Wings of Cover mimicking?

[Bad Wolf]

So I'm currently making an Incantatrix sorcerer who's probably going to ban Evocation for the class (and also grab the Luck Domain by the ACF in CC).

However I want to keep Wings of Cover. Does anyone know what happens if you use Shadow Evocation to mimick it, and the opponent saves against it?

Also if anyone has a better idea for a banned school, lets hear it.

[Douglas]

Regardless of the effect, it's not a viable replacement idea because of casting time. Wings of Cover takes an immediate action to cast, and that's a huge part of what makes it good. Shadow Evocation duplicates the effect of another spell but keeps its own casting time of a standard action, so a Shadow Evocation duplicating Wings of Cover would take a standard action to cast and thus be a great deal worse than the actual Wings of Cover spell even at 100% effect strength.

It's a fairly common house rule that Focused Studies only prevents you from learning new spells of the prohibited school, and you can keep any you already knew. Ask your DM if that's how it will work in your game.

[Cruiser1]

Regardless of the effect, it's not a viable replacement idea because of casting time. Wings of Cover takes an immediate action to cast, and that's a huge part of what makes it good. Shadow Evocation duplicates the effect of another spell but keeps its own casting time of a standard action, so a Shadow Evocation duplicating Wings of Cover would take a standard action to cast and thus be a great deal worse than the actual Wings of Cover spell even at 100% effect strength.
Just cast Celerity as an immediate action, and use its free standard action to cast Shadow Evocation simulating Wings of Cover. Of course, that expends a 5th level slot + 4th level slot + being dazed the next round, when it could just be a 2nd level slot if you didn't ban Evocation. Banning Evocation also hurts because it delays your access to Contingency by 2 character levels.

For the will save part, Shadow Evocation says, "Nondamaging effects have normal effects except against those who disbelieve them. Against disbelievers, they have no effect." Presumably simulating Wings of Cover against an opponent's spell means using it "against them", so the enemy caster gets a will save to see whether your simulated Wings of Cover works against them and their spell.

[Troacctid]

Personally, I would lean towards banning enchantment or necromancy.

[The Glyphstone]

Personally, I would lean towards banning enchantment or necromancy.

Depends on the level/ending level of the campaign. If it'll stop below 15 or so, ban Necromancy, cause level 15 is when Mind Blank comes online for most enemies so enchantments stay useful. If it'll go past 15, ban Enchantment, so you keep Necromancy and access to Astral Projection at level 17.

[sleepyphoenixx]

My suggestion would be to ban enchantment. Unless your build concept is specifically focused on it you'll generally get more use out of evocation than enchantment, and a lot of the staples of the school can also be used by summoned monsters as SLAs.
If you really, absolutely need an enchantment spell get one of your party members to invest in UMD. At least one of them should do that anyway, so it's hardly a big demand.

The other generally bannable school is necromancy. It's better than enchantment, no question, but a big chunk of it is debuffs (which other schools can compensate for) and undead creation (which is generally not really a sorcerer thing - too much investment for your few spells known, and other classes do it better).

You should already have some idea about what spells you're planning to learn. Look at the spells that you absolutely want and their schools, and then decide what you can do without the easiest (if you're even planning on spells from all 3 "drop schools").


If you absolutely need access to every school and still take Incantatrix you're going to have to be a wizard. There's a feat chain that reopens access to a prohibited school (in LEoF), but it requires you to be a specialist wizard.