alaalba_123
2015-09-28, 01:00 PM
So, I asked this question over in the Simple RAW thread, and had a contention over the answer.
Q 473
Can an Illumian prepared caster with Naenkrau and Vaulkrau leave a slot unfilled for the DC bonus, then later use it to spontaneously cast one of their prepared spells?
A 473
No. An illumian only gets Naen or Vaul at first level and krau at second level. He cannot have Naenkrau and Vaulkrau.
Contention
On attaining 2nd level in any class, an Illumian gains a second different power sigil, and the bonus granted by each power sigil increases to +2. Depending on the combination of power sigils she chooses, an Illumian gains one or more extra special abilities
Also,
While illumian power sigils are useful to most characters,multiclass characters gain the maximum benefit from Illumian words.
So, a multiclass Illumian could in fact have both.
Re: A 473 Contention
alaalba_123, I believe you're misreading this ability. The text states "2nd level in any class", not "2nd level in every class". You gain the benefit once, when you attain 2nd level in any class.
Re: A 473 Contention.
It is not quite unambiguous that the any in this case means any one, but you cannot get a second sigil if you already have a second one. You could only get a third one. The rules do not allow you to get a third one even if you get a second level in a different class.
While it is true that you can't gain multiple "second"s as pointed out by Andezzar, the text does specifically say you can gain multiple Illumian Words.
an Illumian gains one or more extra special abilities.(see Illumian Words, below)
There are 15 possible combinations of sigils, and 15 Illumian words. The only way I can see that the "or more" in that text makes any sense is if you can get multiple sigils, and therefore multiple Illumian Words.
I'd be interested in hearing other interpretations on this. Also, if my interpretation is correct, would that particular combination of Words work together, as per my original question?
Q 473
Can an Illumian prepared caster with Naenkrau and Vaulkrau leave a slot unfilled for the DC bonus, then later use it to spontaneously cast one of their prepared spells?
A 473
No. An illumian only gets Naen or Vaul at first level and krau at second level. He cannot have Naenkrau and Vaulkrau.
Contention
On attaining 2nd level in any class, an Illumian gains a second different power sigil, and the bonus granted by each power sigil increases to +2. Depending on the combination of power sigils she chooses, an Illumian gains one or more extra special abilities
Also,
While illumian power sigils are useful to most characters,multiclass characters gain the maximum benefit from Illumian words.
So, a multiclass Illumian could in fact have both.
Re: A 473 Contention
alaalba_123, I believe you're misreading this ability. The text states "2nd level in any class", not "2nd level in every class". You gain the benefit once, when you attain 2nd level in any class.
Re: A 473 Contention.
It is not quite unambiguous that the any in this case means any one, but you cannot get a second sigil if you already have a second one. You could only get a third one. The rules do not allow you to get a third one even if you get a second level in a different class.
While it is true that you can't gain multiple "second"s as pointed out by Andezzar, the text does specifically say you can gain multiple Illumian Words.
an Illumian gains one or more extra special abilities.(see Illumian Words, below)
There are 15 possible combinations of sigils, and 15 Illumian words. The only way I can see that the "or more" in that text makes any sense is if you can get multiple sigils, and therefore multiple Illumian Words.
I'd be interested in hearing other interpretations on this. Also, if my interpretation is correct, would that particular combination of Words work together, as per my original question?