Puzzle and Dragons XV: Deck the Halls With Orbs and Dublits

[Samuel Sturm]

Welcome to the Playground's fifteenth iteration of our thread for the popular mobile app game, Puzzle & Dragons!
(Previous thread is here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?445033-Puzzle-and-Dragons-XIV-Of-Whalepoints-and-Shamedragons).)

Here we gather to discuss, praise, complain about, and generally just natter on for this fun and addictive app game.

The first step is to point all new players to one of the beginners' guides.

The Beginner's Guide on the padWiki (http://padwiki.net/wiki/New_Players%27_Guide") is one; obryn operates there, so give him a heads up if you're finding errors! It can lag behind the news at times, but it's nice, friendly, honest, and clear.
There is also the very comprehensive Padherder New Player Guide], which is usually more current. (http://guide.padherder.com/New_Player_Guide)

We also have a linked guide to using row enhancement awoken skills! (http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=21741)

What is Puzzle & Dragons?

A Free-to-Play match-three game with surprising depth! The puzzle occupies the lower half of the screen, and the combinations you form power your team on the upper half of the screen in battle. Part pokemon, part bejeweled, part M:tG, all crack, this game is easy to learn, difficult to master and very well put together. Unlike many games of this kind, it defies genre by going for both depth and complexity while maintaining ease of pick up.

What, seriously?

Yup! While at it's surface, the game is basically any other puzzle game ever, the math behind damage output, the dungeon design, the team composition component and metagame, and the uniquely free-wheeling capacity of the puzzle make Puzzle and Dragons a stand-out despite it's terrible app graphic. It has surprisingly deep and fulfilling long-term play (at the moment, I've been playing for over 600 days), and new content comes out regularly.

So what do I need to know to get started?


First, the game itself! PAD, P&D or puzzle and dragons should all be sufficient searches to download it. It operates on Android and iOS devices, with mixed results on running it elsewhere.
Second, the beginner's guides will help a lot. You start out with one fast freebie pull on the game's real lure, the Rare Egg Machine, and a good pull here can save you a lot of frustration and also make the game much more fun. It's suggested that after you run the game a bit and get comfortable playing it, you "reroll" by uninstalling and reinstalling the application. Then you run through the tutorial again and do the free pull again, repeating until you snag a keeper (http://guide.padherder.com/Reroll_Tier_List). This is not half as bad as it sounds; it's pretty brainless, and goes by pretty quickly. If you can time your re-rolling to line up with a biweekly Godfest, you can save yourself even more frustration!
Third, friends. Good friends with compatible Leader skills are critical. When you enter a dungeon, you can bring a friend's leader with you as a member of your team; their leader skill operates alongside your own. We have a lot of great, experienced players here, with a lot of solid leaders. We can carry you when your own leader can't. Managing your leader and picking the right friend's leader is a critical part of the metagame. The GitP list is at the bottom of this thread; feel free to send any of us requests. If you have something like "@GitP" in your username, we'll know you're from this forum, and will accept your friend requests more readily!
Fourth, be stingy with stones! Magic stones are the in-app-purchase (IAP) resource, and while you get them for free pretty quickly early on, and even more on a regular basis, you'll regret being too free with their use early on. The four rules of magic stones are (1) Never pull the gold dragon Rare Egg Machine outside of a godfest; (2) You should have two monster boxes for every rank you have, and spending stones to Increase Capacity is almost never a bad idea; (3) It's generally not worth a stone to continue in a dungeon or refill your stamina until you have at least 100 stamina, and (4) No, really, don't pull the REM outside of a godfest, seriously.
Fifth, as a corollary to the above, there is a resource called Monster Points, of which the only way to obtain reasonable amounts is by selling monsters you rolled from the REM, i.e. stones. One of the potential ways to spend it is on evolution materials. This is generally about the least efficient use of your stones possible. If there's a rare material you can't currently obtain, you'll be much better off in the long run spending your resources on leveling your teams until you can, and all rare evolution materials can also be obtained randomly from the PAL machine during certain events (the news box beneath the machines will say when the Rare Evo Materials event is active).


As a closing note, Puzzle & Dragons is an immensely popular game, and there are a ton of fan-run sites for information. Most of them stay fairly up-to-date, so just go with what you prefer.

The PAD Wiki (http://www.padwiki.net) is volunteer-run, and can get out-of-date, but I think it has the friendliest format for finding information. It also has a ton of great guides and advice.
PuzzleDragonX (http://www.puzzledragonx.com) is generally the best-updated site out there, with the most current news and most complete data. It's the community's go-to resource for data, but doesn't have much in the way of advice.
PADHerder (https://www.padherder.com/) is a tool to track and manage your monster box, with some neat automated ways to update. It also has some good information pages.
PADGuide (Android (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.dnt7.padguide&hl=en) / iPhone (https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/padguide-all-about-puzzle/id651949209?mt=8)) is an awesome app which keeps very current with all data and can even alert you to Urgent! dungeons. (HIGHLY recommended; I can't live without it.)
The Puzzle and Dragons Forum (http://www.puzzleanddragonsforum.com/) is dedicated to PAD and has some pretty good (and some very old) guides.
The PAD Global (https://www.facebook.com/groups/PADGlobal/) Facebook group is for talking about PAD stuff on ... well, Facebook. It's a solid way to get more compatible friends, too, but it's not always nice to newbies.


Jasmine has provided us with a lovely friend list (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HkfzR0NNWr2-UaA9kaDBa3sov-DkT9Yb7T5LdkTa4WI/) off-site. You can submit your own info here (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/123lUFQhpuvDlVyyr83VfS9nYQJfkWNQdoCOLsMLxSLs/viewform?usp=send_form), using a monster's ID (preferred) or full name.

Our old friend list (still mostly up to date) can be found below. If you want to be updated/added, post your leads (up to two each) that you use for descends and for farming. A PadHerder can be included as well.



User
In-Game ID
Descended! Leads
Farming Leads


Obryn
dwarfSA@PG
357,549,260
http://i57.tinypic.com/osh6b4.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2012)
http://i58.tinypic.com/23seq2f.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1954)


Diego Havoc
Diego@GitP
376,879,256
http://i60.tinypic.com/axy8ie.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Flying_General%2C_Lu_Bu)
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2uufa.jpg (pad.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_of_the_Sacred_City,_Athena)


Starwulf (https://www.padherder.com/user/starwulf99/monsters/)
Starwulf
319,762,282
http://i60.tinypic.com/34h7xpi.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Sacred_Texts%2C_Metatron)
http://i60.tinypic.com/34h7xpi.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Sacred_Texts%2C_Metatron)


SiuiS
SiuiS@GitP
307,676,270
http://i60.tinypic.com/34h7xpi.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Sacred_Texts%2C_Metatron)
http://i60.tinypic.com/34h7xpi.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Sacred_Texts%2C_Metatron)


Jasmine (https://www.padherder.com/user/Jasmine/monsters/)
Jasmine
301,790,222
http://i57.tinypic.com/15f53f8.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2009)http://i59.tinypic.com/mmc2zq.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2011)

http://i60.tinypic.com/e715e1.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2006)http://i61.tinypic.com/29cpic5.jpg (pad.wikia.com/wiki/1676)


Academia (https://www.padherder.com/user/Academia/monsters/)
Aca@GitP
350,076,269
http://i59.tinypic.com/2uyhwcx.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Kirin_of_the_Sacred_Gleam%2C_Sakuya)http://i59.tinypic.com/14v7i1h.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Norn_of_the_Present%2C_Verdandi)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)http://i60.tinypic.com/33a5s07.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Goddess_of_the_Bleak_Night%2C_Pandora)


Aramul
Aram@GitP
314,795,270
http://i57.tinypic.com/9u4y0y.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Flowers%2C_Da_Qiao_%26_Xiao_Qiao)
http://i57.tinypic.com/9u4y0y.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Flowers%2C_Da_Qiao_%26_Xiao_Qiao)


Leviticus (https://www.padherder.com/user/Levictus/monsters/)
Levi@GitP
367,459,299
http://i57.tinypic.com/osh6b4.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2012)http://i58.tinypic.com/23seq2f.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1954)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)http://oi62.tinypic.com/2uufa.jpg (pad.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_of_the_Sacred_City,_Athena)


Erloas (https://www.padherder.com/user/erloas/monsters/)
ErloasGitP
325,699,229

LoraesGitP
395,991,230
http://i61.tinypic.com/157budc.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Blazing_Deity_Falcon%2C_Horus)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)http://oi62.tinypic.com/2uufa.jpg (pad.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_of_the_Sacred_City,_Athena)


Kauai (https://www.padherder.com/user/kauai/monsters/)
Kauai@gitp
364,995,253
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2uufa.jpg (pad.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_of_the_Sacred_City,_Athena)


Tyckspoon
Tyck@GitP
305,397,237
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)


Blade7
Blade@GitP
387,372,268
http://i58.tinypic.com/23seq2f.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1954)
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/pad/images/4/42/1674i.png/revision/latest?cb=20141115181157 (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Norn_of_the_Future,_Skuld)


Klaatu B. Nikto
KBN@GitP
336,576,284
http://i59.tinypic.com/jp9b45.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Banishing_Claw_Byakko%2C_Haku)
http://i59.tinypic.com/jp9b45.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Banishing_Claw_Byakko%2C_Haku)


137ben
Snes4@GitP
336,616,397
http://i60.tinypic.com/xc3aev.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1747)http://i60.tinypic.com/2dh7fp4.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Wardens%2C_Umisachi%26Yamasachi)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)http://i60.tinypic.com/34h7xpi.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Sacred_Texts%2C_Metatron)


Otravyat (https://www.padherder.com/user/Otravyat/monsters/)
Otra@GitP
329,820,344
http://i60.tinypic.com/2dh7fp4.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Wardens%2C_Umisachi%26Yamasachi)
http://oi62.tinypic.com/2uufa.jpg (pad.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_of_the_Sacred_City,_Athena)

Fax Celestis (https://www.padherder.com/user/faxcelestis/monsters/)
Fax@GitP
372,092,294
http://i.imgur.com/I36ixVN.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Awoken Bastet)http://i57.tinypic.com/2vl7885.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1949)
http://i.imgur.com/y12uJf0.png (http://padwiki.net/wiki/Chaotic_Flying_General,_Lu_Bu)


Soepvork (https://www.padherder.com/user/soepvork/monsters/)
Soepv@GitP
333,581,245
http://i61.tinypic.com/157budc.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Blazing_Deity_Falcon%2C_Horus)
http://i60.tinypic.com/axy8ie.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Flying_General%2C_Lu_Bu)http://i57.tinypic.com/9u4y0y.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Flowers%2C_Da_Qiao_%26_Xiao_Qiao)


Sallera
Kiminosei (https://www.padherder.com/user/Kiminosei/monsters/)
373,137,360

Sallera (https://www.padherder.com/user/Sallera/monsters/)
307,636,315
http://i57.tinypic.com/osh6b4.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2012)
http://i60.tinypic.com/xc3aev.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1747)
http://i62.tinypic.com/11in580.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1745)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2uprazt.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1956)


Quietus (https://www.padherder.com/user/Quietus/monsters/)
Quietus
392,538,393
http://i60.tinypic.com/xc3aev.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1747)
http://i57.tinypic.com/289vrj9.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Genius_Sleeping_Dragon%2C_Zhuge_Liang)
http://i60.tinypic.com/axy8ie.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Divine_Flying_General%2C_Lu_Bu)
http://i60.tinypic.com/e715e1.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2006)


Baka Nikujaga
Baka
346,216,306
http://i62.tinypic.com/35k3ogg.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Devoted_Miko_Goddess%2C_Kushinadahime)
http://i62.tinypic.com/35k3ogg.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Devoted_Miko_Goddess%2C_Kushinadahime)


Flare'90 (https://www.padherder.com/user/flare90/monsters/)
Flare@Gitp
325,249,325
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)http://i60.tinypic.com/xc3aev.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/1747)
http://i61.tinypic.com/2v33fvr.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Marvelous_Red_Dragon_Caller%2C_Sonia)http://i.imgur.com/i1qHxqx.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Awoken_Shiva)

Anarion (http://www.padherder.com/user/Anarion/monsters/)
Anar@gitp
365,764,335
http://i.imgur.com/i1qHxqx.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Awoken_Shiva)
http://i.imgur.com/HTrq2Wu.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Norn_of_the_Past,_Urd)

firedaemon33
Firedaemon
380,663,332
http://i60.tinypic.com/34h7xpi.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Sacred_Texts%2C_Metatron)
http://i60.tinypic.com/34h7xpi.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Keeper_of_the_Sacred_Texts%2C_Metatron)

Meta
iNuzzle@/r
388,412,339
http://i59.tinypic.com/14v7i1h.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Norn_of_the_Present%2C_Verdandi)
http://i59.tinypic.com/14v7i1h.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Norn_of_the_Present%2C_Verdandi)


Fleeing Coward
FC@GitP
379,570,319
http://i59.tinypic.com/mmc2zq.png (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/2011)
http://i59.tinypic.com/14v7i1h.jpg (http://pad.wikia.com/wiki/Norn_of_the_Present%2C_Verdandi)











Credits to everyone who's ever contributed to the OP. :smallbiggrin:

[obryn]

Thanks dude!

I love latent farming and I'm thrilled Hera-Is will be the next hp say.

[Fax Celestis]

I got Indigo today. ASakuya is nuts. Ganesha was a lifesaver sub. Cost me a stone though because she took a second swing instead of locking orbs in her preemptive, which was totally unexpected.

[Fleeing Coward]

I got Indigo today. ASakuya is nuts. Ganesha was a lifesaver sub. Cost me a stone though because she took a second swing instead of locking orbs in her preemptive, which was totally unexpected.

If you resist both poison and jammers, normal attack happens instead of the lock. Happened to me too the first time I tried it because stupid Liu Bei suceeded in his 20% jammer resist roll.

I'm officially converted to the church of Ra Chicken. After failing C10 the first time with Bastet because of a screw up on Athena, I managed to 0 stone it with Ra Dragon. Having Indra's 3 turn super shield made Goemon very easy.

[Fax Celestis]

If you resist both poison and jammers, normal attack happens instead of the lock. Happened to me too the first time I tried it because stupid Liu Bei suceeded in his 20% jammer resist roll.

I'm officially converted to the church of Ra Chicken. After failing C10 the first time with Bastet because of a screw up on Athena, I managed to 0 stone it with Ra Dragon. Having Indra's 3 turn super shield made Goemon very easy.

60% jammer, 40% poison resist. So lucky I'm unlucky.

[Mystic Muse]

Which ult evo for Ares is better?

[obryn]

Which ult evo for Ares is better?
The light on, definitely.

[Fax Celestis]

Woo another rando BF. Also he sent me a present and I got a brachybean out of it.

[Mystic Muse]

I wish I had more than one BF. :smallfrown:

While I'm stuck waiting to evolve my Vampire Lord (Darn keeper of Rainbow only dropping on Tuesdays), I'm curious, which of my dark monsters would it be best to prioritize. Asking more for general use than those that have a good but specific niche.

https://www.padherder.com/user/MysticMuse/monsters/#31,0,31,2047,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;defau lt,0

If I've already asked this, sorry for being forgetful.

[Quietus]

I wish I had more than one BF. :smallfrown:

While I'm stuck waiting to evolve my Vampire Lord (Darn keeper of Rainbow only dropping on Tuesdays), I'm curious, which of my dark monsters would it be best to prioritize. Asking more for general use than those that have a good but specific niche.

https://www.padherder.com/user/MysticMuse/monsters/#31,0,31,2047,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;defau lt,0

If I've already asked this, sorry for being forgetful.

I wouldn't worry about "generally good" dark monsters; instead, look at what your teams require and plan around that. Having Vampire is going to be useful to you, but the amount of effort you'll have to invest to get other things evolved and leveled and skilled up... well. It's better to ut that effort in only for stuff you intend to use.

[Sallera]

Alraune should be your next priority for dark mons. It's a shame you didn't get around to skilling her up, but even unskilled, she's your best option for dealing with 3+ turn binds on your Karin team.

[Mystic Muse]

Alraune should be your next priority for dark mons. It's a shame you didn't get around to skilling her up, but even unskilled, she's your best option for dealing with 3+ turn binds on your Karin team.

I tried, but the guy only dropped twice, and didn't give me a skill up either time I fused them.

Thanks for the advice. :smallsmile:

[Quietus]

And, since today is the last day of voting : A complete list of the current Player's Choice standings! If you haven't voted yet, go do so : https://a.pgtb.me/QLlSTq

1:[1587] Goddess of Power, Kali : 828
2:[1585] Goddess of Secrets, Kali : 463
3:[140] Yomi : 449
4:[2147] Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna : 448
5:[494] Bastet : 388
6:[138] Amaterasu : 376
7:[751] Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya : 330
8:[236] Shiva : 318
9:[1107] Phantom God, Odin : 318
10:[496] Ra : 295
11:[1235] Liu Bei : 292
12:[492] Isis : 286
13:[753] Incarnation of Byakko, Haku : 262
14:[136] Susano : 248
15:[749] Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei : 228
16:[1334] Vishnu : 218
17:[2149] Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki : 215
18:[132] Kagutsuchi : 209
19:[128] Venus : 198
20:[2145] Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede : 196
21:[2272] Akechi Mitsuhide : 195
22:[1231] Cao Cao : 192
23:[1233] Sun Quan : 191
24:[364] Odin, the War Deity : 191
25:[642] Dark Angel Metatron : 191
26:[1073] Pandora : 190
27:[807] Okuninushi : 190
28:[370] Idunn&Idunna : 190
29:[242] Indra : 190
30:[1671] The Norn Verdandi : 189
****Cutoff****
31:[803] Kushinadahime : 176
32:[122] Minerva : 173
33:[498] Anubis : 152
34:[911] Red Dragon Caller, Sonia : 135
35:[626] Archangel Raphael : 125
36:[1950] White Beast Demon, Ilm : 123



37:[745] Incarnation of Suzaku, Leilan : 103
38:[1372] Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang : 91
39:[362] Odin : 88
40:[567] Ares : 87
41:[1673] The Norn Skuld : 83
42:[1239] Lu Bu : 77
43:[1067] Andromeda : 76
44:[134] Viper Orochi : 72
45:[1669] The Norn Urd : 71
46:[628] Archangel Lucifer : 70
47:[575] Persephone : 62
48:[124] Neptune : 57
49:[126] Ceres : 55
50:[1237] Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao : 55
51:[130] Hades : 53
52:[569] Hermes : 51
53:[1828] Blue Angel, Famiel : 48
54:[490] Horus : 47
55:[1663] Osiris : 47
56:[801] Umisachi&Yamasachi : 46
57:[1667] Nephthys : 43
58:[573] Apollo : 41
59:[805] Izanagi : 41
60:[1946] Red Dragonbound, Gadius : 41
61:[1952] Black Beast Demon, Zuoh : 39
62:[376] Loki : 38
63:[1065] Yamato Takeru : 38
64:[1948] Black Dragonbound, Typhon : 36
65:[1088] Blue Dragon Caller, Sonia : 33
66:[1659] Set : 32
67:[747] Incarnation of Seiryuu, Karin : 30
68:[1374] Life Dragon, Zhuge Liang : 29
69:[571] Artemis : 28
70:[240] Parvati : 27
71:[374] Thor : 26
72:[1338] Durga : 26
73:[368] Freyr : 25
74:[1834] Dark Angel, Lumiel : 25
75:[238] Lakshmi : 24
76:[624] Archangel Michael : 22
77:[620] Archangel Uriel : 20
78:[372] Freyja : 18
79:[2264] Sanada Yukimura : 17
80:[640] Archangel Metatron : 16
81:[1071] Sun Wukong : 16
82:[799] Ame no Uzume : 15
83:[2266] Mori Motonari : 13
84:[1665] Hathor : 13
85:[2143] Indigo Dragon Caller, Sumire : 13
86:[622] Archangel Gabriel : 12
87:[1332] Sarasvati : 12
88:[2141] Scarlet Dragon Caller, Tsubaki : 12
89:[638] Fallen Angel Lucifer : 11
90:[1243] Loyal Deity, Guan Yu : 11
91:[244] Vritra : 9
92:[1241] Bearded Deity, Guan Yu : 8
93:[1069] Perseus : 8
94:[1661] Nut : 8
95:[1830] Green Angel, Ruel : 8
96:[913] Jade Dragon Caller, Sonia : 8
97:[634] Astaroth : 7
98:[1330] Krishna : 6
99:[1826] Red Angel, Rozuel : 6
100:[1832] Holy Angel, Ariel : 6
101:[2268] Ishida Mitsunari : 5
102:[2270] Maeda Keiji : 5
103:[1336] Ganesha : 4
104:[630] Belial : 4
105:[636] Baal : 4
106:[632] Amon : 3

[137beth]

Whelp, I failed on both Indigo and Sonia Gran:smallannoyed:
Nice new title, though!

