Opening the floor for wild speculation: IFCC

[BroomGuys]

It seems pretty reasonable to assume that all the sides (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0548.html) involved in the gate-related part of the plot care quite a bit about whether the world gets ended right now. I'm wondering what the IFCC think of this (or would think of it, in case they're unaware of the godsmoot): is it part of their plan for the gods to consider ending the world, or do they have to hope that the gods don't end the world here so that the gates are still available to use? We learned that the fiends want the gates destroyed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0897.html), and the fact that the gods started considering ending the world certainly seems like a foreseeable consequence of the gate's destruction. But whether that means the IFCC are planning to do something as the world is destroyed, or whether they want things to go down to the wire at the last gate, or whether they're enacting their plan now is a matter of speculation. But as I recall, many of y'all like speculation, so what are everyone's thoughts?

[Steveio]

If the Snarl escapes and slays the gods, it'll leave the upper planes empty. And with the upper planes empty, it allows the fiends to run rampant across the multiverse.

[KorvinStarmast]

If the Snarl escapes and slays the gods, it'll leave the upper planes empty. And with the upper planes empty, it allows the fiends to run rampant across the multiverse.Or to take over the upper planes ... the lower planes perhaps are suffering from overcrowding.

[War-Wren]

QUOTE=Steveio;20371028]If the Snarl escapes and slays the gods, it'll leave the upper planes empty. And with the upper planes empty, it allows the fiends to run rampant across the multiverse.[/QUOTE]

Not just the Upper Planes, the Lower Planes would be affected too. Loki is evil, therefore an occupant of the Lower Planes, and in just as much danger of being Snarled as the good aligned Gods.

The Snarl appears indiscriminate in it's slaughter of divine beings... All three Pantheons would be destroyed leaving a lot of empty pedestals for others to climb up onto...

[Rinazina]

Great question! :D well, I don't think that IFCC want the world destroyed, that is part of Hel agenda. maybe they want exploit the situation in different ways.

we just know that "if the plans go well, killing a huge amount of good dragons will not be hard"

we can assume that the IFCC has a complete knowledge of the situation, scrying from the lower plane in the same way as Eugene was scrying from the upper. The know just the last year (Since Sabine told them). so, they know, for example, the plan of RC spoiled in face of Tsukiko. (potentially). they do not know of the event of Start of Darkness, that are an important setup of RC+X relationship and possible betrayals.


We learned that the fiends want the gates destroyed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0897.html),

or, they want just Girard Gate destroyed. to check what the Snarl do ? Or to exploit the Gods reactions ? Maybe to invest their best agent in the last gate.

Just to go random:


They want control the snarl (and so, why do not use Giraard Gates ? maybe because they can't defeat Xykon with their resources, and they need someone other burn off spell slots and hit points)
They had been intermediate between Hel and other gods who voted "Yes" ? hard, Durkon has been the opportunity for Hel, and Durkon was not vamped when they start the plan.
They can spoil to Xykon the truth about R.C. plan, and take the place of R.C. at the end, why three mayor archfiend can't have access to the same ritual of the DarkOne ?
They have a huge soul-net strategy to take all the souls derived from world destruction (Gods or Snarl, indifferent)
They want the Snarl free for just a couple of seconds, opening a gate between the Snarl and the upper planes, and let the Snarl defeat the "Good" enough to give them strategical advantage
They are just like Tarquin. They act cool but without being really in control. Cedrik want improvise, Lee want to keep the plan has in mind, and the first time Nero will fail, they will be exposed as dumb.

[Deliverance]

We learned that the fiends want the gates destroyed (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0897.html)
We do not know this.

We don't even know that the IFCC wanted Girard's gate destroyed, though it is certainly the way to bet given the information presented in the comic.

All we know is that the fiends were willing to expend a limited critical resource (possession of V) at a time when, if they had not done so, V might have been able to alert Roy (who didn't hear what was being shouted, but did hear a faint knocking, and was momentarily distracted), averting the destruction of Girard's gate, and might have failed, leading to the destruction of the Gate and... what? Would they have been able to snatch V ahead of the explosion. Did they know there'd be a destabilizing delay rather than an instantaneous explosion?

If not, was this their way of ensuring the survival of their pawn? Probably not.

And we know that after the explosion and Xykon had come and gone, the fiends were toasting each other for good timing and making opportunities.

We also know that the fiends were not too concerned about what happened to the rest of the OOTS after Sabine broke the half-damned screen; the next few minutes of tense confrontation between the OOTS and Tarquin was caught on Teevo and they could always check it out later.

So... all this to say that I don't have the faintest idea what the IFCC's plan is, and that we know very, very, little about why they've done what they've done; Even the things that seems most sure, such as "they snatched V to be certain Girard's gate was destroyed" can be explained by other motives (e.g. preservation of pawn).

[wumpus]

Assumption: Hel's plan involves a massive increase in the number of dwarves tossed into the lower planes. This is pretty much the whole point of the IFCC (note the banter while watching V).

Iffy point: If all the souls go to Hel personally this will only benefit the deamon (NE) (or whichever alignment Hel has). The devil (LE) and demon (CE) would lose out. They would only be in the plan if they thought they would all get credit for the souls (even if Hel gets them).

Answer: It looks like a chance they might "just" be working for Hel, but I expect things to line up a bit better from the Giant. Expect a better reveal in the future, or some reason for the lower planes to balance out the souls.

[Markozeta]

If the Snarl escapes and slays the gods, it'll leave the upper planes empty. And with the upper planes empty, it allows the fiends to run rampant across the multiverse.

Not to derail, but what's happening in the upper planes now? Last time we visited, Roy had a plan (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0664.html). Or will that not tie into this book of gods and devils?

[littlebum2002]

If the Snarl escapes and slays the gods, it'll leave the upper planes empty. And with the upper planes empty, it allows the fiends to run rampant across the multiverse.

Why do you suggest the Snarl would only kill the gods in the upper planes, and not those in the neutral or lower planes? Just curious