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AkazilliaDeNaro
2016-01-27, 08:29 PM
Lets play a game called, "How do you kill a God?".

Here is the setup.

A Non-Terrestrial Entity, who we will call NTE, will be invading Earth in 10 years time.

You must use weapons and technology that are currently available to Earth, to fight off NTE.

NTE is approximately 6 ft. tall, humanoid, and has no need for air, sleep, or nourishment.

NTE's body is made of plasma(i.e. superheated air.) contained in a magnetic field, created from a 1 inch sphere in the center of its chest.

So long as this sphere is intact NTE cannot die.

NTE has a 360° field of view, can see the entire electromagnetic spectrum, and has a reaction time of .03 nanoseconds.

NTE has no sense of hearing, smell or taste, as it has no orifices with which to experience those senses.

The lack of hearing does not impair its ability to understand sound waves, as it can just see the tiny changes in the atmosphere an interpret from there.

NTE has a constantly active ability that, for simplicity, we will call God's Domain or GD.

NTE's GD is a perfectly spherical aura that extends 300 miles from the center of its body.

It has has the following effects.

1. Nigh Omnipotence: Any thing, be it matter, antimatter, atoms, electrons, organic/non-organic compounds, etc. etc., other than its body generator, is subject to NTE's immediate control. While under NTE's control it (the thing/object) may be expanded (in defiance of the laws of thermodynamics), shaped or changed into any other form.

2. Nigh Omnipresence: NTE can see through any part of its GD, so long as a there is something to see through, effectively extending its range beyond its sphere.

NTE prefers the following tactics:

1. Shield: A 7 layer spherical shield around its body made of a material similar to graphene, each layer spins in a different direction and rate, than the others, and is 6 inches thick, with a 1 inch area between each later. If NTE's shield is breached NTE is capable of creating another body at a separate location, although it may only have one body "active" at a time.

2. Crush: NTE causes the materials in any threat to collapse into itself, as it prefers to not waste potential material.

NTE has the following goals: Subjugation and elimination of all life on the planet.


And that's it.
Lets see if anyone even cares enough to try.
Well what are you waiting for!

TICK TOCK!

Xihirli
2016-01-27, 11:14 PM
Weapons that have killed gods:

Mistletoe
Nails/Spear combo
Snake venom
Fire
Mjolnir
The hands of other gods
Kronos's Scythe
Avalanches
The Island of Sicily
Ragnarok
The Origin of Species

TheCountAlucard
2016-01-29, 08:34 AM
"Can influence or direct the behavior of objects, and only objects, within my 1,000-ft. bubble" is a far cry short of even semi-omnipotence.

The obvious solution is to leave him alone. He wants to land on Earth? That's fine. Eventually, he'll die of old age like the rest of us, since neither immortality nor any way of obtaining it is written in his power-set (nor would humanity be able to develop a piece of technology he could control that would make him immortal in the span of years you provided).

It seems I win your challenge with the least expended effort, because all I have to do is nothing.

Atomburster
2016-01-29, 09:03 AM
Beams of intense photons as well as relativistic particles seems to be the answer here. Other than than, no idea.

AkazilliaDeNaro
2016-01-29, 10:14 AM
"Can influence or direct the behavior of objects, and only objects, within my 1,000-ft. bubble" is a far cry short of even semi-omnipotence.

The obvious solution is to leave him alone. He wants to land on Earth? That's fine. Eventually, he'll die of old age like the rest of us, since neither immortality nor any way of obtaining it is written in his power-set (nor would humanity be able to develop a piece of technology he could control that would make him immortal in the span of years you provided).

It seems I win your challenge with the least expended effort, because all I have to do is nothing.

I seem to have forgotten to write in agelessness, oh well. You win this round, Saaaaataaan!

And an Atom is still technically an object, just a very small one.


Beams of intense photons as well as relativistic particles seems to be the answer here. Other than than, no idea.

Don't photons have to "ride" on other matter?


Weapons that have killed gods:

Mistletoe
Nails/Spear combo
Snake venom
Fire
Mjolnir
The hands of other gods
Kronos's Scythe
Avalanches
The Island of Sicily
Ragnarok
The Origin of Species

HA! Good one, But I don't think throwing a book at NTE is going to work.

Atomburster
2016-01-29, 10:19 AM
Don't photons have to "ride" on other matter?

