Warforged Mineral warrior able to fly?

[Belzyk]

I know that the Mineral Warrior Template removes fly speed if it was present upon being added to base creature. Can say a totemist who is already a Mineral Warrior gain a fly speed temporary or does Mineral warrior completly negate flying?

[Flickerdart]

Warforged cannot be mineral warriors, as they are constructs (living constructs, but still constructs).

[Draconium]

The Mineral Warrior template says the base creature loses any fly speed it possessed when the template was applied. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing saying you cannot later gain a different fly speed, at least by a strict RAW reading.

[Belzyk]

Warforged cannot be mineral warriors, as they are constructs (living constructs, but still constructs).

ok well anything that is a mineral warrior.can it gain flying after becoming a mineral warrior?

[Red Fel]

ok well anything that is a mineral warrior.can it gain flying after becoming a mineral warrior?


The Mineral Warrior template says the base creature loses any fly speed it possessed when the template was applied. As far as I'm aware, there's nothing saying you cannot later gain a different fly speed, at least by a strict RAW reading.

This. The template doesn't say that a character who becomes a Mineral Warrior can never again possess a fly speed. It simply removes existing flight. That's where RAW stops.

Now, a RAI reading, or even a RACSI reading, would suggest that such a creature has spurned flight forever. A DM could legitimately assert that, having taken the template, you don't get to take a flight speed anymore. But that's not a RAW ruling; an argument can equally be made for the fact that flight is only stripped away in the mineralization process; subsequent flight isn't banned. And that's also a legitimate position.

Short version: Can a creature become a Mineral Warrior, and later gain flight? Probably.

[Keld Denar]

Mineral Warrior gives you the [Earth] subtype, right? The opposite of [Earth] is [Air]. Just like you don't see too many [Cold] creatures with [Fire] attacks (being opposites), [Earth] creatures should spurn all association with [Air] properties, among which generally include flight. It's not RAW, but it does make sense, right?

The character COULD fly, but would generally have a distaste and mistrust of flight, being that it puts them out of touch with their elemental [Earth] aspect.

[Inevitability]

Mineral Warrior gives you the [Earth] subtype, right? The opposite of [Earth] is [Air]. Just like you don't see too many [Cold] creatures with [Fire] attacks (being opposites), [Earth] creatures should spurn all association with [Air] properties, among which generally include flight. It's not RAW, but it does make sense, right?

The character COULD fly, but would generally have a distaste and mistrust of flight, being that it puts them out of touch with their elemental [Earth] aspect.

*clears throat* (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/gargoyle.htm)

[LTwerewolf]

Exceptions are a thing that's allowed. Happens so often in d&d they had to make a rule about it (see: general vs specific).

[Coidzor]

If it's a choice between flying or leaving the murder bucket unfilled, flying should win out.

Unlikely to go up in hot air balloons for fun, though.

[Necroticplague]

The rules are pretty clear: Templates are not like feats or PRCs, and are only applied once, and not continually re-checked (if they didn't work that that, most templates would be problematic, due to type change issues). Ergo, the loss of flight speed occurs exactly once, when the template is applied. Thus, you're free to gain a flight speed afterwards. I always thought of it as indicating your new body was too dense for whatever old way of flying you have to work (i.e, wings aren't the right material anymore, body weighs several times what it used to), but it's perfectly possible for a new way that takes into account your new body to allow you to fly.