I need help for a pc

[Nosta]

I'm going to be joining a high power campaign soon
and I'd like to know what gestalt build
I will be wearing golem armor
and I like to know what would be the best two classes you
also I like to know is there a sword that would compliment the armor

[Gavinfoxx]

You will want to be some sort of spellcaster in a high power campaign.

What spellcaster class are you using?

[Acanous]

oh goodie, you're playing Gestalt.

You will want casting. There are a lot of high-powered combinations, but anything that begins with Druid, Wizard, or Cleric will put you into the realm of overpower.

Consider going L/N Druid//Monk for early game. They actually pair very well.

Sorc//Warlock actually works well too. Plan there to go Rainbow Warsnake (Google it) and either Mailman or Mage of the Arcane Order on your sorc side.

Finally, there is no better time to theurge than when gestalting, so Wizard//Druid into master specialist//Lion of Talisid into Arcane Hierophant//whatever the heck you want really. Once you're theurging, you can sack caster levels on one side without losing any caster levels, so classes that are otherwise poor choices become good ones.

[Inevitability]

The definition of 'high power' seems to vary wildly. Could you give examples of what cheese is allowed?

How experienced is the DM? Does he/she frequent these forums?

[Flickerdart]

The general wisdom for gestalt is that the action economy becomes your bottleneck. A wizard//sorcerer still only has one standard action with which to cast. Select a class that gives active abilities (such as cleric, who casts spells) and a class that provides passive bonuses (such as monk, who has AC bonus, immunities, bonus feats, good saves, etc).

[Lhurgyof]

oh goodie, you're playing Gestalt.

You will want casting. There are a lot of high-powered combinations, but anything that begins with Druid, Wizard, or Cleric will put you into the realm of overpower.

Consider going L/N Druid//Monk for early game. They actually pair very well.

Sorc//Warlock actually works well too. Plan there to go Rainbow Warsnake (Google it) and either Mailman or Mage of the Arcane Order on your sorc side.

Finally, there is no better time to theurge than when gestalting, so Wizard//Druid into master specialist//Lion of Talisid into Arcane Hierophant//whatever the heck you want really. Once you're theurging, you can sack caster levels on one side without losing any caster levels, so classes that are otherwise poor choices become good ones.

I thought you couldn't level a PrC and another class in Gestalt? Or at least not a Theurge one and anything else? :smallconfused:

[Âmesang]

Wasn't there some sort of chaos monk variant? If so, be a barbarian//monk… that way you can go Super Saiyan rage while you flurry with the best HD, saves, and BaB.

I imagine a sorcerer//OA samurai/iaijutsu master with a paladin dip could prove interesting.

[(Un)Inspired]

Wasn't there some sort of chaos monk variant? If so, be a barbarian//monk… that way you can go Super Saiyan rage while you flurry with the best HD, saves, and BaB.

I imagine a sorcerer//OA samurai/iaijutsu master with a paladin dip could prove interesting.

This is a really good point. In a high powered gestalt game you want something strong like a monk or a barbarian. Anything with spells is gonna be so weak it'll just get you kill. And just hope to god you can find a sword that'll match your golem armor. It's your only chance.

[Flickerdart]

I thought you couldn't level a PrC and another class in Gestalt? Or at least not a Theurge one and anything else? :smallconfused:
You can't level two PrCs at once, and you can't take a theurge class. Wizard on one side and Druid + PrCs on the other is legit.

[nedz]

Golem armour sort of implies that you want a front line combatant. This being heavy armour precludes arcane casting and also Druid.
This means that you want Cleric, or similar, as your casting class.
This also stops many options on the passive side, like Monk, from being viable.

Fighter // Cleric would be a reasonable start since Fighter gets you full BAB and some feats. You will want to dump Fighter for something better quite soon though.

Alternatively:

Knight // Cleric would also work. Knight is a Tank type class which doesn't multi-class or PrC too well. This will leave you free to PrC out of Cleric on the other side.
Knight 20 // Cleric 5 / Some PrC would be the way to go here.


Sorc//Warlock actually works well too. Plan there to go Rainbow Warsnake (Google it) and either Mailman or Mage of the Arcane Order on your sorc side.

I think you mean Warmage not Warlock.

[Zancloufer]

The best Gestalts, as has been said, is something with Full Casting + something with a lot of passives, or a Full BAB class. Also helps to have classes that gain a benefit from the casting stat of the one half of your gestalt. Good choices IMO:

Wizard or Psion//Warblade. Full Int based caster on full BAB 12HD chasis, good saves all around and the Warblade gets millage from the Int synergy.

Paladin//Sorcerer. Bit more MAD, but depending on books and play style you might like it more than the first.

Druid or Cleric//Monk. Monk is really good at not dying. Stack that on a class that can actually do stuff. IIRC cleric has more Prc support, but the base druid works a little better. (Be a bear and beat people to death with your BEAR hands.)

Factotum//Wizard or Psion works well iirc.

If Dark Chaos Shuffle cheese doesn't get a DMG thrown at your, Fighter// Any full caster. Turn those free proficients/feats into casting ones, and get a better HD/BAB (Saves?) to boot.

[JBarca]

The best Gestalts, as has been said, is something with Full Casting + something with a lot of passives, or a Full BAB class. Also helps to have classes that gain a benefit from the casting stat of the one half of your gestalt. Good choices IMO:

Psion//Warblade. Full Int based caster on full BAB 12HD chasis, good saves all around and the Warblade gets millage from the Int synergy.


Since OP is clearly interested in wearing heavy armor, this is probably your best bet. Proficient with the armor and your casting isn't impeded by it in any way. Then you have your powerful side (Psion) unimpeded, and your passive/situational side (Warblade) providing a great chassis.

EDIT: Oh. Warblades aren't actually proficient with heavy armor. Start with two levels of Fighter then, probably. Grab those extra feats and, as was suggested earlier, DCS them (or keep them; two Fighter Bonus Feats can be put to good use on just about any build). This'll leave you with ML 20 and IL 19 by 20th. After that, I don't have a lot of suggestions. I'm not overly familiar with Epic.

[Acanous]

I thought you couldn't level a PrC and another class in Gestalt? Or at least not a Theurge one and anything else? :smallconfused:

Gestalt is in itself a homebrew set of rules based on an idea in a book. Much is dependent on your DM, and in the forums it's usually "You may only PrC on one side". That's not actually stated in UA.

[Flickerdart]

Gestalt is in itself a homebrew set of rules based on an idea in a book. Much is dependent on your DM, and in the forums it's usually "You may only PrC on one side". That's not actually stated in UA.
Except it is.
"A gestalt character can’t combine two prestige classes at any level, although it’s okay to combine a prestige class and a regular class. Prestige classes that are essentially class combinations-such as the arcane trickster, mystic theurge, and eldritch knight-should be prohibited if you’re using gestalt classes"