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[sihnfahl]

Debatable... there's a difference between poeple who are just plain evil and those who are bat**** crazy... One you send to a jail cell and the other you send to a mental institute. Point is, if a prisoner was so crazy that they would sooner kill everyone in the castle than work to get out, or cause the professor a serious amount of trouble, the professor would be given that kind of info
As for the 'mental institution' thing, look at how they deal with 'Heterodyne Heirs'. They don't treat these folks like they're mentally ill (ie, the Jesus Syndrome), they just outright kill them. And there's another reason why Tiktoffen can't make any overt moves ...


But how is Wulfenbach gonna know? The Professor is the one who reports to the baron; he could have someone killed and just report it as an accident... have the guy stabbed and just say he got stabbed by a trap... there's no one to contradict his reports
You sure? You don't think that among the prisoners is a Wulfenbach Man reporting back? Someone to watch Tiktoffen as well? Plus, there's a third player to factor in - the Castle itself. The prisoners killing one another mean one less person to work on the Castle - it wouldn't like that. Oh, no, not in the least.


There isn't anyway out of the castle. Trying to escape on its own tends to be a suicdie run and even if you got out there are guards outside the castle that will shoot prisoners on site... the only way for anyone to get out is when the complete their points...
Actually, there are two ways out of the castle. One for convicts (by completing their sentence or accumulating enough points), the other for the resupply folks. While the resupply folks are thoroughly scrutinized, there's something you cannot physically inspect - what's in their head. Zola's men could be on the resupply duty, have a little chat with Tiktoffen, and come out. Nothing's being passed back and forth, physically, so there's nothing to find on inspection. But, once they're past the inspection point, the conversation is still in their head.


and the professor couldn't fake the points without looking suspicious
Who says he needs to fake them? He can be generous on specific repairs or good behavior.


Not to mention that the "Old masters" would punish the poeple of mechanicsburg if they did not try to rebuild the castle... a master would expect that his home would be intact when he comes home... it's mcuh like how "dying" is considered a poor escuse for not continueing to serve. Really, if mechanicsburg made no effort to repair the castle and a heterodyne returned, particularly one that was like older generations, i would NOT want to be the one to explain why the castle is still in ruins after 18 years and why we made no effort to repair it
If the 'old masters' returned, they'd understand because the people of Mechanicsburg were protecting the secrets of the castle and the town by not making it a target. The Castle may well defend the town, but as evidence has shown, even IT can fail - hence, its current condition. As long as the Castle is in ruins and a trap-filled menace, nobody in their right mind would try to get in. Without the Castle, Mechanicsburg is just another town under Wulfenbach's control.

[slayerx]

As for the 'mental institution' thing, look at how they deal with 'Heterodyne Heirs'. They don't treat these folks like they're mentally ill (ie, the Jesus Syndrome), they just outright kill them. And there's another reason why Tiktoffen can't make any overt moves ...

True, but again this is besides the main point that Tiktoffen would be informed if such a dangerous prisoner was being sent to the castle...


You sure? You don't think that among the prisoners is a Wulfenbach Man reporting back? Someone to watch Tiktoffen as well? Plus, there's a third player to factor in - the Castle itself. The prisoners killing one another mean one less person to work on the Castle - it wouldn't like that. Oh, no, not in the least.

Possible, but it does not seem to be the case since Diamant made no note of any other inside men of the baron's... Also, even if it was the case, Zola's poeple could easily get a potential spy on their side. The inside men of the baron are prisoners themselves and are doomed to serve their sentence in the castle; they'd have to be mad to turn down a chance for early release and being granted amnesity...

As for the castle, the castle's main intellegnece is not at work, only the stupider subsystems... so it's ability to think is hindered... not to mention that those subsystems are mad and murderous and as such do not mind the occassional murder. i mean really, considering the prisoners are often killers it would not be surprising if the prisoners were already beat eachother up and killing eachother every once in a while


Actually, there are two ways out of the castle. One for convicts (by completing their sentence or accumulating enough points), the other for the resupply folks. While the resupply folks are thoroughly scrutinized, there's something you cannot physically inspect - what's in their head. Zola's men could be on the resupply duty, have a little chat with Tiktoffen, and come out. Nothing's being passed back and forth, physically, so there's nothing to find on inspection. But, once they're past the inspection point, the conversation is still in their head.

That is very true...
Though back to the orginal point which is that Zola can't communicate with the men on the inside whenever she wants and that she currently does not know if their were any new arrivals to the castle; and yet she seems to walk around casually... meaning everyone was easily brought to her side or she just plain doesn't fear them


Who says he needs to fake them? He can be generous on specific repairs or good behavior.

Yes but being too generous would be suspisous... sure the baron would not be surprised if a prisoner got a out a couple of weeks sooner, but he would be suspicious if they got our months or years sooner; especially if it was more than one prisoner... The baron more then likely sets the standards


If the 'old masters' returned, they'd understand because the people of Mechanicsburg were protecting the secrets of the castle and the town by not making it a target. The Castle may well defend the town, but as evidence has shown, even IT can fail - hence, its current condition. As long as the Castle is in ruins and a trap-filled menace, nobody in their right mind would try to get in. Without the Castle, Mechanicsburg is just another town under Wulfenbach's control.
If it were the likes of Bill, Barry, or Agatha, then you'd have a point... but the old masters, the one's who came before them were downright insane. AS such they would expect that their castle be up and running by the time they returned... you don't let your insane master come home to a mess; and the poeple of mechanicsburg hope for ANY heterodyne to come back, not just the good ones. They would still work to repair the castle out of pride, loyalty, and fear

And yes the castle can fail, but you have a bit of contradition in there... As you said, the castle only becomes a target if it's fully repaired, but at the same time, the only way the castle has been seen to fail is when the enemy highly damaged it; which in turn renders it useless to anyone who would want it (like it's current condition)... in other words, if someone seeked to control that castle when it is fully awaken, they would have to take control of the castle WITHOUT damaging it

If they are willing to highly damage the castle in order to control it, then they would target it NOW when it's most vulnarable (just as Zola is trying to do)... but if they only want to capture the castle when it is in full working order, they will have to deal with a castle that is at it's most dangerous and powerful; considering how hard it is to take the castle when it's vulnarable, THAT is a task that may be damn near impossible

All in all, the best protection for the castle against those who would seek to control it is for the castle to be fully repaired and capable of defending itself... yes it might make it a more attractive target, but that won't matter as much as it is nearly impossible to take contol of it without heavily damaging it and rendering it useless

[sihnfahl]

True, but again this is besides the main point that Tiktoffen would be informed if such a dangerous prisoner was being sent to the castle...
Every prisoner is dangerous. These aren't people who stole a loaf of bread from the market because they were starving. Who knows, when inside, what the people may do after exposure to the Castle?


Possible, but it does not seem to be the case since Diamant made no note of any other inside men of the baron's...
Tiktoffen is the 'public' man. Anyone else would be hiding their true allegiance and be unknown to Damiant or Tiktoffen as one of 'The Baron's Men'.


Also, even if it was the case, Zola's poeple could easily get a potential spy on their side. The inside men of the baron are prisoners themselves and are doomed to serve their sentence in the castle; they'd have to be mad to turn down a chance for early release and being granted amnesity...
No, they couldn't. The Baron's Silent Inside Man would not be a prisoner - they'd be there by choice. Much like how Agatha is getting in through forged papers, the Silent Baron Man would be there through legitimate papers drawn up for the specific purpose of hiding them in the general population. He'd be good enough and smart enough to avoid the Castle's traps... or, be put there for a reason that would avoid the more dangerous assignments... like the cook.


As for the castle, the castle's main intellegnece is not at work, only the stupider subsystems... so it's ability to think is hindered... not to mention that those subsystems are mad and murderous and as such do not mind the occassional murder. i mean really, considering the prisoners are often killers it would not be surprising if the prisoners were already beat eachother up and killing eachother every once in a while
Remember what happened when the first men of the Baron's got into the Castle? One of the party refused to repair the Castle - the subsystem reacted by squashing him flat. Oh, it's intelligent enough to know when someone's not cooperating...


Yes but being too generous would be suspisous... sure the baron would not be surprised if a prisoner got a out a couple of weeks sooner, but he would be suspicious if they got our months or years sooner; especially if it was more than one prisoner... The baron more then likely sets the standards
Which they would KNOW. People who get set into the Castle KNOW what the duration of the sentence would be. People would know what crimes the Empire considers worthy of being sent to the Castle are and how long they'd be in there. Tiktoffen also knows the point system. All of that can be manipulated to their advantage.


And yes the castle can fail, but you have a bit of contradition in there... As you said, the castle only becomes a target if it's fully repaired, but at the same time, the only way the castle has been seen to fail is when the enemy highly damaged it; which in turn renders it useless to anyone who would want it (like it's current condition)... in other words, if someone seeked to control that castle when it is fully awaken, they would have to take control of the castle WITHOUT damaging it
It's not a contradiction.

The Castle is a target if it's fully repaired because THERE'S NO HETERODYNE. No Heterodyne means nobody's truly in control of the Castle except for the Central Control Unit. That means that SOMEONE could try to take over by subverting the CCU - which was Zola's original plan, after all, before Agatha popped in to throw a monkeywrench into the plans.

And don't you think the Castle failed when it failed to prevent itself from being damaged? Somehow, someone got in and blew the Castle up while it was fully functional...

[dakiwiboid]

SNIP!
People who get set into the Castle KNOW what the duration of the sentence would be. People would know what crimes the Empire considers worthy of being sent to the Castle are and how long they'd be in there. Tiktoffen also knows the point system. All of that can be manipulated to their advantage.

When I look here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070727) at the point system in action, it really looks as if the length of a sentence would be kind of fluid. Oh, people would know roughly how long someone's supposed to be in for, but if someone's really good at repairing the Castle or finding out information about it, they could lop a lot of time off their sentence. Tiktoffen could, of course, as you point out, just say that they had, but I imagine that it's hard to measure the passing days inside that thing anyway. Two people in for the same crime might end up serving noticeably different lengths of time, but it could all be chalked up to expertise in gaining point, or, on the other hand, having pissed off Tiktoffen.

