Civ 5 mutliplayer GMR 14 On the Euro

[Illven]

So seeing as how nearly half the GMR games are done and over with.

GMR 1 was won to a concede, GMR 2 died as far as I can tell. GMR 3 was won by conquest, GMR 4 was won by Science, GMR 6 died, and GMR 9 is a scenario that was won.

I figured we needed more GMR games.

But I needed a gimmick, something to differentiate it from all other games.

Then it hit me.

A huge map.

10-14 players (ideally), striving for dominance!

The map would be a vote, (As long as I can control size)

And then, since there are so many players, I figured I'd roll randomly for us to pick civ's in order.

That or random, I'll let you vote.

So who's with me?

Slots
Illven Siam
Dada Egypt.
Raygallade Swedish
Narkis Aztec
Silverraptor Iroquois
OrcusMcP Huns
Thatonehawk Persia
Gnomish pride Poland
tropical punch Moroccan
The_Snark Byzantium
Mr.Silver Carthage
Closet skeleton Venice
Datsmore French

4 vote for random civs. 2 vote for picks.

2 Vote for Pesudo-europe, 1 vote for Real world simulation map, 3 votes for a non-wrap around map.

Gentlemenly diplomacyish rules

-If two or more players are at war. Either player can call for a halt of the turn timer so they can negotiate without feeling rushed. Either of the involved players in the war, can call for an end to the negotiations.
-If you think you have an agreement or alliance with someone, ask for it in-game.

[Dada]

I'm game! I don't really care about map type or civ selection procedure, so I'll abstain on those votes but I assume we'll be playing with all expansions and dlc?

[Illven]

I'm game! I don't really care about map type or civ selection procedure, so I'll abstain on those votes but I assume we'll be playing with all expansions and dlc?

Definitely the expansions. Not sure about the DLC.

If we can though, I'd like to.

[RayGallade]

You can list me tentatively, I've been reading these for so long that I want to join in. Just know, however, that once December rolls around there will be about three weeks where I more than likely won't be able to do anything. That, and I've never done anything with GMR before.

I've got everything, so I'm good for whatever we do.

[Illven]

You can list me tentatively, I've been reading these for so long that I want to join in. Just know, however, that once December rolls around there will be about three weeks where I more than likely won't be able to do anything. That, and I've never done anything with GMR before.

I've got everything, so I'm good for whatever we do.

Okay, if that's the case, we're going to strongly insist that you set vacation mode for those three weeks.

[Narkis]

Count me in. And I vote for random order of picking civs.

[Silverraptor]

I'll be in if we're doing random civilizations. I prefer going into the game without an overall plan and adapt depending on the civilization I get.

[OrcusMcP]

I'll put my hat into the ring, as I like the gimmick we would be going for, but if we do go for a big game, we should do a map that's one size too small for the amount of players. Force a little more border tension.

Either that, or I will put my perennial recommendation for a non-wrapping map in.

I'm fine for either random order picking or straight up random civs.

[Illven]

I'll put my hat into the ring, as I like the gimmick we would be going for, but if we do go for a big game, we should do a map that's one size too small for the amount of players. Force a little more border tension.

Either that, or I will put my perennial recommendation for a non-wrapping map in.

I'm fine for either random order picking or straight up random civs.

Orcus I said it last time. GMR 4 had too little players. Your problem could have been likely solved by having the recommend number of players. :smalltongue:

GMR 13 had normal amounts, and we had border tension in there.

[TheOneHawk]

I like picking my civilization, so I'll vote for that. Definitely in, though.

[OrcusMcP]

Orcus I said it last time. GMR 4 had too little players. Your problem could have been likely solved by having the recommend number of players. :smalltongue:

*shrug* Fair enough. I still maintain a box map should get used in one of these at some point.

[Illven]

*shrug* Fair enough. I still maintain a box map should get used in one of these at some point.

Okay. I know one of them is Highlands, but that's being used, and I don't really want to do just bigger GMR 13.

What are the other ones?

[Ryuho Tsugu]

GMR 13 had normal amounts, and we had border tension in there.

Yes. Yes we did.

I will tentatively add my interest in another game, though I'm still taking 13 a little hard.

[tropical_punch]

I'd be down to join one of these :)

[The_Snark]

I've got a slot open, so sure, let's start up another of these.

[Illven]

Okay. That's 10, which could start the timer for player sign ups.

But since 2 players are only a maybe. I'm adverse to starting one right now.

[tropical_punch]

I'll also throw my vote in for random civs, while we're at it.

[OrcusMcP]

Okay. I know one of them is Highlands, but that's being used, and I don't really want to do just bigger GMR 13.

What are the other ones?

The pseudo-europe one is probably the best one to use for this, but any of the real world continent/country simulating maps will do.

[RayGallade]

I suppose I'll throw my vote in for random civs.

[The_Snark]

The pseudo-europe one is probably the best one to use for this, but any of the real world continent/country simulating maps will do.

Pseudo-Europe sounds fun, let's do that. Just like the Into the Renaissance scenario! Only without the special rules, and hopefully a little less interminable.

I'll probably go for a random civ myself, but no strong opinions on whether everyone ought.

[Mx.Silver]

Eh, I've only got one game going at the moment, might as well throw my hat in this one too. Random civs are fine with me, although if we're picking a specific theme for the game and map, imposing a thematic limit on civ choice might work too.

In regards to the map, I would note that from what I've seen of pseudo-europe (and indeed a lot of the 'real-world' region maps) natural wonders tend to be rather scarce, which can impact things a bit, especially if someone's playing Spain. Although that's probably less of an issue than Pseudo-Earth's infamously wonky start location placements.
Still, I'm happy to go along with whatever it is people want.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I'll join if there's space, but don't have much hope for the viability of such a big game.

[Narkis]

Why not just play a normal wraparound map? Map borders create inbalances that influence strategy too much.

Also, if we go with completely random civs, I reserve the right to quit on the spot if I roll an awful one.

[Mx.Silver]

Also, if we go with completely random civs, I reserve the right to quit on the spot if I roll an awful one.

You realise this translates as "don't send me an invite link for a game with random civs" right? :smallwink:

[Narkis]

You realise this translates as "don't send me an invite link for a game with random civs" right? :smallwink:

If that's the case, so be it. I prefer not to play at all than play as, say, Venice.

[TheOneHawk]

Venice is my favourite civ :smallfrown:

[Ryuho Tsugu]

Well, if we have twelve players, I guess I'll remove the "tentative" qualifier on my interest in playing.

I reserve the right to ragequit if I find myself in another hopeless situation though.

Also, with an oversized map, have you considered setting the maximum number of city-states?

[Illven]

Well, if we have twelve players, I guess I'll remove the "tentative" qualifier on my interest in playing.

I reserve the right to ragequit if I find myself in another hopeless situation though.

Also, with an oversized map, have you considered setting the maximum number of city-states?

Wouldn't that give Morocco, and Austria a boost though?

[Illven]

I'm going to give 6 more days for player interest by the way.

[Mx.Silver]

Wouldn't that give Morocco, and Austria a boost though?

Let's not forget Venice, Greece and Siam :smalltongue:

[tropical_punch]

I think venice needs all the help it can get.

[Illven]

Let's not forget Venice, Greece and Siam :smalltongue:


I think venice needs all the help it can get.

Agreed.

Still worried about Greece and Siam especially.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

Maybe just discourage Greece (and Siam—I only played them once, when I was just starting to play Civ 5, so I don't really know how powerful their UA is in practice) from being manually picked? Like the restriction on the Inca in 13.

[Illven]

Maybe just discourage Greece (and Siam—I only played them once, when I was just starting to play Civ 5, so I don't really know how powerful their UA is in practice) from being manually picked? Like the restriction on the Inca in 13.

