Casting PrC's for a Truenamer

[Zombulian]

Hey playground, just had a quick question. Let's say I have a DM that's agreed to let me use casting progression PrC's increase my Truenaming ability (and I still have the truespeak skill from Able Learner or something). What PrC's do you think would work well with Truenamer?

[ExLibrisMortis]

Well, Ur-Priest into Mystic Theurge. Truenamers have reasonable stamina, if you optimize the truespeak check enough, and Ur-Priest provides the 'big guns' a few times a day.

[Troacctid]

Urban Savant would be a natural fit with your knowledge skills. Halfling Whistler is always good. Any kind of theurge would likely represent a substantial power boost.

[Zombulian]

Urban Savant would be a natural fit with your knowledge skills. Halfling Whistler is always good. Any kind of theurge would likely represent a substantial power boost.

Whoaaaa how have I never seen Halfling Whistler before?! That's a dang interesting PrC.

[Zombulian]

Whoaaaa how have I never seen Halfling Whistler before?! That's a dang interesting PrC.

How about this then? Strongheart Halfling Truenamer 5/Halfling Whistler 10/Paragnostic Apostle 5

[Yogibear41]

As an advocate for all things melee (I love to whack things with big swords, and claws, and bites, and well anything where I can see you bleed up close) I think mixing it with a Green Star Adept would be cool. Not necessarily super powerful but cool. Take Faerie mysteries initiate, Truename4/Fighter1 before entering in, and you can focus almost exclusively on str and int and have a ton of HP to back it up, then finish it off with abjurant champion. Improved Caster level of the prc should keep you close to max with your CL for your utterances, and since utterrances only go up to 3rd level anyway, you don't miss a ton by missing out on a few levels you just get fewer known.

Scratch that I forgot how Truenamers work. Silly Human.

You could potentially even take the lost tradition feat so your saving throws are based off of Int instead of Cha. Depending on how lenient your DM is to 3rd party and a slight bending of the feat.

[Zombulian]

As an advocate for all things melee (I love to whack things with big swords, and claws, and bites, and well anything where I can see you bleed up close) I think mixing it with a Green Star Adept would be cool. Not necessarily super powerful but cool. Take Faerie mysteries initiate, Truename4/Fighter1 before entering in, and you can focus almost exclusively on str and int and have a ton of HP to back it up, then finish it off with abjurant champion. Improved Caster level of the prc should keep you close to max with your CL for your utterances, and since utterrances only go up to 3rd level anyway, you don't miss a ton by missing out on a few levels you just get fewer known.

Scratch that I forgot how Truenamers work. Silly Human.

You could potentially even take the lost tradition feat so your saving throws are based off of Int instead of Cha. Depending on how lenient your DM is to 3rd party and a slight bending of the feat.

Yeah melee Truenamers are some of my favorite builds out there. There are some solid utterances out there for dat gishy action. I'll take another look at AC but seeing how Truenamers can't cast abjuration spells I'm not sure it'll work.

[Jormengand]

Truenamers can't cast abjuration spells

Inertia Surge is an abjuration.

[Grod_The_Giant]

As an advocate for all things melee (I love to whack things with big swords, and claws, and bites, and well anything where I can see you bleed up close) I think mixing it with a Green Star Adept would be cool. Not necessarily super powerful but cool. Take Faerie mysteries initiate, Truename4/Fighter1 before entering in, and you can focus almost exclusively on str and int and have a ton of HP to back it up, then finish it off with abjurant champion. Improved Caster level of the prc should keep you close to max with your CL for your utterances, and since utterrances only go up to 3rd level anyway, you don't miss a ton by missing out on a few levels you just get fewer known.

Scratch that I forgot how Truenamers work. Silly Human.

You could potentially even take the lost tradition feat so your saving throws are based off of Int instead of Cha. Depending on how lenient your DM is to 3rd party and a slight bending of the feat.
Given how crappy Truenamers already are, I wouldn't bother with GSA- you really don't want all those lost caster levels. Abjurant Champion into, oh, Knight Phantom might work, though. FMI is a great feat, though. Add in Knowledge Devotion, and you can already cast in heavy armor with your hands full...

[Zombulian]

Inertia Surge is an abjuration.

:O


Given how crappy Truenamers already are, I wouldn't bother with GSA- you really don't want all those lost caster levels. Abjurant Champion into, oh, Knight Phantom might work, though. FMI is a great feat, though. Add in Knowledge Devotion, and you can already cast in heavy armor with your hands full...

