Would you allow a L3 Lore Bard to take Thieves' Tools as one of their proficiencies?

[Shining Wrath]

I ask because the bard in question is a DMPC; my little girl and I are playing through HotDQ and I'm running a bard and a life cleric to make her sorcerer, ranger, and monk look good. I don't want to cheat on my own behalf, but no one knows how to pick locks and it keeps coming up.

[MightyDog16]

It's not game-breaking and it would make the game more fun so why not?

[bid]

Tools and languages can be learned during downtime, skills cannot. You're downgrading yourself for more fun, it's a worthy goal. :smallwink:

[Talyn]

Our group considers skills, tool proficiencies, and languages interchangeable. We'd 100% allow it.

[Shining Wrath]

Our group considers skills, tool proficiencies, and languages interchangeable. We'd 100% allow it.

Yeah, there's a solid feat-based argument for that; Linguist gives you 3 languages, Skilled, 3 feats skill.

If Skilled gave you 3 feats it would be as good as a DM that let you wish for more wishes on a ring of 3 wishes.

"I want Sentinel, Polearm Master, and ... Skilled! Then I want Great Weapon Master, Alert, and ... Skilled!"

[AvatarVecna]

Yeah, there's a solid feat-based argument for that; Linguist gives you 3 languages, Skilled, 3 feats.

Skilled gives you either three skills or three tools, so there's precedent there as well.

[Shining Wrath]

Skilled gives you either three skills or three tools, so there's precedent there as well.

And if you notice, every background gives you a total of two languages and / or tools, so there's precedent there.

[Mr.Moron]

Why not? Seems fair to me.

[coredump]

I ask because the bard in question is a DMPC; my little girl and I are playing through HotDQ and I'm running a bard and a life cleric to make her sorcerer, ranger, and monk look good. I don't want to cheat on my own behalf, but no one knows how to pick locks and it keeps coming up.

I think you are looking at this *completely* wrong. You are playing a game with just you and your young daughter. Don't be so concerned about what is exactly RAW or precisely balanced. Its not like you are getting 2 extra attacks and a Holy Avenger. Play, have fun....

[djreynolds]

Doesn't urchin and criminal give you thieves' tool proficiency. Skilled feat is 3 of your choice, any.

I say just change your background around and go custom.

[SharkForce]

technically not RAW, but i'd allow it anyways as it is unlikely to break anything.

that said, you don't *need* proficiency (especially as a bard). it just helps to have it.

[Shining Wrath]

I think you are looking at this *completely* wrong. You are playing a game with just you and your young daughter. Don't be so concerned about what is exactly RAW or precisely balanced. Its not like you are getting 2 extra attacks and a Holy Avenger. Play, have fun....

I didn't think anyone was going to complain, exactly :smallsmile: If it'd been someone else I'd have allowed it, but it's always nice to check yourself from time to time.