Now how discouraged.

[Mx.Silver]

I think venice needs all the help it can get.


Agreed.


I am curious as to how you have arrived at this conclusion.




Maybe just discourage Greece (and Siam—I only played them once, when I was just starting to play Civ 5, so I don't really know how powerful their UA is in practice)
Siam's can be very strong in practice, especially with early access to Maritime city states. Greece rather less so, as theirs mostly just makes it cheaper to keep bonuses they're already getting.

[Illven]

I am curious as to how you have arrived at this conclusion.

I've never been able to make them work.

[tropical_punch]

I am curious as to how you have arrived at this conclusion

Because venice is very weak in multiplayer.

I think they cam be fun, but they're incredibly weak.

[TheOneHawk]

Any update on this?

[Illven]

Any update on this?

I am still waiting on max players.

If everyone could list their time zones, and what time they are on, that would help.

[Dada]

GMT+1 here, on briefly in the mornings between 7:30 and 8:30 am, then again during the evening, say from 6 pm or so.

[OrcusMcP]

I am still waiting on max players.

If everyone could list their time zones, and what time they are on, that would help.

I'm in GMT -4

[Mx.Silver]

GMT over here.

[RayGallade]

GMT -8, I check fairly regularly throughout the day.

[Silverraptor]

I am on Pacific Standard Time, which I believe is GMT-8.

[Narkis]

GMT +2. What game options are we going with?

[Illven]

GMT +2. What game options are we going with?

So far we're leaning towards random.

But with no bias towards map.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

UTC -6 (US Central).

What difficulty setting are we playing on?

[The_Snark]

PST here. charlimit

[Illven]

UTC -6 (US Central).

What difficulty setting are we playing on?

Prince all, Unless you want to vote on difficulty as well.

[Silverraptor]

How many more players do we need?

[Illven]

How many more players do we need?

No more then 2.

Unless someone drops.

[TheOneHawk]

I travel between GMT -7 and -8 every month. I work night shift, though, so I'm generally on in the mornings and evenings.

[Silverraptor]

No more then 2.

Unless someone drops.

I can probably get 1 more player with a friend of mine.

[Illven]

I can probably get 1 more player with a friend of mine.

Awesome, let them post here. :smallsmile:

[TheOneHawk]

As far as map goes, call me boring but I'm a fan of Continents Plus.

[Datsmore]

Hello I am friend interested in game. (I would have put a picture of a post here but I cant do that yet.)

[Silverraptor]

So now we need 1 more player!:smallcool:

[Illven]

So now we need 1 more player!:smallcool:

We want one more player. Right now we're at 11-13 which is good for huge.

[Silverraptor]

We want one more player. Right now we're at 11-13 which is good for huge.

So how long is the countdown?

[Illven]

So how long is the countdown?

I'm going to say another 24 hours.

[Illven]

Also since we had one player mention that if they don't like their randomly generated Civ, they'd quit immediately, and another player mentioned that if they were in a hopeless situation (which might possibly include being certain civs)

I figure I'll make a thread in the dice roll thread, link it here, and I'd roll 13 dice to determine civs, so that we're not stuck with AI on turn 1.

Any issues?

[The_Snark]

Sure, that sounds good. Random with veto power.

[OrcusMcP]

I'm cool with that, but I'd limit it to 1 re-roll.

Also, we aren't using DLC civs as per usual, right?

[TheOneHawk]

No dlc civs? That makes me a sad panda but in a game this large I gues it makes sense since someone won't have them all.

[RayGallade]

I have no objections to the dice rolling.

[Illven]

I'm cool with that, but I'd limit it to 1 re-roll.

Also, we aren't using DLC civs as per usual, right?

AFAIA no one's mentioned not having them.

[Dada]

Can you play against DLC civs without owning them?

If yes, I propose a free re-roll for anyone unlucky enough to not have access to the civ they roll, otherwise I guess we either play without dlc or need a confirmation from everyone based on the civs rolled. In either case, I'm fine with using the roller and giving everyone a single re-roll.

[TheOneHawk]

You cannot play against DLC civs without owning them, to my knowledge.

[Silverraptor]

I think everyone needs to mention the DLCs they have. I have both Gods and Brave DLC.

[TheOneHawk]

Do you have the smaller DLC packs of specific civilizations, though? Like Korea?

[RayGallade]

I have everything.

[The_Snark]

I have all the DLC.

(For the record, DLC-only civs not included with either of the expansions are Babylon, Denmark, the Inca, Korea, the Mongols, and Polynesia.)

[Narkis]

I got all DLC. Though given the amount of people involved it'd probably be best if anyone who doesn't have all DLC speaks up, instead of having all of us pipe in.

[Silverraptor]

Revising my earlier statement, I have all DLC.

[tropical_punch]

GMT +10 here

[Illven]

GMT +10 here

Okay based on this thread.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?457807-Civing-rolls!&p=20061491#post20061491

Illven Siam
Dada Egypt.
Raygallade Swedish
Narkis Aztec
Silverraptor Iroquois
OrcusMcP Huns
Thatonehawk Persia
Ryuho Tsugu Poland
tropical punch Moroccan
The_Snark (Korea*)
Mr.Silver Carthage
Closet skeleton Venice
Datsmore French


I... might want my re-roll.

Anyone else want theirs?

[RayGallade]

I think I'll take mine.

[Mx.Silver]

Did we decide what map we were using? Because that's going to be fairly relevant to a number of these decisions.

[The_Snark]

I'm fine with Korea if everyone has the DLC for it. No objection to rerolling if that's not the case, though.

[Illven]

Did we decide what map we were using? Because that's going to be fairly relevant to a number of these decisions.

So far we are stuck on the non-wrap around or real world simulation map.

[Narkis]

Aztec's fine. Not my favorite civ, but I can work with them.

[Mx.Silver]

So far we are stuck on the non-wrap around or real world simulation map.

Ah, still on pseudo-europe then.
In that case before you get on to the re-rolls you might want to consider that Indonesia and Spain will typically be playing as if they didn't have a power at all (the map typically only spawns two natural wonders and does not have much in the way of 'off-continent' land). It's got a fair amount of coast and water, enough where Denmark and Polynesia can actually function, but not always the sort of coast Carthage, and to an extent Venice, depend on for decent start locations (they're more still more likely to get it than not, but by the sort of margin you'd see on multi-continent maps).

[Silverraptor]

I'm fine with my civ, I'm curious as to how they'll work out.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

On one hand, drawing a top-tier civ like Poland is probably going to net me a good start to the game.

On the other hand, drawing a top-tier civ like Poland is probably going to paint a giant bulls-eye on me.

What to do...

[TheOneHawk]

Yeah, I want my reroll. Japan is really not my style.

[OrcusMcP]

I'll take a re-roll.

[Mx.Silver]

You know, the more other people are re-rolling the more tempted I am to do so as well, just to render the first round of rolls completely pointless :smalltongue:
Also because it puts Carthage back as an option for everyone else, and I get the distinct impression that's a bullet none of the people re-rolling want in the chamber :smallwink:

[tropical_punch]

I have all DLC and won't take my re-roll for now, but that will ultimately depend upon the map we end up with.

[RayGallade]

Now that I've had some time to look it over, I think I'll echo holding off on my reroll until I know what map we're actually doing.

[Datsmore]

I'm good with whatever. My lack of knowledge for each civ is equally distributed.

[Datsmore]

For the record I have all DLC.

[Illven]

Okay, it's been 2 days, and no one's changed the vote meter.

We are doing a real world simulation map. Le sigh.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?457807-Civing-rolls!&p=20070175#post20070175


You have 24 hours to vote for one of them.

