Earliest Stormcaster Entry Point

[LoyalPaladin]

Good evening, Playgrounders!

I'm trying to put together a 2 Sorcerer / 10 Stormcaster / 8 Incantatrix tonight, but I'm getting really hung up on the entry requirement for stormcaster. It looks like I could prestige at level 2 if I had call lightning or gust of wind as an SLA, but my only problem is that I can't find any creatures that can do it! I can have a maximum of +3 LA, so storm giant is out.

I've been wracking my brain for ideas, but I think I'm out of luck.

[Troacctid]

I can have a maximum of +3 LA, so storm giant is out.

Ooh, so close. Arcane Adept (DMG2 p158) is +4 LA.

If RHD don't count, then Marrutact (Sa p171) can do it at +3 LA (but ECL 10), and Hobgoblin Warcaster (MM5 p86) can do it at ECL 7 (LA +3 and 4 RHD) if you use Wizard instead of Sorcerer.

Remember that you need Gust of Wind and Call Lightning/Lightning Bolt, not one or the other.

[nedz]

Kuo-Toa Clerics can do it, but only if you have two of them. 2 RHD and LA +3

[sleepyphoenixx]

You can get Gust of Wind at first level with the Least Dragonmark of Storms (but you have to be a half-elf if you're using the fluff).

I'm drawing a blank on Call Lightning or Lightning Bolt as SLAs though.

[LoyalPaladin]

Ooh, so close. Arcane Adept (DMG2 p158) is +4 LA.

If RHD don't count, then Marrutact (Sa p171) can do it at +3 LA (but ECL 10), and Hobgoblin Warcaster (MM5 p86) can do it at ECL 7 (LA +3 and 4 RHD) if you use Wizard instead of Sorcerer.

Remember that you need Gust of Wind and Call Lightning/Lightning Bolt, not one or the other.
Well shoot... I didn't realize you need both...


Kuo-Toa Clerics can do it, but only if you have two of them. 2 RHD and LA +3
Well, there is only one of me...


You can get Gust of Wind at first level with the Least Dragonmark of Storms (but you have to be a half-elf if you're using the fluff).

I'm drawing a blank on Call Lightning or Lightning Bolt as SLAs though.
That's good to know. I'll give that a look over.

[ExLibrisMortis]

How about a spellstitched necropolitan? You need 13 wisdom, and it lacks a listed LA, which can be problematic. I believe it defaults to the base LA of the creature you're templating (0, in this case), but that's up to the DM.

[LoyalPaladin]

How about a spellstitched necropolitan? You need 13 wisdom, and it lacks a listed LA, which can be problematic. I believe it defaults to the base LA of the creature you're templating (0, in this case), but that's up to the DM.
Interesting... I'll give that a look over, as it might be my saving grace.

[Snowbluff]

Incant8, LP? Are you using the old version?

Also, could arcane disciple help?

[LoyalPaladin]

Incant8, LP? Are you using the old version?

Also, could arcane disciple help?
Well. My day is ruined. I was totally using the old one.

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It doesn't help me get into the class earlier.

[nedz]

Well shoot... I didn't realize you need both...
Gust of Wind is easy - loads of methods.


Also, could arcane disciple help?
I went through all of the domains earlier - I should have said.
Storm, Weather and Windstorm Domains - Call Lightning
But they are all level 3 - so how do you get level 3 arcane spells at CL 2 ?

[Snowbluff]

If you cheese the crap out of it maybe. Precocious gets you to 2 really easily. Versatile works better with pretty much any other class.


Well. My day is ruined. I was totally using the old one.

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oh dear. Rethinking if you need it then? Maybe try ultimate magus for mm reduction? Recaster? I'm saying maybe try early entry on a different Prc, then get into storm aster legitimately. ;)

Oh, and you're sleeping on the couch tonight after what happened Friday. *pout*

[LoyalPaladin]

oh dear. Rethinking if you need it then? Maybe try ultimate magus for mm reduction? Recaster? I'm saying maybe try early entry on a different Prc, then get into storm aster legitimately. ;)

Oh, and you're sleeping on the couch tonight after what happened Friday. *pout*
I'll look into other classes... I wanted to get the MM reduction by 20, while still getting the 20 levels into Sorcerer.

I'm sorry! I'll be on tonight... :smallwink:

[Darrin]

I went through all of the domains earlier - I should have said.
Storm, Weather and Windstorm Domains - Call Lightning
But they are all level 3 - so how do you get level 3 arcane spells at CL 2 ?

Versatile Spellcaster.

[Snowbluff]

I'll look into other classes... I wanted to get the MM reduction by 20, while still getting the 20 levels into Sorcerer. avoiding the early entry with storm caster will probably save a lot of effort. Recaster would probably be the best none cheesy effort.