[slayerx]

Well... seems like we are going back to the weasal queen storyline... meh
Really i would much rather prefer sticking to main story... it's can be just as entertaining, but much more interesting


Every prisoner is dangerous. These aren't people who stole a loaf of bread from the market because they were starving. Who knows, when inside, what the people may do after exposure to the Castle?

They are dangerous, but the professor and Zola can still work with them... the ONLY ones he couldn't work with are ones crazy and blood thirsty enough that they would rather kill than get out of the castle sooner, and the professor would be told if such a person was being sent to the castle... any other prisoner, no matter how dangerous would be quick to ally with Zola to get an early release

also, not every prisnoner is dangerous... some are just there for minor reasons like pissing off the Baron (alla Von Zinzer)


No, they couldn't. The Baron's Silent Inside Man would not be a prisoner - they'd be there by choice. Much like how Agatha is getting in through forged papers, the Silent Baron Man would be there through legitimate papers drawn up for the specific purpose of hiding them in the general population. He'd be good enough and smart enough to avoid the Castle's traps... or, be put there for a reason that would avoid the more dangerous assignments... like the cook.

Highly unlikely if not impossible... Even the professor, the current inside man IS a prisoner and is there against his will. No man in their right mind would serve in the castle willingly; even the most careful poeple could wind up killed, espeically since they have to keep the act up for months on end... it would bascially be a suicide mission; and the baron doesn't seem to have that kind of loyal following, and the few that do have such follow would have better use elsewhere in the empire than keeping an eye on prisoners. Furtharmore, in order to avoid suspicion, he would have to act like anyother prisoner which would including working to get out and unknowinly taking on dangerous work... the castle in it's current state is rather unpredicable and most of the jobs have unknown risks... Sure we saw that Zola was able to map out some traps but if they were able to map out all of them then the professor could direct the prisoners in a way to avoid them getting killed

Really, anyone loyal enough to actually volunteer for such a suicide mission would have better uses elsewhere... i mean, repairing the castle is obviously not on the baron's top priorities list... if it was he would be sending more capable poeple in there instead of poeple who are bascially being sentenced to death. He would have focus on figuring out how to keep poeple alive in there so that he can get more willing poeple, including the option of poeple being payed (A LOT) to work in there; hell he would send sparks in there to get the job done (particualy ones he was gonna kill with experiments anyway)... He'd be working so closely that Zola would never have been able to get as close as she has without him knowing it

Hell, if the baron DID have another inside man he would probably have already known about Zola's plans and gotten rid of all those working for her... but as we've seen he's completly in the dark about all of this


Remember what happened when the first men of the Baron's got into the Castle? One of the party refused to repair the Castle - the subsystem reacted by squashing him flat. Oh, it's intelligent enough to know when someone's not cooperating...

Well, right NOW, Zola and her poeple are doing nothing but standing around talking about how their gonna KILL the castle... and yet the castle does not react...


Which they would KNOW. People who get set into the Castle KNOW what the duration of the sentence would be. People would know what crimes the Empire considers worthy of being sent to the Castle are and how long they'd be in there. Tiktoffen also knows the point system. All of that can be manipulated to their advantage.

Well, unless they have their own poeple sitting on the judge stand, they can't really be certain as to how long of a sentence a prisoner will get... as for the point system, it still comes down to Tiktoffen avoiding suspicion... in order to release a prisoner sooner he would have to be overly generous but if one too many prisoners seem to be completing their points to soon, the Baron may get suspicious and that is something Tiktoffen will not want... Sure any spy the Baron sends in would probably work for Zola, but Tiktoffen himself might not be so lucky and might be forced by the new spy (the new point taker) to work like everyone else which could get him killed



It's not a contradiction.

The Castle is a target if it's fully repaired because THERE'S NO HETERODYNE. No Heterodyne means nobody's truly in control of the Castle except for the Central Control Unit. That means that SOMEONE could try to take over by subverting the CCU - which was Zola's original plan, after all, before Agatha popped in to throw a monkeywrench into the plans.

The only reason Zola is able to get so far as she can is because she does not have to deal with central control unit and a fully working castle... When the cetral control unit is in control and the castle is fully operational it becomes more capable of defending itself... just like the stories of intruders getting lost for weeks and dissappearing, or guests finding their rooms in a different part of the castle... the only reson zola can avoid traps now is because she is dealing with the subsystems, but with the castle in control it may beable to set up new traps and rearrange itself so that all hope of predicting traps becomes lost... Even that castle itself demands that it be repaired, that it's within it's best interest to be repaired and sees no saftly in it's damaged position; probably feeling more vunarable

Hell right now, Zola is planning to "kill" the castle, something she probably couldn't do if that castle was fully working... She could kill the castle now and maybe later figured out how it worked and restore it under her control... if the castle were awaken, she would probably be squashed flat by now, if not squashed when she tried to do anything that might "kill" the castle..

Really, all the presence of a Heterodyne means is that their is someone to direct the castle and order it around, however that does not mean their is no one controling it as the castle is capable of controlling itself... Without a heterodyne, the castle will move on it's own and protect itself


And don't you think the Castle failed when it failed to prevent itself from being damaged? Somehow, someone got in and blew the Castle up while it was fully functional...
We have no idea how the castle was damaged... i don't recall anyone that said that attack came from the inside or from the outside, whether the person was a complete stanger or someone trusted like Lucrazia or one of the servents; hell it could have been somekind of teleportation/cross dimensional/time travel attack or something... we just don't know

However, one thing that's easy to assume though... getting a bomb inside and blowing it up is bound to be A LOT easier than a non-heterodyne getting close to the most vital control parts of the castle and taking control of the castle... Really, when the castle is fully away it would probably crush any non-heterodyne thing that moves anywhere remotely close to such parts... it's well known, that trying to damage something is A LOT easier then trying to capture it intact

[Gez]

Well... seems like we are going back to the weasal queen storyline... meh
Really i would much rather prefer sticking to main story... it's can be just as entertaining, but much more interesting

I suspect the Weasel Queen things are a buffer of filler while the Foglios work on the main story.

And we're about to find how big a stick, exactly. You can't say that's not interesting. :smallbiggrin:


I want dancing oysters.

[TigerHunter]

When I first archive binged the comic, I skipped the filler short stories.
Then I went back and read them and immediately regretted it. Weasel Queen was the best one, in my opinion, so I'm looking forward to this.

[BRC]

weasel Queen is good because it features
OTHAR TRAVASSALGAN
Gentleman Adventurer


Now if it could include Jagers somehow, Othar+ Jagers would be awsome.

[Oracle_Hunter]

weasel Queen is good because it features
OTHAR TRAVASSALGAN
Gentleman Adventurer


Now if it could include Jagers somehow, Othar+ Jagers would be awsome.

Pah. I understand the need for filler and all (and it's good filler, and well timed) but I just can't wait to see the Heart of the Castle!

Curse you, Foglios, for making Girl Genius so darn addictive! I've already binged the archives at twice already!

Also: !
:smallbiggrin:

[dakiwiboid]

[QUOTE=Bloddyredcommie;3720314]weasel Queen is good because it features
OTHAR TRAVASSALGAN
Gentleman Adventurer

That would be "Tryggvassen", actually.

Did you know that the Girl Genius Complete List of Absolutely Everybody (http://girlgeniusonline.com/info/cast/everybody.php) classes Othar as a Wandering Monster?

[slayerx]

Pah. I understand the need for filler and all (and it's good filler, and well timed) but I just can't wait to see the Heart of the Castle!

Curse you, Foglios, for making Girl Genius so darn addictive! I've already binged the archives at twice already!

Heh, i'm not sure how many times i archive binged.. begining to end is only 3 times i think, but then there's all the times i binged sections of the comic; i've lost count of those

i don't know, my intrests in whats to happen next far exceeds the entertainment from the fillers... though i do wonder, do they actually use these fillers as a way to buy time to work out the main story, or is more like they do it just because they feel like making it and build some dramatic tension (that will last about 2 weeks)... i guess i can understand if they really need the time, but if it's the laster, then i'd rather they work on those pages on the side nd just release them all at once, instead of giving us 2 weeks of break...

though then again, the third option is that these comics actually were prepared beforehand and that they do this anytime they want to take a vacation from the comic, which i would have to support the need for (even if they love it, gotta give an artist/writer a break)... considering the time of year, this is highly possible... and it would have to be filler as it could be hard to predict exactly which pages will be released when depending on how well the pages are planned in advanced; not to mention by not making pages in advance they are free to rethink pages the last minute...


I want dancing oysters.
Or how about some bad clams... with axes :smallbiggrin:

[Gez]

That would be "Tryggvassen", actually.
You're both doing it wrong. He is
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/224/otharzt0.jpg

It's important to say it right. A question of accent, you see? Not just spelling.

[Oracle_Hunter]

You're both doing it wrong. He is
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/224/otharzt0.jpg

It's important to say it right. A question of accent, you see? Not just spelling.

Well said, Gez, well said. :smallbiggrin:

[Dorizzit]

Dude. That was awesome.

[BRC]

You're both doing it wrong. He is
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/224/otharzt0.jpg

It's important to say it right. A question of accent, you see? Not just spelling.

Let me try
OTHAR TRYGGVASSEN
Gentleman Adventurer
No, not quite, let me try again
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/224/otharzt0.jpg

[Aidan305]

I was browsing through the archives again this evening when I spotted something in the early black and white comics.

We all know it's likely that Agatha will run into Von Zinzer in the castle, but then I noticed this (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030127) strip. Could be be possible that she might meet up with this old enemy?

Thoughts anyone?

[TigerHunter]

Thoughts anyone?
Klaus looked considerably more evil drawn in white and black.

[eMpTy Kay]

I was browsing through the archives again this evening when I spotted something in the early black and white comics.