[TheOneHawk]

When are the rerolls being done?

[Illven]

When are the rerolls being done?

Some people are waiting on a map selection to decide.

So vote for a realworld simulation map.

[TheOneHawk]

I feel like Europe is pretty much the only one that gets big enough and has enough of a terrain mix for this.

[OrcusMcP]

Yeah, pseudo-Europe would be best.

[tropical_punch]

Yep I'll vote pseudo-Europe as well and, If we're on a pseudo-europe map with North Africa or the Middle East, and start bias on, then I won't take my re-roll.

[RayGallade]

I think I'll vote pseudo-Europe and also take the risk of my reroll.

[Mx.Silver]

Yep I'll vote pseudo-Europe as well and, If we're on a pseudo-europe map with North Africa or the Middle East, and start bias on, then I won't take my re-roll.

Pseudo-Europe includes both North Africa and the Middle East as possible start locations. I would also hope start bias is on, as it's generally there for a reason :smalltongue:

[Dada]

I have no strong opinions one way or the other.

[Mx.Silver]

Eh, what the heck. I'll stick with Carthage, although I do reserve the write to complain continuously if the start location screws me over :smalltongue:

[Illven]

Anyone else that wants to change, post here within 24 hours.

[The_Snark]

Nobody's posted otherwise, so I'm assuming that everyone here has access to the Korea DLC. If not, please say so ASAP so I can reroll!

[Illven]

Okay, it's been more then 24 hours, so I rerolled those that wanted me to do so.

Thing is, creating the game it only allows 12 players, but I've seen 22 player games? Perhaps someone subs in for the AI immediately?

In any case here are invite links use the first that work.

http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=9c2ffaf1-5744-4c7c-aaf5-949a30baf360
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=832f6b2e-b219-4b7e-9d13-1f7589457c58
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=7ea0e787-069e-4193-876f-608ddfb6186b
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=98c079c3-53a2-40de-bc41-5d341076f245
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=a36bc3ef-58b6-4a21-a3aa-73229486db50
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=7eb43814-7077-4d4d-9767-214b08bdc276
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=59987a15-5cae-4649-9443-fa423b9c7852
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=02534ed2-e2e8-4c8d-8700-0d77363dff5e
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=62073e9b-71e9-43d2-b1ed-f92eeaa6ca1f
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=f8fee725-3154-44a6-a7bd-1a7269716dc0
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=6fd63670-74fb-4b56-bf81-75d54dd6d68c
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=e82ad57b-8bc0-4ac8-ab25-19875e80195d

[Silverraptor]

Okay, it's been more then 24 hours, so I rerolled those that wanted me to do so.

Thing is, creating the game it only allows 12 players, but I've seen 22 player games? Perhaps someone subs in for the AI immediately?

In any case here are invite links use the first that work.

http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=9c2ffaf1-5744-4c7c-aaf5-949a30baf360
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=832f6b2e-b219-4b7e-9d13-1f7589457c58
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=7ea0e787-069e-4193-876f-608ddfb6186b
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=98c079c3-53a2-40de-bc41-5d341076f245
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=a36bc3ef-58b6-4a21-a3aa-73229486db50
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=7eb43814-7077-4d4d-9767-214b08bdc276
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=59987a15-5cae-4649-9443-fa423b9c7852
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=02534ed2-e2e8-4c8d-8700-0d77363dff5e
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=62073e9b-71e9-43d2-b1ed-f92eeaa6ca1f
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=f8fee725-3154-44a6-a7bd-1a7269716dc0
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=6fd63670-74fb-4b56-bf81-75d54dd6d68c
http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=e82ad57b-8bc0-4ac8-ab25-19875e80195d

Would the invite link be affected based on the nation played? Or should we have it used by the timezones properly set up so we can efficiently take everyone's turns?

[OrcusMcP]

See us run
We weigh a ton
We're tons of fun
Join the Hun!

[Illven]

Would the invite link be affected based on the nation played? Or should we have it used by the timezones properly set up so we can efficiently take everyone's turns?

I can re-arrange after everyone joins.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

Thing is, creating the game it only allows 12 players, but I've seen 22 player games? Perhaps someone subs in for the AI immediately?

If you have the Custom Advanced Setup Screen mod, you can create 13+ player games from the mod menu (Mods → turn on CASS → Single Player → Custom Game → Advanced Setup).

edit: or are you talking about GMR itself? I wouldn't know about that

[The_Snark]

DLC-only civs appear to be disabled, so I've re-rolled (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?457807-Civing-rolls!&p=20078972#post20078972) as Byzantium.

[Illven]

If you have the Custom Advanced Setup Screen mod, you can create 13+ player games from the mod menu (Mods → turn on CASS → Single Player → Custom Game → Advanced Setup).

edit: or are you talking about GMR itself? I wouldn't know about that

GMR specifically.


DLC-only civs appear to be disabled, so I've re-rolled (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?457807-Civing-rolls!&p=20078972#post20078972) as Byzantium.

I can re make it if you'd prefer... :smallredface:

[The_Snark]

Nah, I'm fine with Byzantium (and I don't think anyone else rolled a DLC civ). I always feel a little guilty playing science-focused civilizations like Babylon or Korea anyway.

[Illven]

Nah, I'm fine with Byzantium (and I don't think anyone else rolled a DLC civ). I always feel a little guilty playing science-focused civilizations like Babylon or Korea anyway.

I feel bad I messed that up. :smallredface:

[RayGallade]

Just out of curiosity, since I had asked for my reroll and haven't see it, what did I end up with?

[Illven]

Just out of curiosity, since I had asked for my reroll and haven't see it, what did I end up with?

Sweden.

Play the neutrality empire!

[RayGallade]

All hail the peace, citizen. :)

[TheOneHawk]

Who did I get? I see I rolled a 31 but I'm not sure which civ that is?

[Illven]

Who did I get? I see I rolled a 31 but I'm not sure which civ that is?

I put the list on the first page.

In your case. Persia.

[Silverraptor]

Have we solved the 12 players thing on GMR?

[Illven]

Have we solved the 12 players thing on GMR?

So far, 12 people haven't even joined the game.

[Silverraptor]

So far, 12 people haven't even joined the game.

Who are we missing?

[Illven]

Narkis, and Closet skeleton.

Join us.

[Narkis]

I'm waiting for my slot to open up from #11. Just one player left to surrender, will probably be done by tomorrow.

[Illven]

I'm waiting for my slot to open up from #11. Just one player left to surrender, will probably be done by tomorrow.

Understood.

[Illven]

Okay, I did some more reading.... Apparently only scnaerios on GMR can have more then 12 players.

Which... we aren't, and I can't mod a scenario.

So I'm really sorry to ask this, but is anyone okay with giving up their spot? :smallredface:

[OrcusMcP]

I'll give up my spot for anyone who hasn't been in one of these yet.

[TheOneHawk]

Call me callous, but if they (closet skeleton) haven't posted or joined by now are they likely to play their turns in a timely manner?

[Illven]

I'll give up my spot for anyone who hasn't been in one of these yet.

It's Closet skeleton, so he's been in a few before.

[Illven]

Okay. I'm assuming Closet skeleton doesn't want his slot.

So.

Final thing while we get started.

Gentlemenly diplomacy rules.

Do we want them, and if so, how enforced should they be?

[OrcusMcP]

I'd offer these rules based on what I've seen in the other games:

-If you're at war and someone offers reasonable terms to end the war, then they deserve a negotiation. Maybe ask the game runner for a pause to do a quick conference.
-If you think you have an agreement or alliance with someone, ask for it in-game.

[Illven]

@Other players.

Do other players agree with Orcus's proposed diplo rules?

@Everyone

And we have begun.