[Mystic Muse]

Have they mentioned when the PCGF is? Trying to determine how many stones I can get by then.

[Quietus]

Have they mentioned when the PCGF is? Trying to determine how many stones I can get by then.

I think there's been a couple weeks, usually? I wouldn't expect it to be until December, at least. My guess is it'll come after the Evangelion event.

[Fax Celestis]

They might do it for the Christmas GF.

Poor Leilan. She's so good and yet so bad. :(

[Quietus]

They might do it for the Christmas GF.

Poor Leilan. She's so good and yet so bad. :(

I know, Leilan is so close! I'm just glad Indra is still edging in, I was able to give him the vote to pull ahead of Verdandi.

[Otravyat]

I love Awoken Sakuya on these 7x6 boards. Took out both forms of Indigo today, although mythical took a couple tries. Died a couple times to skyfalls activating Sakuya and not healing the necessary 11k on Amon before I killed him. When a single skyfall suddenly brings me from x1 to x81, it's just funny.

[Quietus]

Godfest news : Looks like the 30 I posted earlier is still intact, with one change : Kushi has just pushed I&I out, by two votes right now. If anyone's unsure where to vote, I would appreciate some I&I votes, my girlfriend could really use them for her U&Y team. :smalltongue:

[Fax Celestis]

Ulted my kushinada. She's now a strong contender for an ABaster seat, I just don't have any room for her.

I also pulled down a +rcv latent, which I put on GValk as it would have the most immediate and largest impact. Yeah I could've put it on LMeta, but I actually use GValk.

[obryn]

Yeah, don't stress the +atk/rcv/autoheal latents. They make so little difference.

[Fax Celestis]

I mean, on GValk a +rcv latent is equivalent to just under 9 rcv plusses. It's not irrelevant, but it is tiny. Still, my ABastet team's biggest issue is recovering from big hits: I have mediocre RCV, so putting it on her team on the highest source of RCV on the team gives me marginally better survivability.

[Otravyat]

Yeah, don't stress the +atk/rcv/autoheal latents. They make so little difference.

My biggest worry is actually replacing them later. Don't they get replaced in the order you added them? I have a time extend on my U&Y, and I'm not going to add any more latents if I would later have to overlap a time extend later in order to get rid of it. I want to end up with 5 time extends.

[Quietus]

Well. PCGF is still fighting for spots 28-31. Kushinada (221), Verdandi (222), Indra (225), and I&I (219); one of these four will be out. I personally want Indra in, and my girlfriend wants I&I; suppose we'll find out tomorrow how that goes. Crossing fingers!

... Though now that I think about it, that fight has pushed them all up considerably. If no one else moved, then they've all gone up a number of spots. I guess it's still no holds barred. Results will be interesting!

::Edit:: Yep, just did a quick scan; the cards I had listed as spots 20-31 are basically all within ten votes of each other. One card will be left out. Right now it looks like that may be Venus, I'd be okay with that, but we shall see!

[Fleeing Coward]

So the ones people here want that have a realistic chance of getting in are Akechi and I&I?

I don't really use Facebook but between my account and some family accounts, I have a few votes that I can put on one of them at the last minute if it looks like they need help.

[Sallera]

Ach, way too many failures at C10. Eventually had to give in and spend a stone to finish off Goemon. An Indra or Susanoo would certainly be nice for situations like this. At least I got around to clearing Nordis this time around?

[Quietus]

So the ones people here want that have a realistic chance of getting in are Akechi and I&I?

I don't really use Facebook but between my account and some family accounts, I have a few votes that I can put on one of them at the last minute if it looks like they need help.

Well, apparently I misjudged, and today is the last day, not yesterday. So.. probably more worthwhile to look at the full list again, but I don't have time to pull it all out. If what I was looking at yesterday holds true, the top 31 remained the top 31, and it's just a question of who's being left out. I'm assuming this is still accurate.

[Fax Celestis]

Well, apparently I misjudged, and today is the last day, not yesterday. So.. probably more worthwhile to look at the full list again, but I don't have time to pull it all out. If what I was looking at yesterday holds true, the top 31 remained the top 31, and it's just a question of who's being left out. I'm assuming this is still accurate.

Here is current Top 40

1:[1587] Goddess of Power, Kali: 838
2:[1585] Goddess of Secrets, Kali: 471
3:[140] Yomi: 463
4:[2147] Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna: 458
5:[494] Bastet: 396
6:[138] Amaterasu: 385
7:[751] Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya: 343
8:[236] Shiva: 336
9:[1107] Phantom God, Odin: 329
10:[496] Ra: 304
11:[1235] Liu Bei: 300
12:[492] Isis: 299
13:[753] Incarnation of Byakko, Haku: 278
14:[136] Susano: 263
15:[2145] Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede: 243
16:[2149] Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki: 241
17:[749] Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei: 241
18:[1334] Vishnu: 241
19:[370] Idunn&Idunna: 240
20:[242] Indra: 240
21:[132] Kagutsuchi: 240
22:[642] Dark Angel Metatron: 239
23:[1073] Pandora: 239
24:[1233] Sun Quan: 238
25:[364] Odin, the War Deity: 238
26:[2272] Akechi Mitsuhide: 238
27:[803] Kushinadahime: 238
28:[1231] Cao Cao: 238
29:[807] Okuninushi: 237
30:[1671] The Norn Verdandi: 237
31:[128] Venus: 236
32:[122] Minerva: 185
33:[498] Anubis: 164
34:[911] Red Dragon Caller, Sonia: 142
35:[626] Archangel Raphael: 138
36:[1950] White Beast Demon, Ilm: 137
37:[745] Incarnation of Suzaku, Leilan: 110
38:[362] Odin: 95
39:[1372] Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang: 95
40:[1673] The Norn Skuld: 91

Bolded entries are within 10 votes of 30th place.

[Quietus]

Here is current Top 40

1:[1587] Goddess of Power, Kali: 838
2:[1585] Goddess of Secrets, Kali: 471
3:[140] Yomi: 463
4:[2147] Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna: 458
5:[494] Bastet: 396
6:[138] Amaterasu: 385
7:[751] Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya: 343
8:[236] Shiva: 336
9:[1107] Phantom God, Odin: 329
10:[496] Ra: 304
11:[1235] Liu Bei: 300
12:[492] Isis: 299
13:[753] Incarnation of Byakko, Haku: 278
14:[136] Susano: 263
15:[2145] Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede: 243
16:[2149] Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki: 241
17:[749] Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei: 241
18:[1334] Vishnu: 241
19:[370] Idunn&Idunna: 240
20:[242] Indra: 240
21:[132] Kagutsuchi: 240
22:[642] Dark Angel Metatron: 239
23:[1073] Pandora: 239
24:[1233] Sun Quan: 238
25:[364] Odin, the War Deity: 238
26:[2272] Akechi Mitsuhide: 238
27:[803] Kushinadahime: 238
28:[1231] Cao Cao: 238
29:[807] Okuninushi: 237
30:[1671] The Norn Verdandi: 237
31:[128] Venus: 236
32:[122] Minerva: 185
33:[498] Anubis: 164
34:[911] Red Dragon Caller, Sonia: 142
35:[626] Archangel Raphael: 138
36:[1950] White Beast Demon, Ilm: 137
37:[745] Incarnation of Suzaku, Leilan: 110
38:[362] Odin: 95
39:[1372] Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang: 95
40:[1673] The Norn Skuld: 91

Bolded entries are within 10 votes of 30th place.

Wow. That fight to not be left off is pulling in a lot of cards. It's shocking how many we thought were sure things are getting wrapped up in this now. I have a couple I'd love to see fall off the list, my personal preference would be to ditch Venus and let everything else in.

[Fax Celestis]

Unrelated news: I have had hypered Bastet for months, and I just yesterday realized that there is literally no excuse for me to not have attack-all active at all times.

EDIT: 0/5 Nut
2/5 mini-SQ
0/5 Kamui

ಥ╭╮ಥ

[obryn]

Unrelated news: I have had hypered Bastet for months, and I just yesterday realized that there is literally no excuse for me to not have attack-all active at all times.
I tend to be conservative with it since it's rather overkill with all the prongs. I use it mostly when I need that damage kicker. :smallbiggrin:

[Fax Celestis]

I tend to be conservative with it since it's rather overkill with all the prongs. I use it mostly when I need that damage kicker. :smallbiggrin:

Well, I have GValk on 5 turns and AIsis on 3 if I really need that damage boost. I need two more skillups on Meimei to get her to 9 turns and then I can start pushing Gilliam down to 5 turns too. I'm sort of dragging my feet on py'ing Gilliam because I feel like the beast riders will eventually get real skillup cards, but it's just taking forever.

[Otravyat]

Is there a consensus best bind clear for AYomi?

[Anarion]

How did I miss a whole page of this thread? Ah well. Meantime, I'm still working on Ra chicken. I'd evo him, but I got stymied yesterday running super king infestation 4 times with no super gold drops to evolve Defoud. I'm also disgusted at the 9,999,999 experience curve. I gave him a level 50 light snow globe and he gained 25 levels. :smallsigh:

The norns are amazing on the 7x6 boards, by the by. You get ~4 tpas in your color and an easy 10 combos on average, I'd say.

[Fax Celestis]

Is there a consensus best bind clear for AYomi?

Aamir? IDK, I know nothing about Yomi teams.

[Quietus]

Unrelated news: I have had hypered Bastet for months, and I just yesterday realized that there is literally no excuse for me to not have attack-all active at all times.

EDIT: 0/5 Nut
2/5 mini-SQ
0/5 Kamui

ಥ╭╮ಥ


I tend to be conservative with it since it's rather overkill with all the prongs. I use it mostly when I need that damage kicker. :smallbiggrin:

I'm more on Obryn's end of things, with a heavy helping of "Use it for damage boost". Particularly on my phone, where I don't have a reliable quick orb changer, all my skill cooldowns are 8+. I need to get Gvalk set up and running... except then I lose 100% skill lock resist. Meh.

[Sallera]

Is there a consensus best bind clear for AYomi?

YomiDra > HAlraune = (post-patch) Sleeping Beauty >> Aamir = DDK. Ish.

[Fax Celestis]

I'm more on Obryn's end of things, with a heavy helping of "Use it for damage boost". Particularly on my phone, where I don't have a reliable quick orb changer, all my skill cooldowns are 8+. I need to get Gvalk set up and running... except then I lose 100% skill lock resist. Meh.

Who are you running? I know you have Gilliam and Meimei, so Bastet//Meimei/Gilliam/?/?//Bastet is 80%. AIsis, Vishnu, Kaede, Perseus, Verd, Kushi, Thumbelina, Artemis, AYomi (in approximate order of goodness to badness) all could cover that last 20%.

[Quietus]

Who are you running? I know you have Gilliam and Meimei, so Bastet//Meimei/Gilliam/?/?//Bastet is 80%. AIsis, Vishnu, Kaede, Perseus, Verd, Kushi, Thumbelina, Artemis, AYomi (in approximate order of goodness to badness) all could cover that last 20%.

Tablet has Gilliam. Phone does not. Phone runs subs of GZL/Meimei/Liu Bei/Verdandi, most times. Sub in Sasuke for Verdandi, when I run Zaerog8. The tablet has the same team, but swaps Verdandi out for Gilliam, and holy wow does he make that team so much better. I'm really hoping to get Gilliam on the phone for that exact reason.

[Jasmine]

literally no excuse
You mean like a nice time extend that ensures you don't f*** up a crucial combo?


The norns are amazing on the 7x6 boards, by the by. You get ~4 tpas in your color and an easy 10 combos on average, I'd say.
I think that's more of 7x6 boards being amazing for your damage rather than the norns being good for them. Stuff actually reliant on high number of combos/high number of orbs like Kirin and Goemon can hit 50 mil regularly, even without a slime.

Took your logic and stoned once on 9 and twice on 10 for the plusses instead of trying them multiple times. Stupid Beelz preempt countering anyone who hasn't bought a fullboard changer yet. Nearly have another +297 stored up now, not sure if I should wait for PCGF or just throw them on something like fat choco or haku or kushi or goemon.

[obryn]

I think that's more of 7x6 boards being amazing for your damage rather than the norns being good for them. Stuff actually reliant on high number of combos/high number of orbs like Kirin and Goemon can hit 50 mil regularly, even without a slime.
I concur. They are also amazing with RaDra since you are highly likely to get a workable board, and everyone knows A.Anubis is the doG-King of 7x6

[Fax Celestis]

You mean like a nice time extend that ensures you don't f*** up a crucial combo?

Dependent on which build I use, ABastet is already running 6-8 time extends, plus latents (usually six TE latents), for 3.3-4.3 extra seconds of movetime without an active. That's, in my experience, generally far more than enough.

[Kauai]

Kauai time again. Quoting stuff from the old thread too.


Quoting to preserve this for the inevitable future "wow, you're still running those garbage Kalis?!" in a couple years.

LOL Yeah, I thought about that as soon as I posted it. Ah well.


Oh, definitely if Akechi is skilled. But yeah, that team has some great potential. Plus you're sitting on six rowhances. A row of hearts and a row of dark would be 67.6x (Actually more than that due to combo counts, enhanced orbs, and the bonus for extra orbs in a match, but you see what I'm saying).

And you have skill lock immunity, 8 skill boosts (Pandora and Akechi turn 1, YomiDra turn 2, Typhon turn 3), and 6 time extends. 20k HP and 2k RCV before plusses too.

I need to try this team. Have zero dark piis right now tho thanks to Yomi and YomiDra tho, so it will have to wait. (Didn't even max out AAnubis yet due to YomiDra coming before I bothered feeding piis to him.) Not to mention I need to focus my efforts on my RaDra team first anyway.


Don't have an AShiva, no. (My HIza's only half-skilled as well, honestly; that drop rate is a bit of a pain.) Since you've got Akechi, though, I think Okuni/DIza/AHaku/Akechi would be pretty much perfect for you. Sengoku generals are annoying to farm skillups for (it's the same setup as Egypt 2 skillups, rare spawn in a biweekly), and probably won't be in NA for a couple months, but even unskilled, Akechi's a really good active for YomiDra.

And yet another team I need to work on. lol At least both Akechi and YomiDra works on both this and Typhon's build, so it helps with that effort. I can do multiple AHakus but again, no skillups on them. And just the thought of farming dark jewels to do that is disheartening. lol


Keep in mind, I was coming from the perspective of moving from Ra to Shiva, so yeah, it was a bit easier. :smallbiggrin:

Apparently, my RaDra is famous and was on the twitch stream? Weird.

Oh no doubt, hence why I was puzzled at first. But once I got used to AShiva's playstyle it became very clear how powerful and relatively easy it is to use his team.

I watched some of the twitch stream on replay but didn't see that part. I didn't watch all the way to the end; did that happen in the last 1/3 or so of the stream?


I love Awoken Sakuya on these 7x6 boards. Took out both forms of Indigo today, although mythical took a couple tries. Died a couple times to skyfalls activating Sakuya and not healing the necessary 11k on Amon before I killed him. When a single skyfall suddenly brings me from x1 to x81, it's just funny.

Congrats! I tried Indigo once with AShiva and was totally thrown off by the layout of the board. lol Failed and didn't bother going back in again. Kicking myself tho as Indigo is an evo mat for... something. Should have gotten at least one.


My biggest worry is actually replacing them later. Don't they get replaced in the order you added them? I have a time extend on my U&Y, and I'm not going to add any more latents if I would later have to overlap a time extend later in order to get rid of it. I want to end up with 5 time extends.

That's exactly why I've been sitting on a latent +RCV tama (plus an extra HP one that I got from the other day). I'm thinking I'll probably only use +time ones on AShiva, and I already fed him the one we got from some event awhile back so I don't want to feed him anything else. The +RCV one is kind of a throw-away tho, so I should probably just feed it to any random card. I'll probably keep the +HP one tho, as it at least has some use.


I concur. They are also amazing with RaDra since you are highly likely to get a workable board, and everyone knows A.Anubis is the doG-King of 7x6

Yeah, I probably should have max skilled my Anubis but meh. Guess that will be the next dark pii target?

[obryn]

I watched some of the twitch stream on replay but didn't see that part. I didn't watch all the way to the end; did that happen in the last 1/3 or so of the stream?
I honestly don't know. I didn't watch it, either, but I was told about it on another site. :smallsmile:


Yeah, I probably should have max skilled my Anubis but meh. Guess that will be the next dark pii target?
Eh. It's a good active for his team, since his Leader Skill boosts whenever a skill is used. It's probably not a top priority, to be honest.

[Fax Celestis]

Current top 40. Bolded are within 10 votes of 30th place.

