Redcloak and the Hobbos

[Guts]

Ok seriously why are the hobgoblins so dedicated to Redcloak? Hes badass i know and now actually gives a crap about them, but what draws them to him? Please respond.

[BlueWizard]

Priests are always respected. Remember Indo-European culture gave us the caste system {which is sort of in use in places at India}, the priests are top dog.

Besides, he seems to be the only goblinoid that can communicate to a god. In the dim world view that most goblinoids have that makes him the leader. The goblinoid leaders are usually the most powerful, and he can whoop any hobgob's butt.

[SPoD]

He's letting them actually attack the humans. They've lived a few weeks travel away from Azure City their entire lives, but all of their previous leaders held them back--because it was too dangerous. But Redcloak/Xykon didn't give a crap about the danger, and took the muzzle off them. As hobgoblins, they LIVE to fight, so they appreciate a leader who lets them.

[TheLogman]

Well that, plus he killed the guy standing next to the Supreme Leader, and in a fit of fear, the Leader gave over his power, making RedCloak the Supreme Leader of all Hobgobs. So those that don't fear his ability to make dead, revere him as their Supreme Leader, who will lead them to Victory.

[Oxymoron]

Hobgoblins are lawful evil. They respect him as their legitimate
leader.

[Kreistor]

Usually, but not limited to, lawful evil. They can have any alignment.

Teh Eberron campaign setting removes such alignment restrictions, so the Giant is welcome to as well. But I'd guess this particular group is LE at least. They seem to have an orderly society.

[EvilElitest]

Usually, but not limited to, lawful evil. They can have any alignment.

Teh Eberron campaign setting removes such alignment restrictions, so the Giant is welcome to as well. But I'd guess this particular group is LE at least. They seem to have an orderly society.

1. Ebberon has different aligment rules, but the alignments still exist, anyways
2. The Hobgoblins strick me as very much like the Japanese or the Chinese, Redcloak is the Surprime leader due to the Divine Right of Rule, (he took power, so it must be the will of the gods), clerics seem to be very important in this socaity (note, all officers other than Xykon and his minions are clerics) and they seem to value obeying their leader more than their own lives, like the guy who took the hit for Redcloack even though he just heard that Redcloak didn't value their lives. So it seems a very "Duty before Rights" sort of place
from,
EE

[BobTheFerret]

RedCloak and the Hobgoblins... :smallcool:

Sounds like some sort of rock group. :smallbiggrin:

[PaladinFreak]

I agree with the statement on duty. Redcloak himself says here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0148.html) that Hobgoblins are "All efficiency and sense of duty and warrior codes, with their military this and their discipline that, and-". What I get from this statement is exactly what EE said.

[Hungry Kobold]

I agree with the statement on duty. Redcloak himself says here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0148.html) that Hobgoblins are "All efficiency and sense of duty and warrior codes, with their military this and their discipline that, and-". What I get from this statement is exactly what EE said.

Seems to me that makes them Lawful Neutral, since duty and codes dictate their behaviours.

[Guts]

I understand what you guys mean about how :redcloak: qualified for supreme leader and the hobbos'disciple but i would expect they would be resentful that someone out of their race is in charge and would be happy if said person died.:smallconfused:

[EvilElitest]

I agree with the statement on duty. Redcloak himself says here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0148.html) that Hobgoblins are "All efficiency and sense of duty and warrior codes, with their military this and their discipline that, and-". What I get from this statement is exactly what EE said.

thank you very much


Seems to me that makes them Lawful Neutral, since duty and codes dictate their behaviours.

No, as they still enjoy killing innocent humans and are serving an evil cause, they are just highly ordered and very protective of eachother.

I understand what you guys mean about how qualified for supreme leader and the hobbos'disciple but i would expect they would be resentful that someone out of their race is in charge and would be happy if said person died.
Now your looking at it from a western viewpoint, one of the right of the indivisual. I get the impression, considering that a hob sacerficed his life to pretect a leader who had just said he was willing to slaughter the whole force to achieve his own means and still said that he was sorry to be unable to report for duty, that the hobgoblins don't value their own life, but hte good of the group. The fact that Redcloak became the Surprime Leader means he must be justified in doing whatever he wills and it the duty of his servents to trust his judgment and obey his commands. While i don't think he would be happy if Redcloak ordered them to worship different gods, as long as he fills out the duty as leader they will do their duty as servants

from,
EE

[TheNovak]

Dragon had an "Ecology of the Hobgoblin" article several years back that was really insightful, and agreed with what PaladinFreak and EvilElitest have said. They're a very ordered, regimented, militaristic society...but they're still a buncha evil bastards. And they'd be much more willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the tribe than, say, a typical goblin (Neutral Evil) or orc (Chaotic Evil).

[Surfing HalfOrc]

Dragon had an "Ecology of the Hobgoblin" article several years back that was really insightful, and agreed with what PaladinFreak and EvilElitest have said. They're a very ordered, regimented, militaristic society...but they're still a buncha evil bastards. My emphasis And they'd be much more willing to sacrifice themselves for the good of the tribe than, say, a typical goblin (Neutral Evil) or orc (Chaotic Evil).

Yeah, Nazis. As in Hitler's National Socialist Worker's Party.

A well organized, focused group, with a plan for victory. Luckily, a bunch of misfits were able to send them packing!