We have a 24 hour turn timer, and right now if you are skipped you lose your spot. As the game goes on the kick limit will be increased.

[Narkis]

I'd offer these rules based on what I've seen in the other games:

-If you're at war and someone offers reasonable terms to end the war, then they deserve a negotiation. Maybe ask the game runner for a pause to do a quick conference.
-If you think you have an agreement or alliance with someone, ask for it in-game.

I dislike the first rule. Putting such an OOC limitation on warfare will discourage it way too much, and I thought we wanted more conflict in this game, not less. Rule #2 is cool though. Common sense, really.

[Illven]

I edited the thread title.

[OrcusMcP]

I dislike the first rule. Putting such an OOC limitation on warfare will discourage it way too much, and I thought we wanted more conflict in this game, not less. Rule #2 is cool though. Common sense, really.

It's not so much a limitation as it is a chance for a player who's on the losing end to say "hey, if I give you this city, will you go away?" without feeling rushed. It's equally cool to say "sorry, making way for a hyperspace bypass, tough luck" when you're winning, but at least make a token effort to negotiate.

[Illven]

It's not so much a limitation as it is a chance for a player who's on the losing end to say "hey, if I give you this city, will you go away?" without feeling rushed. It's equally cool to say "sorry, making way for a hyperspace bypass, tough luck" when you're winning, but at least make a token effort to negotiate.

So it's less of a forced negotiation, and more either player can ask the host (me) to extend the turn timer for negotiations?

Because otherwise I'm not sure that's a good idea.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

[Requesting clarification via example of proposed rule #2.]

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http://i.imgur.com/Ozuiw7f.jpg

The founding location of Warsaw, capital of what will hopefully be a prosperous empire.

I started on hills. Moving my warrior to the east revealed no further resources, so I saw no reason to delay my founding, even though it could probably be a better start position. I think I can see the coastline to the north.

[RayGallade]

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2015-11-17_00001_zps4mnxqjve.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2015-11-17_00001_zps4mnxqjve.jpg.html)
Hello citizens of Aleph Complex. Here we observe the humble beginnings of our great complex. Observe, sector PCE, the pride and joy of our people. Sure, the tundra can be a little chilly, but remember citizens, happiness is mandatory. The Armed Forces are beginning to scout of the land around us to determine who our neighbors are. Meanwhile, the high council has determined we must establish a dedicated scouting division. Updates shall follow as our friend determines what is best for our beloved complex.

[Illven]

@Ryuho Tsugu

I'm guessing it's Declaration of friendships are to be taken seriously.

[OrcusMcP]

So it's less of a forced negotiation, and more either player can ask the host (me) to extend the turn timer for negotiations?

Because otherwise I'm not sure that's a good idea.
Yes, you've got it. If someone makes an offer to negotiate a peace, then we extend the timer a bit so they can hash out a deal. If it's clear no deal will be reached, then the one who ends negotiations lets the host know.

ex1: "Okay, you caught me with my pants down and took a city. If I give you this one as well, will you go away?" (negotiation request)
"I want this city instead."
"I can't give up that one, but how about the one I just offered plus some luxuries."
"Throw in a declaration of friendship so I can role-play 'vassalizing' you."
"Alright, fine, deal." (negotiations end)

ex2: "Oh crap, is there anything I can give you to halt this madness?" (negotiation request)
"BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!"
"....." (negotiations end)


[Requesting clarification via example of proposed rule #2.]
Illven hit it on the head. It's not a rule, so much as it is a reminder. If you want the alliance to mean something, use the game mechanics to keep yourself from being obviously backstabbed.

[Silverraptor]

I think having the game as a 1 turn skip = you're out of the game is a bit much, or having a 24 hour turn timer a bit too short for that rule. I would suggest either have 3 turn skip = end of game, or expand the time limit to at least 2 days, as I'm sure some one will have a busy day at some point that they can't check on their turn, like an interview or cram night for a finals week, stuff like that.:smallsmile:

[TheOneHawk]

In a game with 12 players, it can already take nearly two weeks for it to reach your turn again. Unless we want this game to take somewhere in the realm of 3-4 years to finish, I'm pretty ok with the current turn timer and kick setup. If you do get kicked and want back in, I'd expect Illven would let you rejoin as well as long as it wasn't a regular thing.

[Illven]

In a game with 12 players, it can already take nearly two weeks for it to reach your turn again. Unless we want this game to take somewhere in the realm of 3-4 years to finish, I'm pretty ok with the current turn timer and kick setup. If you do get kicked and want back in, I'd expect Illven would let you rejoin as well as long as it wasn't a regular thing.

As the game goes on, the skip limit will increase.

It's to prevent someone forgetting about this game for 2 weeks, and skipping ten turns.

If you ask to join back in, clearly you haven't forgotten.

[Silverraptor]

As the game goes on, the skip limit will increase.

It's to prevent someone forgetting about this game for 2 weeks, and skipping ten turns.

If you ask to join back in, clearly you haven't forgotten.

Okay. I guess that's alright.

[The_Snark]

So, here's my starting location:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%201%20-%20Byzantine_zpsxfy3bau1.jpg

Northerly, coastal - I'm guessing I'm somewhere in the Baltic Sea, or maybe out on the tip of Scotland. Resource-wise, all those sea resources (plus deer and cattle) mean I'm set for early growth. Could definitely do worse. Going to have to make my production doesn't fall behind, though.

[Silverraptor]

I wish I could post screen shots for my turns, but all I ever get are black screens.:smallsigh:

[tropical_punch]

Do we want any sort of grace period after/before declaring war on someone? Maybe just give everyone one turn warning?

Or are we fine with sneak attacks?

[Illven]

Do we want any sort of grace period after/before declaring war on someone? Maybe just give everyone one turn warning?

Or are we fine with sneak attacks?

That's an option.

The thing is. It discourages war-like civs.

But sneak attacks can lead to hard feelings.

[TheOneHawk]

War is part of the game. If we're using random civs (and thus might end up with civs who's only real advantage is war) then it would be really unfair to punish war. It sucks to lose a game like civ that takes so long to play, but the fact of the matter is that 11 of us are going to lose.

[RayGallade]

I'll echo the vote for no on mandatory warning. Sure, I'd be more than slightly annoyed at being attacked, but I figure it's better to give everyone a fair shot at winning.

[The_Snark]

Speaking as a not-particularly-warlike civ, I don't think we need advance notice of attacks. If I'm worried about getting blindsided, I'll devote resources to patrolling my borders.

[Narkis]

http://i.imgur.com/XJXHutW.jpgPretty decent start location. 2 luxuries and good tiles all around. Not spectacular by any means, but above average for sure.

If I were to hazard a guess I'd say I'm somewhere around France, but with no seas visible it could possibly be just about anywhere.

[Silverraptor]

Losing is also part of the fun. And if you are playing this game with virtually no security for your nation, that is a very bold a risky move. You wouldn't play that way in a single player game. So sneak attacks I say are definitely allowed in this game, but they come with the diplomatic situations involved. I say, lets make this like the single player, and make it that anyone who sneak attacks another player that all civilizations that have met both parties involved know of the sneak attack style from the perpetrator and then it's up to the players of the other civilizations to decide how to act on that knowledge and decide whether they should take the one who sneak attacked on the words later in the game. And for anyone who has no knowledge of one of the nations at war, then even if you find out that there is a war going on instigated by a sneak attack, you are to disregard and not use that knowledge to any of your decision making. However, others can warn you of another's previous actions. But then again, that person could also be lying and spreading false stories. You never know how this game or the players will act.:smallwink::smalltongue:

[The_Snark]

And if you are playing this game with virtually no security for your nation, that is a very bold a risky move. You wouldn't play that way in a single player game.

