Thirsting Blade Warlock Invocation

[Spectre9000]

You can attack with your pact weapon twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn.

The Pact of the Blade feature, pact weapon, can be made to be any weapon only specifying it be created in your empty hand. This means you could make your pact weapon be your off-hand weapon. Therefore, could you use the invocation Thirsting Blade to gain a second attack with your off-hand weapon as you do obviously make an attack action with it? Furthermore, how does this stack with Extra Attacks gained through class features, if at all?

[bid]

p164, extra attack.

[Spectre9000]

p164, extra attack.


If you gain the Extra Attack class feature from more than one class, the features don’t add together. You can’t make more than two attacks with this feature unless it says you do (as the fighter’s version of Extra Attack does). Similarly, the warlock’s eldritch invocation Thirsting Blade doesn’t give you additional attacks if you also have Extra Attack.

Yea, I guess I forgot that explicit call out to Thirsting Blade in the Extra Attack multiclassing section. This is pretty clear when using one weapon. That being said...

You can attack with your pact weapon twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn.

This doesn't explicitly state that you attack a second time as part of your Attack action, only that when you take the Attack Action you can attack a second time as if in addendum to the attack from the Attack Action (incidentally this is the same for Extra Attack). If it had at the end said "...as part of this action." then that would be different. I believe it perhaps might be assumed to be that way by most, but then again that's an assumption, and therefore an opinion, not RAW, unless I'm missing something.

When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you’re holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you’re holding in the other hand.

As per two-weapon fighting rules however, you can attack with an off-hand weapon, if you also take the Attack Action, as a Bonus Action. This off-hand attack essentially counts as having its own set of attacks (in most cases only one) as indicated by it not interfering with Extra Attack. Therefore, if your pact weapon is your off-hand, using a bonus action to attack in supplement to the Attack Action, can Thirsting Blade, since it's not stacking on the main weapon with Extra Attack, give your off-hand a second attack? The Attack action is still being used, and your pact weapon would be your off-hand weapon, thus satisfying all the requirements, including Extra attack not being applied to your off-hand, thus no stacking issue.

[Foxhound438]

you take the attack action, and can attack once with a non-pact weapon or twice with your pact weapon.

Two weapon fighting kicks in in either case, and says you can use a bonus action to attack once with whichever the other weapon is.

So no, you don't get 4 attacks.

[bid]

The Attack action is still being used, and your pact weapon would be your off-hand weapon, thus satisfying all the requirements, including Extra attack not being applied to your off-hand, thus no stacking issue.
It explicitly state it does not work.

Do you have an extra attack class feature?
Yes, therefore "Thristing Blade doesn't give you additional attacks"

[Foxhound438]

The Attack action is still being used,

not for the bonus action attack. Differentiate in your mind between "make an attack" and "take the attack action." you don't take the attack action, you make one attack. Thirsting blade only applies to the attack action, not your bonus action attack.

[Saggo]

not for the bonus action attack. Differentiate in your mind between "make an attack" and "take the attack action." you don't take the attack action, you make one attack. Thirsting blade only applies to the attack action, not your bonus action attack.
Some examples, Greenflame Blade and Booming Blade say make an attack, but you never took the attack action.

[MaxWilson]

Some examples, Greenflame Blade and Booming Blade say make an attack, but you never took the attack action.

Also, opportunity attacks.

[Corran]

not for the bonus action attack. Differentiate in your mind between "make an attack" and "take the attack action." you don't take the attack action, you make one attack. Thirsting blade only applies to the attack action, not your bonus action attack.
Wrong. In order to be able to make an extra attack with his pact weapon from thirsting blade, he justs needs to take the attack action on his turn. Here is an examle. The character fights with 2 shortswords, and his pact weapon is the shortsword he holds with his off hand. He takes the attack action in his turn, thus attacking with the shortsword in his main hand once (as he has no extra attack feature), and then as a bonus action, he attacks with his off hand pact weapon using his bonus action for that attack, and since he is attacking with his pact weapon and since he used the attack action in his current turn, he gets to attack twice with it.

If that character had the extra attack feature, he wouldnt be able to use any benefit granted by thirsting blade, as thirsting blade stops granting anything the moment you get extra attack.