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Barstro
2015-11-06, 11:11 AM
Blessing of Fervor specifically, but all spells generally;

What are the various targets of a spell and what can they encompass? IIRC, I've seen several spells that grammatically target someone else, but discussion by other people imply that they can target the caster as well.

Certainly, "Range personal, Target you" is self explanatory.
But, "Range Touch, Targets creature touched" (Ant Haul) implies that someone other than the caster must be the target, but it makes sense that the caster is valid as well.
"Range close, Targets one creature/level" (Haste) certainly makes more sense to include the caster in it.

However, Blessing of Fervor contains that same langue but the description specifically states "allies" as the people who can be effected.

What are the actual valid targets for spells that do not specifically include the caster in the range?

legomaster00156
2015-11-06, 11:23 AM
In most cases, you count as your own ally.

Psyren
2015-11-06, 11:24 AM
In Pathfinder, you count as your own ally unless otherwise stated, or doing so would make no sense or be impossible. (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fm#v5748eaic9nda)

Blessing of Fervor is "one creature/lvl, no two of which can be more than 30ft. apart." On top of that, the spell effect specifies "allies," so even if you target a creature, the spell won't do anything for them if they aren't your ally.

You can therefore target the whole party with BoF, including yourself, and any companions or cohorts thereof if your caster level is high enough to let you hit everyone and no one is too far away from someone else.

It's pretty straightforward - what's confusing?

Red Fel
2015-11-06, 11:26 AM
From the FAQ/errata (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/glossary#TOC-Ally):
Do you count as your own ally?

You count as your own ally unless otherwise stated or if doing so would make no sense or be impossible. Thus, "your allies" almost always means the same as "you and your allies."

EDIT: Stalker'd.

Barstro
2015-11-06, 01:14 PM
It's pretty straightforward - what's confusing?


you call your allies to move forth and empower them to conquer and become victorious. Each round for the duration of this spell, each of your allies...
As stated in my original post, the confusing part is that the spell does not say "you and your allies" as some other spells do. Grammatically, "you" is not part of the spell's target. (pretty sure in tht use, "is" is correct, as opposed to "are" :smallwink:)

But, thanks to the link you provided, I now have an actually ruling that contradicts grammar.