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is the 3.5 hobgoblin worth the LA?
Starkeeper
2016-03-11, 03:01 PM
No, it's a LA +0.5 if anything, too weak for 1, too strong for 0.
Malimar
2016-03-11, 03:01 PM
All they get worth noticing is a net +4 to stats. So... no, they're a very weak +1. They'd be slightly strong at +0, but even at +0 they'd be weaker than, say, lesser planetouched, warforged, and whisper gnome.
All they get worth noticing is a net +4 to stats. So... no, they're a very weak +1. They'd be slightly strong at +0, but even at +0 they'd be weaker than, say, lesser planetouched, warforged, and whisper gnome.
what do you think is the best race worth there LA(IF THEY HAVE ONE) for melee combat such as a warblade or sometime of fighter..etc.
Cerefel
2016-03-11, 03:13 PM
The Feral template in Savage Species is pretty decent, and so is the Dragon Magazine version of Half-Ogre
Malimar
2016-03-11, 03:14 PM
what do you think is the best race worth there LA(IF THEY HAVE ONE) for melee combat such as a warblade or sometime of fighter..etc.
Water Orc at +0. Goliath at +1. Half-ogre at +2.
EDIT: The Dragon Magazine half-ogre is better than the Races of Destiny half-ogre, as Cerefel says, but you may encounter some DMs (including me) who rule that the RoD half-ogre overrides and replaces the DM half-ogre, never mind that one is a race and the other a template -- and also some DMs who don't allow Dragon Magazine content at all. That said, Dragon Magazine's half-minotaur template is often mentioned in the same breath as its half-ogre, and the two are comparable.
Starkeeper
2016-03-11, 03:14 PM
There's a Warblade Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?176968-Masters-of-the-Sword-A-Warblade-s-Handbook-Under-Construction) with good Race choices.
Aleolus
2016-03-11, 03:16 PM
Probably a Goliath, from RoS. +4 Str, +2 Con, treated as Large and can use large weapons without penalty? Yes please!
They take a small hit to Int, iirc, but other than that they're great
Telonius
2016-03-11, 03:20 PM
With the addition of Warshaper (and the assumption that there is no effective limit on the number of Natural Weapons it can grow), probably Changeling. Get pounce (there are several ways to do so) and it will pretty much obliterate anything it charges at.
Outside of that case (which is probably close to theoretical op, if not already there), Water Orc is a strong one.
Flickerdart
2016-03-11, 03:25 PM
Let's do a side by side comparison between the hobgoblin and the similar goblin (a weak LA 0 race). Goblins also have 30ft move speed and 60ft darkvision, and also suffer from the "oh boo hoo it's a monster, hike up the LA" stigma. They cede ground in ability scores (the CHA penalty doesn't matter, but a -2 compared to a +2 hurts) but make up for it with +4 to 2 more skills (Hide and Ride). So they are pretty comparable. Except goblins are LA0.
If you really want a hobgoblin, go for the Fire Hobgoblin instead. They trade darkvision and their stealth bonus for low-light vision and +2 INT/-2 CHA. Since CHA is a dump stat, it's basically free INT, which gives more precious skill points. At level 20, that's +23 to a skill, instead of a puny +4.
Let's do a side by side comparison between the hobgoblin and the similar goblin (a weak LA 0 race). Goblins also have 30ft move speed and 60ft darkvision, and also suffer from the "oh boo hoo it's a monster, hike up the LA" stigma. They cede ground in ability scores (the CHA penalty doesn't matter, but a -2 compared to a +2 hurts) but make up for it with +4 to 2 more skills (Hide and Ride). So they are pretty comparable. Except goblins are LA0.
If you really want a hobgoblin, go for the Fire Hobgoblin instead. They trade darkvision and their stealth bonus for low-light vision and +2 INT/-2 CHA. Since CHA is a dump stat, it's basically free INT, which gives more precious skill points. At level 20, that's +23 to a skill, instead of a puny +4.
your a god
There's a Warblade Handbook (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?176968-Masters-of-the-Sword-A-Warblade-s-Handbook-Under-Construction) with good Race choices.
thankyou that is vey helpful for me
Kelb_Panthera
2016-03-11, 05:04 PM
Probably a Goliath, from RoS. +4 Str, +2 Con, treated as Large and can use large weapons without penalty? Yes please!
They take a small hit to Int, iirc, but other than that they're great
Dex, not int.
Aleolus
2016-03-11, 05:16 PM
Dex, not int.
Even better, that means all the Warblade's Int based abilities will function perfectly well
Kelb_Panthera
2016-03-11, 05:21 PM
If you do go with a goliath, I insist you must, at some point, kill an enemy with a goatball.
atemu1234
2016-03-11, 05:45 PM
I'm a fan of Dragonborn Water Orc.
Coidzor
2016-03-11, 11:20 PM
If you do go with a goliath, I insist you must, at some point, kill an enemy with a goatball.
Goatball? Go on...
Goatball? Go on...
Worst illustration (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/a/a7/Goliath_goatball.png/revision/latest?cb=20151010015914) in Races of Stone.
MaxiDuRaritry
2016-03-12, 12:09 AM
Worst illustration (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/a/a7/Goliath_goatball.png/revision/latest?cb=20151010015914) in Races of Stone.I'm not sure that the two guys...uh...making out there in the foreground are entirely appropriate for the forums...
And now none of you can unsee it...
I'm not sure that the two guys...uh...making out there in the foreground are entirely appropriate for the forums...
"We were just playing goatball, honest!"
"Is that what they're calling it these days?"
Extra Anchovies
2016-03-12, 12:47 AM
Worst illustration (http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/a/a7/Goliath_goatball.png/revision/latest?cb=20151010015914) in Races of Stone.
Thomas Baxa strikes again! Some of my favorite, ahem, creations of his are from Complete Divine (examples 1 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/82293.jpg) 2 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/82290.jpg) 3 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81335.jpg)). His Ur-Priest (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81359.jpg) is pretty great, though - it's actually one of my favorite pieces of D&D art, after this fine fellow (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/5n_gallery/90017.jpg) of course.
MaxiDuRaritry
2016-03-12, 01:03 AM
Thomas Baxa strikes again! Some of my favorite, ahem, creations of his are from Complete Divine (examples 1 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/82293.jpg) 2 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/82290.jpg) 3 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81335.jpg)). His Ur-Priest (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81359.jpg) is pretty great, though - it's actually one of my favorite pieces of D&D art, after this fine fellow (http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/5n_gallery/90017.jpg) of course.It looks like most of his characters have some serious deformities and are in the middle of some sort of paroxysms.
Kelb_Panthera
2016-03-12, 01:31 AM
Goatball? Go on...
Races of Stone 59;
It's a game where two teams of four goliaths (or anyone else with the guts to join a game) hop from platform to platform tossing an awfully misshapen "ball" made of a stuffed goat hide back and forth. Lots of shoving is involved and only goliaths can throw the ball with proficiency.
Inevitability
2016-03-12, 03:19 AM
1 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/82293.jpg)
Why does that morningstar look like a club with a spiked iron ball floating behind it? What possible tactical advantage is that lich expecting from doing the splits? And why isn't the cleric holding the morningstar in the wrong place?
2 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/82290.jpg)
What's wrong with that jaguar? Did it get launched from a catapult or something?
3 (http://archive.wizards.com/dnd/images/cd_gallery/81335.jpg)
I can't believe the reused this image for the 5th edition favored soul.
LudicSavant
2016-03-12, 03:24 AM
is the 3.5 hobgoblin worth the LA?
Not even close.
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