6th-level spells:
Disintegrate (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0437.html)
Disintegrate (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0437.html)
Bear's Endurance, Mass (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html)
Bull's Strength, Mass (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html)
Chain Lightning (?) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0445.html)

Now, we know that he is level 13 or 14. It seems likely* that he is level 14 because he cast 4 level 6 transmutation spells and possibly his bonus evocation spell in the battle already. That and Bigby's Grasping Hand (1 out of the no more than 4 spells he has from level 7) means he expended a large part of his high level spells.

We know that he transcribed Power Word Blind in his spellbook and he used the Grasping Hand but that still leaves at least one lvl 7 spell that he knows. Now V kind of faced the Death Knight already but it seems like he will face more challenges in the battle (maybe I just feel that way because I am really partial of arcane caster but meh...) and these spells would probably be crucial.
So what do you think his remaining two or three spells are?

There are many spells that I think V would be partial to from this level but I would guess he has Mordekainen's Sword (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/magesSword.htm) and Prismatic Spray (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/prismaticSpray.htm).

*He might have either a pearl of power for level 6 spells of which there has been no indication), he might have cast at least one of the boosting spells from a scroll (personally, I think this is what happened but we see no indication of it), or he could have 30 intelligence (I'd say this is not possible). Any one of these things would allow him to be level 13 and still cast those spells.

[Da Luniz]

what about that ring of power they looted off Xylon?

[ambartanen]

Well, he explicitly stated (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0130.html) that it was a ring of wizardry (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/rings.htm#wizardry) and they don't go above level 4 (I am not familiar with the Epic level handbook but V shouldn't have access to epic items at this time). In fact it is most probably a ring of wizardry III (It's price makes it much more available to V and both he and Xykon seem to enjoy throwing level 3 evocation spells around) which means that more death will rain on the hobos but it doesn't really give him much advantage in an one-on-one encounter or the ability to cast more 6th level spells.

[Glorfindel]

It seems likely* that he is level 14 because he cast 4 level 6 transmutation spells and possibly his bonus evocation spell in the battle already. That and Bigby's Grasping Hand (1 out of the no more than 4 spells he has from level 7) means he expended a large part of his high level spells.

V could also have prepared a 6th-level spell in a 7th-level slot.

[Vargtass]

These are the high level spells V seems to have used up in the battle so far.

7th-level spells:
Bigby's Grasping Hand (?) - I assume this is what he used to rebuild some of the wall (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html) since the weaker counterparts of this hand don't seem to be capable of such fine manipulation.

6th-level spells:
Disintegrate (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0437.html)
Disintegrate (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0437.html)
Bear's Endurance, Mass (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html)
Bull's Strength, Mass (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0427.html)
Chain Lightning (?) (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0445.html)


I note you have a question mark on the Chain lightning. I, for one, do not think this was Chain lightning, based on the recent discussion of the topic (in a separate thread).

[Moik]

I think it would be either Delayed Blast Fireball or Reverse Gravity if keeping within V's personality. Most of the spells players would choose are fairly undramatic deus ex machinas like Spell Turning or Limited Wish.

There's learning Kung Fu and there's learning Wire Fu. The OotS would be learning Wire Fu.

[Kesnit]

V is a wizard (s)he could have every level 1-7 spell his his/her spellbook for all we know. Sorcerors and bards are limited in the number of spells/level they know. Wizards are only limited on how many they can prepare

[Glorfindel]

V is a wizard (s)he could have every level 1-7 spell his his/her spellbook for all we know. Sorcerors and bards are limited in the number of spells/level they know. Wizards are only limited on how many they can prepareIndeed, but the discussion is about which spells V prepared this morning.

[Kesnit]

Indeed, but the discussion is about which spells V prepared this morning.

The OP mentions V writing spells into his/her book, which led me to the conclusion I made.

[ambartanen]

The OP mentions V writing spells into his/her book, which led me to the conclusion I made.

I just pointed out that we know two of the 7th level spells he has but he will know AT LEAST three (2 from gaining level 13 and the transcribed spell).


I note you have a question mark on the Chain lightning. I, for one, do not think this was Chain lightning, based on the recent discussion of the topic (in a separate thread).
I don't think it was a chain lightning either but it was drawn like one (lightning bolt, which is what I think it was, only hits creatures in a line 5 ft wide and we see three ghouls standing next to each other die from this spell). I assume it was just drawn that way because there was no space for a 60ft line (which we can see in the next strip from Xykon's viewpoint).

[JetTheOne]

Isn't Power Word Bind a seventh level spell?

[Levant]

It is indeed, which is why he included it in the part of his post talking about 7th level spells.