Waves of photons don't have to, do they? Besides, they both move (and interact with matter) at speeds greater than he can possibly react to. (186,000 miles/s >>>>>>>>> 33,333feet/s)

braveheart
2016-01-29, 02:20 PM
Orbital bombardment, the projectile has an impact speed of ~ 10x the speed of sounds which is ~ 3400 m/s translate that to feet ~3.37 X so we now have 11458 feet/ seconds I it would be .08 seconds to get through the field darn so close.
I already did the math, so I'll just put it up anyway.
Then say we drop a hydrogen bomb just outside his field, the radiation, is too fast for him to control it, as is the heat. Repeat this process until this "god" is dead

TheCountAlucard
2016-01-30, 09:46 AM
And an Atom is still technically an object, just a very small one.I went to no less than four different dictionaries for the definition of "object." The very first given entry in each for "object" says, more or less, "a material thing that can be seen and touched." No, an atom is not an object.

(Semi-related, half of them further specified objects as "generally non-living," so since he's coming in from elsewhere, mundane bacteria might even be what finishes him off!)

Gamey Geemer
2016-01-31, 10:31 AM
As aging bacteria and the like have all been mentioned, just send in a small army of Kung fu masters to fight it nude.

It doesn't have any flying powers, can't manipulate people, and is only about 5x as good at reacting as a SINGLE Kung fu master.

So it wouldn't take to long at all before the army of naked men beat the ******* to death.

TheCountAlucard
2016-01-31, 06:40 PM
As aging bacteria and the like have all been mentioned, just send in a small army of Kung fu masters to fight it nude.

It doesn't have any flying powers, can't manipulate people, and is only about 5x as good at reacting as a SINGLE Kung fu master.

So it wouldn't take to long at all before the army of naked men beat the ******* to death.To be fair, the NTE can still manipulate the ground he's on, rocks, et cetera., so he could probably sling those around to some lethal effect. Plus, if he kills even one of them, then he's got an object he can use.

AkazilliaDeNaro
2016-01-31, 08:53 PM
I went to no less than four different dictionaries for the definition of "object." The very first given entry in each for "object" says, more or less, "a material thing that can be seen and touched." No, an atom is not an object.

(Semi-related, half of them further specified objects as "generally non-living," so since he's coming in from elsewhere, mundane bacteria might even be what finishes him off!)

We can stand here debating definitions all day, or... you could just accept that there is no word for what NTE can manipulate.

Matter doesn't work, because it can manipulate anti-matter.

It can also manipulate living things.


As aging bacteria and the like have all been mentioned, just send in a small army of Kung fu masters to fight it nude.

It doesn't have any flying powers, can't manipulate people, and is only about 5x as good at reacting as a SINGLE Kung fu master.

So it wouldn't take to long at all before the army of naked men beat the ******* to death.

I never said it couldn't affect other people.

What I said was it couldn't affect it's self.

And its 10x faster than the fastest recorded human reaction time.

Xihirli
2016-01-31, 11:23 PM
Well, it's simple. Summon a god with the same capabilities, but twice as much range and reaction speed.
Or shoot it with a one-hit-kill attack I happen to have for gods.
Or blow up the planet it's on, I don't think you mentioned "can survive the vacuum of space."
Get outside of its attack range and use all-energy attacks on it, that wouldn't be manipulated by it, and spam attack it until it's dead.
Or we could just rewrite the rules to suit us as we go, since that's now apparently a thing we can do. I define "object" as "only the Object in the Object forum," since you get to define "object" as something it isn't. So, since it's largely powerless, I'm going to just Meteor Swarm it to death.

TheCountAlucard
2016-02-01, 02:13 PM
We can stand here debating definitions all day, or... you could just accept that there is no word for what NTE can manipulate.

Matter doesn't work, because it can manipulate anti-matter.

It can also manipulate living things.You didn't include any of those, though. Obviously if you wanted it to manipulate those, you should have included them. Just because you can't say it all in one word doesn't mean the rest of us all have to turn into Espers and psionically intuit what you mean.


I never said it couldn't affect other people.No, you only said what it could affect was "objects."

You're doing it again. If you blatantly omit something from its description, we can't just assume that it has it anyway.

Gandariel
2016-02-01, 03:00 PM
1) find or build very powerful gun.
2) stand 1001 feet above him.
3) fire gun.
Gravity won't do much,but it can't hurt.

Win.
Now is there a gun that can shoot 1000ft in .03 seconds? I don't really know, but it's probably not that hard to build.

Other idea.

Poke him with high power lasers. Continuously, from every direction. Or just small particles from an accelerator.

I mean, given the rules the cheng is reduced to "find something that beats his reaction time, apply until you win"

AkazilliaDeNaro
2016-02-01, 05:35 PM
You didn't include any of those, though. Obviously if you wanted it to manipulate those, you should have included them. Just because you can't say it all in one word doesn't mean the rest of us all have to turn into Espers and psionically intuit what you mean.

No, you only said what it could affect was "objects."

You're doing it again. If you blatantly omit something from its description, we can't just assume that it has it anyway.

I honestly thought Objects would cover it though.