Er. Yes. Neglecting one's military in favor of infrastructure just because the AI doesn't know how to besiege cities would be... silly. >_> does this often

[OrcusMcP]

Yeah, I'm gonna say that you don't need warning to attack. Sabre rattle all you like, but you don't have to give someone time to defend if they don't see it coming.

[OrcusMcP]

We are the Hun
We have begun
http://imageshack.com/a/img903/9785/8Umyaa.png
River valley, not much I can see yet. Hard to tell where exactly I might be on the pseudo-europa map.

One very key thing that's missing from my immediate location is any herdable resources. Not having anything to pasture early will mean I can't use my juicy +1 production for pastures. Considering how big this map is I won't be able to be as raze-happy as you usually have to be with the Huns, so I need to use my other bonuses as much as I can.

[Mx.Silver]

Here's how the world looks to Carthage http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/397802673715299680/3434C3CCE0000F4676B982AE41E61BE765F3E881/

Seems like a North African start, which is good as far as getting use out of the harbours works.
As to the location itself it's okay. Quite heavy on gold income, rather than food, but that's workable. The Marble may be quite significant, especially given the inevitable wonder races.

Of course, I could turn out to be bordering a land-locked body of water, in which case things will not be going so well.

Anyhow, now time to figure out a character I can get into, and decide on another fictional religion to adopt should I manage to snag Desert Folklore (I am open to suggestions).

[Silverraptor]

Is there some secret to taking a screen shot? I would like to start uploading for spectators, but all I get is a black screen when I screen shot and windowed mode doesn't seem to help.

[Dada]

+1 to no advance warning for war. If you are worried about a sneak attack, there are ways to work around that.

[OrcusMcP]

Is there some secret to taking a screen shot? I would like to start uploading for spectators, but all I get is a black screen when I screen shot and windowed mode doesn't seem to help.

Depends on what you're playing Civ5 through. Steam has a natural screenshot function (I think it's F12, but it doesn't work for me, so chime in if I'm wrong) that a lot of people use (since it both takes the screenshot and lets you link to it). I use the MacOS screenshot function and host elsewhere, I'm sure Windows has a natural screenshot function as well.

[Silverraptor]

Depends on what you're playing Civ5 through. Steam has a natural screenshot function (I think it's F12, but it doesn't work for me, so chime in if I'm wrong) that a lot of people use (since it both takes the screenshot and lets you link to it). I use the MacOS screenshot function and host elsewhere, I'm sure Windows has a natural screenshot function as well.

Yeah, steam acts weird with my civilization 5. It acknowledges I'm playing it, but I can't Shift*Tab or screen shot while playing civilization 5. SO I can't screen shot it that way.:smallfrown:

[Illven]

And we've had a drop already!

[Silverraptor]

And we've had a drop already!

Yeah. He probably is at a convention or a place where he can't access internet. Continue on, I'll be trying to reach him. I'm sure he will return.

[Datsmore]

I am at a convention. Sorry about that. I'll be back Monday night.

[Silverraptor]

I am at a convention. Sorry about that. I'll be back Monday night.

There we go, problem solved.

[Illven]

Chieftain Siam here. With the first story of how are Empire became great.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00001_zpsdgyvwjph.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00001_zpsdgyvwjph.jpg.html)

It started in the Northern reaches. Our people tired of nomadic life, eventually settled a city. The city planted on a hill, outside fields of untamed cotton, and unmined stone, would soon be an envy of the world.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00002_zpsbkloy2wt.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00002_zpsbkloy2wt.jpg.html)

We find a ruin. Even though we cannot reach it, we see a label called GMR 3?

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00003_zpstkwdxgbv.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00003_zpstkwdxgbv.jpg.html)

Our people our working on an item to help collect smaller items.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00004_zpsxhhsz7dj.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00004_zpsxhhsz7dj.jpg.html)

Our capital starts work on recruiting men and women to form a band that will explore the nearby lands.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00005_zpsbvazdddr.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00005_zpsbvazdddr.jpg.html)

The people have been talking about organization, about trying to build a body of .... government. To become more then a chieftain and followers. So that everyone knows their place.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00006_zpsv2cqrgpo.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-11-22_00006_zpsv2cqrgpo.jpg.html)

The prophet say we are best in Manufactured goods. but tied for worst in GNP!

[Silverraptor]

If I could suggest something. Given that we are quickly approaching Thanksgiving, perhaps we should disable the kick feature? Because I imagine it'll be hard this coming weekend holiday for a number of us to tear away from our families.

[Illven]

If I could suggest something. Given that we are quickly approaching Thanksgiving, perhaps we should disable the kick feature? Because I imagine it'll be hard this coming weekend holiday for a number of us to tear away from our families.

That's fair. I'll disable it a week.

[Silverraptor]

That's fair. I'll disable it a week.

Alright. Now Datsmore has to reapply tomorrow and everything should be good.

[Silverraptor]

So I managed to be able to start getting screenshots working through steam (Finally)! I just have 1 question, do I need to make the pictures public for me to share on here, or what's the process you guys do when you upload for spectators?

[Illven]

So I managed to be able to start getting screenshots working through steam (Finally)! I just have 1 question, do I need to make the pictures public for me to share on here, or what's the process you guys do when you upload for spectators?

Find on disk, upload to photobucket, take it from there.

[The_Snark]

Most of us upload our screenshots to Photobucket, Imgur or some other image hosting site, I believe, and then link to those. If you're hosting them via Steam instead I don't know how that works, sorry.

[Dada]

So I managed to be able to start getting screenshots working through steam (Finally)! I just have 1 question, do I need to make the pictures public for me to share on here, or what's the process you guys do when you upload for spectators?

I believe you need to make them public, if you want to link them directly from your Steam profile.

[Mx.Silver]

I believe you need to make them public, if you want to link them directly from your Steam profile.

You do not.

[Dada]

You do not.

Huh, today I learned. Thanks :smallsmile:

[Silverraptor]

Okay. Here's my test on uploading for spectators. Lets see how this works.

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/402306273359094475/77A0CD7397C675B61975523E0823F4CCD7ECF897/

I got a good spot. 2 stone, next to a river, plenty of food and next to a good pile of Forest. And my warriors seems to have already found another city-state. Here's hoping this will be a good game!

[Datsmore]

I have returned from the great beyond. Can I please rejoin?

[Illven]

Here's your join link.

http://multiplayerrobot.com/Game/Join/20671?token=4cf39595-b179-4672-b630-a364ee6ce056

[Silverraptor]

Spectator update! (Lets hope I can still do this.)

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/402306883445788317/23FA8F3B0F4D45A15E0C8D56201501423B3283E9/

We ran into La Venta last turn and they gave us a bunch of faith. And this turn we're the first to establish our pantheon. Given I have 2 stone spaces near my capital, I chose Stone circles for the +2 faith for each of those. I'll definitely be on the look out for more stone after this good start.:smallbiggrin:

[Illven]

Okay, since it is Monday and no longer the holidays. I re-instated the skip limit.

It is now up to 2 skips before you are kicked.

[Narkis]

Goddamnit, someone grabbed Stone Circles on turn 4. I have 3 quarries in my capital! Lucky bastard...

[RayGallade]

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2015-12-04_00001_zpsqh1zqsyu.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2015-12-04_00001_zpsqh1zqsyu.jpg.html)
Citizens, observe how the Armed Forces have guided sector PCE in establishing our expeditionary force. Currently, our plans involve searching the surroundings for viable [CLASSIFIED]. Now, perhaps the high council shall examine our findings.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2015-12-04_00002_zpsy9payvtm.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2015-12-04_00002_zpsy9payvtm.jpg.html)
Not exactly prime [CLASSIFIED], but perhaps they can be convinced to support the complex.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2015-12-04_00004_zpsemy8pmrc.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2015-12-04_00004_zpsemy8pmrc.jpg.html)
Once again, not what we are looking for in Aleph Complex. Still, it has potential if treated properly...