[Enlong]

Yeah, PW Blind (there's an L there) is 7th level. I'm just disappointed that V didn't get to use it on the Eye o' fear and flame. See, an Eye has the natural spell reflecton of PW blind, so it would add to V's frustration toward that spell. I think that'd be awesome.

[Gandal]

Note - Transmutation is one of V's barred schools.

[Finwe]

Note - Transmutation is one of V's barred schools.

No, it's not. He specifically states that he DIDN'T bar transmutation BECAUSE teleport was a transmutation spell when he specialized.


Also, mass bear's endurance and bull's strength ARE transmutation spells.

[Fuzzy_Juan]

conjuration is his/her barred school...however, Evards Black Tentacles is a conjuration spell, so Evards Spiked Tentacles of Forced Intrusion is more than likely an abjuration/Evocation/transmutation/ or illusion effect...hmm Is Illusion barred to V as well?

[PowerWordSneeze]

I'd guess his other barred school is Necromancy. V never summons any monsters or raise any dead, he/she/it seems more like the kind of guy who follows the ancient chineese secret that "if you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself".
Summoning filthy undead doesn't quite seem like V's style anyway.

However, according to an old 2nd edition wizards handbook, the opposed schools of Evocation (V is an invoker right?) is Conjuration and Enchantment. But then again, you had to be human to become an Invoker anyway.

Since V is 100+ years old, he probably bacame a wizard back in 1st ed. or earlier.

[Setra]

V's Barred Schools are Non-Plot, and Unfunny.

[Nightmarenny]

V's Barred Schools are Non-Plot, and Unfunny.

God, I am so sick of Bitching about people using the plot excuse so i'll just put an x and you can image thats me yelling at you, Kay?

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Ok now V's bar schools are Necromancy and Conjuration, as stated by OotPC's.

[ambartanen]

I am really happy now because it seems V is going to get a lot more action now that the whole army is about to attack his position. So now I think it seems likely he will end up fighting Redcloak so his seventh level spells would be very neccessary.

We know conjuration is one of his forbidden school and we have seen him cast evocation, enchantment (Suggestion on the dragon), abjuration (Protection from Arrows or Mage armor that deflected the poisonous arrow), illusion (the discount invisibility sphere) and transmutation (disintegrate). Divination cannot be a forbidden school therefore we know that necromancy is his other forbidden school. (I suppose this has been deduced before in other topics but I have only recently started reading the forum so I wanted to make sure we are on the same page about V's forbidden schools).

[Holy_Knight]

Ok now V's bar schools are Necromancy and Conjuration, as stated by OotPC's.


We know conjuration is one of his forbidden school and we have seen him cast evocation, enchantment (Suggestion on the dragon), abjuration (Protection from Arrows or Mage armor that deflected the poisonous arrow), illusion (the discount invisibility sphere) and transmutation (disintegrate). Divination cannot be a forbidden school therefore we know that necromancy is his other forbidden school. (I suppose this has been deduced before in other topics but I have only recently started reading the forum so I wanted to make sure we are on the same page about V's forbidden schools).

Yep. There's no doubt about it. He casts spells from every school of magic except those two.

[Fuzzy_Juan]

I would love for V to use one of Harkle Harpell's spells..."Bigsby's Thumping Digits" as seen in Sea of Swords...now that would be funny.

"I have Improved on Bigsby!"

Oh...can't wait for V to get 8th level spells...anyone wanna bet that V will get Tensor's transformation so to never be 'victim' to a high SR creature again?

Then again...one could never get past the humor in casting enlarge on one's familiar and then using tensor's transformation on it...that is priceless...

[Jaradcel]

Except that V's familiar is a chicken/raven hybrid.... and V always forgets about the stupid bird.... :P

[Setra]

God, I am so sick of Bitching about people using the plot excuse so i'll just put an x and you can image thats me yelling at you, Kay?

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Ok now V's bar schools are Necromancy and Conjuration, as stated by OotPC's.
I wasn't using it as an excuse, I was making a joke.

I know his barred schools (and have for a long while).

You've been here longer than me, you should know how many times this is brought up, not quite as often as Gender/Four Words, but still often enough that I think I'm entitled to make a joke about it.

So try bitching at someone else.

[SandroTheMaster]

There's also Finger of Death, but most DMs just make all important NPCs automatically immune to it, thanks to occasions like the one in my sig. Sometimes anything that isn't that one goblin of the horde that was thrown at the PCs is immune to FoD... but of course all PCs are well vulnerable to it. Also there's the fact that necromancy is barred from him/her/whatever...

Prismatic Spray can also lead to some humorous events, but Reverse Gravity is just so funny.

Also, the spell V used is probably not Bigby's Grasping hand but something else weaker, people had made a name for it but I forgot.

There's also simulacrum, but hardly the group is the type that stops for a while so V can make it done.

Insanity could give some humorous material as well.