Demons are cat people/Devils are dog people (not literally)

[TheCrowing1432]

So I was making up a characters backstory, a tibbit warlock. His backstory is that his ancestors were once familiars to demons and exposure to that demonic energy over the generations seeped into their genes unlocking their warlock abilities.

Upon coming up with this backstory, I realized that Demons as creatures of chaos would adore cats for their independent nature, even though people keep them as "pets" cats most of the time have freedom to do whatever they want and cant be commanded.

Inversely, I thought that Devils would love dogs for their loyalty and structure and the ability to be commanded.


So with these two thoughts in mind, the blood war becomes a lot more hilarious if you think about it in terms of cats vs dogs.

[yellowrocket]

Ever seen the movie? That's a purrfect metaphor.

Philosophically I think that may be one of the best way to explain the difference between the two groups. A demon will do as it is forced to by a higher power, but more and will always retain a strong independent streak.

[Inevitability]

I dunno. Rakshasas are LE, aren't they?

[Andezzar]

I dunno. Rakshasas are LE, aren't they?Yeah, but they are tigers. Tigers aren't often associated with a capricious nature as house cats are.

I like that train of thought by the way. Too bad the actual devils don't conform to that idea there are hell hounds and hellcats.

[Graypairofsocks]

Despite the name, the hellcat is shaped like a Lion.
It is also a type of devil, and may not count as an actual big cat.

[Andezzar]

Hell hounds aren't fire breathing dogs either. Like the hellcat it is an outsider with the Lawful, Evil and Extraplanar subtypes. Contrary to the Hellcat it also has the Fire subtype.

[Inevitability]

Yeah, but they are tigers. Tigers aren't often associated with a capricious nature as house cats are.

Rakshasa's do often have housecats as pets, though.

[Spore]

So I was making up a characters backstory, a tibbit warlock. His backstory is that his ancestors were once familiars to demons and exposure to that demonic energy over the generations seeped into their genes unlocking their warlock abilities.

I see your approach to the chaotic part of demons but being a warlock isn't genetic. It is usually by choice. Of course you can refluff that but as a fan of a more classical approach to fantasy the word cloud "genes" bothers me immensely. Of course there are exotic sourcebooks where cancer is even categorized as a disease and that is ultimatively bound to genes but I just prefer words like heritage.

Contracted bloodlines feels very devilish and nothing like a demon but tainting your bloodline to the point where everyone in your line has a bond to the Abyss is however very demonlike. Remember that CE isn't about ultimate freedom. It is also about surviving in an order where everyone tries to take each other's share of the pie.

[Andezzar]

I wonder if hound archons have dogs as pets.

.o(Tibetan Temple Dogs perhaps) Sorry wrong universe.

[Red Fel]

Counter arguments:

https://crustula.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/blofeld.jpg

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/9/93/Blofeld_and_his_infamous_white_cat.jpg

http://static.celebuzz.com/uploads/2012/11/14/bigglesworth-cat-movie-630x354.jpg

Particularly the second one.

[Chronos]

Personally, I rule that while animals are too simple-minded to be good or evil, they can be lawful or chaotic, and that dogs are usually lawful while cats are usually chaotic.

[Inevitability]

Personally, I rule that while animals are too simple-minded to be good or evil, they can be lawful or chaotic, and that dogs are usually lawful while cats are usually chaotic.

That seems a bit arbitrary. The choice between Law and Chaos is just as complicated as the one between Good and Evil.

[Âmesang]

Aww, I was hoping for a picture of Dr. Claw from Inspector Gadget. :smallfrown: I also remember Rugal Bernstein from The King of Fighters had a pet panther, though I'm not sure if I'd classify him as lawful or chaotic. A psychotic gentleman?

[MisterKaws]

I see your approach to the chaotic part of demons but being a warlock isn't genetic. It is usually by choice. Of course you can refluff that but as a fan of a more classical approach to fantasy the word cloud "genes" bothers me immensely. Of course there are exotic sourcebooks where cancer is even categorized as a disease and that is ultimatively bound to genes but I just prefer words like heritage.

Contracted bloodlines feels very devilish and nothing like a demon but tainting your bloodline to the point where everyone in your line has a bond to the Abyss is however very demonlike. Remember that CE isn't about ultimate freedom. It is also about surviving in an order where everyone tries to take each other's share of the pie.


First line of the Warlock's description:


Born of a supernatural bloodline, a warlock seeks to master the perilous magic that suffuses his soul.


I think you should re-read the warlock's text for a bit.

[Spore]

That seems a bit arbitrary. The choice between Law and Chaos is just as complicated as the one between Good and Evil.

All alignment debates are arbitary because we refer to an imaginary system of morals. I'd say though that the dog's pack mentality and a cat's desire for freedom aren't so strong as to go toe to toe with a lawful or chaotic human(oid).

[The Insanity]

Counter arguments:

https://crustula.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/blofeld.jpg

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/jamesbond/images/9/93/Blofeld_and_his_infamous_white_cat.jpg

http://static.celebuzz.com/uploads/2012/11/14/bigglesworth-cat-movie-630x354.jpg

Particularly the second one.
Counter (https://youtu.be/VlS2VpnfTtA?t=173) arguments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1KW3ZkLtuo).

[Red Fel]

Counter (https://youtu.be/VlS2VpnfTtA?t=173) arguments (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1KW3ZkLtuo).

Objection!

Exhibit 1 was merely of a cat - an admittedly Evil cat, which nobody can deny - exercising a self-preservation instinct in the presence of horrifying explosives. This is not a trait unique to Chaos or Law.

Exhibit 2 was funny as hell. Nine of them, to be precise. QED, Devils.

[Endarire]

This is why I dislike alignments in D&D. They make as much sense (from my objective standpoint) as "Catotic Evil" and "Dogful Good."

[Chronos]

Oh, come on, Mouse from the Dresden Files is totally Dogful Good.

[TheCrowing1432]

I see your approach to the chaotic part of demons but being a warlock isn't genetic. It is usually by choice. Of course you can refluff that but as a fan of a more classical approach to fantasy the word cloud "genes" bothers me immensely. Of course there are exotic sourcebooks where cancer is even categorized as a disease and that is ultimatively bound to genes but I just prefer words like heritage.

Contracted bloodlines feels very devilish and nothing like a demon but tainting your bloodline to the point where everyone in your line has a bond to the Abyss is however very demonlike. Remember that CE isn't about ultimate freedom. It is also about surviving in an order where everyone tries to take each other's share of the pie.


Erm, Both Sorcerers and Warlocks cite ancestry as the source of their powers. Furthermore, Tibbits cite that they were the offspring of familiars, so I feel all of this ties together really well.


First line of the Warlock's description:




I think you should re-read the warlock's text for a bit.

Thank you

[TheCrowing1432]

Personally, I rule that while animals are too simple-minded to be good or evil, they can be lawful or chaotic, and that dogs are usually lawful while cats are usually chaotic.


That seems a bit arbitrary. The choice between Law and Chaos is just as complicated as the one between Good and Evil.


All alignment debates are arbitary because we refer to an imaginary system of morals. I'd say though that the dog's pack mentality and a cat's desire for freedom aren't so strong as to go toe to toe with a lawful or chaotic human(oid).

I think you guys missed my point. I wasnt saying the animals themselves are these alignments. I was saying the creatures that like these animals might see the way they act and attribute them to their own personalities. (IE Demons being chaotic, see chaos in cats, Devils being lawful, see lawness in dogs)

Dogs/Cats with advanced intelligence, like the mentioned Hellcats/dogs or creatures like sphinxes, are different.