If Hide in Plain Sight were a feat, what would the prereqs be?

[SangoProduction]

(Using PF) As the title says. Clearly you want Stealth ranks. How many? What else, if any?

Perhaps have it scale, such that when you first qualify, you can use it, but within range of a shadow, but as you progress in (stealth ranks?) you gain more value out of it, like not being limited as such, and not needing to meet the normal conditions for hiding (the line of sight and watching thing).

[UrsusArctos]

Let's see:

Hellcat Stealth lets you hide while observed in bright or dim light, even when observed, but at a -10 penalty. The prerequisites are Skill Focus (Stealth) and 6 ranks.

HiPS locks you into one territory, but doesn't need a penalty or restrict what light condition. I'd say it should have similar prerequisites.

[SangoProduction]

Let's see:

Hellcat Stealth lets you hide while observed in bright or dim light, even when observed, but at a -10 penalty. The prerequisites are Skill Focus (Stealth) and 6 ranks.

HiPS locks you into one territory, but doesn't need a penalty or restrict what light condition. I'd say it should have similar prerequisites.

OK. I can dig that.

[Ninjaxenomorph]

Either that or Stealthy.

[Tetraplex]

Why not make Hellcat Stealth the prerequisite?

[SangoProduction]

Why not make Hellcat Stealth the prerequisite?

Because HIPS can be achieved with a level in a template or a very modest sum of gold. That's not equivalent to 3 feats.

[Andezzar]

Because HIPS can be achieved with a level in a template or a very modest sum of gold. That's not equivalent to 3 feats.If you are talking about the dark creature template, that HiPS has some serious drawbacks:
- It does not work in daylight (magical or otherwise)
- the creature becomes vulnerable to banishment/dismissal on the prime material plane because it is [extrapalanar] there.
- one source of the template the HiPS does not waive the need for concealment, only the need not to be observed the other classifies the ability as SU.

[sleepyphoenixx]

It already is. It's called Improved Eldritch Heritage (Shadow Bloodline). The prerequisites are Skill Focus:Stealth, Eldritch Heritage, Cha 15 and level 11.
It's also not limited by terrain and the only requirement is being within 10ft of a shadow not your own. No light requirement, no stealth penalty and you get free teleportation on top of it.

I know that's (probably) not what you meant, but given the trend in PF it would probably be limited by terrain, only work in dim light and have 3 useless prerequisites if it were intended for non-magicals.

If that's too much there's always the Invisible Blade ninja master trick. Doesn't work against See Invisibility of course, but it only costs you your 10th level talent.
(Ex) HiPS is also available as an advanced rogue talent, but it's limited by terrain and only removes the "being observed" problem. You still need cover or concealment.

[Platymus Pus]

If Hide in Plain Sight were a feat, what would the prereqs be?
Being a wizard of course.
You can gain the benefits of this feat though a simple low level spell.

[Jormengand]

Tumble 12 ranks, Truespeak 12 ranks, Combat Expertise, Dodge, Improved Unarmed Strike, Mobility and Spring Attack. Except, Word Given Form Mastery is a little better than that because you don't need to roll the hide check or actually spend a feat on it itself.

Obviously, this being Pathfinder, you can strap on another three useless prerequisites and then make Word Given Form Mastery itself take up a feat, and then you're good to go. Obviously in PF you no longer have to declare your dodge target, but because it could be changed as a free action when it's not your turn by muttering under your breath, that's no big deal, really; just let it apply to everything.

[Psyren]

^ There is no "Dodge target" in PF - it just gives you a dodge bonus to AC (and thereby CMD) in general.

@OP: Note that Hellcat Stealth's penalty is functionally only -4 rather than -10, since you've taken Skill Focus: Stealth to qualify for it.

[Jormengand]

^ There is no "Dodge target" in PF - it just gives you a dodge bonus to AC (and thereby CMD) in general.

Yes, that is indeed exactly what I meant.