Knight Phantom is definitely a possibility. GSA isn't really something I'm keen to bother with, even with a good caster.

[Jormengand]

:O

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Truenamers are also capable of Conjurations (Fog from the Void, LPM 1), Divinations (Vision Sharpened, LEM 3), Enchantments (R. Preternatural Clarity, LEM 5), Evocations (Sending class feature, or if that doesn't fly Anger the Sleeping Earth, LPM 4), Illusions (R. Vision Sharpened, LEM 3) and Transmutations (Keen Weapon, LCT 1). There are no necromancy utterances.

If you can sneak the Automatic Counterspell Salient Divine Ability onto your truenamer and then use Improved Counterspell, this gets hilarious fast. Unfortunately, I don't know any way of sneaking SDAs onto your character without becoming a deity, and the only way I can think of to become a deity specifically doesn't grant SDAs.

That said, they do open up more PrC options anyway, so there's that.

[ZamielVanWeber]

Given how crappy Truenamers already are, I wouldn't bother with GSA- you really don't want all those lost caster levels. Abjurant Champion into, oh, Knight Phantom might work, though. FMI is a great feat, though. Add in Knowledge Devotion, and you can already cast in heavy armor with your hands full...

You don't lose out as much: you still get Truespeak ranks so your utterances still work. Also sometimes you just gotta have fun with it; GSA lets you use a more melee build and have some fun with immunities.

Honestly I was going to recommend GSA as a fun option.

As a more practical option Loremaster makes thematic sense and you fulfill one of the prerequisites by being a truenamer. If you can convince your DM to allow the utterance equivalent of metamagic feats to apply (honestly the serve the exact same function) you can get in rather painlessly. Your high int synergizes nice with Lore and one of the secrets gives you a feat back.

[Zombulian]

You don't lose out as much: you still get Truespeak ranks so your utterances still work. Also sometimes you just gotta have fun with it; GSA lets you use a more melee build and have some fun with immunities.

Honestly I was going to recommend GSA as a fun option.

As a more practical option Loremaster makes thematic sense and you fulfill one of the prerequisites by being a truenamer. If you can convince your DM to allow the utterance equivalent of metamagic feats to apply (honestly the serve the exact same function) you can get in rather painlessly. Your high int synergizes nice with Lore and one of the secrets gives you a feat back.

Oh yeah! I've actually made a Loremaster Truenamer build in the past. Looking through my notes on my phone I've actually made an Urban Savant Truenamer build as well.
Also something I've learned from my notes is that past me used Bloodlines aaaaall the time in Truenamer builds.

[daremetoidareyo]

Jade Pheonix mage....

War weaver is awesome. Affect all your allies in a single utterance. You can store utterances in the weave for use later. This is probably my best suggestion.

Runesmith homeboy. Write dem utterances DOWN! Actually this is severe homebrew territory.

Wildsoul (for unseelie summons) into malkonvoker ;) You would be an unseelie fey specialist. And the unseelie faerie kingdom would hate you.

Techsmith would be fun, be a nerd.

Virtuoso would allow you to take the ever so sexy doomspeak feat plus weird bardic prestiges.

If your DM is down for this, dotu has the demonbinder, which is way better than the fiendbinder.

[Zombulian]

Jade Pheonix mage....

War weaver is awesome. Affect all your allies in a single utterance. You can store utterances in the weave for use later. This is probably my best suggestion.

Runesmith homeboy. Write dem utterances DOWN! Actually this is severe homebrew territory.

Wildsoul (for unseelie summons) into malkonvoker ;) You would be an unseelie fey specialist. And the unseelie faerie kingdom would hate you.

Techsmith would be fun, be a nerd.

Virtuoso would allow you to take the ever so sexy doomspeak feat plus weird bardic prestiges.

If your DM is down for this, dotu has the demonbinder, which is way better than the fiendbinder.

War Weaver and Virtuoso are definitely my fav picks from that bunch. The rest seem (especially Runesmith) like a bit of a stretch. But Truenamers are often the party cheerleader anyhow, so those PrC's work quite well.

[Grod_The_Giant]

Oh man, War Weaver would instantly make you so much better.

[Zombulian]

Oh man, War Weaver would instantly make you so much better.

Interestingly I've never seen them mentioned together. But that's probably because of the fact that I prefaced the thread by saying that we're basically cheating.