1:[1587] Goddess of Power, Kali: 848
2:[1585] Goddess of Secrets, Kali: 484
3:[140] Yomi: 478
4:[2147] Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna: 468
5:[138] Amaterasu: 400
6:[494] Bastet: 399
7:[751] Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya: 347
8:[236] Shiva: 345
9:[1107] Phantom God, Odin: 338
10:[496] Ra: 310
11:[492] Isis: 305
12:[1235] Liu Bei: 303
13:[753] Incarnation of Byakko, Haku: 284
14:[136] Susano: 271
15:[1233] Sun Quan: 265
16:[1334] Vishnu: 264
17:[1671] The Norn Verdandi: 264
18:[242] Indra: 263
19:[807] Okuninushi: 261
20:[749] Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei: 261
21:[128] Venus: 260
22:[2145] Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede: 260
23:[2149] Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki: 260
24:[2272] Akechi Mitsuhide: 259
25:[1231] Cao Cao: 258
26:[1073] Pandora: 258
27:[803] Kushinadahime: 258
28:[642] Dark Angel Metatron: 257
29:[370] Idunn&Idunna: 257
30:[364] Odin, the War Deity: 256
31:[132] Kagutsuchi: 256
32:[122] Minerva: 188
33:[498] Anubis: 170
34:[626] Archangel Raphael: 143
35:[1950] White Beast Demon, Ilm: 143
36:[911] Red Dragon Caller, Sonia: 143
37:[745] Incarnation of Suzaku, Leilan: 113
38:[1372] Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang: 97
39:[362] Odin: 95
40:[567] Ares: 91

This is crazy.

[Quietus]

Current top 40. Bolded are within 10 votes of 30th place.

1:[1587] Goddess of Power, Kali: 848
2:[1585] Goddess of Secrets, Kali: 484
3:[140] Yomi: 478
4:[2147] Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna: 468
5:[138] Amaterasu: 400
6:[494] Bastet: 399
7:[751] Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya: 347
8:[236] Shiva: 345
9:[1107] Phantom God, Odin: 338
10:[496] Ra: 310
11:[492] Isis: 305
12:[1235] Liu Bei: 303
13:[753] Incarnation of Byakko, Haku: 284
14:[136] Susano: 271
15:[1233] Sun Quan: 265
16:[1334] Vishnu: 264
17:[1671] The Norn Verdandi: 264
18:[242] Indra: 263
19:[807] Okuninushi: 261
20:[749] Incarnation of Genbu, Meimei: 261
21:[128] Venus: 260
22:[2145] Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede: 260
23:[2149] Moon Dragon Caller, Satsuki: 260
24:[2272] Akechi Mitsuhide: 259
25:[1231] Cao Cao: 258
26:[1073] Pandora: 258
27:[803] Kushinadahime: 258
28:[642] Dark Angel Metatron: 257
29:[370] Idunn&Idunna: 257
30:[364] Odin, the War Deity: 256
31:[132] Kagutsuchi: 256
32:[122] Minerva: 188
33:[498] Anubis: 170
34:[626] Archangel Raphael: 143
35:[1950] White Beast Demon, Ilm: 143
36:[911] Red Dragon Caller, Sonia: 143
37:[745] Incarnation of Suzaku, Leilan: 113
38:[1372] Sleeping Dragon, Zhuge Liang: 97
39:[362] Odin: 95
40:[567] Ares: 91

This is crazy.

How in the world is VENUS, of all things, beating ... everything bolded below her? Is she riding on the coattails of Raphael? And if so, how is Raphael himself not competing?

[Fleeing Coward]

A month ot two late but I finally popped in to slaughter Nordis with Ra Chicken.
While it's definitely more of a challenge compared to the mindless comboing that is Bastet, the damage is more than worth it.
An extra 3 fingers helps too (10 v 7).

[Jasmine]

Dependent on which build I use, ABastet is already running 6-8 time extends, plus latents (usually six TE latents), for 3.3-4.3 extra seconds of movetime without an active. That's, in my experience, generally far more than enough.
In the experience of someone who's surprised at S-ranking 5-color dungeons? :smalltongue: Unless you've massively improved since then, you could probably use the extra time...:smallbiggrin:

[Fax Celestis]

In the experience of someone who's surprised at S-ranking 5-color dungeons? :smalltongue: Unless you've massively improved since then, you could probably use the extra time...:smallbiggrin:

The surprise at S-Ranking 5 colors comes primarily from (a) not trying and having it happen anyway; and (b) having an average team rarity of 7+. I can s-rank no problem if I pull out my low-rare team.

[Jasmine]

The surprise at S-Ranking 5 colors comes primarily from (a) not trying and having it happen anyway; and (b) having an average team rarity of 7+. I can s-rank no problem if I pull out my low-rare team.
Which implies you don't usually S-rank everything playing normally via combos without a low-rare team, hence could use the extra time to make those combos.

[Fax Celestis]

Nah, my problem is that I usually hit 7 combos and then run out of space on the board, and I need to hit 8.5+ average in order to s-rank off my usual team (http://tamadra.com/s-rank/water-carnival?R=42&T=5&C=8.560).

[Anarion]

Nah, my problem is that I usually hit 7 combos and then run out of space on the board, and I need to hit 8.5+ average in order to s-rank off my usual team (http://tamadra.com/s-rank/water-carnival?R=42&T=5&C=8.560).

Just drop one or two of your normal guys and put some cheap masks in. I do all the S-ranks with Urd bookends and 4 red evolution masks (cuz the Urds between them give enough hp).

[gooddragon1]

A few more questions:

So, if I did get GrOdin, what would be the easiest team to farm that could get me quite a good distance (bearing in mind my 2-3 combo limit)(just the normal dungeons, descends are too hard)? I've heard that some of the normal dungeons are harder than descends, which ones would those be? If I feed my 5 tamadra that I've stockpiled to him at 2nd evolutionary form, then evo him, will he keep those 5 awakenings? Will Shynpy raise his skill? I know the woodpy I got recently will, but I'm wondering if secondary attributes count.

[Fax Celestis]

Just drop one or two of your normal guys and put some cheap masks in. I do all the S-ranks with Urd bookends and 4 red evolution masks (cuz the Urds between them give enough hp).

Yeah, I know. That just falls under the "trying" part. Like I said, the surprise is when I happen to do it on accident with my standard team.

[Jasmine]

A few more questions:

So, if I did get GrOdin, what would be the easiest team to farm that could get me quite a good distance (bearing in mind my 2-3 combo limit)(just the normal dungeons, descends are too hard)? I've heard that some of the normal dungeons are harder than descends, which ones would those be? If I feed my 5 tamadra that I've stockpiled to him at 2nd evolutionary form, then evo him, will he keep those 5 awakenings? Will Shynpy raise his skill? I know the woodpy I got recently will, but I'm wondering if secondary attributes count.
Without even rolling a grodin and just using your friends, you can beat up to Starlight sanctuary-Queen of gods (fourth to last dungeon in normals) Having your own grodin will let you beat one more (King of gods), as well as being able to use a troll team for the very last dungeon, legendary earth, though it may take over an hour. The second to last dungeon is extremely difficult for GrOdin because the boss floor has two monsters, so you won't be able to do that. The last 3 dungeons are the ones harder than some descends.

You can probably beat Goemon, Valk, Herais with Grodin, and Hera/2Heroes if you want to count the ex-descends.

Easiest team will be 4 things with fast hard nukes, easy team that goes further is probably 3 Hera or Herais + 1 high dark ninja.

Shinepee will not raise his skill. Tamadra carry over.

[Fax Celestis]

Yeah, I know. That just falls under the "trying" part. Like I said, the surprise is when I happen to do it on accident with my standard team.

http://I.imgur.com/fIVDc8x.png

I'm just usually too lazy to edit teams.

[Quietus]

Okay, can someone clarify - in the Challenge dungeon. Are you gaining a Latent Tamadra for the appropriate boost? Or are you gaining a Tamadra with +30 in the relevant stat? Because that makes one hell of a difference, for me....

[137beth]

Godfest news : Looks like the 30 I posted earlier is still intact, with one change : Kushi has just pushed I&I out, by two votes right now. If anyone's unsure where to vote, I would appreciate some I&I votes, my girlfriend could really use them for her U&Y team. :smalltongue:

Heh, I'm neutral as to which of those make it, seeing as I have two I&Is and one Kush...although if more people have I&I than it will be easier to run awoken I&I teams, so what the heck:smallsmile:
Although, now it looks like both will make it in.

[Anarion]

Okay, can someone clarify - in the Challenge dungeon. Are you gaining a Latent Tamadra for the appropriate boost? Or are you gaining a Tamadra with +30 in the relevant stat? Because that makes one hell of a difference, for me....

It's a regular Tamadra with +30 to that stat (so worth like 10 runs of star vault)

[Quietus]

It's a regular Tamadra with +30 to that stat (so worth like 10 runs of star vault)

Well. That changes everything.

[Fleeing Coward]

Looks like there's enough votes to keep I&I safe judging by the last update 13 minutes before polls closed. Tossed 4 votes her way with less than an hour left by borrowing my brother and cousins' facebook accounts :smalltongue:

[Quietus]

Looks like there's enough votes to keep I&I safe judging by the last update 13 minutes before polls closed. Tossed 4 votes her way with less than an hour left by borrowing my brother and cousins' facebook accounts :smalltongue:

That will no doubt help, thanks! I'm scared to see who got left off... I had a very strong idea of who I was rooting for when there was only four in the running, but when that went to sixteen... :smalltongue:

[Fax Celestis]

Reports from Reddit from "literally seconds before the cutoff" are that Blodin is the odd man out.

EDIT: The theorized top 30: http://pastebin.com/BkFY8kJt

[Quietus]

Reports from Reddit from "literally seconds before the cutoff" are that Blodin is the odd man out.

EDIT: The theorized top 30: http://pastebin.com/BkFY8kJt

Tha.. buh... WHA? How is Venus #17, and Blodin #31? What am I missing about Venus?

[Fax Celestis]

Tha.. buh... WHA? How is Venus #17, and Blodin #31? What am I missing about Venus?

On-color on-type for LKali, HKali, U&Y, ARa, and ASakuya, with a fast CTW-esque active? IDK man, I don't get it either.

[Quietus]

On-color on-type for LKali, HKali, U&Y, ARa, and ASakuya, with a fast CTW-esque active? IDK man, I don't get it either.

With no skill bind resist, no time extends, and six second CTW isn't that great. The prong is nice, but I don't think she's THAT good, overall, outside of cheesing certain light/water dungeons.

[Sallera]

She's primarily notable for the three light rows + light enhance making her an excellent sub for XQ, Wukong, Yuria, and Saria/AThor teams. With the former two being rarer these days and the latter two not yet in NA, it is a bit odd that she made it in.

[Otravyat]

She's primarily notable for the three light rows + light enhance making her an excellent sub for XQ, Wukong, Yuria, and Saria/AThor teams. With the former two being rarer these days and the latter two not yet in NA, it is a bit odd that she made it in.

I'm just confused as to why Raphael is out if her rows got her in.

Also, AThor was released last week with indigo coming around.

[Fax Celestis]

Plus no one you listed made the top 30.

I'm beginning to think people voted her in to have a hot box cheerleader.

[obryn]

Those who voted for Akechi? We made a difference.

[Fax Celestis]

Those who voted for Akechi? We made a difference.

Hilariously, so did my vote for Vishnu.

[Quietus]

Hilariously, so did my vote for Vishnu.

And mine for Indra!

[Fleeing Coward]

What Gungho isn't telling us is half of those votes were actually made by them to give the illusion of a close contest :smalltongue:

Edit: Also had some luck with Hera-is this morning. 3 invades in 7 runs means my Ra Dragon's got his latents done too and now it's just a matter of waiting for resist invades to make it to NA.

[obryn]

So my Ra Chicken has all his +hp latent awakenings. Woop Woop.

Also, GungHo is doing the 5 stones for a buck thing on Friday! Buy yourself a PCGF roll!

[Mystic Muse]

Misclicks, the bane of my existence. :smallfrown:

[Quietus]

So my Ra Chicken has all his +hp latent awakenings. Woop Woop.

Also, GungHo is doing the 5 stones for a buck thing on Friday! Buy yourself a PCGF roll!

Hmmmmmmmm.... I know I just said that I was going non-IAP, but do I give myself leeway for 5/$1? I'm tempted.

[obryn]

Hmmmmmmmm.... I know I just said that I was going non-IAP, but do I give myself leeway for 5/$1? I'm tempted.
I think it's a good deal, myself!

[Sallera]

Got a set of HP latents for ARa today, and a couple extras for Sumire 'cause why not. Not going to be rolling much on the PCGF at this rate, but eh, I've got AIsis now, I'm pretty much set. 'Twould be nice if we'd get resist latent coin dungeons before all the teams we're using fall out of favour in the meta...


I'm just confused as to why Raphael is out if her rows got her in.

Also, AThor was released last week with indigo coming around.

I suspect there's a rather large contingent of Facebook people that don't really follow JP content.

And I know we've got AThor, but he's useless without Saria to balance the team. Yuria's the other missing one I meant.


Plus no one you listed made the top 30.

That's not particularly relevant - people who have a lead they like already are probably going to vote for the subs they're missing, and when you've got one lead slot and four subs...

The other part of it probably has something to do with her being in the first pantheon listed on the voting page. I really think the voting setup they use in JP (blind, and with tiered dropdown menus for the selection) is better for this sort of thing, even if it provides less entertainment to the public. :smalltongue:

[Quietus]

Urgh. Challenge ten is tough. Getting past Satan with level 1 cards? Crazy hard. Even with a well plussed Bastet team on my tablet, seven combos, skill use, and two green TPA's, I only pulled away two thirds of his HP. The fact that I blew four million damage from level 1 cards on turn 1 is pretty cool, though, I guess.

[Sallera]

Satan's the easy part. :smalltongue: Athena into Goemon is the real challenge, although if you have a Susanoo on there, it'd be less troublesome.

[Quietus]

Satan's the easy part. :smalltongue: Athena into Goemon is the real challenge, although if you have a Susanoo on there, it'd be less troublesome.

Sadly, I do not have Susanoo. My "perfect" game plan would be to make it through Satan by way of Gilliam, with the option to stall via Bastet to make him null buffs. Meimei and GZL in some combination to get past Zeus Stratios and Beelzebub, and drop Liu Bei for Athena - once I get to her, I should have enough levels on the team that a seven combo, three TPA green board will put out 8 million damage. By the time Goemon comes up, I should have Gilliam and my Bastets back, particularly after Meimei. I'm completely willing to spend a stone to survive the pre-emptive, if my actives are timed up well.

::Edit:: Wow. They've announced stats on ult Nephthys and Awoken Astaroth. And they are both just super lame. Nephthys continues to be 3x lead, just adds two dark OE, one heart OE, and a skill lock resist, and can skill up two more times. Awoken Astaroth... still has a 7 max cooldown, skill is the same as it was before but changes poison and jammers. And her awakenings are on par with the Archangel super ults. Worse yet, she's a 3x attack leader for matching six orbs, with some unmentioned HP/Atk multiplier for Devils and Healers. This does NOT feel like an Awoken form, I really hope Japan raises enough of a stink to make this better.

[Mystic Muse]

Is it just me, or does the 'improvement' to Dark Metatron's ability sound more like a nerf? Or am I just missing something due to being sleep deprived?

Also, kinda weird they didn't hit Chibitron too.

[obryn]

Is it just me, or does the 'improvement' to Dark Metatron's ability sound more like a nerf? Or am I just missing something due to being sleep deprived?

Also, kinda weird they didn't hit Chibitron too.
Yeah, it's actually a substantial upgrade. :smallbiggrin:

[Mystic Muse]

Yeah, it's actually a substantial upgrade. :smallbiggrin:

Huh, alright. The way it's phrased makes it sound bad for some reason. Then again, I don't know the full details, due to only having a chibitron, not a full on dark metatron.

[obryn]

Huh, alright. The way it's phrased makes it sound bad for some reason. Then again, I don't know the full details, due to only having a chibitron, not a full on dark metatron.
The main perk is that the HP-based ATK bonus works on any monster, not just God/Attacker. So that opens up the whole field of Dark monsters to him, which is awesome.

[Sallera]

Is it just me, or does the 'improvement' to Dark Metatron's ability sound more like a nerf? Or am I just missing something due to being sleep deprived?

Also, kinda weird they didn't hit Chibitron too.

In addition to what obryn said, they also increased the max attack multiplier to x5.4 (since the static bonus stacks multiplicatively with the hp-based one).


Sadly, I do not have Susanoo. My "perfect" game plan would be to make it through Satan by way of Gilliam, with the option to stall via Bastet to make him null buffs. Meimei and GZL in some combination to get past Zeus Stratios and Beelzebub, and drop Liu Bei for Athena - once I get to her, I should have enough levels on the team that a seven combo, three TPA green board will put out 8 million damage. By the time Goemon comes up, I should have Gilliam and my Bastets back, particularly after Meimei. I'm completely willing to spend a stone to survive the preemptive.

Oh, stoning the preemptive, I see. He's got resolve, though; you'll have to take at least one more hit even if you aim perfectly, and that could easily be another 25k.

Also, favourites button! I've been missing that every other time I switch, it's so convenient.

[Quietus]

In addition to what obryn said, they also increased the max attack multiplier to x5.4 (since the static bonus stacks multiplicatively with the hp-based one).



Oh, stoning the preemptive, I see. He's got resolve, though; you'll have to take at least one more hit even if you aim perfectly, and that could easily be another 25k.

Also, favourites button! I've been missing that every other time I switch, it's so convenient.

Mm, true. Honestly, though, I think I'd be willing to stone twice for +30 HP. Then again, that's effectively paying 400 stamina for those 30 HP, I think I might be able to get 30+ from Starlight Sanctuary off of that much stamina. Maybe this isn't such a great idea.

I didn't catch the favorites button, what's that do?

::Edit:: Oh, it's just in the check card screen. That's neat, makes it easier to ditch cards you've favorited(sp?) if you want to get rid of them.

[Fax Celestis]

Mm, true. Honestly, though, I think I'd be willing to stone twice for +30 HP. Then again, that's effectively paying 400 stamina for those 30 HP, I think I might be able to get 30+ from Starlight Sanctuary off of that much stamina. Maybe this isn't such a great idea.

I didn't catch the favorites button, what's that do?

::Edit:: Oh, it's just in the check card screen. That's neat, makes it easier to ditch cards you've favorited(sp?) if you want to get rid of them.

Or, say, protect piis until you want to use them.

[Sallera]

Hm. Farm a set of attack latents for DKali or Kanna, or roll once on the PCGF?

[Fax Celestis]

Hm. Farm a set of attack latents for DKali or Kanna, or roll once on the PCGF?

How much of the top 30 do you have?

[Sallera]

Good question. Only ten of them, apparently; perhaps seven or eight of the remaining twenty have obvious uses for me.

[Otravyat]

Alright. I've cleared through C8, and not sure that I can handle C9 or C10. My U&Y team is theoretically capable of C9, but I'm just not sure how many attempts it would take me.

