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2015-11-29, 06:07 PM
Do changelings qualify for Warshaper?
Do changelings qualify for Warshaper?
Arguably yes. Of course asking that question is probably going to lead this thread to descending into a flaming ball of hate.
Arguably yes. Of course asking that question is probably going to lead this thread to descending into a flaming ball of hate.What's arguable? Are there people who argue that changelings don't have the shapechanger subtype? Or are they arguing that changelings can't get +4 BAB? Because both of those arguments seem obviously wrong.
What's arguable? Are there people who argue that changelings don't have the shapechanger subtype? Or are they arguing that changelings can't get +4 BAB? Because both of those arguments seem obviously wrong.
It would probably be more the "a form other than their own" bit, combined with being based off of disguise self rather than alter self or some other form change.
It would probably be more the "a form other than their own" bit, combined with being based off of disguise self rather than alter self or some other form change.
Except the changeling ability actually changes its body to another form. It's Alter Self without any special abilities granted due to the new form.
Except the changeling ability actually changes its body to another form. It's Alter Self without any special abilities granted due to the new form.
Except that it is disguise self with actual physical changes, rather than alter self without abilities.
Changelings have the supernatural ability to alter their appearance as though using a disguise self spell that affects their bodies but not their possessions.
There is a difference, and because of that some DMs may believe that changelings do not qualify as being in a form that is not their own. For the record, I'm not saying that changelings do not, merely trying to point out the reasoning to Troacctid about why they may not, depending on DM view.
There is only one question that you have to ask to see if changelings qualify: Does your body change into a different form?
The answer is unequivocably "yes." Any answer that is not "yes" is demonstrably wrong.
Demonstrably wrong or not, it is a conclusion that can be reached from what is written, and that is what I was trying to point out.
Anyone else wanting to get this out do it here rather than in the other thread.
Do changelings qualify for Warshaper?
Arguably yes. Of course asking that question is probably going to lead this thread to descending into a flaming ball of hate.
Arguably yes. Of course asking that question is probably going to lead this thread to descending into a flaming ball of hate.What's arguable? Are there people who argue that changelings don't have the shapechanger subtype? Or are they arguing that changelings can't get +4 BAB? Because both of those arguments seem obviously wrong.
What's arguable? Are there people who argue that changelings don't have the shapechanger subtype? Or are they arguing that changelings can't get +4 BAB? Because both of those arguments seem obviously wrong.
It would probably be more the "a form other than their own" bit, combined with being based off of disguise self rather than alter self or some other form change.
It would probably be more the "a form other than their own" bit, combined with being based off of disguise self rather than alter self or some other form change.
Except the changeling ability actually changes its body to another form. It's Alter Self without any special abilities granted due to the new form.
Except the changeling ability actually changes its body to another form. It's Alter Self without any special abilities granted due to the new form.
Except that it is disguise self with actual physical changes, rather than alter self without abilities.
Changelings have the supernatural ability to alter their appearance as though using a disguise self spell that affects their bodies but not their possessions.
There is a difference, and because of that some DMs may believe that changelings do not qualify as being in a form that is not their own. For the record, I'm not saying that changelings do not, merely trying to point out the reasoning to Troacctid about why they may not, depending on DM view.
There is only one question that you have to ask to see if changelings qualify: Does your body change into a different form?
The answer is unequivocably "yes." Any answer that is not "yes" is demonstrably wrong.
Demonstrably wrong or not, it is a conclusion that can be reached from what is written, and that is what I was trying to point out.
Anyone else wanting to get this out do it here rather than in the other thread.