We all know it's likely that Agatha will run into Von Zinzer in the castle, but then I noticed this (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030127) strip. Could be be possible that she might meet up with this old enemy?

Thoughts anyone?While it is possible, I doubt it. Klaus put him in charge of Beetleburg. I don't think he would have risked upsetting Klaus again (which he would have had to do to get sent to the Castle).

[stm177]

Hmm, slapstick weasel queen stuff again. I also think Phil Foglio just likes drawing busty women in a micro-kini.

[Gez]

I also think Phil Foglio just likes drawing busty women in a micro-kini.

And how is this a problem, exactly? :smallbiggrin:

[slayerx]

While it is possible, I doubt it. Klaus put him in charge of Beetleburg. I don't think he would have risked upsetting Klaus again (which he would have had to do to get sent to the Castle).

Actually, according to Klaus, all he would have to do is screw up at his new job... no one ever intends to screw up, but sometimes you just plain can't handle things... it's all a question as of, could he have already managed to mess things up, or can he hold on for atleast a few months before screwing up

[Ganurath]

Actually, according to Klaus, all he would have to do is screw up at his new job... no one ever intends to screw up, but sometimes you just plain can't handle things... it's all a question as of, could he have already managed to mess things up, or can he hold on for atleast a few months before screwing upYou mean like firing the lost Heterodyne heiress? That seems like a pretty big mistake for him to make.

Also: Gotta love Agatha's reaction to the rabbit headcount.

[BRC]

You mean like firing the lost Heterodyne heiress? That seems like a pretty big mistake for him to make.

Also: Gotta love Agatha's reaction to the rabbit headcount.
well he had no way of knowing at the time, and Klaus isn't the type to punish somebody for doing somthin that was perfectally in their rights and reasonable with what they knew at the time.

[battleburn]

Any idea what they are referring to with the pudding incident #15 (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080102)?

[TigerHunter]

Any idea what they are referring to with the pudding incident #15 (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080102)?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident

[Gez]

I gotta admit, though, it's more blatantly "fillerish" than the previous part of the Weasel Queen ministory.

[Ganurath]

Well, Foglio certainly knows how to provide satisfying filler.

[Megalomaniac2]

...
...
...

Dear Lord, we thank thee for the fanservice we have received on this day.

[TigerHunter]

Note to self: the next time opening Girl Genius gives me an image like that while I'm at school, close window immediately.

Yeah, I got busted...

[Nerd-o-rama]

I like where this is going...

[Gez]

I like where this is going...

I don't know. I expect the next will be, well, Krosp. We won't get Agatha so soon, would we? :smallwink:

[Tirian]

Well, the paper doll page seems to indicate that Agatha is next and Krosp is not on the horizon....

[sihnfahl]

"With your hips? No fear."

"I see Goodwill was having a fire sale."

My face may break from smiling.

[Tirian]

... this happens every now and then in science.... Hee. The castle (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071010)was funnier, though.

[Oracle_Hunter]

... this happens every now and then in science.... Hee. The castle (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071010)was funnier, though.

True, but there was much less Fan Service (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanservice) in da Kestle.

On the other hand: if those (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080109) are Zeetha's normal undergarments then she must be hardier than I thought! Breast Plate (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BreastPlate?from=Main.ChainmailBikini) is uncomfortable normally, but all that cold metal over your sensitive bits? Brrrrr!

[eMpTy Kay]

Oh, it did NOT just give her a pair of Othar glasses! (lower left of 2nd sheet of the paper doll page)

Talk about a creature turning on it's creator...

[Eco-Mono]

Oh, it did NOT just give her a pair of Othar glasses! (lower left of 2nd sheet of the paper doll page)

Talk about a creature turning on it's creator...Darn! You beat me to it. :smalltongue:

[North]

As much as I like the semi fan service, Id rather they get back to the main story!

[dakiwiboid]

The mechanical tailor isn't even making Lapinemorph suits as designed. I wonder when Agatha's going to remember that?

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

The mechanical tailor isn't even making Lapinemorph suits as designed. I wonder when Agatha's going to remember that?

It did include several white fur garments that probably were, ah, donated by the Lapinemorphs in Zeetha's little thingymajigger. Jah.

[Oracle_Hunter]

The mechanical tailor isn't even making Lapinemorph suits as designed. I wonder when Agatha's going to remember that?

Pshaw! Fanservice needs no justification!

Next you'll be complaining about the gratuitous brothel sequence (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buckcomic.php?date=20071127) in Buck Godot! And then about Lou's improbable outfits (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buckcomic.php?date=20080105)!

Also: !

[sihnfahl]

Poor Krosp. Poor, POOR Krosp.

I think that robot needs a severe reprogramming.

Krosp might offer to help. With his claws.

[Enlong]

Anyone notice that Agatha's Paper Doll had Gil's lighting baton?

[North]

Pshaw! Fanservice needs no justification!

Next you'll be complaining about the gratuitous brothel sequence (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buckcomic.php?date=20071127) in Buck Godot! And then about Lou's improbable outfits (http://www.airshipentertainment.com/buckcomic.php?date=20080105)!

Also: !

That wasnt fanservice, it was integral to the storyline. :smallbiggrin:

[battleburn]

New Comic is up.

Really, can you blame that clank for wanting to destroy himself. Agatha builds the perfect tailor, and then all it gets to do is make a carnival costume.

[BRC]

So I put some thought into thinking which character was the most Bad Ass.

Agatha would be the obvious choice, being the protagonist and all, but Gil gives her a run for her money. Zeetha's got the whole awsome-sword amazon thing going, and I don't need to tell you that everybodies favorite Baron/Emporer is on the list.

But, in the end one character stood about above them all in terms of sheer badassery.
Airman Third Class Axel Higgs (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070330)
He manages to fight his way through a burning airship infested with the sewer goo-monsters (Remember what they did to Dimo's arm) armed with only a pair of wrenches. While carrying the unconcious body of Klaus (The man is HUGE), then beats dupree, and carries her too With a broken arm. Jury rigs an automatic pilot (My theory, he's at least slightly sparky). Beats Dupree AGAIN, rebuilds his automatic pilot. Then even after getting attacked by a goose and shot he's coherent enough to babble somthing.

If that isn't awsome, I don't know what is.

[Dhavaer]

But, in the end one character stood about above them all in terms of sheer badassery.
Airman Third Class Axel Higgs (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070330)
He manages to fight his way through a burning airship infested with the sewer goo-monsters (Remember what they did to Dimo's arm) armed with only a pair of wrenches. While carrying the unconcious body of Klaus (The man is HUGE), then beats dupree, and carries her too With a broken arm. Jury rigs an automatic pilot (My theory, he's at least slightly sparky). Beats Dupree AGAIN, rebuilds his automatic pilot. Then even after getting attacked by a goose and shot he's coherent enough to babble somthing.

If that isn't awsome, I don't know what is.

He's also referred to in the cast (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/info/cast/cast07.php) as The Unstoppable Higgs.

[stm177]

Higgs is the Implacable Man (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImplacableMan).

[dakiwiboid]

New Comic is up.

Really, can you blame that clank for wanting to destroy himself. Agatha builds the perfect tailor, and then all it gets to do is make a carnival costume.

The clank is NOT the perfect tailor. A couturier can insult one, but one's tailor is expected to simply cut one's clothes correctly. The lapinemoth outfits are merely disguises.

And not even them most high-handed couturier would offer to kill and stuff a client and mount a clock in his stomach, or dress him in lederhosen for that matter.

[chionophile]

And not even them most high-handed couturier would offer to kill and stuff a client and mount a clock in his stomach, or dress him in lederhosen for that matter.

Ah, but it is also a taxidermist (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080104). And Krosp is a cat, after all.

[Oracle_Hunter]

So I put some thought into thinking which character was the most Bad Ass.

Agatha would be the obvious choice, being the protagonist and all, but Gil gives her a run for her money. Zeetha's got the whole awsome-sword amazon thing going, and I don't need to tell you that everybodies favorite Baron/Emporer is on the list.

But, in the end one character stood about above them all in terms of sheer badassery.
Airman Third Class Axel Higgs (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070330)
He manages to fight his way through a burning airship infested with the sewer goo-monsters (Remember what they did to Dimo's arm) armed with only a pair of wrenches. While carrying the unconcious body of Klaus (The man is HUGE), then beats dupree, and carries her too With a broken arm. Jury rigs an automatic pilot (My theory, he's at least slightly sparky). Beats Dupree AGAIN, rebuilds his automatic pilot. Then even after getting attacked by a goose and shot he's coherent enough to babble somthing.

If that isn't awsome, I don't know what is.

But Airman Higgs isn't really "bad" enough to qualify as Badass (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Badass). He is certainly a Big Damn Hero and a Jaeger-class Implacable Man (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImplacableMan) (or someone who's just Made of Iron (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MadeOfIron)).

No, for the true Badass of the series, you will have to go for Klaus Wulfenbach. He has performed the Badass Back (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassBack) (okay, technically just an Offhand Backhand (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffhandBackhand)) to a Jaeger (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040730), continued leading the fight (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040906) after being kneecapped (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040811), and fired a Clank Gun without falling (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070122) - something even Jaegers (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030430) cannot do.

He is all that, and a bag of chips.

[stm177]

Hmm, Ferretina wears a wig? I didn't expect that. Maybe she drains young men of their precious bodily fluids in order to restore her youth.

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

No, for the true Badass of the series, you will have to go for Klaus Wulfenbach. He has performed the Badass Back (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BadassBack) (okay, technically just an Offhand Backhand (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OffhandBackhand)) to a Jaeger (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040730), continued leading the fight (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040906) after being kneecapped (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040811), and fired a Clank Gun without falling (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070122) - something even Jaegers (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030430) cannot do.

He is all that, and a bag of chips.

Well, the Jaegers' Clank Gun was signifigantly larger, having been designed for one of those Big Freaking Clanks, while Klaus' Clank Gun was for one of the human-sized models.