[Fleeing Coward]

Well, Gungho's just lost me as a paying customer until they create something I really want. As an overseas player, the latest update to "adjust" prices means about a $13 price rise per 85 pack since it now costs 7400 yen instead of the 6100 yen I was paying per pack.

[Quietus]

Well, Gungho's just lost me as a paying customer until they create something I really want. As an overseas player, the latest update to "adjust" prices means about a $13 price rise per 85 pack since it now costs 7400 yen instead of the 6100 yen I was paying per pack.

Is that after you consider that the displayed prices now include tax?

::Edit:: Slow end of the day, so I've compiled a wish list of what I want out of the PCGF for each account. Interestingly, if Blodin truly is out, I'm okay with that as I don't need him for either device. I'm just a little put out because my girlfriend wanted to get either him or I&I, that B/D would be really nice for some of her teams. Also because even if I got him, he's a good MP boost.


DKali
LKali
Kanna
Rodin
Haku
Satsuki
Kaede
Meimei
Vishnu
Isis
Indra


DKali
LKali
Kanna
Rodin
Ra
Susano
Kushinadahime
Haku
Satsuki
Kagutsuchi
Kaede
Meimei
Idunn&Idunna
Vishnu
Indra
Cao Cao

[Fleeing Coward]

Is that after you consider that the displayed prices now include tax?

::Edit:: Slow end of the day, so I've compiled a wish list of what I want out of the PCGF for each account. Interestingly, if Blodin truly is out, I'm okay with that as I don't need him for either device. I'm just a little put out because my girlfriend wanted to get either him or I&I, that B/D would be really nice for some of her teams. Also because even if I got him, he's a good MP boost.


DKali
LKali
Kanna
Rodin
Haku
Satsuki
Kaede
Meimei
Vishnu
Isis
Indra


DKali
LKali
Kanna
Rodin
Ra
Susano
Kushinadahime
Haku
Satsuki
Kagutsuchi
Kaede
Meimei
Idunn&Idunna
Vishnu
Indra
Cao Cao

The price I mentioned is the actual price I'm charged. Since PAD isn't actually out in my region, I've always been charged in Yen which is paid through paypal where they convert it to AUD so the actual price varied between $70 and $75 depending on the exchange rate that day.
Pre change, at 85 yen per 1 aud, I was paying $72 per 85, now that'd cost me $85 per 85.

I'm definitely not rolling the PCGF especially after the price hike since I only need 3 of the chosen ones and 2 are 6 stars.

[137beth]

550 days of PAD! The five-stone bonus is nice for one extra PCGF roll....

I'm dissapointed Blodin didn't make it. It's rather impressive that he has managed to remain near the top of my wishlist for the entirety of my time playing PAD--most monsters I don't have rise or fall in relative value as I pull other cards and new monsters are released and old ones buffed, but Blodin would still be good for me and I still don't have it....
Oh well. Of the top 30, the monsters I DON'T have are:
1. Goddess of Power, Kali
2. Yomi
3. Sun Dragon Caller, Kanna
4. Bastet
5. Incarnation of Kirin, Sakuya
6. Phantom God, Odin
7. Ra
8. Susano
9. Sun Quan
10. Okuninushi
11. Lie Bei
12. Incarnation of Byakko, Haku
13. Kagutsuchi
14. The Norn Verdandi
15. Pandora
16. Jasper Dragon Caller, Kaede
17. Akechi Mitsuhide
18. Vishnu
19. Isis
20. Indra

Some I already have duplicates of (I have two Venuses, Two I&Is, and two Meimeis).

Of those I don't have, Sun Quan is probably my top choice, but I'd be happy getting any of them. I'm not so excited about Kirin, though, since I already have a bunch of similar leaders.

[Sallera]

Well, I decided to try and farm the attack latents, but after getting only three in forty runs, I do wonder if I mightn't have been better off with the roll.

[Quietus]

550 days of PAD! The five-stone bonus is nice for one extra PCGF roll....

I'm dissapointed Blodin didn't make it. It's rather impressive that he has managed to remain near the top of my wishlist for the entirety of my time playing PAD--most monsters I don't have rise or fall in relative value as I pull other cards and new monsters are released and old ones buffed, but Blodin would still be good for me and I still don't have it....

Of those I don't have, Sun Quan is probably my top choice, but I'd be happy getting any of them. I'm not so excited about Kirin, though, since I already have a bunch of similar leaders.

I can say, of the things I listed (which I shouldn't have included LKali on the phone, there's no reason to have more than three maxed out), I'm most excited about... I'd say Dkali, Isis, Indra are the top picks, so I can justify buying Ra Dragon. Rodin, Kaede, and Vishnu follow that pretty closely, and the rest are largely "I'd really like to have this for no particular reason" cards.

For the phone tablet (it's late)... LKali is a top pick, to have a second for my Sakuya team. So is Susano, for both Sakuya and occasional Bastet. Kushi is a really nice option if I don't pick up Susano, and Kagutsuchi/Cao Cao are on there for Shiva purposes. Basically, I have a desire for Susano as an occasional Bastet sub, and then I'm just fishing for things to round out other teams that serve roles other than Bastet. I'd also really like to pick up blue valk to round out my Isis team, but we'll see how that goes.

[Otravyat]

Well I took out challenge 9 but it took me 2 stones, both from just not having light orbs on the boss. Had skills up too one shot him if I had light and dark, but couldn't get those in a couple turns and died so I stoned once, didn't get all colors again. Cleared a bunch, didn't get the orbs, and died again. Stoned, got the orbs, and one shotted him. No way I can do 10 though.

I am looking at probably no more than 3 rolls on the PCGF. I would have had 4-5 but I used quite a few stones today.

[Quietus]

Well I took out challenge 9 but it took me 2 stones, both from just not having light orbs on the boss. Had skills up too one shot him if I had light and dark, but couldn't get those in a couple turns and died so I stoned once, didn't get all colors again. Cleared a bunch, didn't get the orbs, and died again. Stoned, got the orbs, and one shotted him. No way I can do 10 though.

I am looking at probably no more than 3 rolls on the PCGF. I would have had 4-5 but I used quite a few stones today.

Oof, that hurts. I'm going to have quite a few, but that's from saving every stone I've gained over the last two months. I've been trying to work on getting my nephew several rolls, he's up to 17 stones because I was able to finish some Special dungeons (Evangelion, etc) that required more skill than he had available. Of course, now it's Thursday dungeon, and he loves to dump stones into continues trying to get red dragon fruits, so we'll see how long that survives.

[Otravyat]

Oof, that hurts. I'm going to have quite a few, but that's from saving every stone I've gained over the last two months. I've been trying to work on getting my nephew several rolls, he's up to 17 stones because I was able to finish some Special dungeons (Evangelion, etc) that required more skill than he had available. Of course, now it's Thursday dungeon, and he loves to dump stones into continues trying to get red dragon fruits, so we'll see how long that survives.

Yeah I've dumped a lot of stones into failing stuff like zaerog this month. Been pretty cavalier with them.

[Quietus]

Yeah I've dumped a lot of stones into failing stuff like zaerog this month. Been pretty cavalier with them.

Zaerog is one place I will allow myself to piss away stones; or at least, was. Now that I have one max skilled, I still intend to get the second, but I don't think I'm going to push quite as hard for it. I'll still dump every shred of stamina I have into him, but gone are the days where I leak stones like a bucket someone just punched a hole into. For now. :smalltongue:

[Otravyat]

Zaerog is one place I will allow myself to piss away stones; or at least, was. Now that I have one max skilled, I still intend to get the second, but I don't think I'm going to push quite as hard for it. I'll still dump every shred of stamina I have into him, but gone are the days where I leak stones like a bucket someone just punched a hole into. For now. :smalltongue:

Yep that's basically what I do. And I don't even have mine fully pre awoken yet, let alone skilled up. I really need a more consistent team for Z8, and/or I need to be better about planning and using dawnglare for floor 9 to hit 6 combos with no time.

[Quietus]

Yep that's basically what I do. And I don't even have mine fully pre awoken yet, let alone skilled up. I really need a more consistent team for Z8, and/or I need to be better about planning and using dawnglare for floor 9 to hit 6 combos with no time.

Consistency is really the big thing, there. I'm ... maybe 50%? Using phone's Bastet team. Not ideal, but as I said, I was leaking stones to get through anyway. I've just had ridiculous luck skilling him up. Dawnglare is a huge help, though. The number of times that site's saved my bacon is huge.

[Otravyat]

Consistency is really the big thing, there. I'm ... maybe 50%? Using phone's Bastet team. Not ideal, but as I said, I was leaking stones to get through anyway. I've just had ridiculous luck skilling him up. Dawnglare is a huge help, though. The number of times that site's saved my bacon is huge.

Yeah I'm around 40% or so when I'm really concentrating using LKali. Im thinking of trying ASakuya this time around, but the Kali actives just give me such consistency.

[Quietus]

Yeah I'm around 40% or so when I'm really concentrating using LKali. Im thinking of trying ASakuya this time around, but the Kali actives just give me such consistency.

I haven't tried using Kali... I actually feel a little awkward on my phone, because I'd been concentrating to such a crazy degree on raising LKali team, and now I'm shifting to A.Ra/A.Sakuya/Bastet, in no particular order. So now most of my teams, except the Kalis themselves on the two Light teams, are unplussed. Yet they're still comparable, if not straight up superior, to my old LKali runs.

[Feistylady]

Anyone have a good rather simple team for cave of dreaming mythical.

[Otravyat]

I haven't tried using Kali... I actually feel a little awkward on my phone, because I'd been concentrating to such a crazy degree on raising LKali team, and now I'm shifting to A.Ra/A.Sakuya/Bastet, in no particular order. So now most of my teams, except the Kalis themselves on the two Light teams, are unplussed. Yet they're still comparable, if not straight up superior, to my old LKali runs.

This is the only thing I lead Kali for, I just find that the actives are invaluable when at low levels and you CANT take a hit. If I had two Kali's myself I'd lead Sakuya with both of them, but as it stands I want the two Kali actives and can't get that without leading her. The light attribute also leans me towards her instead of my more plus'd U&Y. Although with the new uvo I can probably try that again.

In general, I've been splitting my "competitive" runs between AYomi, ASakuya, and U&Y. U&Y had been getting phased out (still plussing his team though, for that eventual Awoken Form and loyalty), but the new UVO has given his damage a nice boost, and I've been clearing stuff I never would have before. For farming I just use Skuld unless I feel like playing around with a combo lead.

[Fleeing Coward]

So, I think I'm going to really not roll at all for a whole Godfest this time since the 2 new dragoncallers don't intereat me with their two wasted awakenings. Now I just need to convince myself I can actually pull that off :smalltongue:

[TeChameleon]

Blargh. Here's hoping that the... maybe three rolls I'm going to be able to manage can net me a Sun Quan, since that's honestly the only one I really, really want at this stage.

... of course, I wouldn't say no to a Rodin :smalltongue:

Or a lot of the others, really. But Sun Quan is the one I'm gunning for.

[Mystic Muse]

Fist of the North Star Collab back.

Well...Skillups for Goetia anyway? That's the only thing I see myself getting out of that.

[Anarion]

Oh look, art for ult blonia and gronia. It's like they knew Obryn was selling off for monster points. :smalltongue:

[Quietus]

Oh look, art for ult blonia and gronia. It's like they knew Obryn was selling off for monster points. :smalltongue:

I KNOW. I just made a high pitched noise that hurt my throat. .... Gronia has a bow now? :smallconfused: I LOVE Blonia's new armor!

[Mystic Muse]

Does anyone have a link to these new arts?

[Sallera]

Still don't regret selling a Blonia. :smalltongue:

News links (https://nw.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/search?q=flair%3A'2'&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all#nw) for the art. (I'd grab the images themselves, but I'm on mobile at the moment.)

Oh, and x3 skillups just hit JP. Not sure whether to be surprised or not.

[Quietus]

Still don't regret selling a Blonia. :smalltongue:

News links (https://nw.reddit.com/r/PuzzleAndDragons/search?q=flair%3A'2'&restrict_sr=on&sort=new&t=all#nw) for the art. (I'd grab the images themselves, but I'm on mobile at the moment.)

Oh, and x3 skillups just hit JP. Not sure whether to be surprised or not.

BUT SHE'S SO PRETTY. I really do love her new art. I'll definitely be evolving both of mine, unless they're just pathetic... and even then I might. Hypermax Gronia, she's my baby.

Link to PDX art : http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/news.asp?nid=434

[Fax Celestis]

Bonia took me through a lot so I'll probably do the same. Looks like Ilsix behind Bonia and Threedia behind Gronia?


So, I think I'm going to really not roll at all for a whole Godfest this time since the 2 new dragoncallers don't intereat me with their two wasted awakenings. Now I just need to convince myself I can actually pull that off :smalltongue:

What wasted awakenings do you mean? I hope you're not talking about heart OEs.

[Sallera]

BUT SHE'S SO PRETTY. I really do love her new art.

True enough. It does actually look quite nice, unlike the old Sonia art.

[Jurai]

So, question: I already have a dream for Ryune, but Saria I don't have any idea what kind of sub she'd make, or would teams be built with her as a lead?

[Sallera]

So, question: I already have a dream for Ryune, but Saria I don't have any idea what kind of sub she'd make, or would teams be built with her as a lead?

Good Ilm or Wukong sub. As a lead, pair with an AThor friend, use subs like Ilm, Wukong, DQ, uuvo Raphael, Venus.

[Jurai]

My plan for Ryune is: RDH Liu Bei lead|Fierce Warrior, Sanada Yukimura/Blue Dragonbound, Ryune/Trance Zidane/Knight of Dawn, Wol|AShiva or RDH Liu Bei. That's a total of 8 TPAs before Friend Lead, which ramps it up to 10 or 11, depending on which Friend Lead I use. And with appropriate teams, that's a lotta combo.

[Quietus]

Bonia took me through a lot so I'll probably do the same. Looks like Ilsix behind Bonia and Threedia behind Gronia?

That`s what I'm seeing. Would be nicer to see a Threedia closer to what's on his actual card, but still very cool.


True enough. It does actually look quite nice, unlike the old Sonia art.

I liked the old Gronia! But then, as noted, she's my baby. She was my starter REM pull, and the ability to run a dragon team was what got me into this game. I love the idea of Gronia with a bow, I just hope that the stats she gets feel like they fit her new art.

[obryn]

Oh look, art for ult blonia and gronia. It's like they knew Obryn was selling off for monster points. :smalltongue:
She'll still be terrible, no worries. :)

[Fleeing Coward]

What wasted awakenings do you mean? I hope you're not talking about heart OEs.

One on Saria (Row), two on Ryune (Rows or TPAs). Some may call it flexible, I see it as hindering their potential to be truly great in either.

Looking forward to seeing how Gronia turns out purely cause she's green, not interested in Blonia for the same reason (I just don't like blue teams).

[Fax Celestis]

Don't forget the 5 stones for $1 is today.

[137beth]

Hurray, I've barely even started using my Blonia and she's already being buffed! Of course with all these new special dungeons that have you level up based on rarity a small boost might not be worth the increase (although seven stars is already pretty high for the "start at level 1" dungeons).

The real question is whether she will be a better leader than Awoken I&I. Without a boost to her leader skill, I doubt it, but she can still be a better sub.

[Mystic Muse]

Just one dragon fruit, and I can ult evo Siegfried. I could even ult him now, but I've been told the B/L one is worse than B/R.

[Sallera]

Yeah, it's not really worse, per se, but for Karin specifically, B/R is better as it has higher attack and the extra awakening on B/L doesn't do much for you. (The difference is pretty minor, either way.)

[Mystic Muse]

I'm just anmoyed I have to either wait until Thursday, or get really lucky with Tower to the Sky.

[Feistylady]

Ready to level the next red player. Cao cao or kagutsachi or Freyr. I guess awoken Hera is in the mix too. What u think ? I'm just doing the daily specials levelling up till I get my level up
High enuf to add Rodin to my red team and replace gigas that is my goal

[Sallera]

Cao Cao has the most immediate use of that lot. Kagu is very good once you get his Awoken form, but mediocre before that.

[Fax Celestis]

Anyone else planning to do the new guerilla dungeon today?

[Mystic Muse]

Anyone else planning to do the new guerilla dungeon today?

I don't believe I'm capable of handling it.

[Samuel Sturm]

Anyone else planning to do the new guerilla dungeon today?

I'm running it for the stone, but that's it. From what I hear, the drop rates are low enough that it isn't worth the stamina to farm.

[Anarion]

I'm running it for the stone, but that's it. From what I hear, the drop rates are low enough that it isn't worth the stamina to farm.

My plan as well. I don't need any specific thing atm (except the constant need for rainbow keepers), but it should be fun to run it and I like that it makes jewels available.

[Mystic Muse]

Well, Goetia is almost high enough to evolve. I know she's not good, but I want her evolved anyway, I think she looks neat.

[Otravyat]

Careless fail on the 99 stamina new dungeon for me. Wouldn't be tough to clear, but I was on autopilot and didn't realize that unicorn absorbed 200k+. I hate that mechanic.

[Fleeing Coward]

I got Kraken on both difficulties, bound my whole team. Fortunately, the damage from it isn't as high as some challenge versions of it so I survived fine running Verdandi.
Legend actually gave me more than Mythical - Light Jewel + Cuaton in Legend, just a Cuaton in Mythical.

[137beth]

I have 73 stones. If I can beat one more coin dungeon or one of the new technical dungeons tomorrow, then with the free stone giveaway I'll have 75, enough for 15 PCGF pulls. I probaby won't make 15 pulls, though, as I think I'm going to increase my box capacity (currently at 500). Storing descend bosses to use as evo material is eating up more box space than the easily-famrable dublits did.

[Mystic Muse]

I got a Curbed brade blave Kopis, and Wood Wizard Leeza.

[TeChameleon]

Wellp, made a couple of attempts at the PCGF, got Mochizuki Chiyome (yay?) and Susano (slightly more definite yay). Honestly not entirely sure what to think about all that, since... well, yeah. Never even realized Mochietc. was a thing before this point :/

[flare'90]

I, uhh...., rolled Kaede and 2 Vishnus in a row. Green team yay or nay?

[Otravyat]

Four rolls.

Vishnu
Kushi
Isis (dupe)
Kagatsuchi

I'm super happy with all the non dupes. Probably only use Kushi immediately, but I'm sure they will all have a roll eventually.

[Jurai]

I pulled twice: Frost-fanged CyberBeast Alfecca and Double-edged Brave Blade Claymore. AAS;LGQAHDSRVNFUCSNLYFIWUXEHDNVYGRAEDCFUKAhnoxfdui dshnyicfhoidcfhYUSGDHuiisdbnfvuisdkrufyglhedcvuibl iIUIuhyih;aidvbliuadsbl!!!! WHY?

[Fax Celestis]

Godfest results!