Do I have to update the Original Post


1) find or build very powerful gun.
2) stand 1001 feet above him.
3) fire gun.
Gravity won't do much,but it can't hurt.

Win.
Now is there a gun that can shoot 1000ft in .03 seconds? I don't really know, but it's probably not that hard to build.

Other idea.

Poke him with high power lasers. Continuously, from every direction. Or just small particles from an accelerator.

I mean, given the rules the cheng is reduced to "find something that beats his reaction time, apply until you win"

Actually, what i was going for was "find a place (most likely outer space) where he has no way of stopping attacks, and hit him with a big boom".

TheCountAlucard
2016-02-01, 05:46 PM
Do I have to update the Original PostWell, I already "killed" him in my first post here, so… maybe? Are you going to start a new challenge, or are people free to keep killing your so-called "god?"

AkazilliaDeNaro
2016-02-01, 06:51 PM
There i think I updated it enough to cover everything.

kingzerno
2016-02-02, 11:51 AM
By bombarding the living bejebus out of him. Overwhelm him. Yes he can control objects in his bubble, but no specified amount. He may be able to handle, 1, 10, 100, 1000...regardless of the number you overhwelm him.

He has no superspeed so take that at the average dnd walking speed of 30ft. It's going to take him a damned long time to travel the entire earth. (So potential old age death, you just rebuild behind him forcing him to repeat the cycle until he expires).

Whilst on his jounreys lay pre-prepared ambushes. Saturate the area with gun fire, bacteria, radiation, whilst directing EMP pulses at him. The EMP's disable his magnetic fields, shutting down his "body" leaving his core vulnerable.

Alternatively he directed his attentions to preventing the pulses, this leaves him vulnerable too all the over means of nastiness you have contrived to dump upon him.

At some point during a string of these attacks you'll get a sense of his manipulation abilities limits and can plan accordingly.

Alternatively. 1000 feet under the ground you attach giant booster rockets to the very Earth itself. Lure him there. Once in position fire the rockets, blasting the very rock into space. The force of gravity (not an object, but a force) will pin him securely to the rock preventing him from moving whilst he launches off towards the sun at a gajillion miles an hour.

Failing all of these you show him the futility of hsi ways and make him understand that he doesn;t need to destroy and that he should seek purpose in life.

ben-zayb
2016-03-06, 10:27 AM
Know where my strength lies and have my team successfully recruit the brightest physicist, engineers, psychologists, miilitary geniuses. Then successfully procure all resources and manpower/specialists those people need.

Dr.Gunsforhands
2016-03-06, 05:51 PM
For the purposes of the game, I'm assuming that the alien isn't here to be reasoned with. Its entire reason for being is to see whether we can kill it or not, after all. Really, it sounds like he's just asking for some kind of long-range EM disruption to mess up his plasma containment mechanism.

Presumably, the alien's 300-mile omnipotence radius depends on its gaseous body parts being arranged very precisely. A single pulse probably won't kill it, though; it'll shut it down briefly, but presumably his own gadgetry can reassemble the plasma body the instant the disruption passes. As such, engineering just has to suck it up and support a sufficiently focused and powerful beam of pulses and static for the weeks or months it will take to get a payload to its position. This also means building multiple ship-mounted platforms and rotating through them. Still, if we can assume that we're not worried about funding, international borders or pollution, we can probably throw something together.

The thing can probably dodge any focused beam we throw at it, so step one would actually be to throw a bigger, omnidirectional pulse its way first. What's more, I don't actually know much about this stuff, but presumably its, 'shield,' is designed to screen out EM interference as much as physical force. I think that people have also been proposing regular, massive nukes to punch through that from just outside its radius, so I guess that the sequence so far looks like this:

1. Nuke
2. EMP
3. Another nuke I guess?

Actually, never mind. The Earth is already choc-full of doomsday devices capable of wrecking radii far larger than 300 miles, and we have the means to make more. It's just a matter of rocketing them up its way in a well-timed spread. If nothing else, we can wait for it to approach and turn the earth's surface into the same stuff that our monster is made of. At least then it wouldn't be able to turn around and repeat the trick on some alien planet.

ImNotTrevor
2016-03-28, 03:33 AM
#1. Don't let it touch Earth. Nothing in its powers suggests that it arrives instantaneously. So we'll have quite a while to react once it arrives in the solar system.

#2. Devote all research into creating a relativistic projectile. (Possible. Difficult, but possible even with modern technology. We can accelerate particles up to speeds approaching relativistic, so we can easily within 10 years with a dedicated mankind make a large object that does this)

#3. Pop the gun that fires said relativistic object into space.