Not that that says much, since there were multiple Jaegers at the time.

[stm177]

Klaus also beat Zeetha in a straight up fight.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Oh Foglio, you and your comics. Even his filler is good enough to quench my burning desire for MOAR PLOT! :smallredface:

[chionophile]

Hmm, Ferretina wears a wig? I didn't expect that. Maybe she drains young men of their precious bodily fluids in order to restore her youth.

No, I think she's just 25% weasel or so. That's not gonna be attractive unless you hide it and it seems that she uses her looks to lure men.

[Dhavaer]

I thought the darker hair was part of her headdress, rather than being an actual wig.

[stm177]

Will Othar want to be saved?

[sihnfahl]

No, I think she's just 25% weasel or so. That's not gonna be attractive unless you hide it and it seems that she uses her looks to lure men.
Well, it's to hide her stark white hair.

And, I dunno, if the person was a furry, they might find it attractive...


Will Othar want to be saved?
Look up ferret mating habits. Unless Othar has incredible stamina, she could likely enact a Futurama skit. "Death ... by snoosnoo!"

[Gez]

Well, it's to hide her stark white hair.

The wig did not hide her tail, nor her red eyes, nor her sharp teeth, nor her giant mutant left ear (the right ear is normally sized, though). White hair is the least exotic of her traits.

As a Foglio girl, she's attractive nonetheless.

[sihnfahl]

The wig did not hide her tail, nor her red eyes, nor her sharp teeth, nor her giant mutant left ear (the right ear is normally sized, though). White hair is the least exotic of her traits.
But white hair makes people look OLD.

Guys would much rather go for a raven-haired beauty; those little traits (tail, eyes, teeth, etc), which would be in a construct, would just make her look all the more exotic.

[thorgrim29]

Is it just me, or does ferretina have sone very Lucrezia like facial expressions?

[Porthos]

Poor poor Weasel Queen. :smallfrown: She has absolutely no idea what is about to happen to her.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Othar's got some of the most soulful blue eyes in webcomicdom.

Unfortunately, that's also his killin' face :smallbiggrin:

True Othar Fact #1: Othar has perfect eyesight. His visor is designed to prevent fair damsels from losing their souls in his eyes... because Othar hates killing lady zombies.

[Thayus]

Poor poor Weasel Queen. :smallfrown: She has absolutely no idea what is about to happen to her.

Keep in mind, this isn't in continuity. This may end up with the narrators fleeing from Othar(pissed about Filler-Othar's non-canonical behavior) this time.

-Thayus

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

Dear god. I think I just fell in love with Othar Tryggvassen, Gentleman Adventurer.

And yet I cannot look away.

[thorgrim29]

You know, I think that, in character, Othar would probably sleep with her and then kill her. Thats a shame I think. That or he's getting fooled.... always a possibility with him.

[sihnfahl]

Gah ... his EYES.

Wait, strike that. His entire facial structure. It's ... effeminate.

Take away that chin fungus...

[Dhavaer]

Bishie Othar?

[Rutee]

No, don't give it all away up front, girl. Make him work for it first!

Also dear god he has the most adorable eyes in the entire webcomic. Even if the filler hadn't been making me laugh, it'd have made itself worthwhile right there XD

[Dhavaer]

Did anyone else previously think that Othar's visor was an implant?

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

I thought it was a LaForge-type visor.

We now know why Klaus left the visor on his face when he was torturing him.

[Megalomaniac2]

Man, Ferretina really likes Othar. Too bad she just told him she is a Spark who must die.

[Gez]

Did anyone else previously think that Othar's visor was an implant?

I'm pretty sure we've seen him without his visor before.

[Corestimah]

We have seen Othar without his visor before. Recall the incident on Castle Wolfenbach when Othar and Klaus dropped in on Agatha and Gil. When Gil kicked Othar in the head, he knocked off Othar's visor. In the next panel, we can see Othar's eyes, and then after than Gil thwacks him with a BIG monkey wrench. Also, that strip is the first in which we see that Klaus is muscular and riddled with stitches, likely from being "Zapped back" (Punch and Judy bore similar stitches in far greater amounts when we last saw them in Gil's lab).

I look forward to the conversation that Agatha, Gil, and Klaus will have when Mechanicsburg is saved and Klaus is stronger. I also look forward to Agatha's reunion with Moloch Von Zinzer within Castle Heterodyne (recall that we last saw him sitting in an oversized birdcage with a label reading Castle Heterodyne).

[battleburn]

Man, Ferretina really likes Othar. Too bad she just told him she is a Spark who must die.

Is she a spark, or is she a construct. Or is she the spark offspring of her father (spark) and a construct mother?

I am a bit confused here.

[Tirian]

She's definitely a madgirl, you don't go creating an army of giant mutant rabbits without the Spark. Seems that her dad did some DNA splicing on her, but I would still say that she was born rather than constructed. (Although that is evidently not the criterion either....)

[North]

Im going to bank on Spark that was experimented on. Possibly by herself.

[Oracle_Hunter]

I thought it was a LaForge-type visor.

We now know why Klaus left the visor on his face when he was torturing him.

Because even the ultimate Badass of GG cannot resist the bishie power of Othar's eyes. Why, if Othar could have focused for a moment in this scene (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040227) Agatha would have been his slave. As it was, she responded angrily , before both Klaus and Gil, at Othar's mistreatment. Can you imagine a team made up of Othar and sidekick Agatha? They would be unstoppable!

[thorgrim29]

You know, seeing Othar again makes me wonder, is Dumed dead? Because that'd be a shame.

[Tirian]

DuMedd's a fan of Othar. Plus he's not a bad guy or delivering a despairing monologue. I'm pretty sure that Othar is together enough to realize that Sparks like DuMedd should be among the last to be destroyed. Plus, right, part of the team that's going to rebuild the castle once Agatha asserts her control over it.

(This is a big part of why I want Othar to kill Ferretina. His raison d'etre is a Spark-killer, and yet we've seen him interact with dozens of Sparks without creating a single corpse because they were all plot-shielded. He's got many unpleasant attributes, but a complete inability to achieve his missions shouldn't be among them.)

[SnowballMan]

Of course, this is a tale being told second hand (as a radio drama I beleive). So the fact that the real Othar is a spark killer, might not come into play.

[Farmerbob]

(This is a big part of why I want Othar to kill Ferretina. His raison d'etre is a Spark-killer, and yet we've seen him interact with dozens of Sparks without creating a single corpse because they were all plot-shielded. He's got many unpleasant attributes, but a complete inability to achieve his missions shouldn't be among them.)

Unless the whole point of his character is as a spark killer anti-hero who never gets around to actually killing anyone. I don't remember, but have we seen him actually kill anyone? All I remember is that he's stated (and shown) to be a menace.

It's pretty hard to write a character like that so he remains interesting, but the Foglios seem pretty good as writers.

[Tirian]

We get to find out what they have in mind for him. We know him to be a semi-legendary righter of wrongs, so he is clearly efficient in saving the day against wild Sparks. Does he just talk about the necessity of driving these forces from the world but in the moment of truth decide that a stern lecture is all that's needed?

I hope not. The Foglios, with their good writing, have given us many complex characters throughout the story. Contrast with Bang, who is as sadistic as she is ditzy, but you take her seriously because she actually has killed a named character. Among the heroes, you have Klaus who has performed inhumane research on his staff and Gil who isn't shy about killing a few dozen people when he thinks it is important to do so. I think that they have the skills to have Othar live up to his code of conduct rather than just being a doofus.

[Oracle_Hunter]

DuMedd's a fan of Othar. Plus he's not a bad guy or delivering a despairing monologue. I'm pretty sure that Othar is together enough to realize that Sparks like DuMedd should be among the last to be destroyed. Plus, right, part of the team that's going to rebuild the castle once Agatha asserts her control over it.

(This is a big part of why I want Othar to kill Ferretina. His raison d'etre is a Spark-killer, and yet we've seen him interact with dozens of Sparks without creating a single corpse because they were all plot-shielded. He's got many unpleasant attributes, but a complete inability to achieve his missions shouldn't be among them.)

If you want to see "Othar the Spark Killer" you should read his Twitter (http://twitter.com/Othar).

A choice passage:

"Thank goodness for waterproof boots. Zekkertant's dad appeals to me. What parent should see their child die? Even if they are a Spark. True." 08:42 PM December 15, 2007 from web

"Impeccable logic. I am moved. So even though he is a lesser threat, I shoot him first. Then I shoot van Zekkertant. Call me Herr Sensitive." 08:33 PM December 16, 2007 from web

Brutal, eh?

EDIT:

Hey, new comic in which Othar polishes his reputation for being Dangerously Genre Savvy (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DangerouslyGenreSavvy)!

[Porthos]

In regards to Othar's actions:

This is what we call rolling a "Nat 1" on your Sense Motive check. :smallbiggrin:

Ironically, it looks like the Weasel Queen didn't roll so hot on her check either. :smalltongue:


DuMedd's a fan of Othar. Plus he's not a bad guy or delivering a despairing monologue. I'm pretty sure that Othar is together enough to realize that Sparks like DuMedd should be among the last to be destroyed. Plus, right, part of the team that's going to rebuild the castle once Agatha asserts her control over it.

(This is a big part of why I want Othar to kill Ferretina. His raison d'etre is a Spark-killer, and yet we've seen him interact with dozens of Sparks without creating a single corpse because they were all plot-shielded. He's got many unpleasant attributes, but a complete inability to achieve his missions shouldn't be among them.)

Well, the Foglio's have already said (either in their mailing list or on Kaja's LJ) that Othar has his priorities straight. Once he realized that Agatha was a Heterodyne, that changed everything. He knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that she will be on his side. That his, in his crazy warped mind he figures that Agatha will eventually join him in his crusade, and once All The Other Sparks Are Dead, then they can kill each other.