Mori Motonari+ (Urd is pleased)
Fuu (one of two sticker girls I'm missing and probably the most broadly useful one)
Alfecca+ (Nut/Sarasvati/Sumire are pleased)
Salamander+ (probably just sell this one)
Strawberry Dragon (probably sell this one too)
Ruka+ (had this one but I like the sticker girls)
Kanna (oh f yes)

[Jurai]

Man... I get an icy robot elephant and the Double Blue Attacker that every-freakin'-body has. I have enough Blue Physical creatures to drown the world, BUT NOTHING FOR SUCH A TEAM TO REALLY ROCK! RADA RADA RADA!

[137beth]

PCGF REM pulls:

1. Freyja (duplicate)
2. Incarnation of Seiryuu, Karin
3. Blue Dragonbound, Ryune
4. Venus (my third one):smallsigh: I use Awoken Venus fairly often, but I have yet to use two Venuses at once, and don't have much use for the other forms.
5. Lakshmi
6. Hatsume no Tsubone---I kept seeing teams on PDX for which I had everything but this one. Now I have this too....
7. Yomi (!)
8. Abyssal CyberDragon, Sadalmelik---Hrmph, not so impressive, especially considering how many better water subs I already have.
9. Andromeda (duplicate)
A couple months ago I could have seen myself putting two Andromeda subs on a team for the skill-bind resistance while avoiding having to use Andromeda's leader skill. But now, with Awoken I&I approaching with a much easier leader skill, I could just use double AI&I leads and one Andromeda sub (or super U&Y, or any other sub with skill-bind resist).
And my final REM pull for this even:
10. Dark Courier Kurone---well that was anticlimactic. Though it is my first Kurone, so I suppose it's better than a fourth Fuu.

Lifetime (normal) REM pulls: 120

[Quietus]

Godfest results!

Phone :
Vishnu x2
Indra (!!)
Gamble Mage
Ryune
Satsuki
Masamune
Griffin Rider
Liu Bei #2
Meimei #2
Cerberus Rider
Alfecca
Saria
Shiva #3 (MP) and a couple other MP fodder I can't remember

Was hoping for Isis and Indra together, but this could lead to a crazy Bastet team. Flex/Meimei/Vishnu/Vishnu? Flex can be the GZL I already use, or Griffin Rider, or Meimei #2. Double Meimei/Double Vishnu would be pretty crazy. Leaves me low on RCV, though, since none of them would be plussed.

Tablet :
Exa-Hydra
Kaede
Kagutsuchi
Fuu
Guivere Chimera
Haku
Mitsuki
Liu Bei
Akechi
Grimrock
Basilisk
Dark Dragon Swordsman
3 MP fodder (Isis #2, Yomi #2, dupe Exa-Hydra)

Wasn't exactly sure what I was looking for here. Not sure I got what I wanted,either, but I can probably use some of this dark stuff for A.Yomi. Already had a Satsuki, so I could go something like Satsuki/Haku/Z8/Akechi in between a pair of Yomi. Maybe replace Akechi with another Z8... if I can skill up two of them. I currently have only one, and it's not skilled at all. This is definitely a long term project. Kaede and Liu Bei would be really nice for Bastet team, but I'm already pretty ideal there as it is. Maybe use Kaede to hit Light in all-attribute dungeons, instead of Grodin? We'll see. Kagutsuchi definitely has a spot on my Shiva team, really wish I'd managed to pick up Cao Cao though.

Actually, now I'm wondering if I should have kept Yomi #2, and used her on the Yomi team. Three additional time extends is definitely a thing. She doesn't really bring anything I need in terms of active, though.

::Edit:: MUAHAHAHAHA. Descended Challenge starting tomorrow, featuring Z8 in the final dungeon! Delicious. (if only I didn't have to get so many new evo materials...)

[TeChameleon]

So, my attempts at the godfest, including my first (and probably last, unless they run the 5 Stones for 99 cents thing again) IAP:

Mochizuki Chiyome
Kurone
Kraken Rider
Susano (well, at least it wasn't a total loss)

Final tally: Four pulls, ONE actual godfest monster. And he doesn't really mesh with any of the teams I've got at the moment. Really, Gungtroll? Really?!? And... Kurone? Seriously? I'm pretty sure I already had and discarded her before.

Argleblargle... are any of these (aside from Susano, obviously) of even the slightest use?

[Otravyat]

::Edit:: MUAHAHAHAHA. Descended Challenge starting tomorrow, featuring Z8 in the final dungeon! Delicious. (if only I didn't have to get so many new evo materials...)

Oh that's sweet. Plus the rewards for the last three are +50 tamadras.

I love them throwing us 150 pluses, but I do miss the piis from old descended challenges.

[Quietus]

So, my attempts at the godfest, including my first (and probably last, unless they run the 5 Stones for 99 cents thing again) IAP:

Mochizuki Chiyome
Kurone
Kraken Rider
Susano (well, at least it wasn't a total loss)

Final tally: Four pulls, ONE actual godfest monster. And he doesn't really mesh with any of the teams I've got at the moment. Really, Gungtroll? Really?!? And... Kurone? Seriously? I'm pretty sure I already had and discarded her before.

Argleblargle... are any of these (aside from Susano, obviously) of even the slightest use?

Chiyome is pretty good for some red teams. She's a fairly easy to skill up fast orb changer, who gets a row and a prong when maxed out, if memory serves? Versatile. Kraken Rider is meh, Kurone.. yeah. But Susano is a win. Overall that isn't a bad set of four; I think I heard somewhere that when rolling on a Godfest, you can expect roughly one really good monster for every 8 pulls. You got one fantastic and one that falls between okay and good in four.


Oh that's sweet. Plus the rewards for the last three are +50 tamadras.

I love them throwing us 150 pluses, but I do miss the piis from old descended challenges.

... I missed that they were +50! Even better! Yeah, Piis are nice. I'm gaining a lot of things that need skilling up. That being said, I'm not going to complain with that many plus, either. Assuming the rewards stick, since it does not that they're unconfirmed.

::Edit:: If those are truly +50, then I know my plan. Get all three, plus the +36's I have for HP, Attack, and RCV on the phone, and add them (along with one of each stat +1) to my +36 DKali. Hypermax ahoy! .. Or maybe I'll do that with one of my newer leads, A.Ra/A.Sakuya, I should have enough + to get them near to hypermax, too. Hm.

[Fax Celestis]

Kurone is fantastic for Typhon teams.

[Otravyat]

One last pull: Famiel!!!

As a U&Y person this is fantastic. The new uvo with unbindable light attribute and triple TPA is beautiful. I'm going to have to make a decision here. Famiel immediately replaced LKali on my U&Y team... And so, which do I plus first? Famiel to finish that team or Kali who sees play there and on Sakuya.

[Fleeing Coward]

Should I buy Yomi Dragon? I have 700k MP so even if I buy it, I'd still have enough MP if something amazing pops up for Christmas. The problem is I barely use the Shivadra I bought and I think I probably won't used Yomidra anytime soon either if I bought it since I'm devoting my full attention to Radra atm.

Edit: Even though I'm not rolling on my phone this Godfest, had enough saved up on my tablet for 4 rolls:
Cao Cao
Sarasvati
Indra
3K MP

[Quietus]

Should I buy Yomi Dragon? I have 700k MP so even if I buy it, I'd still have enough MP if something amazing pops up for Christmas. The problem is I barely use the Shivadra I bought and I think I probably won't used Yomidra anytime soon either if I bought it since I'm devoting my full attention to Radra atm.

Edit: Even though I'm not rolling on my phone this Godfest, had enough saved up on my tablet for 4 rolls:
Cao Cao
Sarasvati
Indra
3K MP

Nice rolls! I would specifically look at what team you could build for Yomidra, and work around that. Do you have the makings of an idea team for it, and does it fill a hole in the teams you can field? If so, it could be worthwhile. If not, then hold off - if you change your mind, Yomidra will come around again later.

[Mystic Muse]

Just got Idunn & Idunna. What's so great about them? Just curious, since I'd like to know what use they have.

It seems she's also going to be freaking hard to get ult evo'd.

Also, does anybody know of any Attacker only teams for Zhou Yu? Just need something I can theoretically build up to.

In terms of Attackers I have Mysterious Guest Laila, Wood Wizard Leeza, Cloud, and Curved Blade Brave, Kopis. I also have a King Flamie (Building a Rowdy Red Goblin team for Tengu, since that's apparently capable of taking it down.)

[Samuel Sturm]

Just got Idunn & Idunna. What's so great about them? Just curious, since I'd like to know what use they have.

It seems she's also going to be freaking hard to get ult evo'd.



I&I's B/L Evo makes a good lead for a healer farm team, though I had a strong REM sub selection to fill it. B/D looks like a decent tank lead, with possibilities for rows or prongs. Probably better to go hybrid, with a preference for rows. Set her up with a board change for the boss burst. Blue usually doesn't have a problem with having enough HP, so that's all three attributes covered, important for a tank team.

Her awoken form shouldn't actually be that bad. Aegir's dungeon is a 7x6, and isn't one of the harder ones, by my semi-amateur viewpoint.

[Mystic Muse]

It's more the 3 devilits required for Hera that seem like they'll be quite annoying to get.

[obryn]

Hey all!

I've been in sicky-sick land instead of happy turkey land for the past few days, but I am back. :smallsmile:

I only took 5 godfest rolls, and only the last was anything good for me - the new Orange Dragonbound. And by 'good' I mean mostly 'not a duplicate.'

I am excited about the Z8 Descend, but terrified of Yamato Rush. I hate that dungeon, y'all.

[obryn]

Should I buy Yomi Dragon? I have 700k MP so even if I buy it, I'd still have enough MP if something amazing pops up for Christmas. The problem is I barely use the Shivadra I bought and I think I probably won't used Yomidra anytime soon either if I bought it since I'm devoting my full attention to Radra atm.

Edit: Even though I'm not rolling on my phone this Godfest, had enough saved up on my tablet for 4 rolls:
Cao Cao
Sarasvati
Indra
3K MP
Well, it all depends. Yomidra and Shivadog are both great 5x4 leaders. Yomidra is a fantastic Dark sub in addition to being a great lead, though.

On the other hand, it's not like GH is going to cut down on the power creep, eh? :smallbiggrin:

[Sallera]

Yeah, I never got around to clearing Yamato Rush, so I guess it's time to get it down.

Dupe Kagu and Venus for me. Making AVenus just because, but don't anticipate any use for her.

[Quietus]

I've wasted 150 phone stamina on Zaerog so far, for stupid reasons. Hoping that I can get that dealt with, because that's a hot load of garbage. Hopefully my tablet has better luck; I imagine it must, since it's carrying far more plusses. For now... :smallamused:

[obryn]

Yeah, I never got around to clearing Yamato Rush, so I guess it's time to get it down.

Dupe Kagu and Venus for me. Making AVenus just because, but don't anticipate any use for her.
I also got a Venus, making it my 3rd. That was an easy 5k MP.

[Fax Celestis]

Saved one extra roll's worth of stones for today. Got another Mori Motonari.

Well, I guess Urd//Urd/Mori/Mori/Merlin//Urd could...be a thing. Yep, that's a thing all right. Just thinging all over the place.

[obryn]

Saved one extra roll's worth of stones for today. Got another Mori Motonari.
Beats my Red Riding Hood. :smalltongue:

[Samuel Sturm]

Things that I rolled that I care about:
Verdandi!
2 x Vishnu!
Thing that I don't really care about, but are supposed to be good:
Amaterasu
2 x ROdin
2 x Sun Quan
Famiel
Other stuff:
Depression. Bunch of dupes, stuff that would have been good a year ago. That sort of thing.

Anyone know what to do with a BValk dupe?

[Anarion]

Three rolls this time around:
Dupe Chrono Turtle :smallsigh:
Cao Cao #3 :smallsigh:
Neptune.

At least the last one was new. The rest are now shame points.

[obryn]

Anyone know what to do with a BValk dupe?
Probably sell, IMO. You seldom want more than one heartbreaker.

It's theoretically possible we'll get Awoken Valks where a dupe would be nice, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Otravyat]

Well, if anyone wants to try out a light rows team with raphael, etc., Yuria is now in the MP store as a 56x light row leader.

EDIT: On a completely different note, I hate my new phone case for PAD. My old case had a raised lip right around the screen, surrounding the home button, and my new one doesn't and just continues smooth until the bottom of the phone. Ever since I got it I've lost a dungeon every couple days from accidentally moving slightly off the bottom of the screen when I'm moving quick. Just died to Z8 when I had a guarantee'd kill set up (i was in the middle of the final combo).

[Mystic Muse]

I can't take the dungeon on until much later due to lacking the stamina anyway, but does anybody here have a sea deity abyss neptune? Trying one of the teams on the "Sample Teams" for the Heroes Hideout.

[Jasmine]

5 rolls, decent selection this time - I&I, Pandora, some kind of cyberdragon, Ra (?!) and another divinegon.

How is Ra play with 0 Kalis?

[Anarion]

How is Ra play with 0 Kalis?

As I understand it, the damage is always enough, so lacking the low cooldown make a perfect field for you actives, you just want to stack up defensive subs so that you can live as many turns and avoid as much disruption as possible, since you only need one good field to kill pretty much anything.

edit: Though I should note due to my distribution of plusses and stamina uses, I'm continuing to use Shiva even though I'm developing a Ra (dragon) team. I'll still need considerable experience, tamadra, and plusses before it overtakes Shiva.

[obryn]

How is Ra play with 0 Kalis?
Well, you do have a Chocobo. :smallbiggrin:

[Otravyat]

So where do other people usually die when farming Z8? I've been using ASakuya for it this morning, and actually find that I've been dying most to the stupid super kings, which feel like they should be trivial. If I get to them without Kali up, missing orbs is just an instant death. Every other floor I can make something work without dying instantly if I don't have my orbs.

That said, I'm 3 of 4 today while taking my time and really focusing, and 0 for 4 when I've been impatient and trying to play quick. Guess it makes a difference...

[Anarion]

So where do other people usually die when farming Z8? I've been using ASakuya for it this morning, and actually find that I've been dying most to the stupid super kings, which feel like they should be trivial. If I get to them without Kali up, missing orbs is just an instant death. Every other floor I can make something work without dying instantly if I don't have my orbs.

That said, I'm 3 of 4 today while taking my time and really focusing, and 0 for 4 when I've been impatient and trying to play quick. Guess it makes a difference...

I've mostly failed Shiva against first form Z8. The time extends from the Shiva bookends are the only ones I'm running, so when he reduces time on the second round, I find it really hard to hit 6 combos consistently. The supers can be annoying though, they sometimes waste an active from me if the board is bad.

[obryn]

So where do other people usually die when farming Z8?
Honestly, I don't really die on it anymore now that I have my A.Ra strategy zeroed in. :smallsmile:

I can run through that if it's helpful?

[Quietus]

Honestly, I don't really die on it anymore now that I have my A.Ra strategy zeroed in. :smallsmile:

I can run through that if it's helpful?

I would like to hear it. Are you fully plussed?

[obryn]

I would like to hear it. Are you fully plussed?
My team's A.Ra/DKali/LKali/A.Susano/A.Isis/[A.Ra]. DKali and A.Ra are hypermax, and A.Isis is getting there. I could see an argument for replacing A.Susano with Genie, FYI, to cheese through Z8's first form. :smallbiggrin:

Stage 1 - Zap with Ra
Stage 2 - Totally manageable. Just puzzle at it for a while, try and kill some pengs, and eventually a x25 board will appear.
Stage 3 - Zap the 2 little ones with Ra. Stall on the big one. Get your Ra zaps back up. A x25 should kill him.
Stage 4 - Different pirates need different strategies. Some are stallable, some aren't. But a x25 will (probably) do. Use defensive subs as necessary.
Stage 5 - Ditto the above. Some are stallable, some aren't. Use skills as necessary. x25 is again probably enough, but feel free to use skills as necessary, because...
Stage 6 - Yay, more fairly easy stalling. Just hope for no early skyfalls.
Stage 7 - A.Ra zap. Don't mess around.
Stage 8 - If you're lucky enough to have left yourself with a Ra board after Stage 6, the zap from before will carry through for Ra's leader skill boost. x100 is more than adequate. :smallbiggrin: If not, use your judgment - a Kali is expendable here. Special Genie Note: Use Genie immediately before killing this round. Save an A.Ra blast for next round.
Stage 9 - Welp, puzzle hard. You should be able to clear this if you can Ra in the first place. If you have Genie, laugh for a while as Z8 tries to kill you. Ra Zap him afterwards.
Stage 10 - Super easy. Do a good attack on the first round, using A.Isis's skill. He'll waste his round removing her 15% shield. Kali. Destroy.

[Otravyat]

My team's A.Ra/DKali/LKali/A.Susano/A.Isis/[A.Ra]. DKali and A.Ra are hypermax, and A.Isis is getting there. I could see an argument for replacing A.Susano with Genie, FYI, to cheese through Z8's first form. :smallbiggrin:

Stage 1 - Zap with Ra
Stage 2 - Totally manageable. Just puzzle at it for a while, try and kill some pengs, and eventually a x25 board will appear.
Stage 3 - Zap the 2 little ones with Ra. Stall on the big one. Get your Ra zaps back up. A x25 should kill him.
Stage 4 - Different pirates need different strategies. Some are stallable, some aren't. But a x25 will (probably) do. Use defensive subs as necessary.
Stage 5 - Ditto the above. Some are stallable, some aren't. Use skills as necessary. x25 is again probably enough, but feel free to use skills as necessary, because...
Stage 6 - Yay, more fairly easy stalling. Just hope for no early skyfalls.
Stage 7 - A.Ra zap. Don't mess around.
Stage 8 - If you're lucky enough to have left yourself with a Ra board after Stage 6, the zap from before will carry through for Ra's leader skill boost. x100 is more than adequate. :smallbiggrin: If not, use your judgment - a Kali is expendable here. Special Genie Note: Use Genie immediately before killing this round. Save an A.Ra blast for next round.
Stage 9 - Welp, puzzle hard. You should be able to clear this if you can Ra in the first place. If you have Genie, laugh for a while as Z8 tries to kill you. Ra Zap him afterwards.
Stage 10 - Super easy. Do a good attack on the first round, using A.Isis's skill. He'll waste his round removing her 15% shield. Kali. Destroy.

See, stuff like this are why I wish I had the ability to Ra Zap things. :smallsmile:

I'm pretty much guaranteed to get up to floor 7. I die there if I had to use Kali earlier and don't have the appropriate colors. Maybe I should take out my apollo and plug in a delay to use here if I need it. Apollo doesn't get used much anyways, Valk and Kali are enough orb changers for me and I can stall earlier to make sure valk is back up if I have to use her floor one (light mass attack kills the seeds even without x25)

Ironically, Floors 8-10 have been 100% clear today, since I've been using dawnglare or just extensive planning on Floor 9.

