Triple 9's???

[LordOfCain]

Favored Discipline (Magic) StP Erudite 9/Warblade 1/Ur-Priest 1/Psionic Theurge 9
Any opinions?

[Yuki Akuma]

I only see two 9s and a 5.

You need to buff your Initiator level more. At the moment it's only 10.

Your Ur-Priest caster level is also pretty terrible. Wouldn't this have worked better with an arcane spellcasting class and Mystic Theurge?

[LordOfCain]

I only see two 9s and a 5.

You need to buff your Initiator level more. At the moment it's only 10.

Your Ur-Priest caster level is also pretty terrible. Wouldn't this have worked better with an arcane spellcasting class and Mystic Theurge?
Um... 9 levels of StP Erudite + 9 Levels of Mystic Theurge = 18 = 9th Level Powers and due to StP and Favored Discipline (Magic) Lets him cast 9th level Arcane spells.
1 Level of Ur-Priest + 9 Levels of Mystic Theurge = 10 = 9th Level Divine Spells

[ExLibrisMortis]

'Magic' is not a discipline, not even 'arcane magic' or just 'transmutation'. You can't pick it as favoured discipline, so you can't learn 9th-level spells as powers.

[LordOfCain]

'Magic' is not a discipline, not even 'arcane magic' or just 'transmutation'. You can't pick it as favoured discipline, so you can't learn 9th-level spells as powers.


'You treat the spell as a discipline power for the basis of learning it, and you must first succeed on a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + the spell's level) and then a Psicraft check as per the normal rules of learning a discipline power (see page 154 of Complete Psionic).
Um... Looks like it is a discipline... You could also use the Mantled Erudite ACF as is discussed in this thread. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?149226-Making-the-Spell-to-Power-Erudite)

[LordOfCain]

So this would work right?

[ExLibrisMortis]

Um... Looks like it is a discipline... You could also use the Mantled Erudite ACF as is discussed in this thread. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?149226-Making-the-Spell-to-Power-Erudite)
It says you treat it as a discipline power, but it doesn't say in what discipline, and it doesn't say that arcane spells make up a discipline of their own. So unless you can take Favoured Discipline (unspecified), it just doesn't work. The Mantled Erudite ACF doesn't work for this either, you're not trying to qualify for PrCs, you're trying to learn 9th-level spells without running into the 'learn spells of one level lower than the highest-level power you can manifest' or whatever the exact wording is.

[LordOfCain]

It says you treat it as a discipline power, but it doesn't say in what discipline, and it doesn't say that arcane spells make up a discipline of their own. So unless you can take Favoured Discipline (unspecified), it just doesn't work. The Mantled Erudite ACF doesn't work for this either, you're not trying to qualify for PrCs, you're trying to learn 9th-level spells without running into the 'learn spells of one level lower than the highest-level power you can manifest' or whatever the exact wording is.

Well you could use some levels of Mystic Theurge to advance the arcane spell casting? Um... Not sure.

[Yuki Akuma]

Well you could use some levels of Mystic Theurge to advance the arcane spell casting? Um... Not sure.

No you couldn't. This build doesn't contain any arcane spellcasting at all.

[LordOfCain]

No you couldn't. This build doesn't contain any arcane spellcasting at all.

With the magic mantle and spell to power erudite.

[Troacctid]

With the magic mantle and spell to power erudite.

The Magic Mantle doesn't make psionic powers count as spells, arcane or otherwise. Even if it did, Mystic Theurge still doesn't advance power points per day, powers known, or manifester level.

[LordOfCain]

The Magic Mantle doesn't make psionic powers count as spells, arcane or otherwise. Even if it did, Mystic Theurge still doesn't advance power points per day, powers known, or manifester level.

Don't really know. My original idea sort of worked. Depends on your interpretation of Spells to Power.

[atemu1234]

Getting to StP Erudite 10 / Ur-Priest 2 / Psychic Theurge 8 gets you basically triple nines. Ninth level arcane, divine and psionics.

[Zombulian]

Getting to StP Erudite 10 / Ur-Priest 2 / Psychic Theurge 8 gets you basically triple nines. Ninth level arcane, divine and psionics.

Basically being the key word here.