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2015-12-04_00003_zps2sof4rlz.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2015-12-04_00003_zps2sof4rlz.jpg.html)
Ah, this is more like we were looking for. A [CLASSIFIED] would do nicely here.

So far, no nice discoveries of ancient ruins. Somebody's already found a religious city state though, one pantheon is on the board already. I'm looking to build a shrine and try running for Dance of the Arora. Got plenty of tundra at the capital for that to work for me.
On another topic, the council is welcoming suggestions for future sector names. Strings of three letters are advised.

[RayGallade]

So, I'm having trouble connecting to Steam, tried to submit my turn in offline mode, and then it wouldn't send. We might need to revert

[Illven]

So, I'm having trouble connecting to Steam, tried to submit my turn in offline mode, and then it wouldn't send. We might need to revert

I don't necessarily think so, I'm having an issue with submitting my turn in GMR 10.

[TheOneHawk]

I had no issues submitting my turn just before you.

[RayGallade]

Looks like it's giving me an HTTP 503 error when I try to access GMR.

[Illven]

Looks like it's giving me an HTTP 503 error when I try to access GMR.

Same here. I think it's a general GMR is down.

[Narkis]

It's not just you, GMR is down for me too.

[Narkis]

Hail, and well met! Our capital lies directly south of the mountain range your scouting archers have found themselves on. And we hope our people will enjoy a long and prosperous friend.

[The_Snark]

Greetings! Our capital lies opposite said range, on what we currently believe to be the northernmost edge of this landmass. We offers these maps as a token of our goodwill: http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2010%20-%20Map_zpsqdmdhytw.jpg

Pictured above is our home city of Byzantium and the lands surrounding it; below is the region in which we met your scout. We found one of the strange ruins dotting these lands in that area, but it had been plundered already by barbarians whose tracks led east; avoid or seek them out, as you please. Our scouts are currently headed due west, in hopes of finding more ruins.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2010%20-%20Scouting_zpse2cql9ng.jpg

[Narkis]

Thank you for these maps. (Though the second image is in fact the same as the first) Our own explorations have revealed this to be the layout around our capital:
http://i.imgur.com/jqdDuX5.jpg

[The_Snark]

Ah, our mistake; it should be displaying correctly now, though you appear to have explored most of the relevant territory in any case.

[Silverraptor]

The proud people of the Iroquois welcome you as neighbors.:smallsmile:

[Mx.Silver]

Here's how things look for Carthage:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/397805114598067179/83300C79E820E027450B376B61C0A0C39649A402/

On the plus side, we do have flood plains and some wheat for potential food growth. On the downside, I've gotten an africa start on a Europe map, which means the barbarian hordes are going to be an issue, as the camps the ancient ruins I hit this turn demonstrate.
More worryingly though, the position of that northern camp makes it look a lot like I may have started by a landlocked sea.

This may not turn out very well.

[Illven]

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00001_zps93ztvgmj.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00001_zps93ztvgmj.jpg.html)

The orcs. At first we were pleased to meet the other feet that stride on legs.

But we were not prepared. The green skins care not for talking, they care not for hunting, or children or anything. Born from the darkness, they live only to kill.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00002_zpsyv0dpsay.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00002_zpsyv0dpsay.jpg.html)

Our warriors try to move to aid the scout band.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00003_zpsmavbgdum.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00003_zpsmavbgdum.jpg.html)

And more Orcs stand in the ruins. I mean it's not an issue, I'm 99% sure I'm isolated. But it's still annoying.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00004_zpsil27ft2h.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00004_zpsil27ft2h.jpg.html)

Our tech tree. Our leader has told the people to focus on trying to engagne the orcs at range. So that their superior strength, is less important. He also hopes that one day we will be able to construct a great temple to whatever instrument we use at range.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00005_zpsek9m96nh.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00005_zpsek9m96nh.jpg.html)

Here we the capital. A small collection of huts, some fancier then others. Currently, we are focused on recruiting up a work band to construct farms by the nearby rivers.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00006_zpsxyyeiyqx.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00006_zpsxyyeiyqx.jpg.html)

Chieftain Ramkhamhaeng was crowned King, long before. While others age and die. Our glorious king retains youth and life. He has designated certain members of the tribe, to live a higher lifestyle then the rest of us. To have some say, however small in whatever we do. However these people also age, and die.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00007_zpslynrmebv.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2015-12-23_00007_zpslynrmebv.jpg.html)

The prophets say we are best in population, GNP, and Land.

[RayGallade]

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2015-12-23_00003_zpsuwxxsmsy.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2015-12-23_00003_zpsuwxxsmsy.jpg.html)
The high consul has determined that the messenger bringing us this useless information has committed treason and must be executed. Remember citizens, telling the high consul what it does not want to hear is treason.

Not pictured, our scout has found the eastern boarder of our world. It is indeed a flat world that we live on. Fortunately, this should spare us some defense on our boarders in the future. The Armed Forces look forward to funneling these budget savings into future pet projects. Reports indicate that Internal Security is investigating this abuse of Complex funds.

[OrcusMcP]

Hey all, is it possible to have the timer extended/off for the holidays?

[Silverraptor]

Hail Aztecs! Looks like you just beat me to those ruins. Just mind the barbarians.:smallsmile:

[Illven]

Hey all, is it possible to have the timer extended/off for the holidays?

Sure, I turned it off.

I'll turn it on, Jan 2 if there are no objections.

[tropical_punch]

I think that January 2nd seems fair.

To Carthage: Greetings from the Moroccan people. We hope to build a peaceful relationship in the future based upon trade and mutual regional defence.

[Illven]

Is it bad that I immediately assumed that the spoiler to Carthage was addressed to The Snark? :smallredface:

[Narkis]

Meh, you didn't miss much:
http://i.imgur.com/Gel1bLf.jpg

Let the barbarians come, the gods are thirsty. And it's good to see you here.

[The_Snark]

Is it bad that I immediately assumed that the spoiler to Carthage was addressed to The Snark? :smallredface:

I have to watch myself for that, too.

[Silverraptor]

Ah. So instead of me, we can blame you for releasing the barbarians.:smalltongue:

[Illven]

The turn timer of a day has been reinstated.


http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00074_zps6k0z9kuo.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00074_zps6k0z9kuo.jpg.html)

King Ramkhamhaeng orders the greatest minds of our people to focus now on the makings of the instruments he calls bows.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00075_zpsttowiz8h.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00075_zpsttowiz8h.jpg.html)

Our recon squad learns how to live off the land better. Making it harder for the Orcs to track and kill them.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00076_zpspjkhy1fu.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00076_zpspjkhy1fu.jpg.html)

Our new Worker cautiously approaches the sheep. Unsure if the methods taught to it by King Ramkhamhaeng himself will truly work to domesticate these beasts.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00077_zps7cklltdx.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00077_zps7cklltdx.jpg.html)

Our warrior moves to guard the worker for the orc savages.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00078_zpslreymhov.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00078_zpslreymhov.jpg.html)

Our recon squad tries to see what is in that ancient ruin.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00079_zpstjbkgxzm.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00079_zpstjbkgxzm.jpg.html)

With the understanding of how to domesticate cattle and sheep, we are one step closer to understanding all.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00080_zpsrhrmk4xk.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00080_zpsrhrmk4xk.jpg.html)

Our capital is barely bigger then last time.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00081_zpsrnnucgev.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00081_zpsrnnucgev.jpg.html)

Our government is how we left it.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00082_zps0bql2gjv.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/CvE/CvE003/2016-01-03_00082_zps0bql2gjv.jpg.html)

King Ramkhamhaeng declares we are best in population, and land. Worst in nothing.