After all, Agatha would do this because she is a Hero. :smallbiggrin:

And if Othar has to give Agatha time to realize her destiny.... Well, Othar's a patient man. :smallamused:

I figure that, like you say, DuMedd is in the same category of "He's a Hero, so he can be killed later." As for the circus, he doesn't know they're Sparks, does he? I mean, it's not like they give off a quickening or anything when one gets to close.

On the Airship, he wasn't in a position to kill anyone. DuMedd and Agatha, as you say got special dispensation. As far as I know, that's it on the Known
Spark list. However, as Oracle_Hunter said, Othar's been racking up quite the body count over in his Twitter adventures. :smallsmile:

[thorgrim29]

Othar, you poor damn fool.....

[stm177]

So is Agatha going to save Othar or save Ferretina? :smallwink:

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

Swing and a miss.

[Ganurath]

Note to self: If Ferretina survives this, make her the Imperial Minister of Research. A half-human mad scientist that feels better toward her human cousins is exactly what we need.

[Gez]

I think she's mad now.

[Ganurath]

I think she's mad now.Bit of an understandment. I actually felt the pain of his words... It says good about a comic when the filler has such strong character development. I hope her majesty makes it to canon somehow.

[stm177]

Othar is a nut, but at least he's consistent. He declared to Agatha that he'd have to kill her here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040922).

He could have learned his lesson, and decided to kill Ferretina when she wasn't looking, but he has to monologue Ferretina.

I wonder if the giant rabbits are the men of the village. After Ferretina gets bored with the newest sacrifice, she gives them her version of Jagerdraught. It changes the men into giant rabbits.

[The Old Hack]

I figure that, like you say, DuMedd is in the same category of "He's a Hero, so he can be killed later."


Or alternately he didn't realise that Theo is a spark, and Theo might simply not have mentioned it.



DuMedd and Agatha, as you say got special dispensation. As far as I know, that's it on the Known Spark list. However, as Oracle_Hunter said, Othar's been racking up quite the body count over in his Twitter adventures. :smallsmile:

Or more chillingly, he might actually have killed poor Theo and simply failed to mention this little bit to Agatha... :smalleek:

[chionophile]

So I guess this means we're back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Why is Agatha so mad at the radio show guys? This isn't the first time this has happened...

[Farmerbob]

So I guess this means we're back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Why is Agatha so mad at the radio show guys? This isn't the first time this has happened...

All I know is that it is greatly enjoyable.

[Porthos]

So I guess this means we're back to our regularly scheduled programming.

Why is Agatha so mad at the radio show guys? This isn't the first time this has happened...

It's because this isn't the first time this has happened that she's so pissed. :smallwink:

And that Tape Playback Machine is made of Win. WIN I tells ya! :smallcool:

[sihnfahl]

Why is Agatha so mad at the radio show guys? This isn't the first time this has happened...
Because they're mangling things.

It's like having your life story 'adapted for television'. They take 'creative liberties' with what you went through, what you said, what happened...

By the time they're done with the story, you'd think you're hearing another person's life story entirely!

[Oracle_Hunter]

The filler is dead! Long live the plot!

Also: Have you seen the votey (http://topwebcomics.com/vote/2527/default.aspx) for today? The Foglios are genius, I tell you, genius!

[North]

Long live the plot!

Finally, I like the filler but nowhere near as much as the main plot.

[FoE]

I've read most of the strips now and I've developed a mad crush on Bangladesh Dupree. I think it's the combination of psychotic killer and hot pirate queen that does it for me. :smallbiggrin:

[TigerHunter]

Finally. This filler actually felt like... filler.

[SnowballMan]

I've read most of the strips now and I've developed a mad crush on Bangladesh Dupree. I think it's the combination of psychotic killer and hot pirate queen that does it for me. :smallbiggrin:

No! She's mine! I saw her first.

I even built an airship for her, with an extended range sniper rifle to deal with people before they know she's there. As well as the Small Town Eviscerator(TM) for after she's introduced herself.

[FoE]

Mein Gott, vat fun is uzing der sniper rifle? Iz much better to do killin' up close, yah? Vat way, yuz gets to hear da screams uv terror!

Oh Bangladesh ... she iz zo sharp ... zo dangerous, like a puddink bag full of knifes!

....

Sorry, vut .... er, that was my Jagermonster accent coming up. Anyways, Bangladesh already has an airship. I'm willing to tie down dozens of captives for her to torture. Beat that! :smalltongue:

[Nerd-o-rama]

I'll stick with the sane, green-haired warrior chicks, thank you.

And I wouldn't turn Agatha down for dinner, either, between her tendency to run around in her lingerie sensible German undergarments and her pathological nerdity. Agatha/Gil is just too cute for me to ever want to disrupt it, though.

[thorgrim29]

Besides, agatha is doomed to become insane, and I'm not Dave Davenport, being used as a lab experiment by my GF is not a turnon. Zeetha is much cooler (and IMO hotter), I wonder if she'd consider training a guy, not the crazy training regimen, but a more sensible one.....

[chionophile]

So, uh, yeah. About that getting back to the main storyline...

Is this considered filler for the filler?

[Nerd-o-rama]

Huh. That's mighty odd. I'd say it was a view of "elsewhere in the main continuity..." except it appears to have the actual characters (Agatha and Aaronev, anyway) playing, what, ancestors of themselves? And, you know, Kaja's avatar doing the narration.

It is the "FIRST PAGE OF VOLUME EIGHT", though...perhaps this connects to the main plot in some way after all.

[Lord Iames Osari]

Finally, we know the details of "that old fairy tale" Klaus was going on about!

[Oracle_Hunter]

If I must receive an Info Dump (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InfoDump) I would prefer it to be delivered through the singing of fat ladies :smallbiggrin:

Also: The Foglios get points for introducing no less than two Noodle Incidents (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoodleIncident) and more Hot Librarian (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotLibrarian) Fanservice (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanservice) in the process!

[Nerd-o-rama]

Hot Librarian (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotLibrarian) Fanservice (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Fanservice)
Is this or is this not the whole point of Girl Genius?

And I guess Hot Amazon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotAmazon) Fanservice as well, for Zeetha and Bang.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Is this or is this not the whole point of Girl Genius?

And I guess Hot Amazon (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotAmazon) Fanservice as well, for Zeetha and Bang.

And you musn't forget the other Author Appeals (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AuthorAppeal)! We've got bondage and S&M with Von Pinn (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040903) and whatever Mr. Foglio was imaging for this scene (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050523) :smallbiggrin:

Ah, but I love 'em for it. Such beautiful art!

[Rutee]

Is this or is this not the whole point of Girl Genius?

And I guess Hot Amazon Fanservice as well, for Zeetha and Bang.
I would complain, but even I like Hot Librarians.

At least Gil is nice and submissive to Agatha as recompense :smallbiggrin:

[Nerd-o-rama]

Oh yeah, all the major female characters are pretty dominant. Agatha and Lucrezia are Sparks, Zeetha's a warrior mentor type, Bang is a sociopath, Jenka is a Jaeger...really, I'd find it slightly demeaning if we didn't have equally strong male characters like Klaus, Gil, Othar, and the Jaegerchorus (the last two or three are, admittedly, quite dumb, which is a fairly persistent negative male stereotype. I blame sitcoms).

[Rutee]

To be fair, most Jaegers are stupid. I think they're playing into minion stereotypes, not focussing on male ones. And the one with the huge het is awesome. And Oggie is hilarious.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Othar, though, plays right into the big over-testosteroned buffoon stereotype, though. It's bound to happen in a pulp adventure comic somewhere, though, so I won't complain.

And can I really complain about negative portrayals of men in a comic that we just decided was mostly an exercise in fanservicey women? Probably not. The point is, there are so many well-written, strong characters all around that, despite the massive amounts of fanservice, you can't really call any sort sexism in the comic.

[Gez]

Huh. That's mighty odd. I'd say it was a view of "elsewhere in the main continuity..." except it appears to have the actual characters (Agatha and Aaronev, anyway)

Tarvek, not Aaronev. Aaronev is a little bit deadish at the moment. Tarvek may have survived through Plot Logic. He was resurrected in this strip (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061124) when Lucreziagatha whispered "then Tarvek might [have survived]".

In real world-logic, somebody already heavily wounded and being fired upon at point-blank range dies. Even shooting blanks is lethal if there isn't a minimum distance.

[Jalor]

Just started reading it, it's very well-written and well-drawn.

[Megalomaniac2]

Dear God, please tell me this doesn't mean Agatha's destined to marry Tarvek or some other such claptrap.

[SnowballMan]

Beat that! :smalltongue:
Very well.

*beats the dozen captives Face of Evil tied down*

Well, dang, they didn't last very long. And you complain that sniping isn't any fun. Assuming they don't know you're there. I mean, that's just comedy gold.

On a seemingly unrelated note, today's comic struck me as a way of passing on a story everyone in the comic would likely know. Except, the audience(us) would realizes the significance of the prophesy and how it relates to the now, not the then.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Tarvek, not Aaronev. Aaronev is a little bit deadish at the moment. Tarvek may have survived through Plot Logic. He was resurrected in this strip (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061124) when Lucreziagatha whispered "then Tarvek might [have survived]".

In real world-logic, somebody already heavily wounded and being fired upon at point-blank range dies. Even shooting blanks is lethal if there isn't a minimum distance.
Aaronevsky, then.

Sorry, I got the names mixed up and didn't want to search through Volume Six with all its confusing plot twists (seriously, Tarvek switches sides every other page). I do not believe he's in the current cast list, which only has Volume Seven people.

[thorgrim29]

Yes, he is a bit confusing..... I've come to the conclusion that he was'nt realy with Lucrezia nor Agatha after 3 archive binges.

[stm177]

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040301

That's fanservice too for those into Klaus.

[Megalomaniac2]

Yes, he is a bit confusing..... I've come to the conclusion that he was'nt realy with Lucrezia nor Agatha after 3 archive binges.

Tarvek= the love child of Hubert Farnsworth and Revolver Ocelot.