[Anarion]

Kali. Destroy.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Fax Celestis]

Talk to me about Ilm and about Kanna. Kanna has obviously awesome applications, but I want to make sure that she's really as good as she looks at first glance. Ilm I heard a lot of rumbling about on reddit and I'm not sure why. It looks like a Chinese/Indian 2 hybrid.

[Quietus]

My team's A.Ra/DKali/LKali/A.Susano/A.Isis/[A.Ra]. DKali and A.Ra are hypermax, and A.Isis is getting there. I could see an argument for replacing A.Susano with Genie, FYI, to cheese through Z8's first form. :smallbiggrin:

Stage 1 - Zap with Ra
Stage 2 - Totally manageable. Just puzzle at it for a while, try and kill some pengs, and eventually a x25 board will appear.
Stage 3 - Zap the 2 little ones with Ra. Stall on the big one. Get your Ra zaps back up. A x25 should kill him.
Stage 4 - Different pirates need different strategies. Some are stallable, some aren't. But a x25 will (probably) do. Use defensive subs as necessary.
Stage 5 - Ditto the above. Some are stallable, some aren't. Use skills as necessary. x25 is again probably enough, but feel free to use skills as necessary, because...
Stage 6 - Yay, more fairly easy stalling. Just hope for no early skyfalls.
Stage 7 - A.Ra zap. Don't mess around.
Stage 8 - If you're lucky enough to have left yourself with a Ra board after Stage 6, the zap from before will carry through for Ra's leader skill boost. x100 is more than adequate. :smallbiggrin: If not, use your judgment - a Kali is expendable here. Special Genie Note: Use Genie immediately before killing this round. Save an A.Ra blast for next round.
Stage 9 - Welp, puzzle hard. You should be able to clear this if you can Ra in the first place. If you have Genie, laugh for a while as Z8 tries to kill you. Ra Zap him afterwards.
Stage 10 - Super easy. Do a good attack on the first round, using A.Isis's skill. He'll waste his round removing her 15% shield. Kali. Destroy.

I could field that, but I do not have Isis. She's the last big piece missing on my phone, right now. I'll have to put some thought into which blue cards I have that could take that spot, I've been using Orochi; not sure if I want to try just holding onto the 3-turn defense from Susano that long or not. I've also been considering using my Sakuya team, but I again fall into the same trap, where the only buff I've got is Susano. Lots of interesting options, though.

[Anarion]

Talk to me about Ilm and about Kanna. Kanna has obviously awesome applications, but I want to make sure that she's really as good as she looks at first glance. Ilm I heard a lot of rumbling about on reddit and I'm not sure why. It looks like a Chinese/Indian 2 hybrid.

Kanna is just an awesome sub across the board. 2x slime flexible for both gods and dragons with skill cooldown reduction and a reasonable cooldown of its own. Plus the body is a light 3PA with good base attack. Stick her on any light team with gods and dragons and watch her be your highest source of damage. She even has reasonable healing and skill bind resist to boot.

Ilm (and Zuoh for that matter) is near the upper end of possible multipliers as a leader, but it's really hard to have enough orbs around to turn him on consistently without using actives. Though if you do turn him on, it's going to do more than, say, Dkali because you're so focused on your correct damage type. The two new dragon callers that came out with this PCGF are great Ilm/Zuoh subs, as is anything that makes lots of on-color orbs on a short cooldown. Ninjas and Chinese gods that make correct colors jump out at me as possibilities. I don't really see Ilm/Zuoh as great subs though. The board change is strong but doesn't make healing (which can make it dangerous to use), and their stats and awakenings are definitely good but not best in slot.

[Sallera]

Talk to me about Ilm and about Kanna. Kanna has obviously awesome applications, but I want to make sure that she's really as good as she looks at first glance. Ilm I heard a lot of rumbling about on reddit and I'm not sure why. It looks like a Chinese/Indian 2 hybrid.

Given how ugly Kanna's art is, I'd say she's a lot better than she looks. :smalltongue: Really, though, she's pretty much one of the best slimes around, and can seamlessly replace Athena as a lead even if you don't have any other God/Dragon subs (i.e. Apocalypse). If you do, even better. I run her as a lead (without any Apocalypses) for stuff like C7, where I need to be able to do controlled damage to Sopdet and still burst 6-7m on command, and she's also part of my planned ARa Arena team.

Ilm I've played around with a fair bit on my other account. He's kind of a whaley lead, since his ideal team is just a bunch of Leilans, Sarias, or other Ilms, plus an Indra (and the only one of those I have is the Indra). If you can reliably generate whichever orbs you're missing, he does pretty good damage, but he's rather lacking in the RCV department, and depending on your team, even the HP total might not be that great. His biggest claim to fame is probably the crazy things he did to the first couple ranking dungeons with that bicolour board shift (and ROdin subs, if I recall right). He's pretty solid as a sub, though, if you're running Saria, DQ, or those other weirdos. :smalltongue: Heck, I was running him on Ame for a while.


I could field that, but I do not have Isis. She's the last big piece missing on my phone, right now. I'll have to put some thought into which blue cards I have that could take that spot, I've been using Orochi; not sure if I want to try just holding onto the 3-turn defense from Susano that long or not. I've also been considering using my Sakuya team, but I again fall into the same trap, where the only buff I've got is Susano. Lots of interesting options, though.

For a reliable clear without Isis, yeah, either bring a buff, or bring a team with enough HP to survive his 21k hit while you unbind with DKali (the latter being what I did before rolling Isis - works fine, but used a hypered team and a friend with dark resist latents to survive with a couple hundred hp, so a bit dependent on what exactly you're running).

[Otravyat]

For a reliable clear without Isis, yeah, either bring a buff, or bring a team with enough HP to survive his 21k hit while you unbind with DKali (the latter being what I did before rolling Isis - works fine, but used a hypered team and a friend with dark resist latents to survive with a couple hundred hp, so a bit dependent on what exactly you're running).

Or just bring another bind clearer. With Isis you can draw out the buff clear or clear the first turn bind, but you only need one or the other. You suggest bringing a buff, but I just set up the board first turn, let him bind me without hitting me, and then use ASakuya to unbind and kill turn two. The gravity doesn't hurt either. I'm sure that any unbindable bind clearer is fine for that slot.

[obryn]

Truer words were never spoken.
In. Deed.

I drew my DKali when I wasn't keeping up with news. I had literally no idea who she was. Guess I lucked out and I should do more of my rolls while sitting on the can?


I could field that, but I do not have Isis. She's the last big piece missing on my phone, right now. I'll have to put some thought into which blue cards I have that could take that spot, I've been using Orochi; not sure if I want to try just holding onto the 3-turn defense from Susano that long or not. I've also been considering using my Sakuya team, but I again fall into the same trap, where the only buff I've got is Susano. Lots of interesting options, though.
Nothing wrong with Orochi, man. He's like a far superior Echidna, and I couldn't fault you for pulling her along, either. Isis is better for the team, but Orochi is a very solid sub, especially if you can get a blue prong in there.


Or just bring another bind clearer. With Isis you can draw out the buff clear or clear the first turn bind, but you only need one or the other. You suggest bringing a buff, but I just set up the board first turn, let him bind me without hitting me, and then use ASakuya to unbind and kill turn two. The gravity doesn't hurt either. I'm sure that any unbindable bind clearer is fine for that slot.
Yeah, it's either/or. Really, Isis either draws his clear, or unbinds your subs. It's basically win/win.

Speaking of win/win... I got a rank-up tonight. 250 stamina. Beat Yamato Rush on the 2nd try (wow do I hate Kagu and Goemon) and Nordis on the 1st. So that's nice. I now have a +150 Indra, which is a thing I never thought I would say.

[Quietus]

Nothing wrong with Orochi, man. He's like a far superior Echidna, and I couldn't fault you for pulling her along, either. Isis is better for the team, but Orochi is a very solid sub, especially if you can get a blue prong in there.


Yup, I do love my Orochi. I actually have two, B/R and B/G. But it's B/G carting along with Ra. Really do wish I'd picked up Isis though, she's just so handy.



Speaking of win/win... I got a rank-up tonight. 250 stamina. Beat Yamato Rush on the 2nd try (wow do I hate Kagu and Goemon) and Nordis on the 1st. So that's nice. I now have a +150 Indra, which is a thing I never thought I would say.

Nice! I'm not sure I can beat Nordis or Yamato on my tablet, I have exactly two teams worth mentioning : A heavily plussed A.Bastet team (22k HP, after clearing Zaerog!), and an unplussed A.Isis (with no friends reliably running A.Isis). Phone might fare better, I can pick from Ra, Sakuya, and Bastet there. Of course, as usual my tablet is pulling ahead in total dungeons cleared anyway, because of more frequent rank ups for stamina.

[gooddragon1]

Because I gave up on mtgo, I have to have an outlet for my creativity...

So some more broken daydreaming:
8 Star
60 Cost

Light Type/Water Type
Healer/Dragon

H-2715
A-1255
R-685

Active: Gravity 50% or 200k whichever is greater to all enemies (ignore element and defense). Charge other ally skills by 1 turn. (CD 20, min CD 10)

Leader: Dragon HP x3, Healer RCV x3. Reduce damage taken by 20%.

Awakenings:
Bind resist x2
skill lock resist x1
jammer resist x1
blind resist x1
poison resist x1
Auto Recover x4

Run 6 for full immunity to status, 12k autorecover+53028 heal with orbs = 65028 heal per turn, but effectively 93640 with 20% reduction twice included, 200070 hp, effectively 288100.8 with reduction, and the ability to blast for more gravity than ever before or straight up damage as needed with an effective cooldown of 5 turns with the charging. Just gotta match 1 set of orbs each turn.

[Jurai]

Because I gave up on mtgo, I have to have an outlet for my creativity...

So some more broken daydreaming:
8 Star
60 Cost

Light Type/Water Type
Healer/Dragon

H-2715
A-1255
R-685

Active: Gravity 50% or 200k whichever is greater to all enemies (ignore element and defense). Charge other ally skills by 1 turn. (CD 20, min CD 10)

Leader: Dragon HP x3, Healer RCV x3. Reduce damage taken by 20%.

Awakenings:
Bind resist x2
skill lock resist x1
jammer resist x1
blind resist x1
poison resist x1
Auto Recover x4

Run 6 for full immunity to status, 12k autorecover+53028 heal with orbs = 65028 heal per turn, but effectively 93640 with 20% reduction twice included, 200070 hp, effectively 288100.8 with reduction, and the ability to blast for more gravity than ever before or straight up damage as needed with an effective cooldown of 5 turns with the charging. Just gotta match 1 set of orbs each turn.

So basically, we've a LB Dragon/Healer with 8145 HP and 2055 RCV. That's... out there, but plausible based on your team. And the stats are multiplied because the only reason you'd run this thing as a sub (or at least I would) is because you have something that's absotutely bonkers as a lead. Okay. A slew of resist awakens. I don't want to disagree with that, but I don't know the value of Awakens by type. That Gravity is bonkers. That Gravity needs to be changed: Lesser rather than greater (Why? Because it already ignores elements and defense), make it a 25 or 30 turn base cooldown and max out at 15 or 20. Remove the dual types on the lead skill or reduce the multipliers. I don't know much about the game beyond 'build a good team, make a good field, EXPLODE YOUR ENEMIES', but I've not seen two x3s on a single lead skill.

[obryn]

Because I gave up on mtgo, I have to have an outlet for my creativity...

So some more broken daydreaming:
8 Star
60 Cost

Light Type/Water Type
Healer/Dragon

H-2715
A-1255
R-685

Active: Gravity 50% or 200k whichever is greater to all enemies (ignore element and defense). Charge other ally skills by 1 turn. (CD 20, min CD 10)

Leader: Dragon HP x3, Healer RCV x3. Reduce damage taken by 20%.

Awakenings:
Bind resist x2
skill lock resist x1
jammer resist x1
blind resist x1
poison resist x1
Auto Recover x4

Run 6 for full immunity to status, 12k autorecover+53028 heal with orbs = 65028 heal per turn, but effectively 93640 with 20% reduction twice included, 200070 hp, effectively 288100.8 with reduction, and the ability to blast for more gravity than ever before or straight up damage as needed with an effective cooldown of 5 turns with the charging. Just gotta match 1 set of orbs each turn.
Okay, let's look at the Active first.

It's crazy. Compare to Zeus&Hera and tell me how it looks. With 2 shots you drop anything in the game to 25% of its HP. At a 10 round cooldown. With a haste effect.

The Leader skill ... If you pair with a fellow, you get Dragon HP x9 Healer RCV x9 and resist 36% of all damage.

No. Just ... no.

Why do you keep on inventing monsters that let you not play the game?

If you want to play the tank game, Gung Ho has made your path foward clear - use Lucifer or the farmable Noah. Or GrOdin; he's nice and boring, too. You still need to puzzle, though. You cannot go through the game on autopilot.

Use Thoth & Sopdet as your leader. You will have ten extra freaking seconds to move stuff around and match more orbs. If you can't make more than one combo with ten extra seconds of move time then this might not really be an ideal puzzle game for you. You know you can move the orb all around the screen right? Like this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmdVLPY-SMU) Heck, if this doesn't work, just download a solver app and let it do all the thinking for you; you just need to trace a line.

[gooddragon1]

Okay, let's look at the Active first.

It's crazy. Compare to Zeus&Hera and tell me how it looks. With 2 shots you drop anything in the game to 25% of its HP. At a 10 round cooldown. With a haste effect.

The Leader skill ... If you pair with a fellow, you get Dragon HP x9 Healer RCV x9 and resist 36% of all damage.

No. Just ... no.

Why do you keep on inventing monsters that let you not play the game?

If you want to play the tank game, Gung Ho has made your path foward clear - use Lucifer or the farmable Noah. Or GrOdin; he's nice and boring, too. You still need to puzzle, though. You cannot go through the game on autopilot.

Use Thoth & Sopdet as your leader. You will have ten extra freaking seconds to move stuff around and match more orbs. If you can't make more than one combo with ten extra seconds of move time then this might not really be an ideal puzzle game for you. You know you can move the orb all around the screen right? Like this? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmdVLPY-SMU) Heck, if this doesn't work, just download a solver app and let it do all the thinking for you; you just need to trace a line.

I did say it was broken in advance :/

I looked for the best and the results are:
1.5s (5 time extend latent awakenings on each)
+6s Awoken Tsukuyomi x4
+2s Nocturne Chanter, Tsukuyomi x2
+20s Nocturne Chanter, Tsukuyomi x2 leader skill

29.5s bonus + 4 seconds base = 33.5s total

I'd need at least a minute to use one of those board solvers while constantly looking back and forth between screens. Do you know any software that would let me use my computer screen and mouse so I could do it without looking too far back and forth? I could almost manage it with 33.5 seconds then. Maybe 40 seconds would be more likely. It's actually a lot harder than you might think to do the solver thingy.

EDIT: Also, the solver thingy I found doesn't tell you how to use change the world. I wouldn't want to mess up the board with change the world and then have to figure out the thing all over again.

EDIT: Oh you meant an app that solves it. Well, the problem there is that I don't know if they'd ban you for using third party software.

[Anarion]

EDIT: Oh you meant an app that solves it. Well, the problem there is that I don't know if they'd ban you for using third party software.

Nobody is going to ban you for using a solver, but they don't even interact with a PAD app as far as I know. You just set up the field and it applies an algorhithm to determine most combos in fewest moves. Then it shows you a line and you look at the line and try to memorize it so you can do it in the PAD app. You're not looking supposed to look back and forth to make sure you're following it right, you're supposed to memorize it. If you're doing something like that, try doing it in dawnglare (http://pad.dawnglare.com/) several times until you're comfortable following the line you want. That will also help you to understand how to solve the puzzles because you'll start to internalize the patterns by memorizing them and then recognize them when you see them again on a different field.

More broadly though, I don't understand why you speculate on these OP things. I understand the desire to beat a game, but if the only way to beat a game is to skip all the challenge and go to a screen that says "you win!" there was no point doing it in the first place. This game is called Puzzles & Dragons because puzzles are a major part of it. The whole fun of the thing is learning to more quickly and accurately recognize colored patterns on a grid and then quickly move an individual orb to arrange the patterns according to what you want.

That skill, solving a puzzle and then executing the solution quickly, is a good one because it helps keep your mind sharp and improves hand eye coordination. If you're not good at it now, working at it to get better over time is what should make you happy because it will give you a way to show yourself that you can improve on something when you put your mind to it, and you might notice a bit better dexterity more generally in the process. It's a better use of your time than thinking of ways to break the game.

[Fleeing Coward]

If this were a normal Godfest, I'd have successfully avoided making any pulls for a whole Godfest but been a 3 day Godfest, I ended up making a single pull tonight because I had a strong feeling RNG was in my favour. I was right.

Got Ryune for a 1 and done Godfest.

The reason I pulled the REM: my 10 evo mat pull right before got me Red Jewel, Blue Jewel, Devilit, Red Fruit AND Green Fruit.

[Mystic Muse]

Got a Hatsune No something or other for my last pull. You know, for a godfest, it seems odd I only got 1 deity in 5 pulls.

[137beth]

The new Ult Blonia stats look spectacular. It's enough to make me wish I had four Blonias and one Ronia, instead of four Ronias and one Blonia (though the substantially larger number of blue dragon fruit I've accumulated in my never-ending quest to skill-up Ronias may also have something to do with it....)
Even when she isn't being used as a lead, Awoken I&I//Blonia/(three other subs)//Awoken I&I has 100% skill-bind resist, bypassing the Sonias' biggest weakness.

[obryn]

EDIT: Oh you meant an app that solves it. Well, the problem there is that I don't know if they'd ban you for using third party software.
In theory? Yes. In practice? No. Gungho would rather have your wallet than not.

Look, this game exists to pull money from your pocket and give it to gungho. There's nothing ethically wrong about using an app to help your performance - it's kind of self defense. But it gets boring. And you'll never get as good as you could without one - see Paprika. But if that's how you have to play, better that than imagining game-breaking stuff that will never happen.

[obryn]

The new Ult Blonia stats look spectacular. It's enough to make me wish I had four Blonias and one Ronia, instead of four Ronias and one Blonia (though the substantially larger number of blue dragon fruit I've accumulated in my never-ending quest to skill-up Ronias may also have something to do with it....)
Even when she isn't being used as a lead, Awoken I&I//Blonia/(three other subs)//Awoken I&I has 100% skill-bind resist, bypassing the Sonias' biggest weakness.
I have, as predicted, no regrets about selling mine.

[Quietus]

The new Ult Blonia stats look spectacular. It's enough to make me wish I had four Blonias and one Ronia, instead of four Ronias and one Blonia (though the substantially larger number of blue dragon fruit I've accumulated in my never-ending quest to skill-up Ronias may also have something to do with it....)
Even when she isn't being used as a lead, Awoken I&I//Blonia/(three other subs)//Awoken I&I has 100% skill-bind resist, bypassing the Sonias' biggest weakness.


I have, as predicted, no regrets about selling mine.