[RayGallade]

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2016-01-04_00004_zpsrriabfdw.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2016-01-04_00004_zpsrriabfdw.jpg.html)
Here we see the newly determined settling ground for our future sector. We believe once we can drive away the traitors who have entrenched themselves next to our ideal land, this area will become a wonderful sector. There is only one problem...

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2016-01-04_00005_zpspkjhhupq.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2016-01-04_00005_zpspkjhhupq.jpg.html)
It appears this land is rather close to a unknown band of warriors. The High Council believes this may lead to some future tension if not handled properly.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2016-01-06_00001_zpspry7op3x.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2016-01-06_00001_zpspry7op3x.jpg.html)
So rather than extend a warm hand of welcome, the scouts of Aleph Complex have been ordered to avoid greeting our future neighbors until absolutely necessary. Perhaps if we can secure our new sector quickly, the entire mess can be alleviated.

In all seriousness, I'm in big trouble. Next to Attila with almost nowhere to settle is not particularly ideal. I may be an easy target if he gets violent.

[Mx.Silver]

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/361778856638022990/DC23C6BA5B3BDA139A60D9DA66753B3B40B73B31/

....

...

..

.


Pissing hell.

[OrcusMcP]

You have met The Hun. We require your strongest ale and your most beautiful women.

[Silverraptor]

What a rather strange introduction of oneself.

[RayGallade]

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2016-01-26_00001_zpsqxdd3la8.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2016-01-26_00001_zpsqxdd3la8.jpg.html)
At the High Council's urging, Aleph Complex has embraced legalism. Truly the bureaucracy shall grow year by year.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2016-01-26_00002_zpsi9voyig1.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2016-01-26_00002_zpsi9voyig1.jpg.html)
Meanwhile, the scouting division of the Armed Forces has reported that these traitors have blocked them from accessing important information contained within the ruins. The council has ordered a strategic retreat so as to draw away the treasonous foes.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/2016-01-26_00003_zpsxjc3efb5.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/2016-01-26_00003_zpsxjc3efb5.jpg.html)
Back at the central sector, we have reorganized the sector to honor the recent outstanding citizen, Gustavus Ad-U-FUS. Plans are also underway to develop a new sector in the foothills to the south. Unfortunately, traitors have been spotted at the boarders of the sector. The Armed Forces have been scrambled to protect the sector and especially our deployed red clearance citizens.

So far, we are yet to officially greet our southern neighbors. We hope to establish the second sector prior to opening official communications. Plausible deniability and all that.

[Illven]

So... Guess what I can do now.

Illven obtained the power to check production times on things you aren't even building yet!

So glitch, or normal game mechanics?

[Illven]

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00060_zpsj8zdqbha.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00060_zpsj8zdqbha.jpg.html)

As our scouting band, records the way of the coastline, our people finish the science of mining, and cutting down forests.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00061_zpsa1fgkseu.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00061_zpsa1fgkseu.jpg.html)

Ramkhamhaeng orders our scientists to start work on this concept of working a metal called bronze.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00063_zpsi3sugzeb.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00063_zpsi3sugzeb.jpg.html)
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00064_zpsvz30zaaw.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00064_zpsvz30zaaw.jpg.html)

Our worker bands start to chop down forest.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00065_zpshh8g47ps.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00065_zpshh8g47ps.jpg.html)

And we hear tales of glorious defenses against the green skins

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00067_zpsx7gsmoxp.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00067_zpsx7gsmoxp.jpg.html)

Here we see maps of our capital. Where glorious Ramkhamhaeng reigns.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00068_zpsac8yhl9z.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00068_zpsac8yhl9z.jpg.html)

Since yesteryears, Ramkhamhaeng has started a codification of laws, so that every man may know what the state forbifs.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00069_zpsisnd7inr.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/2016-02-02_00069_zpsisnd7inr.jpg.html)

The scholars say we are best in land, worst in nothing!

[RayGallade]

Greetings from Aleph Complex. Our esteemed council member, Gustavus Ad-U-FUS, has accepted your offer of shared embassies. We hope this meeting is the sign of future prosperity.

[OrcusMcP]

Greetings from Aleph Complex. Our esteemed council member, Gustavus Ad-U-FUS, has accepted your offer of shared embassies. We hope this meeting is the sign of future prosperity.

Greetings! We require your strongest ale and most beautiful women!

Edit: is it just me, or is the GMR site down?

[Mx.Silver]

The domain name appears to have expired.

[Datsmore]

You can access turns through 191.239.32.133

[Illven]

It appears to be back up.

[RayGallade]

Aleph Complex is willing to answer your requests, though we ask what we might receive from you in return.

[RayGallade]

Heads up, I will likely have no access to the internet over the weekend and am in a bit of a bad position for vacation mode. Think we could lengthen the turn timer for the weekend? If it turns out that I do have access, I will take my turn as quickly as possible.

[Illven]

Heads up, I will likely have no access to the internet over the weekend and am in a bit of a bad position for vacation mode. Think we could lengthen the turn timer for the weekend? If it turns out that I do have access, I will take my turn as quickly as possible.

Assuming no one protests, I extended the turn timer to 3 days.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

[my liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiibrary

nooooooooo]

[tropical_punch]

You could probably restore the timer to 1 day now, Ilven.

[RayGallade]

Indeed. Thanks for lengthening the timer for me.

Aleph Complex is looking to facilitate development of future sectors and wishes to know if your noble people have laid claim to the lands east of your great court. Prior to our historic meeting, the Complex had sought to establish a south-eastern presence.

[Illven]

This is what I get for not sleeping well the previous night!

Turn timer edited back to a day.

[OrcusMcP]

Indeed. Thanks for lengthening the timer for me.

Aleph Complex is looking to facilitate development of future sectors and wishes to know if your noble people have laid claim to the lands east of your great court. Prior to our historic meeting, the Complex had sought to establish a south-eastern presence.

Attila lays claim to all he sees, but for now we may consider the mountains between us as a natural border. Anything on our side of the mountains is considered Hunnic property.

[RayGallade]

Aleph Complex wishes to confirm with the great Attila which mountains he refers to. We have sent our foremost cartographer to ensure we prevent miscommunications.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/Civ%205%20GMR%201_zpskaxzin6i.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/Civ%205%20GMR%201_zpskaxzin6i.jpg.html)

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/Civ%205%20GMR%202_zpsdeb6yril.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/Civ%205%20GMR%202_zpsdeb6yril.jpg.html)

We wish to confirm that Attila is graciously considering the lands north of the three peaks in our first map and northeast of the mountains in our second to be acceptable.

[OrcusMcP]

Aleph Complex wishes to confirm with the great Attila which mountains he refers to. We have sent our foremost cartographer to ensure we prevent miscommunications.

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/Civ%205%20GMR%201_zpskaxzin6i.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/Civ%205%20GMR%201_zpskaxzin6i.jpg.html)

http://i1190.photobucket.com/albums/z457/RayGallade/Civ%205%20GMR%202_zpsdeb6yril.jpg (http://s1190.photobucket.com/user/RayGallade/media/Civ%205%20GMR%202_zpsdeb6yril.jpg.html)

We wish to confirm that Attila is graciously considering the lands north of the three peaks in our first map and northeast of the mountains in our second to be acceptable.

You are correct. Do not mistake this for generosity, though. As mentioned, Attila lays claim to all he sees.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

[The turn I just took may need to be reverted; the desktop client threw up an error when I tried to submit it, but the turn order advanced anyway.]