[Porthos]

Yes, he is a bit confusing..... I've come to the conclusion that he was'nt realy with Lucrezia nor Agatha after 3 archive binges.

Tarvek is a Yendi. Albeit a young Yendi with plenty to learn about his craft.

Anyone familiar with the works of Steven Brust sholuld see what I mean. :smallwink:

[Oracle_Hunter]

In real world-logic, somebody already heavily wounded and being fired upon at point-blank range dies. Even shooting blanks is lethal if there isn't a minimum distance.

Didn't you hear the Jaeger? Stun bullets - you know, those things that shoot concentrated slugs of Stuninite (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum) which is completely non-lethal.

And don't you start applying "physics" either. Think of the cat-human hybrids (http://www.kevininscoe.com/pub/God%20Kills%20a%20Catgirl.jpg)!

[Gez]

As I said, it's a clear case of Plot Logic: a character mutters the hypothesis that another character, which was left for dead, may actually still live. By doing so, that first character ensures the continued survival of the latter.

Probably some derived form of dramatic irony: the character's really channeling the author, who is telling us "I didn't kill him after all!"

It's not what the Jager says, it's what Lucreziagatha says.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Tarvek= the love child of Hubert Farnsworth and Revolver Ocelot.
THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING!

[GGfan]

Been following this thread... and the comic... for a while now.

Personally, I think if anyone is interested in fulfilling this "prophecy" that's just been cleverly revealed by the Folio's just to infuriate us all and make us speculate, it would be Tarvek. He's probably known about it all along, which explains his behavior toward Lucrezia/Agatha. His dad's insane plot to bring back Lucrezia was something he couldn't do anything about so he had to accept it with as good grace as possible and try and do something about all the damage done in the process. It was just his bad luck that Lucrezia would be brought back into the body of his "destined" bride! So now he has to somehow placate Lucrezia into not killing him, while trying frantically to come up with some way of removing her from the host. Unfortunately, he was a little too clumsy in his plotting, and Lucrezia became aware of his plans. Luckily, he'd been thinking and had an alternate body ready in the form of his erstwhile sister.

My personal vote for Agatha's permanent love-interest is Gil. He was the first one to take her seriously. Every other male (Krosp excluded- but then, he's a cat) has consistently underestimated her. Even Tarvek was mostly in the position of trying to protect her, and made his plans without consulting her. Granted, she wasn't available for consulting most of the time, but still.

[stm177]

Or maybe Gil is a secret descendent of the storm king as well.

[FoE]

Interesting. I've been trying to find out some info about this "Storm King" and hopefully this opera will shed some light on his significance to the story.

[Rutee]

Tarvek= the love child of Hubert Farnsworth and Revolver Ocelot.

I like your style.

[BRC]

CURSE YOU FOGLIO'S
I want to know what happens with gil and the Jagers, I want to know what happens when agatha enters the castle.
Now we have this random opera thingy that confuses me.
the suspense is killing me!

[Porthos]

GG is up for SEVEN WCCAs! :smalleek:

OUTSTANDING COMIC
OUTSTANDING ARTIST
OUTSTANDING WRITER
OUTSTANDING CHARACTER WRITING
OUTSTANDING LONG FORM COMIC (competing with OotS)
OUTSTANDING USE OF COLOR
OUTSTANDING ENVIRONMENT DESIGN

As mentioned in the News Page, the complete list of nominees can be found here:

http://ccawards.com/2008finalists.html

[Eco-Mono]

world: ending
airship_entertainment: down:frown:

[stm177]

Super secret backup page for insomniacs: http://girlgeniuscomic.livejournal.com/

[Oracle_Hunter]

Also here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php) which is super sneaky.

I think we're suffering a little time warping in our return to Plot. The Mechanikopera appears to be in Mechanicsburg not just because of it's similar name, but also because Ms. Exposition is wearing Heterodyne Sigil Earrings.

But it's night outside, and when we left Agatha it was day. Either this takes place in the past, or Agatha has been inside the Castle for a long time.

And now, sleep :smallsigh:

[FoE]

I know you guys are eager to get on with the story, but I'm actually quite impressed with this opera segue. It's a way of filling us in on some of the background that will no doubt become important in the coming storyline without relying on one of the main characters to go into a bunch of plot exposition. It's a really fantastic storytelling device, and I'll have to remember to use it someday.

[Nerd-o-rama]

It is quite good. Just oddly placed.

Also, the Foglios stole my "Jagerchorus" term. Although I was referring to the Greek Chorus comprised of Agatha's three Jager sidekicks, not an operatic chorus.

[Oracle_Hunter]

It is quite good. Just oddly placed.

Also, the Foglios stole my "Jagerchorus" term. Although I was referring to the Greek Chorus comprised of Agatha's three Jager sidekicks, not an operatic chorus.

It is kind of oddly placed, now that you mention it. I mean, the last chapter did begin referencing this legend hardcore, but it doesn't seem important enough to the plot that it couldn't have been left as a nagging hook for sometime later. Perhaps something plot-relevant is going to happen at the opera, a la FFVI?

:smallredface: what, it's a legitimate reference!

[Gez]

"The original roller-skating giraffe"
"The tender lover's duet, inspired by the mating call of the Irish elk"
"The infamous bonzai hedge maze"

The Foglios are wonderful. :smallbiggrin:

Also, I love the attention to details, such as the coglike fan.

[slayerx]

I mean, the last chapter did begin referencing this legend hardcore, but it doesn't seem important enough to the plot that it couldn't have been left as a nagging hook for sometime later.

Actually, i think the purpose of telling this legend now will tell us what the poeple behind the false Heterodyne girl are really planning

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070713
The attackers are somehow planning on using the Storm King legend to take over the europa and are using a Heterodyne girl. Considering how part of the storm King legend says that a union between the heterodyne girl and the Storm king will bring peace to europa, they may be planning on creating such a union...

Once they legitimize their fake heterodyne girl as the heir they will bring a union between her and the "storm king" and because of the legend people will flock to the pair. a Union between the two of them, one that promises peace for all of europe may be the only thing more charismatic then the return of the heterodyne boys; and thus more dangerous to Klaus's rule than a heterodyne heir alone

The only question left is who is the storm king that they plan on using? Travek is an option, but he does not at all seem to be part of the plan. The other two possibilities is that they either setting up a fake Storm King heir, OR they have on their side ANOTHER true descendent of the storm king... the strom king ruled many years ago and as such, travek and his sister may not have been the ONLY true decedents; for intance Travek's mother could have had a sibling so that he would have a cousin, or he could have an even more removed relative that he does not even know about (family trees and what-not)

Although, i wouldn't be surprised if this old legend helped fuel Travek's ambitions with Agatha

[Oracle_Hunter]

Actually, i think the purpose of telling this legend now will tell us what the poeple behind the false Heterodyne girl are really planning

Yeah, that's what I meant. That page seemed pretty explicit about the base requirements of the plan (okay, first get a female Heterodyne... add one "Storm King" and mix) so I don't think it was strictly necessary to reveal now the whole text of the legend.

Eventually, yes, but like Nerd-o-Rama said, this placement is somewhat oddly timed.

But no complaints on my part! I want to see the Foglios do an Opera Scene (http://youtube.com/watch?v=O2_2kfMerJ4)

[Human Paragon 3]

Good points, Slayerx!

I am really enjoying the opera segue. The opera itself looks... magnificent. I would love to see it in person.

[historycrusader]

My interpretation of the prophecy is a little less ... literal, I guess. I'll spoiler it, because I'm fairly certain the foreshadowing has been done pretty subtly on purpose.

The technical requirements for fulfilling the prophecy are, as mentioned before, specific: a Female Heterodyne and the Storm King, wed. To fans, the Female Heterodyne is unambiguous: Agatha. The role of the Storm King, however, hasn't been defined completely yet.

Gil provided an excellent demonstration of his qualifications to be called the 'Storm King' at the Mechanicsburg gate. You know, calling down lightning?

[Oracle_Hunter]

My interpretation of the prophecy is a little less ... literal, I guess. I'll spoiler it, because I'm fairly certain the foreshadowing has been done pretty subtly on purpose.

The technical requirements for fulfilling the prophecy are, as mentioned before, specific: a Female Heterodyne and the Storm King, wed. To fans, the Female Heterodyne is unambiguous: Agatha. The role of the Storm King, however, hasn't been defined completely yet.

Gil provided an excellent demonstration of his qualifications to be called the 'Storm King' at the Mechanicsburg gate. You know, calling down lightning?

Quite right, of course. Gil and Agatha do seem to be the Official Couple (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OfficialCouple) for the series, with just the right hint of UST (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UST?from=Main.UnresolvedSexualTension) with some of the other male characters. To be honest, I wasn't taking the prophecy a being actually true... but why not?

[North]

I hope this Opera stuff wont take long. I want Jagrmonsers and the castle!

[Jukashi]

That's interesting. Irish Elk went extinct about 7,700 years ago; I wonder how they survived in the girl genius timeline?

[Porthos]

That's interesting. Irish Elk went extinct about 7,700 years ago; I wonder how they survived in the girl genius timeline?

What Man can Destroy, SCIENCE can Revive! :smallcool:

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

MAD SCIENCE, of course. Jeez. You'd think this was Perfectly Normal Earth or something.

[FoE]

That's interesting. Irish Elk went extinct about 7,700 years ago; I wonder how they survived in the girl genius timeline?

We're assuming they're the same Irish elk as in our universe, but since they're only mentioned in passing, they could be radically different. For all we know, the "Irish elk" could be a genetically-engineered species of flesh-eating predators who spit fire. Alternate history, different rules. :smallbiggrin:

I'm kind of interested in how England fares in this universe. From the impressions I've got, it's actually a somewhat isolated nation ruled over by an undying queen. Anyone else have more information?

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

I think we're suffering a little time warping in our return to Plot. The Mechanikopera appears to be in Mechanicsburg not just because of it's similar name, but also because Ms. Exposition is wearing Heterodyne Sigil Earrings.


