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cupkeyk
2007-06-04, 10:06 AM
I am making a Strongheart Halfling Master Thrower-Whisperknife. My problem is althought I can fit all the levels within the twenty levels, I can't seen to decide which classes I will take first. I realize that I want to abuse my absurd number of volley attacks with being able to flank while wielding a throwing dagger. So far my build looks like this:
Level Class Feat
Strong Heart Halfling Point Blank Shot
1 Swashbuckler 1 Weapon Finesse(free), Weapon Focus (Dagger)
2 Rogue 1
3 Rogue 2 Quickdraw
4 Urban Ranger 1 Urban Tracking (free)
5 Urban Ranger 2 Two Weapon Fighting (free)
6 Whisperknife1 Rapid Shot (free), Precise Shot
7 Master Thrower 1 (Quickdraw retrained in favor of empty slot)
8 Whisperknife 2
9 Whisperknife 3 Improved Two Weapon Fighting
10 Whisperknife 4
11 Whisperknife 5
12 Whisperknife 6 Greater Two Weapon Fighting
13 Whisperknife 7
14 Whisperknife 8
15 Whisperknife 9 empty slot
16 Whisperknife 10
17 Master Thrower 2
18 Master Thrower 3 empty slot
19 Master Thrower 4
20 Master Thrower 5

I will need help rearranging the levels so I am not gimping myself at any level. Also, it would be awesome of you guys could populate my empty feats slots, I am thinking grenadier and mad alchemist? LOLz

Am I better off with a third level of rogue and access to Dungeonscape's Penetrating Strike substitution level than a level of Swashbuckler (Rog3 URgr2 WK10 MT5) or the two levels of Urban Ranger (Rog4 Swash1 or Rog2 Swash 3 for Insightful Strike), since I have a surplus of feat slots anyway?

Yechezkiel
2007-06-04, 12:08 PM
You shouldn't be able to grab Greater TWF at lvl 12, the BAB requirement is +11.

The Mormegil
2007-06-05, 10:42 AM
1: explain what Whisperknife is, please
2: 3rd level Swashbuckler is better: you have a lot of touch attacks that add Int to damage and so bypass Master Thrower's limitation.

Vaniel
2007-06-05, 11:17 AM
Personally, I wouldn't go past the Vengeful Strike ability. How many occasions will you actually know the name of your ennemy?

I'd rather scrap a few levels of something to take Swash 3.

As noticed, before me, you can't have Greater Weapon Fighting at 12th level.

I'd try and get Master Thrower levels before Whiperknife, so you don't have to lose a feat to gain QuickDraw when Master Thrower already gives it to you.

EDIT: You also don't have Point Blank Shot to even enter Master Thrower

cupkeyk
2007-06-05, 06:47 PM
The whisperknife is a prestige clas in Races of the Wild that improves upon a halflings bonuses to thrown weapons, it makes daggers enchanted with the returning ability return within the same round instead of the following round as many as two times per round. It's best ability is ranged flank, which allows them to flank creatures within their throwing range. I think, as this is from the top of my head.


You shouldn't be able to grab Greater TWF at lvl 12, the BAB requirement is +11.

Yes I can, both whisperknife and master thrower are at fighter BAB progression so my two rogue levels only pull me back by one BAB lower than my Character level. ^_^ Rog2 +1, Rgr2 +2, Swash1 +1 WK 6 +6, MT1 +1 is +11 BAB

About Point Blank Shot, I took it as my racial bonus feat.

I am now fancying the Thug variant of the Fighter from UA instead of the rogue levels, so I can get the +1 BAB and the +1d6 SA with a single level dip, access Whisperknife by level 5 and Master thrower at 6. If I never get the tenth level of Whisperknife and the second level of rogue I can later add two more levels of swashbuckler or maybe two levels of Invisible Blade.

Vaniel
2007-06-05, 09:31 PM
Oh really? Must have miscalculated the BAB.

Didn't see the Point Blank Shot, my bad.

Teilos
2007-06-06, 05:08 PM
Which MT tricks do you want to use? If you go for volley attacks, sneack attack won't be the big deal. Whisperknife is not that great at all:

- sneak attack counts only once for each volley
- superior catch is limited to way to few uses per round
- vengefull strike needs a standard action and your build is based on making full attacks
- ranged flank is not that important, if your sneak attack is only a small part of your damage

I suggest you use only 3 whisperknife levels. Maybe a few more at the end of your build, if there is nothing else left.

The key of thrower builds are the superior chances to hit with the MT5 trick weak spot. You can use Power Throw (requires Power Attack and Brutal Throw) to change this chance to hit into damage. Together with your large number of attacks you can get decent damage. 4 levels fighter for weapon specialisation and needed feats as well as 3 levels of swash will also help(ask your DM if this kind of damage counts for both damage rolls of the volley; you might have problems because it is precision damage).

You definately want to use halfling skiprocks. If you are still in need of feats, take two levels Psi warior.

Your build won't be that good until you reach MT 5. Get it asap. At the first levels use Power Attack (which you choose as a prerequisite anyway) and take a two handed weapon. This will not be great, but it is something for the first 5 or 6 levels. Before MT 1 you will not throw anything anyway.

You can get some inspiration here:
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42006

Unless your DM houserules some item, which makes your thrown weapons magic, you will have to rely mainly on personal boosters. The cost of enchanting one dozen darts or more is way to high (and superior catch will reduce this only by 2, so this does not change much).

Skiprocks are treated as amunition and therefore your wizard friend can make 50 of them magic at a time (compared to only one thrown weapon, which is the usual standard).

You will also need some extradimensional space or a riding dog to carry all those stones around :)

EDIT: Ofc, this gives a lot less skill points. So if you wanted to create a skill monkey, you better stick to your build.

cupkeyk
2007-06-07, 09:35 AM
Is it not true that if I flank my opponent, all my attacks are sneak attacks? I guess the fact that the ability comes so late makers it not that useful.

Basically I want to increase the number of attacks I make per round: Palm throw, two in one without compromising accuracy: weak spot.

I had wanted to dumpstat my str though. Hmmmn...