[Illven]

Okay, That one hawk can do that. Or ask me to do so.

[Illven]

Orcus. I think you ended up, uploading 10's game to this one. So I had to revert.

[OrcusMcP]

Orcus. I think you ended up, uploading 10's game to this one. So I had to revert.

Oops, sorry about that.

[Illven]

In the year 2260 BC, the Siam people constructed a great temple to the goddess of the hunt.

[RayGallade]

Greetings, friends. Gustavus Ad-U-FUS wishes to welcome you to our fellowship. He regrets to inform you that all paperwork involving your official invites to our capital sector have been lost amid the other writings. However, Aleph Complex is still open to the thought of trading embassies.

[Silverraptor]

Greeting! It's with warm wishes that we extend a hand of friendship with the people of Sweden. We shall also figure out how to fix this clerical error.

[Illven]

Had to stop myself from opening that, Silverraptor. :smalltongue:

[Silverraptor]

Had to stop myself from opening that, Silverraptor. :smalltongue:

Oh? And what made you want to open it to begin with, England(8)/Siam?:smallamused:

[Illven]

Oh? And what made you want to open it to begin with, England(8)/Siam?:smallamused:

I was Sweden in 7.

[Silverraptor]

I was Sweden in 7.

Ah. Okay.:smalltongue:

[The_Snark]

Spectator update time!

When last we saw the Byzantine Empire (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?455213-Civ-5-mutliplayer-GMR-14-On-the-Euro&p=20092886&viewfull=1#post20092886), the game had just kicked off. Here's how things are progressing!

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2029%20-%20Capital_zps3eipfe87.jpg

... kind of slowly. But that's par for the course in the early game.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2029%20-%20Policy_zpswuls6sdh.jpg

I started off with Tradition, as I don't expect to have much opportunity to expand with this many players, but almost immediately made a slight detour into Piety in order to grab a pantheon more quickly. I feel like that may be a bad idea in the long term, but my civilization's unique ability is completely dependent on founding a religion, so I am going to want faith.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2029%20-%20Belief_zpsrdd2q8ox.jpg

Given that all my starting location really has going for it is a pile of sea resources, I've decided to to try and capitalize on those. Dance of the Aurora was also a possibility, but someone else took it before I got the chance - probably just as well, since my current territory doesn't have more than a few workable tiles. It'd get me a lot of faith later on, but the early game is when it's really nice.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2029%20-%20Tech_zpschqbxetw.jpg

I am making a beeline for Optics, in order to grab lighthouses ASAP. +2 food, +1 production is a pretty fair boost all on its own; +1 food and +1 production to all those whales also makes it a steal. Once I've got that and a few fishing boats built, I should have a pretty strong capital for the early game.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2029%20-%20Prospects_zpsscuqgtwy.jpg

This looks like a promising area for my second city (and maybe even my third). New luxury, plenty of sea resources, not too far away. Still no real clue where I am in pseudo-Europe.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y286/secondrandom/Turn%2029%20-%20Scout_zps041ekgha.jpg

My scouting party is currently bogged down fighting off hostile natives; fortunately, they found a cache of bows in an ancient ruin. If they survive, there's another ruin a little ways to the southeast, just across the channel from my capital.

[Mx.Silver]

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/315620766172845290/C4299C1598D3568C6E5B475E8FB6D2661BB086E3/

So, on the plus side, we have proper coast, which should make expansion easier. Annoyingly, I've been pantheon sniped twice in a row now (i.ee someone else founds a pantheon one turn before I hit the faith required for that) but hopefully that will stop happening soon.

[Illven]

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143129_1_zpslcmds3l0.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143129_1_zpslcmds3l0.jpg.html)

We are told by the will of the gods, that another civilization worships a servant in the divine bureaucracy.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143142_1_zpsosser8pg.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143142_1_zpsosser8pg.jpg.html)
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143151_1_zpszj9sdluw.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143151_1_zpszj9sdluw.jpg.html)

Our warriors recruit from the savages of the wilds. As they wait for the Orcs to tire themselves out.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143207_1_zpsho0527vt.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143207_1_zpsho0527vt.jpg.html)

And our work band and their guard moves to improve the silver.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143245_1_zpshqde1fj4.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143245_1_zpshqde1fj4.jpg.html)

And the scouts engage the green skins!

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143418_1_zpsifuwhfl7.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143418_1_zpsifuwhfl7.jpg.html)

Our tech tree ladies and gentlemen.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143405_1_zpsyiiidggq.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143405_1_zpsyiiidggq.jpg.html)

Maps of our capital.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143429_1_zps8597pydw.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143429_1_zps8597pydw.jpg.html)

Still going through tradition.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/Draka393001/20160310143439_1_zpsv03fkgnc.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/Draka393001/20160310143439_1_zpsv03fkgnc.jpg.html)

Best and worst in nothing!

[Illven]

I added the gentlemenly diplomacy rules to the first post, as people seemed in agreement of them.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

http://i.imgur.com/flZnuKa.jpg

I hate barbarians.

[thatSeniorGuy]

(Spectator here)
... Eek.

[Illven]

So Thatonehawk dropped. Any spectators want to take over Persia?

[TheOneHawk]

Son of a bitch. Sorry guys, my GMR didn't boot up on restart for some reason, idk why. Probably better if I do drop, though. Work is pretty hectic right now and taking my turns is taking a lot longer than usual, I don't want to slow the game down.

[DodgerH2O]

So Thatonehawk dropped. Any spectators want to take over Persia?

If nobody else steps in and the drop actually occurs I'm willing to. Though I'm in the somewhat unusual position of knowing about all of your civs except the one I'd be taking over.

[Illven]

If nobody else steps in and the drop actually occurs I'm willing to. Though I'm in the somewhat unusual position of knowing about all of your civs except the one I'd be taking over.

He already dropped, cause I have a skip limit set up.

[DodgerH2O]

As nobody else has mentioned interest, and I got a bit of an update from TheOneHawk I'd like to take Persia sooner rather than later, to keep the AI interference minimal.

If there are any other takers, say so now and I'll make way. If not, full steam ahead.

[Mx.Silver]

Had to revert turn, as it was giving me the wrong Civ.

[Illven]

Back onto Isolation island!

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-53_zpslwbb5vxq.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-53_zpslwbb5vxq.jpg.html)

The oracles today. They told tales of another peoples in the world. How they worship the pastures that we ourselves use to tame the sheep.

We do not believe them.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-54_zps7dbrdqcg.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-54_zps7dbrdqcg.jpg.html)
http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-55_zpsiev8mq5x.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-55_zpsiev8mq5x.jpg.html)

Having invented a way to measure the seasons and years, we try to invent a way to escape our watery prison.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-56_zpsvieyf9ap.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-56_zpsvieyf9ap.jpg.html)

A scouting band is sent up north, to help fight off the barbarian menace.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-57_zps7czz3840.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-57_zps7czz3840.jpg.html)

Chieftain Ramkhamhaeng is pleased with our progress.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-58_zps0ti0hss3.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-58_zps0ti0hss3.jpg.html)

But directs us to build a great monument. So as to honor our gods, for generations.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-59_zpscpzshzcg.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-59_zpscpzshzcg.jpg.html)

The elite have gained even more power under Ramkhamhaeng guidance.

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz304/Draka393/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-60_zpsgenhoht5.jpg (http://s838.photobucket.com/user/Draka393/media/GMR%2014%20pictures/3-20-60_zpsgenhoht5.jpg.html)

The priests have told us, we are still not the best or worst at nothing.

[Ryuho Tsugu]

Can I get a revert? I never got a turn notification email for this game and didn't realize it was my turn until just now, when I got a skip notification.