If I may speak to your contrary, sir, I would believe we are instead in Vienna, Austria. My proof is in 'Ms. Exposition's' dialogue itself.

"...as we await the Vienna Mechanikopera's revival of...."

Though I may still be mistaken, as I often am, the Mechanikopera would supposedly be more or less based in Vienna, not Machanicsburg.

[Nentuaby]

We're assuming they're the same Irish elk as in our universe, but since they're only mentioned in passing, they could be radically different. For all we know, the "Irish elk" could be a genetically-engineered species of flesh-eating predators who spit fire. Alternate history, different rules. :smallbiggrin:

I'm kind of interested in how England fares in this universe. From the impressions I've got, it's actually a somewhat isolated nation ruled over by an undying queen. Anyone else have more information?

Some. It's not only largely isolated, it's nigh-completely isolated. Also, what remains of it is in an underwater dome.

[Oracle_Hunter]

If I may speak to your contrary, sir, I would believe we are instead in Vienna, Austria. My proof is in 'Ms. Exposition's' dialogue itself.

"...as we await the Vienna Mechanikopera's revival of...."

Though I may still be mistaken, as I often am, the Mechanikopera would supposedly be more or less based in Vienna, not Machanicsburg.

For want of a word, the post was lost. :smallsigh:

The only correction is that we are in Vienna, Wulfenreich, not Austria. :smallbiggrin:

[Human Paragon 3]

Some. It's not only largely isolated, it's nigh-completely isolated. Also, what remains of it is in an underwater dome.

Underwater Dome? Sounds cool, and I don't doubt you, but what's the source on this?

[North]

So England is kind of like Atlantis? Crazy, yeah Id also be interested in finding out where this infos from.

[Gez]

Underwater Dome? Sounds cool, and I don't doubt you, but what's the source on this?

Earlier in this thread.
Map! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3701242&postcount=469) Showing what's left of England. Direct link to map. (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/moredetails.aspx?showBleed=false&ProductNo=37587008)
Lucreziagatha enquires about Albia, and Gil alludes to the sorry state Britain is in (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3706728&postcount=475). And again direct (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061122) links (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20060306). "As long as Albia lives, England is closed to Klaus." "Melt what is left of your miserable island to slag!"
Midnight Lurker shows off his leet book-buying skillz (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3706973&postcount=477). No direct link towards printed paper, sorry.

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

For want of a word, the post was lost. :smallsigh:

The only correction is that we are in Vienna, Wulfenreich, not Austria. :smallbiggrin:

Whatever! Sheesh! Correct someone and get a tiny fiction/reality misstep thrown in your face! What is the world come to!

[stm177]

Austria may or may not exist as a province of the Empire.

Today's update is interesting. Will we finally see Zeetha's training pay off?

[FoE]

I think that said convict's ass is going to be stamped into oblivion by the castle. It does have some control, after all.

[Porthos]

Three things:

1) :elan: Nice recap, Agatha. I didn't know you had it in you! :smallsmile:

2) Really nice statues. If we are to be thankful of just one thing for the Castle Heterodyne storyline, it's the impressive background visuals.

3) As stated by a couple of previous posters, I do believe that a certain spike wielding convict will learn the meaning of the word "respect". :smallbiggrin:

[Rockphed]

We have already seen that Agatha is no weakling, and despite all of Zeetha's complaints, she does know how to fight. I suspect that Mr. Convict will be on the floor lamenting for his future generations before he can say another word.

Edit: and I think those are giant Jager Statues. Gotta love them Heterodynes and their crazy creations!

[Gez]

We have already seen that Agatha is no weakling

I think Sparks have the innate capacity of being able to lift and wield any mad science tool or contraption, no matter how cumbersome or heavy it appears to be. (Which explains why Klaus was able to use a clank gun while a bunch of Jagers, despite their superstrength, weren't.)

So, if Agatha's cart is a product of mad science, she'll be able to use it as a mace to squash the offender flat. If it's just a normal cart with not even a little ounce of scienty madness in it, she'll have to find something else, or wait for the Machina Ex Castellis intervention.

[Dorizzit]

The poor, doomed fool. He doesn't know what he's gotten himself into. :smallbiggrin:

Edit: also, the statues seem to have horns, indicating that they are not Jaegers.

[GGfan]

Yeah, most of the statues in Mechanicsburg have the horns, so I'm not too surprised to see them in the castle as well. But then, some of the Jagers have horns too, notably the generals and Oggie (except he only has one).

[battleburn]

Are you kidding. If the castle would interfere with something like this it would be suspicious. I think Agatha is going to have to do this herself.

If the castle would be so protective of newcomers that guy wouldn't be trying this out of being dead already/seeing someone else die because of it

Finally back to the main story. Or was that last page part of the main story? In that case... I don't get it.

[stm177]

Are you kidding. If the castle would interfere with something like this it would be suspicious...



The castle isn't a chess player. It's more likely to do what it wants when it wants.

[Human Paragon 3]

I think Sparks have the innate capacity of being able to lift and wield any mad science tool or contraption, no matter how cumbersome or heavy it appears to be. (Which explains why Klaus was able to use a clank gun while a bunch of Jagers, despite their superstrength, weren't.)

So, if Agatha's cart is a product of mad science, she'll be able to use it as a mace to squash the offender flat. If it's just a normal cart with not even a little ounce of scienty madness in it, she'll have to find something else, or wait for the Machina Ex Castellis intervention.


I think Klaus was able to lift the clank gun because he is a super strong Construct, most likely of his own design, (or possibly Barry's?)

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

It was just a little Clank Gun! The Jaegers had a freaking Tock-type Clank Gun! Vastly different sizes and weights!

[BRC]

I think that physically, sparks are stronger/faster then an average human, but not especially so, given equal equipment, a trained non-spark vs untrained spark, the non spark will win.
That said, due to their massive intellect, sparks are proably able to fight smarter, as well as being able to master fighting much faster than normal humans. Let's take Gil for example, he's an incrediable swordsman, but I don't think that it's sparkiness alone that does that. However, said spark does mean he can outthink his opponents, and learn the most effective fencing methods quickly. In terms of the clank gun, that was proably because it was a smaller clank, and because Klaus is really strong. He proably couldn't fire it very accuratally, but he didn't really need to there.

[FoE]

I think Klaus was able to lift the clank gun because he is a super strong Construct, most likely of his own design, (or possibly Barry's?)


It was just a little Clank Gun! The Jaegers had a freaking Tock-type Clank Gun! Vastly different sizes and weights!

Agreed on both counts. As we see from this strip (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20030430), the "Clank Gun" used by the Jagers was really more like a tank turret, and as we see from this strip (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040730), Klaus has super-strength, as evidenced by his knocking out a Jager with one punch.

[stm177]

I think Klaus was able to lift the clank gun because he is a super strong Construct, most likely of his own design, (or possibly Barry's?)

I swear I read somewhere that Klaus was assembled by his spark parents from three brothers after a sparky accident.

[FoE]

In the naughty flashback scene, some of his flesh does seem to be a different colour than the rest. There might be something to that.

[North]

And didnt they show how his chest was a patchwork of stitches everywhere at some point? I dont know if hes a constuct. But hes certainly been upgraded.

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

He's probably been patched back together a few times. From the snippets of Heterodyne Stories we've seen, he's not the luckiest chap in action.

[FoE]

Klaus: Damage?

Gil: Seven broken ribs. Severe fracture: right leg. Fractured clavicle. Some crush injury, but the kidneys appear unharmed. First and second degree burns on upper back and lower legs. Third degree on the lower back. Four broken fingers, three broken toes, sprained and bruised mscles throughout — major and minor lacerations, and a concussion.

Klaus: Mmf. I've had worse.

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070706

[stm177]

In the naughty flashback scene, some of his flesh does seem to be a different colour than the rest. There might be something to that.

Maybe the Foglios will make a short story about him at some point. (Crosses fingers)

[Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins]

That to, FoE.

[Rutee]

What's the betting Agatha converts a Spark or two loyal to the Imposter?

[Oracle_Hunter]

What's the betting Agatha converts a Spark or two loyal to the Imposter?

I don't see it. These are not Mechanicsburgers, so they're not Heterodyne prone. I bet she'll get the white-haired kid (she seems the most likable of the chain gang) and maybe some other random neutral types (not yet shown). Take a look at the visible crew (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070806) if you want to pick out others.

She's not getting Tiktoffen unless he suddenly decides he wants to save the Castle - which considering it just kills everyone, he probably won't. But if anyone else will defect from Zola, it would be him, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Oh, and Von Zinzer (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20041217), if he shows up (which is highly probable (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040126)).

[Rutee]

Well, it's not like it's /just/ Mechanicsburghers. Granted that they're only children, but Klaus pointed out that the fact that she was auto-converting others on Castle Wulfenbach was part of /why/ he had to eliminate Agatha. Well, Children and Gil.. Forcing conversion seems to be part of the sparkiness, not /just/ a Mechanicsburg minion bit.

[Ganurath]

Well, it's not like it's /just/ Mechanicsburghers. Granted that they're only children, but Klaus pointed out that the fact that she was auto-converting others on Castle Wulfenbach was part of /why/ he had to eliminate Agatha. Well, Children and Gil.. Forcing conversion seems to be part of the sparkiness, not /just/ a Mechanicsburg minion bit.Occam's Razor says it's just natural charisma, not the Heterodyne Spark or the Voice of the Other.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

I think that said convict's ass is going to be stamped into oblivion by the castle. It does have some control, after all.

Regardless of whether it has it or not, I'm thinking that the castle will be happy just watching Agatha deal - it is still in "testing" mode. He may dispose of the remains, promptiong the classic exchange "wait a second, if you could open that pit to get rid of the body, why didn't you open it before I had to kick his behind?" - "Because I wanted to know if you *could* kick his sorry behind" - "But he might have killed me!" - "Then you wouldn't have been the Heterodyne Heir", or words to that effect.