I'm sorry! I'll be on tonight... :smallwink:
Oh... Might be on Diablo 3, since Doubletap Jack might be wanting more to play . I can stay up For afterwards, so I'll keep in touch.

Versatile Spellcaster.

I think you need to know the spell for that (afb, but I think you have to take the spells for disciple right?), and need 2 second level slots.

[LoyalPaladin]

avoiding the early entry with storm caster will probably save a lot of effort. Recaster would probably be the best none cheesy effort.
Yeah, I'll probably go Stormcaster second, after recaster. Are there any other storm based classes? I'm basically building a storm deity haha. I'd also be happy with any storm spells that don't suck.

[Extra Anchovies]

Earliest Stormcaster entry is level 2 if you're willing to play a wizard and apply cheese. The Domain Wizard (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#wizardVariantDomainWiz ard) variant can be taken by any nonspecialist wizard, and grants a "domain" of nine thematically related spells. The Storm arcane domain has Gust of Wind as its second-level spell, and Lightning Bolt as its third-level spell. Among the rules for how the arcane domains work is this line:

A domain wizard automatically adds each new domain spell to her list of known spells as soon as she becomes able to cast it.
So as long as you can cast spells of level X, you know your domain's spell of level X. If you're allowed flaws, there are two definite ways to meet the requirements to unlock both of those at 1st level - an Illumian with Improved Sigil: Krau and Precocious Apprentice can cast spells with effective level 3, as can a Human with Heighten Spell, Earth Spell, and Sanctum Spell. There's also the Elven Generalist route, but stacking the Elven Generalist sub levels with Domain Wizard might get books tossed at your head and I'm pretty sure it requires flaws as well, so it's probably not going to work if neither of the other two methods do.

Wizard 1/Stormcaster 10/Incantatrix 9 still doesn't get the Incantatrix capstone, though.


Yeah, I'll probably go Stormcaster second, after recaster. Are there any other storm based classes? I'm basically building a storm deity haha. I'd also be happy with any storm spells that don't suck.

There's the Storm Druid (Dragon 328 p. 87), but you seem to be going for arcane casting so I don't know if it'd be useful to you.

[LoyalPaladin]

Earliest Stormcaster entry is level 2 if you're willing to play a wizard and apply cheese. The Domain Wizard (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#wizardVariantDomainWiz ard) variant can be taken by any nonspecialist wizard, and grants a "domain" of nine thematically related spells. The Storm arcane domain has Gust of Wind as its second-level spell, and Lightning Bolt as its third-level spell. Among the rules for how the arcane domains work is this line:
I think I might switch to Wizard. I really wish Sorc didn't pale in comparison to Wiz, because I love Charisma...


Wizard 1/Stormcaster 10/Incantatrix 9 still doesn't get the Incantatrix capstone, though.
Incantatrix is finding its way out of my build.


There's the Storm Druid (Dragon 328 p. 87), but you seem to be going for arcane casting so I don't know if it'd be useful to you.
I need to go find a copy of Dragon Mag now. Does WotC sell a compiled Drag. Mag. pdf? They should... I would buy it.




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[Snowbluff]

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[LoyalPaladin]

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[Snowbluff]

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It's been 3 days, btu to be fair people post less on the weekends.

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[Troacctid]

Yeah, I'll probably go Stormcaster second, after recaster. Are there any other storm based classes? I'm basically building a storm deity haha. I'd also be happy with any storm spells that don't suck.

Stormsinger and Stormlord would be the big ones.

[Malimar]

Yeah, I'll probably go Stormcaster second, after recaster. Are there any other storm based classes? I'm basically building a storm deity haha. I'd also be happy with any storm spells that don't suck.

Stormsinger and Stormlord would be the big ones.

A brief database search reveals also Storm Disciple which you could port to arcane casting easily enough but which probably isn't very good.

Stormtalon's got the name but isn't actually storm-themed and doesn't even advance casting.

I suppose you might consider Windwalker, that's kind of stormy.

I've got a storm (well, mostly water but also storms a little bit) god with Lord of Tides levels, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend that.

Gotta have the Born of the Three Thunders feat in there somewhere tho.


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[Thurbane]

Versatile Spellcaster + Air Bloodline feats can get you Gust of Wind at 1st level (depending how you read Versatile Spellcaster).

[DeAnno]

Versatile Spellcaster + Air Bloodline feats can get you Gust of Wind at 1st level (depending how you read Versatile Spellcaster).

I feel like this deserves special attention, because those are both good feats someone might actually want anyway, independent of early entry.