I think Blonia was the winner between the two; these are definite improvements, but Gronia in particular suffers in the awakenings department for one very specific reason : lack of offensive focus. She can be used as a sub for a stat stick/offensive boardshift, and the single TPA she was granted helps with this, but her leader skill just doesn't make her competitive as a leader. I would have vastly preferred if they'd dropped the secondary element rowhances, and just given both Sonias more focused purpose. Double row + TPA or double TPA + row for Gronia would have been so, so much more useful. And triple blue rows for Blonia would be delicious.

That being said, this does increase their general usefulness, they got two things- time extend and skill lock resist - they sorely needed. I just think that in most situations I'll find there's a more useful sub than Gronia available for most teams. She's still my baby, though. :smalltongue:

[Sallera]

Yep, as expected, no regrets. I've got an HBlonia still if I want the active, even.

[Feistylady]

Well I finally got Bastet is there a favorite ult evo you use u will start with that and build a team if u care to share :)

[Quietus]

Well I finally got Bastet is there a favorite ult evo you use u will start with that and build a team if u care to share :)

I went with the G/L evo until I could go Awoken; G/D is stronger, but requires higher skill input.

G/L : Starts at 4 combo, goes up to 7 combo for 4x
G/D : Starts at 5 combo, goes up to 8 combo for 4.5x
Awoken : Starts at 5 combo, goes up to 7 combo for 4x and can spike on skill use for 6x

Awoken is the goal; either of the other two can field teams that will get you the material, it really depends on what you can afford to evolve her into, and how much you want to push yourself to be ready for the 5 combo that comes with Awoken. If you're already comfortable with your skills, I'd go G/D. Otherwise, G/L is easier to pilot, and it's not terribly difficult to switch over to Awoken when you're ready.

[Samuel Sturm]

I'd need at least a minute to use one of those board solvers while constantly looking back and forth between screens.

You have a minute. You have all the time in the world, actually. Orb move time doesn't start counting until you actually move an orb, and you can exit the app, come back whenever. Time doesn't start till you want it to.
Unless I'm seriously missing something here?

[Fax Celestis]

G/L : Starts at 4 combo, goes up to 7 combo for 4x
G/D : Starts at 5 combo, goes up to 8 combo for 4.5x
Awoken : Starts at 5 combo, goes up to 7 combo for 4x and can spike on skill use for 6x

Single Bastet
Combo CountBase BastetGL BastetGD BastetABastetABastet with Skill
11x1x1x1x1.5x
21x1x1x1x1.5x
31x1x1x1x1.5x
42.5x2.5x1x1x1.5x
52.5x3x3x3x4.5x
62.5x3.5x3.5x3.5x5.25x
72.5x4x4x4x6x
8+2.5x4x4.5x4x6x

Paired Bastets
Combo CountBase BastetGL BastetGD BastetABastetABastet with Skill
11x1x1x1x2.25x
21x1x1x1x2.25x
31x1x1x1x2.25x
46.25x6.25x1x1x2.25x
56.25x9x9x9x20.25x
66.25x12.25x12.25x12.25x27.5625x
76.25x16x16x16x36x
8+6.25x16x20.25x16x36x

[gooddragon1]

In theory? Yes. In practice? No. Gungho would rather have your wallet than not.

Look, this game exists to pull money from your pocket and give it to gungho. There's nothing ethically wrong about using an app to help your performance - it's kind of self defense. But it gets boring. And you'll never get as good as you could without one - see Paprika. But if that's how you have to play, better that than imagining game-breaking stuff that will never happen.

Interesting, however on the second part... Shiva Dragon (just saw it today in the MP gallery).

It's a 5x multiplier for having the right team. I speculate that they may eventually have

2x Specific Attribute
+1x Second specific attribute
+2x Type
+1x Second type
+1x No RCV
+1x Half HP
+1x Reduce orb movement time by 1s
+1.5x Just because
-0.5x Pre-Emptive attacks cannot reduce you below 1 hp.
=10x Attack

Which would look like this:
Lt/Dk x4 ATK, Mc/Gd x2.5 ATK, 0 RCV, 0.5 HP, Reduce time 1s. Res pre-empt.

I don't advocate it, but I think it could happen. Personally, I don't have that much of a problem with it for the same reason I don't mind what Runescape is doing with their microtransactions. This game isn't a competition (unless that competition they're hosting really is one?). However, I do feel sorry for you guys. You've been nicer than the runescape community who basically said "buy mems" in response to the f2p requesting some content. I laughed when they got their comeuppance. I still do. The shoe is on the other foot. But you guys don't deserve that. It's just that I've seen this happen before (since I've been in runescape when the original classic was still going and that was waaaay before mtx (think sleeping bags)). It starts with a small advantage and becomes a big deal.

Some of the parallels:
-Bonds in runescape are a way to get membership without actually paying real money, but you could if you wanted to
+PAD has monster points that you can accumulate to get these things, but its easier to get them with money (It would cost you 300+$ to get Shiva Dragon btw)
-Treasure Hunter (formerly Squeal of Fortune) can allow you to buy XP (not reliably since you have to get a lamp which may or may not happen).
+PAD allows you to buy a monster with bonkers stats.

Though it's strange because RS never made gear that you had to get from Treasure Hunter only with better stats than what you could get in the game. It won't stop me from playing PAD because I have fun in my own way. I just hope that it doesn't affect your guys's (technical term) fun.

But enough of that, let's enjoy a pleasant broken monster distraction:


Unquenchable Ogre
Type: Physical
Element: Fire/Fire
Rarity: 5 Stars
Cost: 30
Max LVL 99
H: 600 (Max 3000)
A: 400 (Max 1500)
R: 10 (Max 90)

Leader Skill (Unquenchable): A single hit that normally kills you may instead leave you with 1 HP. For the consecutive hits, if your hp was full this skill will only affect up to 3 hits, above 75% up to 2 hits, above 50% up to 1 hit.

Active (Pyreblast)[CD 15, min 10]: Deal 50000 Fire damage to all enemies. Ignores defense.

Awoken Skills: Skill up x3

Evolution: Samurai Ogre Base (Add Ice Samurai Ogre, Wood Samurai Ogre, Blazing Ice Ogre, Flame Armor Ogre, Keeper of the Rainbow)

Notes:
For those days when monsters sync up attacks in the normal dungeon. Also works perhaps in some technical dungeons.



You have a minute. You have all the time in the world, actually. Orb move time doesn't start counting until you actually move an orb, and you can exit the app, come back whenever. Time doesn't start till you want it to.
Unless I'm seriously missing something here?

I meant while moving the orbs.

[Fax Celestis]

For those of you using iOS unjailbroken: http://imgur.com/a/53k8N

[Jasmine]

Shiva Dragon (just saw it today in the MP gallery). It's a 5x multiplier for having the right team.

However, I do feel sorry for you guys. You've been nicer than the runescape community who basically said "buy mems" in response to the f2p requesting some content.

Some of the parallels:
-Bonds in runescape are a way to get membership without actually paying real money, but you could if you wanted to
+PAD has monster points that you can accumulate to get these things, but its easier to get them with money (It would cost you 300+$ to get Shiva Dragon btw)

Though it's strange because RS never made gear that you had to get from Treasure Hunter only with better stats than what you could get in the game. It won't stop me from playing PAD because I have fun in my own way. I just hope that it doesn't affect your guys's (technical term) fun.
It's more of a 5x multiplier for saying "Thanks for spending 500$/500 days/a combination of the two on this game, here's something you don't really need anymore, but will make farming more convenient"

I feel a large part of why you're getting criticism is that you're 'ideas' aren't really creative. A three year old is capable of crying for "more, more!", but that kind of mentality makes for an easier game, not a more interesting one. If your suggestions were actually something innovative, you'd get a lot more discussion and a lot less backlash then if you simply added damage/added multiplier/reduced cooldown/added stats/added awakenings.

PAD as a game is designed in a way to appeal to both casuals and 'hardcore' players- you need almost no skill/knowledge/preparation to zoom through the game up to Tomb of Saint so casuals can have a good few hours of fun, but starts having a higher gate from there, allowing more dedicated players to spend hundreds of dollars/days to climb ever higher. I could see a point in making more content for casuals, but when so much of your revenue comes from people whaling to get top tier teams, it's more financially lucrative to crank out hard dungeons and op monsters than more easy stuff that requires nothing.

The difference is membership unlocks 95% of the game. Shiva dragon unlocks quickfarming of mid tier descends - maybe 5% of the game, if that. That's a huge difference. RS doesn't gate equipment behind a slot machine because it's hard gated behind actually having membership. As bad as the REM rates can be, a non-IAP player can realistically expect to beat 99% of the content. As I've said many times before, the only reasons for paying is impatience and waifu collection.


I can't tell if I'm just bad at Bastet playstyle or because the team has less plus eggs but I'm 0/12 on Bastet clears and 2/2 on both Horus and Kirin clears on various descend challenges.

A newb(G) -> A newb-is (G/B) Evo mats require Hera-is Dragon type.
LS: +0.25x damage per orb cleared. -1x damage per combo over 1.
AS: L>G, D>B 13-9 turns.
Awoken: two green rows, a green enhance, a time extend, maybe some resists.
600 weighted stats - 2000 hp/ 1000 attack/ 600 rcv.
Basically the new puzzle will be to clear as many orbs as possible in as few combos as possible, making big blobs. By alternating clears (clear out the 3 colors with most orbs each turn) you can continuously output 9x damage (2 leads), while a Gonia/Bonia active will likely give you 42.25x - however, you only get a 1.25x combo multiplier and 1 row. Splitting it into two attacking rows may be useful with 4+ rowhancess if your orbs aren't all enhanced. Bringing a Zeus-Dios or Hera-Beorc could get you the nice 56.25x, but those are kind of dead weight outside of the final bang.

Thoughts: I was originally envisioning this as a type of noob helper when they weren't very good at combos, but it might also encourage bad comboing habits. Would be a good way of making rows more relevant without actually buffing them, and is a new playstyle. May be too reliant on having Gronia/Bonia/Genbu, though (which might actually be a plus for a lot of people, minus Obryn :P).

[Fax Celestis]

I can't tell if I'm just bad at Bastet playstyle or because the team has less plus eggs but I'm 0/12 on Bastet clears and 2/2 on both Horus and Kirin clears on various descend challenges. What's your Bastet team?


AS: L>G 9-5 turns. (Think no one has this?) Sort of: http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1049

[Jasmine]

What's your Bastet team?

Sort of: http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1049
Hyper Wonder Woman, Hyper GValk, Sasuke, ADK.

Changed AS to further promote G/B play.

[gooddragon1]

It's more of a 5x multiplier for saying "Thanks for spending 500$/500 days/a combination of the two on this game, here's something you don't really need anymore, but will make farming more convenient"

I feel a large part of why you're getting criticism is that you're 'ideas' aren't really creative. A three year old is capable of crying for "more, more!", but that kind of mentality makes for an easier game, not a more interesting one. If your suggestions were actually something innovative, you'd get a lot more discussion and a lot less backlash then if you simply added damage/added multiplier/reduced cooldown/added stats/added awakenings.

PAD as a game is designed in a way to appeal to both casuals and 'hardcore' players- you need almost no skill/knowledge/preparation to zoom through the game up to Tomb of Saint so casuals can have a good few hours of fun, but starts having a higher gate from there, allowing more dedicated players to spend hundreds of dollars/days to climb ever higher. I could see a point in making more content for casuals, but when so much of your revenue comes from people whaling to get top tier teams, it's more financially lucrative to crank out hard dungeons and op monsters than more easy stuff that requires nothing.

The difference is membership unlocks 95% of the game. Shiva dragon unlocks quickfarming of mid tier descends - maybe 5% of the game, if that. That's a huge difference. RS doesn't gate equipment behind a slot machine because it's hard gated behind actually having membership. As bad as the REM rates can be, a non-IAP player can realistically expect to beat 99% of the content. As I've said many times before, the only reasons for paying is impatience and waifu collection.


I can't tell if I'm just bad at Bastet playstyle or because the team has less plus eggs but I'm 0/12 on Bastet clears and 2/2 on both Horus and Kirin clears on various descend challenges.

A newb(G) -> A newb-is (G/B) Evo mats require Hera-is Dragon type.
LS: +0.25x damage per orb cleared. -1x damage per combo over 1.
AS: L>G, D>B 13-9 turns.
Awoken: two green rows, a green enhance, a time extend, maybe some resists.
600 weighted stats - 2000 hp/ 1000 attack/ 600 rcv.
Basically the new puzzle will be to clear as many orbs as possible in as few combos as possible, making big blobs. By alternating clears (clear out the 3 colors with most orbs each turn) you can continuously output 9x damage (2 leads), while a Gonia/Bonia active will likely give you 42.25x - however, you only get a 1.25x combo multiplier and 1 row. Splitting it into two attacking rows may be useful with 4+ rowhancess if your orbs aren't all enhanced. Bringing a Zeus-Dios or Hera-Beorc could get you the nice 56.25x, but those are kind of dead weight outside of the final bang.

Thoughts: I was originally envisioning this as a type of noob helper when they weren't very good at combos, but it might also encourage bad comboing habits. Would be a good way of making rows more relevant without actually buffing them, and is a new playstyle. May be too reliant on having Gronia/Bonia/Genbu, though (which might actually be a plus for a lot of people, minus Obryn :P).


So, a few things
-The monster suggestions are separate from the worrying part
-I'm worried for you guys, but if you're okay then it's okay
-It needs to be LS: +0.25x damage per orb cleared. +1x damage per combo over 1. :D

I can usually get 5 orbs so with 6 over 2 combos that would be 1.5x and 1x for 2.5x. Maybe a little stronger? Like .5x per orb and multiply by number of combos (If I rigged the board somehow that would be 12*0.5*4 combos=24*24=x576)?

More seriously, I just post the monster ideas that come to me. Broken or not. It's just a creative outlet.

[Fax Celestis]

Hyper Wonder Woman, Hyper GValk, Sasuke, ADK.

Changed AS to further promote G/B play.

I'd drop ADKZ for AParvati, maybe. IDK how out of date your Padherder is.

[Jasmine]

I'd drop ADKZ for AParvati, maybe. IDK how out of date your Padherder is.
Parvati fights for orbs with Sasuke, though. And yeah it's reasonably out of date.

Hmm should I hyper Ra or Chocobo.


-I'm worried for you guys, but if you're okay then it's okay

It's just a creative outlet.
Worried because...we can actually beat things without downloading cheats?

That's what I was saying - there's nothing creative in saying "ooh it does X right now, lets make it do 2x!"

[Quietus]

I can't tell if I'm just bad at Bastet playstyle or because the team has less plus eggs but I'm 0/12 on Bastet clears and 2/2 on both Horus and Kirin clears on various descend challenges.

Those plusses make a BIG difference, if my experience is any indication. My tablet is smashing Descended Challenge, my phone has completed... Zaerog. Then again, I flubbed hard on Dragon Zombie earlier on both accounts, so maybe I'm just not good :smalltongue:


Parvati fights for orbs with Sasuke, though. And yeah it's reasonably out of date.

Hmm should I hyper Ra or Chocobo.

I'd go with Ra, but Chocobo has its uses in a potential Ultimate Arena farm team. I can't remember who it was (maybe you?) who mentioned that possibility.

[Jurai]

A newb(G) -> A newb-is (G/B) Evo mats require Hera-is Dragon type.
LS: +0.25x damage per orb cleared. -1x damage per combo over 1.
AS: L>G, D>B 13-9 turns.
Awoken: two green rows, a green enhance, a time extend, maybe some resists.
600 weighted stats - 2000 hp/ 1000 attack/ 600 rcv.
Basically the new puzzle will be to clear as many orbs as possible in as few combos as possible, making big blobs. By alternating clears (clear out the 3 colors with most orbs each turn) you can continuously output 9x damage (2 leads), while a Gonia/Bonia active will likely give you 42.25x - however, you only get a 1.25x combo multiplier and 1 row. Splitting it into two attacking rows may be useful with 4+ rowhancess if your orbs aren't all enhanced. Bringing a Zeus-Dios or Hera-Beorc could get you the nice 56.25x, but those are kind of dead weight outside of the final bang.

Thoughts: I was originally envisioning this as a type of noob helper when they weren't very good at combos, but it might also encourage bad comboing habits. Would be a good way of making rows more relevant without actually buffing them, and is a new playstyle. May be too reliant on having Gronia/Bonia/Genbu, though (which might actually be a plus for a lot of people, minus Obryn :P).


Hmm... That's interesting, and something I can do there.

Poison Maiden, Kimaska
Light/Dark Healer
6 Stars
Active Skill: Corrupted Medicine- For 1 turn, use RCV instead of ATK to determine damage dealt, and use ATK instead of RCV to determine health restored. Cooldown 30-20 turns.
Leader Skill: Do No Harm- inflict a one-turn delay by matching five enhanced Dark orbs in a cross formation. Reduce damage taken by 35% when matching Heart orbs in a cross formation.
Awakens: Enhance Heart Orb x2, Enhance Light Orb, Time Extend x2.
Uvo: Venomous Chirurgeon, Toxin Kimaska
Light/Dark Devil Healer
7 Stars
Leader Skill: Mad Treatment: Reduce damage taken by 35% when matching Heart orbs in a cross formation. If matching Poison orbs, reduce damage taken by half.
Here I wanted a healer that could be dangerous on her own, though I fear I've overshot.

[Jasmine]

Hmm... That's interesting, and something I can do there.

Poison Maiden, Kimaska
Light/Dark Healer
6 Stars
Active Skill: Corrupted Medicine- For 1 turn, use RCV instead of ATK to determine damage dealt, and use ATK instead of RCV to determine health restored. Cooldown 30-20 turns.
Leader Skill: Do No Harm- inflict a one-turn delay by matching five enhanced Dark orbs in a cross formation. Reduce damage taken by 35% when matching Heart orbs in a cross formation.
Awakens: Enhance Heart Orb x2, Enhance Light Orb, Time Extend x2.
Uvo: Venomous Chirurgeon, Toxin Kimaska
Light/Dark Devil Healer
7 Stars
Leader Skill: Mad Treatment: Reduce damage taken by 35% when matching Heart orbs in a cross formation. If matching Poison orbs, reduce damage taken by half.
Here I wanted a healer that could be dangerous on her own, though I fear I've overshot.
No damage.

[gooddragon1]

Worried because...we can actually beat things without downloading cheats?

No, because if this game starts cranking out content that's broken as all get out from the monster points initiative I'm worried you might not enjoy it. I won't have as much of a problem with it given my strange ways of enjoying games, I'm just hoping they don't ruin it for players who enjoy a significant challenge.


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I had one of me shooting projectiles over a cliff at black knights in runescape, but I cannot find it.
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[Quietus]

No, because if this game starts cranking out content that's broken as all get out from the monster points initiative I'm worried you might not enjoy it. I won't have as much of a problem with it given my strange ways of enjoying games, I'm just hoping they don't ruin it for players who enjoy a significant challenge.