[Aliek]

My 'dirty trick' for triple nines made easy -

First be an Elan Psion

Around level 15-17, get a friendly wizard to help you out(Or dominate one, but that's a bit harder). Psychic reformation him into the Reserves of Strength feat, this works with the conservative interpretation of it, get him to cast Polymorph Any Object and turn yourself permanently into a Black Ethergaunt(from Fiend Folio). They cast as wizard 17s.

For the cleric spells, summon a Solar, mindrape him into submission and use Eberron Campaign Setting rules for celestial channeling(p.102) which says "A channeling mortal can use the celestial's supernatural and spell-like abilities and can cast spells known to the celestial if his or her requisite ability scores are enough."

You could probably do it sooner with Ardent shenanigans, or with even more 'free' levels.

[Vaz]

Warblade 3/Ardent 2/Ur Priest 2/Psychic Theurge 3/Nar Demonbinder 1/Mystic Theurge 3/Cerebremancer 3/Warblade +1

Warblade can be replaced by Crusader if you prefer (but not Swordsage), and if you allow Adaptations, the Ebon Phoenix Mage replacing the last Warblade level is better, IMHO. If you're going epic, you can take Legacy Champion in place of Warblade, and take Warblade as - I'll explain why below. You need Practised Manifester, Practised Spellcaster, any one of the Dragon Compendium Feats to suit your fancy and Versatile Spellcaster. You should have enough feat slots to take them, but I cannot remember if you need human to take them in time without Flaws. Ardent must take Magic Mantle, and be prepared to use the totally non-RAI reading of it that treats psionics as non-denominational spellcasting and vice versa, and this allows both Practised Manifester and Spellcaster to apply to Ardent. Finally, you'll need the Orange Prism Ioun Stone for the +1 Caster Level. For extra power, just request as part of your backstory that there was an Epic Spell to Power Erudite who had succeeded in transforming all known spells to powers somewhere in the setting. It doesn't even have to be on the same plane, just the same setting, and it can be past or present because of Teleport Through Time. Epic Powers are treated as Epic Spells, and Epic Spells are treated as 10th level spells, ergo, Epic StP Erudite picks up 9th level spells. Divine Spells become Arcane Spells by Wyrm Wizard, and Arcane become Spells by Spell to Power Erudite.

You are left at ECL 20 with Initiator Level 12, Ardent 17 Manifesting, Ur Priest 8, Nar Demonbinder 7. Provided you have Wisdom and Charisma of 26 or higher, you get 2 8th level spell slots for both your Ur Priest and Nar Demonbinder casting, which lets you use Versatile Spellcaster to gain any 9th level spell you know. This is explicitly a spell known from the Bloodline feat, although depending on your reading, any spell from the Cleric 9th list. Ardent casting is based on Manifester level, 2 base, 8 from the combined interaction of Practised Manifester and Spellcaster with Magic Mantle, 1 from the Orange Ioun Stone, and 6 from the Cerebremancer and Psychic Theurge levels.

You have 3 Mantles which you can pick and choose powers from - including 2 8th level powers. As Magic Mantle is one of your Mantles, you can use Substitute Power ACF to replace the powers known. Because Epic StP Erudite exists in setting have made all Spells to Power, you can select any other these to be on your mantle, up to and including 9th level. At ECL19, when you become Ardent 17 effectively for power selection, you'll know 2 8th level powers, and 1 9th level powers. Choose the 9th level power well, as you cannot get another one of these without Psychic Reformation (available via Limited Wish or Bend Reality, if you do not select PsiRef as a Power Known). For your 8th level power, choose the spells to powers to be the Embrace and Shun the Dark Chaos feats. As a Nar Demonbinder, you get an otherwise useless Familiar that provides you with Alertness when within 5ft. Feel free to Dark Chaos Shuffle all day long, and get any feats you desire, including Expanded Knowledge, which lets you learn any 8th level or lower power (and by that virtue, any spell, arcane or divine).

If you're going to Epic levels, Legacy Champion lets you advance your Warblade by +1 Initiator Level for each level, and as non Initiator class itself, it advances by +0.5 per level. To get you Initiator level to 17, you'll need 6 levels - in other words, 4 levels of Legacy Champion, so by level 25, you get Quad 9th's.

If it's just a matter of casting off of any spell-list, you'll get it easier out of a Spell to Erudite, Mantled Wilder, Psion or Dominant Time Mantled Ardent 10/Slayer 10 (in my personal preference of least powerful to most powerful, albeit relative), using the above routine, possibly going as far as maximising your divination/people finding skills to locate a Wyrm Wizard.