#4. When homeboy enters the atmosphere, launch several of said object. The bigger the better, but even one the size of a baseball will have devastating effect. If we manage to make it a rod of tungsten about the size of a telephone pole (like would be used for a Kinetic Bombardment) Then the thing is toast from one shot. If we somehow make it the size of a bus, then the thing is double toast, and whatever planet is behind it will be severely damaged.

That's all you need. One sub-light missile and the thing is dead before it ever touches Earth.

Edit: It is important that we shoot it while it is in space, for several reasons:

1. The projectile would likely cause incredible damage to earth if fired in-atmosphere.

2. The projectile would be indetectable in space, being too small on the scale of space and leaving no visible evidence of its passage until it enters the GD, which it will be entering at close to the speed of light, negating the being's reaction time completely. It doesn't matter how many barriers the thing has or made of whatever when the thing hits. If we get lucky and the projectile is about the size of a dog, we're set.
(Let me put it this way, in-atmosphere, if a pitcher were to suddenly have a baseball leave his hands and magically accelerate to .99C in an instant, within about .03 seconds the entire stadium he was standing in and several city blocks surrounding said stadium would be converted into a plasma-hot crater.)

Mister Tom
2016-04-06, 03:34 PM
#2. Devote all research into creating a relativistic projectile. (Possible. Difficult, but possible even with modern technology. We can accelerate particles up to speeds approaching relativistic, so we can easily within 10 years with a dedicated mankind make a large object that does this)

(Let me put it this way, in-atmosphere, if a pitcher were to suddenly have a baseball leave his hands and magically accelerate to .99C in an instant, within about .03 seconds the entire stadium he was standing in and several city blocks surrounding said stadium would be converted into a plasma-hot crater.) been reading what if...?

I think this is on the right lines but The downside is you have to get that much energy into your projectiles, and have it stay there. I guess you're looking at some sort of moon based relativistic particle cannon, but it's going to need either a -lot- of solar panels or a cobbled together fission reactor to power it. A tough ask in 10 years! Building something the size of the lhc would be right out - we don't have enough power to move all the required mass to the moon. Even low earth orbit is an ask until we've built the space elevators.

You might be able to get somewhere with (ground based laser ) powered micro solar sails - you would need a lot of launchers and incredible coordination as a single beam would, IIRC, cause the atmosphere to ionise. Again if you build them on the moon you won't get that many built in a decade. Attacking with these as he begins in atmosphere approach might be a better bet.

GreatWyrmGold
2016-04-09, 07:18 PM
Don't photons have to "ride" on other matter?
The luminiferous aether's out of style.



If the NTE has complete control over matter in its vicinity, it can cause any projectile fired at it to disintegrate and the remainder to slow down to safe speeds. Therefore, conventional projectiles would need to travel 300 miles in about 0.03 nanoseconds...which means they would need to travel a bit over five and a third times the speed of light. Bombs won't work well, either; even if we had something capable of such devastation at ranges of 300 miles*, the overpressure wave, debris, etc which could damage it are also made of matter.
That leaves us with energy weapons. Since we're restricted to modern-day technology...maybe we could make a very, very high-powered laser. But good luck making one that can hit a one-inch target from 300+ miles away when you can't see it, to say nothing of then blasting through the graphene spheres before the NTE notices and creates a new body somewhere else (or materializes a shield out of solid air or something).
So, in short, we have a godlike being with virtually omnipotent power, with no apparent weaknesses, out to destroy humanity. Someone get Taylor Hebert on the phone...

*Sorry, Dr. Gunsforhands, we don't. Tsar Bomba could collapse buildings at a bit over 10 miles and cause third-degree burns to a bit over 30. No information on how hard it would be to break seven hakf-foot graphene spheres, a shell of plasma, and a sphere of some nondescript material, but I bet it's harder than either of those.
Source (http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/?&kt=50000&lat=65.5822586&lng=119.5060069&airburst=0&hob_ft=0&ff=3&zm=9)

The-lost-Byte
2016-05-19, 12:08 PM
Lets see if anyone even cares enough to try.
Well what are you waiting for!
TICK TOCK!
I am late, but it is still inside the 10 Years! time to screw whit your phrasing!



A Non-Terrestrial Entity, who we will call NTE, will be invading Earth in 10 years time.
See?



So long as this sphere is intact NTE cannot die.
Bad News...but not a problem!


NTE has the following goals: Subjugation and elimination of all life on the planet.

As you former stated, this planet is earth. Well... My ultimative solution is:
SPACE!
*Space Core - Portal 2*

We can LIVE in spacestaions, on the moon, mabye even mars!
Of course, we will have... causal deaths... around 90% of humanatie CAN'T be evacueted (including the fleeing after the NTE arives).
BUT we can get most of the known genetics in space, cloning animals and plants.
We sent only Women and DNS for femal-humans, because they can reproduce whit artificial insemination.

Humanaty is save, but at what cost?