Some clarification on Minor Creation pls?

[SangoProduction]

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/minorCreation.htm

What's the gold limit on Minor Creation? Because being able to instantly create any special material you want (however temporarily) is kinda neat. (especially for the psionic version which is available at level 1 because balance)
Also, diamonds, or more valuable gold/volume items. Useful for scamming people, as they can last 1 hour/lvl. Or bribes. Or you could go with solid gold/platinum bars, which are more likely to be accepted as currency (just don't try it with a magic shop keeper).

Do you have to spend the regular time to make an item with craft checks, or does your character just imagine themselves making it, and it just pops out at the end of the standard action?

[jok]

..vegetable matter...

It needs to be vegetable. And since any discussion what amount of procession stops it from beeing vegetable is arbitrary, the DM decides in such a way that the game is not broken.

[SangoProduction]

..vegetable matter...

It needs to be vegetable. And since any discussion what amount of procession stops it from beeing vegetable is arbitrary, the DM decides in such a way that the game is not broken.

Ah, thought it said non-vegetable.

[Rift_Wolf]

I was really disappointed when I built a Fabricator Wizard, only to learn how many times the GM would say 'no'. For instance, while the coffee beans scam was just harmless fun, easily fooled by Detect Magic or any true coffee trader, the Summon Furniture II had practical effects, and we could've beaten the stupid pirate fleet easily if he'd let me turn all that useless jungle into a wooden wall, or allowed me turn their ships hull into 50,000 Arrow shafts.
However, if you've got a GM who understands the players choose the plot, not the campaign book, Minor Creation can be used for any amount of Trickster hijinks. Using it with Disguise Aura and Prestidigitation can help your sneak Thief with some decoy pieces (By the time the blacksmith realises his best sword has been replaced by a cunningly disguised carrot, you're 1hr/level away), using Eschew Materials to make mahogany furniture appear above the enemies head is viable in combat, and a good way of shooting down a Demons opening evil monologue. Cultists also hate it when you swap out their sacrifices for a bag of turnips, then run off throwing rose petals on their altar.

[ExLibrisMortis]

The classic use of minor creation involves poison. Barrels of poison.

[SangoProduction]

OK. Cool.

And what are some useful stuff Minor Creation can make? Walls aren't that efficiently made with Minor Creation because of it only being 1 cu. ft. per level. (of course, Psions could probably do this much easier, since it's only going to cost 1 PP per casting, but otherwise meh)

Poisons are decent.

Isn't there like Darkwood, and Ironwood, and Elf Leaf or some nonsense like that? Are those any good to manifest?

This seems decent: http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2nte1?Minor-Creation

[legomaster00156]

If you like being hit with books, black ironwood weighs 84.5 pounds per cubic foot. Drop a 7 cubic foot chunk of that on your enemies' heads. It gets better when, with Major Creation, you can create lead or (if your GM is extremely lenient) osmium, which weighs 1,620 pounds per cubic foot.

[Flickerdart]

Drop a 7 cubic foot chunk of that on your enemies' heads.
You can't do that. "A creature or object brought into being or transported to your location by a conjuration spell cannot appear inside another creature or object, nor can it appear floating in an empty space. It must arrive in an open location on a surface capable of supporting it."

[SangoProduction]

You can't do that. "A creature or object brought into being or transported to your location by a conjuration spell cannot appear inside another creature or object, nor can it appear floating in an empty space. It must arrive in an open location on a surface capable of supporting it."

In your arms? Assuming you could hold it. Depends on the definition of "supporting".

[Flickerdart]

If you are casting a spell that summons a block, and then dropping the block on the enemy, you can just pick up a rock and do the same thing without wasting a 4th level slot.

[SangoProduction]

If you are casting a spell that summons a block, and then dropping the block on the enemy, you can just pick up a rock and do the same thing without wasting a 4th level slot.

Yes (although not all the time). But that doesn't mean you can't do it.

So how about more uses. What would be the best material to make a weapon out of (in case your fighters need different damage types, or are disarmed)?

What's the lightest material that you could summon that could still serve as a boat?

[Flickerdart]

What's the lightest material that you could summon that could still serve as a boat?

Soarwood is 1/4 the weight of ordinary wood while being just as hard. Vessels made from it go twice as fast as normal wooden ones. Unfortunately, it's four times as expensive, which means such a boat would take longer to craft (assuming you are trying to summon wood and then quickly build a boat with it).

[SangoProduction]

Soarwood is 1/4 the weight of ordinary wood while being just as hard. Vessels made from it go twice as fast as normal wooden ones. Unfortunately, it's four times as expensive, which means such a boat would take longer to craft (assuming you are trying to summon wood and then quickly build a boat with it).

Not bad. I assumed that the craft check just allowed it to manifest as the item you describe, if you make it.

[Flickerdart]

Not bad. I assumed that the craft check just allowed it to manifest as the item you describe, if you make it.
Looking up the DCs for crafting ships in Stormwrack, a dugout canoe only has a DC of 8, so even an untrained wizard would have a very good chance of success. If you need a larger boat or your caster is a sorcerer, it may be more effective to give him some help though.

[Bullet06320]

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?444927-Minor-Creation-and-You-a-Small-Guide

this may usefull, a mirror of an old WOTC thread

[SangoProduction]

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?444927-Minor-Creation-and-You-a-Small-Guide

this may usefull, a mirror of an old WOTC thread

Thanks. That's quite useful