So far, they've managed to provide novel challenges that are in line with the monsters available - yes, the top end stuff assumes you have high powered REM cards, but by the time you're trying to do Legend Plus difficulty stuff, I think that's a fair assumption. Considering we're specifically looking for challenges, I don't think we're going to be too upset if we're given them. :smalltongue:

[Otravyat]

Two attempts so far on Land of the Rising Sun. The first time, I had it dead to rights and just made a stupid mistake. First hit took Goemon to 55%, and I was worried about double damage against him knocking him below 30% so I just went all out to make him regenerate. From there, I forgot that I didn't get double damage anymore, did a minimal activation, and took him down like 24%, not quite ducking below the 25k hit range. Oops.

Second time, I forgot how much health Tengu has and got one shot on the first floor. :smallbiggrin:

Tough dungeon, with the two consecutive resolves. Luckily, the ability to delay Kagu really helps.

[TeChameleon]

*sigh*

I just got murdered by the bosses in Tamadra Infestation. Apparently I just can't pull quite enough damage out of my blue rainbow team (SS Isis, Wiz Merlin, Super-Ultra UmiYama, Famiel, and Sumire, all max level, all max awakenings, but only Isis with significant pluses- 138, the others +11 to +0). Am I just sucking, or am I aiming higher than I can really reach right now?

Oh- managed to scrape together enough stones and make one final pull on the PCGF, and got... Evil Eye Cyberbeast, Kakkab. I'd be irritated, but the thing is just so hilariously ludicrous looking that I don't even mind that it's not a godfest monster. Basically the same reason that I keep the bowl demons- I think they look amusing :smalltongue: Although Kakkab might actually be useful, not sure.

Managed to grab a Guan Yinping, somewhat to my surprise, when I did her (Master-level) descend, and got a Griffin (and a Tunabowl) from the Rare Monster whatever it was the other day, although I had to blow a stone, or maybe two... to do that. For anyone that might care, my Padherder (https://www.padherder.com/user/TeChameleon/monsters/#31,0,31,2047,268435455,0,,0,0,0,eq,0,0,0,0,;defau lt,0) is up-to-date (I think >.>). As always, suggestions on team composition and/or what to pursue are welcome should you happen to be bored enough to go digging through my random mishmash of monsters.

[Otravyat]

*sigh*

I just got murdered by the bosses in Tamadra Infestation. Apparently I just can't pull quite enough damage out of my blue rainbow team (SS Isis, Wiz Merlin, Super-Ultra UmiYama, Famiel, and Sumire, all max level, all max awakenings, but only Isis with significant pluses- 138, the others +11 to +0). Am I just sucking, or am I aiming higher than I can really reach right now?



Most people don't approach Tamadras Infestation with their normal team. Instead, they stall a lot early and bring 2 direct damage monsters to make sure one can dodge binds. Any poison or any damage that ignores armor will just blow up the 30 hp high armor monsters without needing to worry.

[Fax Celestis]

*sigh*

I just got murdered by the bosses in Tamadra Infestation. Apparently I just can't pull quite enough damage out of my blue rainbow team (SS Isis, Wiz Merlin, Super-Ultra UmiYama, Famiel, and Sumire, all max level, all max awakenings, but only Isis with significant pluses- 138, the others +11 to +0). Am I just sucking, or am I aiming higher than I can really reach right now?

Bring a friend Ra, or pack a poisoner (Lilith, Neptune) or fixed-value-damage dealer (Mystic Masks are readily available), and just nuke the final floor. Don't even try to combo.


Most people don't approach Tamadras Infestation with their normal team. Instead, they stall a lot early and bring 2 direct damage monsters to make sure one can dodge binds. Any poison or any damage that ignores armor will just blow up the 30 hp high armor monsters without needing to worry.

Case in point: the team I brought today was [LKali//ASakuya/LValk]/Lilith/Swallowtail//ARa. The stuff in [] wasn't important: it could have been practically anything.

[gooddragon1]

Most people don't approach Tamadras Infestation with their normal team. Instead, they stall a lot early and bring 2 direct damage monsters to make sure one can dodge binds. Any poison or any damage that ignores armor will just blow up the 30 hp high armor monsters without needing to worry.

Interestingly, there is currently 1 you could farm right now, but it's stats are bad:
Kenshiro Tamadra (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2454)

[TeChameleon]

... ah.

Good to know. Wish I'd known before I wasted all my stamina, but such is life, I guess. Thanks for the replies, anyhow.

[Mystic Muse]

Do you know what I want? A monster that makes it so Nagas and succubi will actually freaking drop. :smalltongue:

[Anarion]

@Gooddragon and a game challenge. Gungho has been actively releasing harder and harder content to match with their better and better releases. In addition, a lot of their stuff has curveballs to it that makes the top end teams not always the best. Ra dragon is probably the pinnacle of damage at the moment, but things like absorption shields and resolve cause him a problem even with a perfect maxed team. A big reason that PAD is so popular is that Gungho has done a great job making a variety of challenges and variations, rather than just doing one set of big numbers after another.

Also, while you're free to post any ideas you want, if your only thoughts are bigger numbers that require no skill in execution, it does create the impression that you misunderstand the fun of the game and since those ideas could ruin other people's fun if they were ever truly implemented, they're likely to receive criticism.


Do you know what I want? A monster that makes it so Nagas and succubi will actually freaking drop. :smalltongue:

If you unlock skydragons domain, those dungeons have a much, much higher drop rate for the healer girls (naga et al). Maybe once every 5 or 6 runs, I think, especially if you farm them on weekends when the drop rate is boosted.

[obryn]

Hmm should I hyper Ra or Chocobo.
If you're looking to lead Ra, then Ra. If you're not, then Chocobo. :smallsmile:


No, because if this game starts cranking out content that's broken as all get out from the monster points initiative I'm worried you might not enjoy it. I won't have as much of a problem with it given my strange ways of enjoying games, I'm just hoping they don't ruin it for players who enjoy a significant challenge.
Power will creep. It's inevitable. I think they are slowing down, though, now that they've accounted for their Juggler mistake.

I wouldn't expect to see much more powerful leaders than the current line of Shamedragons for a while yet. Yes, Shiva Dragon is an unconditional x25 for a fairly limited sub pool. Why isn't this broken?

1. It's a whale toy for whales. You need a specific set of subs - red gods, preferably with orb changes - to make him shine. And 300k monster points is a few hundred real-world dollars.
2. x25 will get you through many Descends pretty easily. But it will not win the game. I don't think there are too many high-probability shivadrag teams for the Kalisseum.
3. It's a huge investment to raise up to hypermax.

So it's a farming toy for people who want to farm stuff fast.

[Anarion]

1. It's a whale toy for whales. You need a specific set of subs - red gods, preferably with orb changes - to make him shine. And 300k monster points is a few hundred real-world dollars.

The other two are good points, but this one doesn't really mean much. Sun laser chicken is a whale toy that requires very specific subs (citation: Kali laments appearing at least once on every page of the thread :smalltongue:), but it's a content-clearing, damage bursting murder toy. It's just okay for it to be like that because it's on the top end of puzzle execution difficulty even with time extends.

[Otravyat]

Interestingly, there is currently 1 you could farm right now, but it's stats are bad:
Kenshiro Tamadra (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2454)

That is actually an armor break, something that gets rid of the armor. I'm looking at stuff that does damage THROUGH the armor. The most common farmable option is Lilith, which can poison monsters regardless of armor.

[137beth]

Woo! I beat Aamir, giving me the last jewel I needed for Awoken Parvarti!
Now I gotta prepare a team for the new 7x6 dungeon, since the boss is evo material for awoken I&I. I think U&Y should be able to tackle a 7x6 dungeon with water and wood orb-locking, right?

[obryn]

The other two are good points, but this one doesn't really mean much. Sun laser chicken is a whale toy that requires very specific subs (citation: Kali laments appearing at least once on every page of the thread :smalltongue:), but it's a content-clearing, damage bursting murder toy. It's just okay for it to be like that because it's on the top end of puzzle execution difficulty even with time extends.
Oh yeah, but that's a whale toy with specific subs and requiring a high degree of skill, as you said.

Best lead in the game, bar none.

[Fax Celestis]

If the Christmas MP shop is an RG Kali, I will sell many things to buy it.

Though Halloween did have HKali, so they'll probably do a not-Kali card. Verd? Bastet?

[obryn]

If the Christmas MP shop is an RG Kali, I will sell many things to buy it.

Though Halloween did have HKali, so they'll probably do a not-Kali card. Verd? Bastet?
The loser option would be Santa Kirin, and then giving her a desirable Ult.

I hope it's more interesting than that, though.

Oh and I guess I have an ult Noodle bowl now? Okay.

[Mystic Muse]

So, godfest pulls.

Idunn and Idunna
Wood Wizard Leeza
Curved Blade Brave Kopis
Hatsume No Tsubone.
Chrono turtle (insta-sell).

Not really what I was hoping for at all.

I also got a sea serpent that strikes me as fairly expendable.

[Quietus]

Three PAD accounts in the house, all at zero stones. Managed to farm for one last pull on both of mine, and my nephew's :

Phone : Dupe Griffin Rider. No idea what to do with him.
Tablet : Green row cyberdragon. No idea what to do with him.
Nephew's account : Dupe Shining Dragon Swordsman. At least I know exactly what to do with him? :smallsigh:

[Mystic Muse]

I keep seeing people mentioning " Has X Rows" and "TPAs." What do these terms actually mean?

[Sallera]

Rows = row enhance awakenings. +10% damage of that colour for the whole team and whole turn per full row matched across the board. Additive.
TPAs = Two-Pronged Attack awakenings. x1.5 damage for that monster and that match alone when matching exactly 4 orbs. Multiplicative.

[Fax Celestis]

Three PAD accounts in the house, all at zero stones. Managed to farm for one last pull on both of mine, and my nephew's :

Phone : Dupe Griffin Rider. No idea what to do with him.
Tablet : Green row cyberdragon. No idea what to do with him.
Nephew's account : Dupe Shining Dragon Swordsman. At least I know exactly what to do with him? :smallsigh:

Hang onto that griffin rider, at least. They may get spectacular ults.

[Mystic Muse]

Well, Awoken Hera is quite helpful for grinding Divine Queen's sleepless castle, as it turns out.

Also, man, Aegir Descended looks annoying. Not sure how to burst through millions of HP with what I have.

And I must be misreading Yuria, since it looks like you can get a 5.5x multiplier with her.

[Quietus]

Hang onto that griffin rider, at least. They may get spectacular ults.

Oh, I intend to hold onto him. I'm a little annoyed at having dumped two Woodpy into the first one (no plus), and then getting a second with +1.. I'd rather the skill ups be in the second. But he's such a star on my tablet's Bastet team, I wouldn't give him up... though I'm still very tempted to run a Bastet team on the phone of Bastet/Meimei/Meimei/Vishnu/Vishnu/Bastet. :smalltongue:


Well, Awoken Hera is quite helpful for grinding Divine Queen's sleepless castle, as it turns out.

Also, man, Aegir Descended looks annoying. Not sure how to burst through millions of HP with what I have.

And I must be misreading Yuria, since it looks like you can get a 5.5x multiplier with her.

You are. 2.5 attack, with an extra 1.3x on the turn you use a skill, is 3.25x damage. You also get 2x HP.

[Mystic Muse]

You are. 2.5 attack, with an extra 1.3x on the turn you use a skill, is 3.25x damage. You also get 2x HP.

Ah, figured it wasn't correct. Thanks for clearing that up.

[Otravyat]

You are. 2.5 attack, with an extra 1.3x on the turn you use a skill, is 3.25x damage. You also get 2x HP.

Are we looking at a different monster? Pad guide has Yuria as: 1.5x attack with 1 heal combo, 2.5x attack at 2 heal combos. 2x attack when clearing 4 connected light orbs, up to 3x attack for 6 connected light orbs. No
HP boost, and up to 56.25x attack for two heal combos and a row.

The un evolved form doesn't have the 3x attack clause, but does still have the other multipliers.

[Erloas]

So I haven't posted in a while, not in this thread at all in fact. Not much going on really, beating some stuff but also feeling like I should be able to do more, like things people with half the play time have been clearing easily.

But it isn't a big deal, just doesn't make me feel like posting as much. The only bright side lately is that my wife pulled me Isis on the first day of the PCGF. Although I'm missing a dub-myth to evo her, I have everything else I need for her including a blue snow globe. Unfortunately I got her with only a few hours of Evangelion left, I stoned it once but was too tired to do more. Got 0 skill ups out of the 4-6 evo'd feedings but have another 15ish saved to evo and feed later.

[Quietus]

Are we looking at a different monster? Pad guide has Yuria as: 1.5x attack with 1 heal combo, 2.5x attack at 2 heal combos. 2x attack when clearing 4 connected light orbs, up to 3x attack for 6 connected light orbs. No
HP boost, and up to 56.25x attack for two heal combos and a row.

The un evolved form doesn't have the 3x attack clause, but does still have the other multipliers.

Oh! No, we weren't - I was mixing her up with Ryune for some reason. Huh, Yuria looks really good!


So I haven't posted in a while, not in this thread at all in fact. Not much going on really, beating some stuff but also feeling like I should be able to do more, like things people with half the play time have been clearing easily.

But it isn't a big deal, just doesn't make me feel like posting as much. The only bright side lately is that my wife pulled me Isis on the first day of the PCGF. Although I'm missing a dub-myth to evo her, I have everything else I need for her including a blue snow globe. Unfortunately I got her with only a few hours of Evangelion left, I stoned it once but was too tired to do more. Got 0 skill ups out of the 4-6 evo'd feedings but have another 15ish saved to evo and feed later.

Yay Isis! You're not going for her Awoken form? Because her Awoken form doesn't skill up off the same material, just Bubpy (and other Isis).

[Otravyat]

Oh! No, we weren't - I was mixing her up with Ryune for some reason. Huh, Yuria looks really good!


Yeah, I've seems some crazy numbers from light row teams of hers. 300k MP right now.

[obryn]

But it isn't a big deal, just doesn't make me feel like posting as much. The only bright side lately is that my wife pulled me Isis on the first day of the PCGF. Although I'm missing a dub-myth to evo her, I have everything else I need for her including a blue snow globe. Unfortunately I got her with only a few hours of Evangelion left, I stoned it once but was too tired to do more. Got 0 skill ups out of the 4-6 evo'd feedings but have another 15ish saved to evo and feed later.
Hey man! Miss you!

Isis is awesome. Her awoken form is pretty amazing. :smallbiggrin:

In other news...

Ult GrOnia got improved a bit - making her row-focused instead of a random single prong in there. No other buffs in sight.

The REM Valkyries are now better leaders than the Heroes, so that's cool. :smallbiggrin:

[Fax Celestis]

Ult GrOnia got improved a bit - making her row-focused instead of a random single prong in there. No other buffs in sight.

The REM Valkyries are now better leaders than the Heroes, so that's cool. :smallbiggrin:

Uh, UGronia's LS got switched to match UBonia. Before: 1.5x ATK for 2+ wood combos; After: 1.5x for matching 5+ wood orbs in one combo.

EDIT: Incidentally, the 1.5x for 5+ orbs means making a row is 14x for paired Gronia/Bonias before rowhances. Which is a far cry above Ronia's 9x for 6+ combos.

[Levictus]

Hello everyone! Just been creeping in the background, not posting much since school is absorbing most of my time. Same old stuff in the pad world, just progressing through descended challenges and plussing up the A. Shiva team.

Last descended challenge I was able to clear 1-9, 10 had eluded me. For this set, everything is cleared up to the last three (which reward mad + tamadra!) I'm trying to figure out how to get those +150, but for whatever reason team design is eluding me. I think my Shiva team could handle most of them (?), but with the lack of a bind clearer I was aiming more towards taking A. Sakuya or A. Ra into them.

As for the PCGF, I whaled a little (bought a pack of $85 since next terms loans came in!), and rolled a few gems along with some dupes of course. Notable Pulls include: Isis, Vishnu, Lakshimi, MeiMei (x4 - time to start up the system!), Saria, and Okuninushi.
Isis will obviously make an incredible sub for many teams (most notably A. Ra.). Unfortunately I'm missing Cleopatra to evo her, but her dungeon should hopefully rotate around soon. Vishnu is going to be awesome for best cat, and meimei gives me another awoken for the system. Lakshimi I've heard can clear a lot of descends, but I think I have better options so she'll probably sit around.


Yeah, I've seems some crazy numbers from light row teams of hers. 300k MP right now.
Yuria was someone I was thinking about buying. I'm sitting on 350k MP, and with the recent Saria pull (and my current box box of Gods with Light Rows), I was thinking about making the Yuria purchase to use to replace my RSonia team for easy mode farming.

Anyone have ideas on Nordis/Zaerog? I made it to Nordis with my A.Shiva team (Shiva/Hino/Hino/Urd/Urd), but died because I overlooked the double bind on Hino and have no way to clear. For Zaerog, as I mentioned, I was thinking of taking in A. Sakuya or A. Ra. Floor 9, its just a straight combo challenge, right? 6 combos the first two turns to get cooldowns back and then it should be a one shot on both 9/10?

[Fax Celestis]

Isis will obviously make an incredible sub for many teams (most notably A. Ra.). Unfortunately I'm missing Cleopatra to evo her, but her dungeon should hopefully rotate around soon.

The Dragon Knight Girls are standard Technical dungeons now, right after Ancient Dragons and War Dragons.

[Quietus]

Hey man! Miss you!

Isis is awesome. Her awoken form is pretty amazing. :smallbiggrin:

In other news...

Ult GrOnia got improved a bit - making her row-focused instead of a random single prong in there. No other buffs in sight.

The REM Valkyries are now better leaders than the Heroes, so that's cool. :smallbiggrin:


Uh, UGronia's LS got switched to match UBonia. Before: 1.5x ATK for 2+ wood combos; After: 1.5x for matching 5+ wood orbs in one combo.

EDIT: Incidentally, the 1.5x for 5+ orbs means making a row is 14x for paired Gronia/Bonias before rowhances. Which is a far cry above Ronia's 9x for 6+ combos.

Yeah, I'm pretty happy about the Gronia buff. I now regret having made the decision to sell my dupe Gronia, because unfortunately she's basically the only good sub for her. I would have loved to eventually been able to field a full Gronia team, but I think I'm probably okay just keeping the one for green row teams. Not that I can think of a lot of good green row leaders...

[Otravyat]

Yuria was someone I was thinking about buying. I'm sitting on 350k MP, and with the recent Saria pull (and my current box box of Gods with Light Rows), I was thinking about making the Yuria purchase to use to replace my RSonia team for easy mode farming.


I'd definitely run that team. Yuria lead, Saria sub, and then any other light rows that don't consume hearts. I'd also consider leading a friend Saria instead of friend Yuria at times when you need tanky. You still get 25x but suddenly add in 2x HP.