Hope that helps,

Grey Wolf

[SnowballMan]

Occam's Razor says it's just natural charisma, not the Heterodyne Spark or the Voice of the Other.

In a world where mad scientist routinely create overcomplicated mechanical clanks, hideous unstoppable monsters, and uber-wepaons of doom capable of killing everyone(simply because they tossed them out of the university), somehow Occam's Razor just doesn't seem to apply.

Personally, I think it's because she habitually shows up in her underwear.

[stm177]

The stronger the spark, the stronger their unnatural charisma is. All the sparks seem to have the Voice too. That's what Lucrezia used when she created her zombies, although her zombies are keyed to respond only to her Voice.

[LurkerInPlayground]

I think that physically, sparks are stronger/faster then an average human, but not especially so, given equal equipment, a trained non-spark vs untrained spark, the non spark will win.
That said, due to their massive intellect, sparks are proably able to fight smarter, as well as being able to master fighting much faster than normal humans. Let's take Gil for example, he's an incrediable swordsman, but I don't think that it's sparkiness alone that does that. However, said spark does mean he can outthink his opponents, and learn the most effective fencing methods quickly. In terms of the clank gun, that was proably because it was a smaller clank, and because Klaus is really strong. He proably couldn't fire it very accuratally, but he didn't really need to there.
It had occurred to you that it may just be that the Wulfenbachs are just unusually athletic as well as Sparky? Agatha has "pretty good reflexes," but this is probably independent of her Spark. Bill and Barry are in their in special category of legends. They're from either the Heterodyne and Wulfenbach family, they're supposed to be a little above the ordinary

I think this has more to do with these characters being heroic and less to do with them being Sparks. For example, neither of the Mongfish Spark are shown to be especially athletic in any of their portrayals or characterizations.

In other words, correlation does not equal causation.

[BRC]

It had occurred to you that it may just be that the Wulfenbachs are just unusually athletic as well as Sparky? Agatha has "pretty good reflexes," but this is probably independent of her Spark. Bill and Barry are in their in special category of legends. They're from either the Heterodyne and Wulfenbach family, they're supposed to be a little above the ordinary

I think this has more to do with these characters being heroic and less to do with them being Sparks. For example, neither of the Mongfish Spark are shown to be especially athletic in any of their portrayals or characterizations.

In other words, correlation does not equal causation.
A perfectally valid argument. I have a feeling that long-time sparks proably have beeter reflexes and can run faster though. No, the spark dosn't give them that, it's just that the ones who can't run fast don't live.

[LurkerInPlayground]

A perfectally valid argument. I have a feeling that long-time sparks proably have beeter reflexes and can run faster though. No, the spark dosn't give them that, it's just that the ones who can't run fast don't live.
No, you're just refusing to make the obvious conclusion. In a lot of cases your "slightly better" is simply "not good enough." For example, Doctor Beetle is old and short. So is Klaus. Notice the huge gap in physique?

A given Spark might be slightly stronger of faster than average. Which is to say exactly that everybody else can be slightly faster or stronger than average. In other words, it depends on the talents you were born with. This is independent of the Spark.

Tarvek is rather soundly beaten by one of the Geisterdamen here:
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061020
And I'd hazard a guess this is because the she's got the benefit of training, a sword and the superior physique of a construct. If Klaus were placed in the same situation, he would probably end up strangling the Geisterdamen with her own guts, whether she be armed or no.

[stm177]

What do people think about the art in Girl Genius? I don't know if the mods allow linking to other forums, but there's one famous forum of dyspeptic webcomic artists that is pretty rough on Phil Foglio.

Personally, I like the cartoonish art style - fanservice and all. (or I wouldn't be reading it).

[Oracle_Hunter]

What do people think about the art in Girl Genius? I don't know if the mods allow linking to other forums, but there's one famous forum of dyspeptic webcomic artists that is pretty rough on Phil Foglio.

Personally, I like the cartoonish art style - fanservice and all. (or I wouldn't be reading it).

There are people who object to the Art of Foglio? But why... it is so beautiful! The intricate machinery, the dazzling architecture, the subtle humor in the background... and let's not forget the character design!

I suppose if you don't like "comic book art" you wouldn't like Foglio... or if you objected to the subject matter / character design based off of some critical theory, but I've always felt that Girl Genius is a paragon of its style.

Sorry for the fanboy gushing :smallredface:

[slayerx]

What do people think about the art in Girl Genius? I don't know if the mods allow linking to other forums, but there's one famous forum of dyspeptic webcomic artists that is pretty rough on Phil Foglio.

Personally, I like the cartoonish art style - fanservice and all. (or I wouldn't be reading it).

I doubt the mods have any rules against linking to other forums... i'd frankly liked to see who these tasteless webcomic "artists" are. Really, there is pretty much nothing not to like about Girl geniu's art style, it's some of the best in all of webcomic-dom... not only is it very pretty in many respects but the characters are really able to express themselves and the character design is rather well done...

[BRC]

No, you're just refusing to make the obvious conclusion. In a lot of cases your "slightly better" is simply "not good enough." For example, Doctor Beetle is old and short. So is Klaus. Notice the huge gap in physique?

A given Spark might be slightly stronger of faster than average. Which is to say exactly that everybody else can be slightly faster or stronger than average. In other words, it depends on the talents you were born with. This is independent of the Spark.

Tarvek is rather soundly beaten by one of the Geisterdamen here:
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061020
And I'd hazard a guess this is because the she's got the benefit of training, a sword and the superior physique of a construct. If Klaus were placed in the same situation, he would probably end up strangling the Geisterdamen with her own guts, whether she be armed or no.

I was actually kind of joking in the last part of my main post, the evidence is definetally in your favor. I'm not quite sure where I was getting my logic anyway.

[SAMAS]

I don't see it. These are not Mechanicsburgers, so they're not Heterodyne prone. I bet she'll get the white-haired kid (she seems the most likable of the chain gang) and maybe some other random neutral types (not yet shown). Take a look at the visible crew (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070806) if you want to pick out others.

She's not getting Tiktoffen unless he suddenly decides he wants to save the Castle - which considering it just kills everyone, he probably won't. But if anyone else will defect from Zola, it would be him, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Oh, and Von Zinzer (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20041217), if he shows up (which is highly probable (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040126)). Well, that depends on how "Loyal" those are. I mean, there's "Loyal", Then there's "Devoted", and on the other side: "Working for"

[stm177]

I doubt the mods have any rules against linking to other forums... i'd frankly liked to see who these tasteless webcomic "artists" are. Really, there is pretty much nothing not to like about Girl geniu's art style, it's some of the best in all of webcomic-dom... not only is it very pretty in many respects but the characters are really able to express themselves and the character design is rather well done...

http://www.truthandbeautybombs.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13659 <-- Girl Genius thread
http://www.truthandbeautybombs.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14279&start=0 <-- WCCA thread complaining about which comics got nominations, and GG getting too many.

[Gez]

What do people think about the art in Girl Genius?
Phil Foglio's art is a mixture of awesome and win, seasoned with wonderful and with a bit of marvelous on top.


I don't know if the mods allow linking to other forums, but there's one famous forum of dyspeptic webcomic artists that is pretty rough on Phil Foglio.
Well, there are stupid people everywhere.

Looking at these links, they seem to object to people drawing in a cartoony style.

[Porthos]

Looking at these links, they seem to object to people drawing in a cartoony style.

It's a common (and very old) complaint. And one I tend to ignore (much like I tend to ignore the comments about how he draws women). It suits the style of his comics, so that's good enuf for me. :smallsmile:

Yeah it ain't "photo-realistic", or any sort of "realistic". Good. It lets us get the trippy scenes we get in both GG and Buck Godot. I mean, might as well complain about a comic that based on Magna-style art while you're at it.

Besdies, anyone who looks at either early Buck Godot or the What's New strips can see just how much he's improved as an artist. And I'm not saying he was bad before. Just that he's gotten a lot better.*

*Course his tools have also gotten a lot better, but that's beside the point. :smalltongue:

[Oracle_Hunter]

Wow, when did Agatha cross-class to Badass (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TookALevelInBadass)? Sure, she's got pretty badass when she has Mad Science to call on, but when was the last time she actually physically took down someone? And I mean with something besides Waif Fu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu).

Still, nicely done, and the odds are looking good that the Lady Wilhelm is going to be "best buds" with Agatha. Add one Von Zinzer and stir lightly, and my plot recipe will be complete!

[Farmerbob]

Wow, when did Agatha cross-class to Badass (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TookALevelInBadass)? Sure, she's got pretty badass when she has Mad Science to call on, but when was the last time she actually physically took down someone? And I mean with something besides Waif Fu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu).

Still, nicely done, and the odds are looking good that the Lady Wilhelm is going to be "best buds" with Agatha. Add one Von Zinzer and stir lightly, and my plot recipe will be complete!

Well she HAS been doing some Training From Hell (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrainingFromHell) with Zeetha.

[Ganurath]

Well she HAS been doing some Training From Hell (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrainingFromHell) with Zeetha.And fencing on Castle Wulfenbach... and just socializing with the Jaegers can teach you all sorts of violent tricks.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Well she HAS been doing some Training From Hell (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrainingFromHell) with Zeetha.

Quite true, but it just hasn't really shown has it? Agatha's been in lots of dangerous situations since Zeetha started training her, yet what about the last time she was without Science (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070629)? Or the time before that (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061023)? The both resemble Waif Fu more than her current Badass state... though in retrospect, it does look like she's trained in a Jackie Chan-esque Improvised Weapons Dojo.

Oh, it's not a complaint, by the way, just interesting how this last exchange looked less like Waif Fu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WaifFu) and more like I Know Kung FU (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IKnowKungFu) - particularly since Zeetha's training didn't seem to actually teach her fighting techniques, not even in the Ramna 1/2 manner.

Also: Dominic Deegan isn't posting (much) this week, and I need something to criticize :smalltongue:

[Nerd-o-rama]

I think you're being overly analytical here, OH. Agatha's been a good fighter since Zeetha started training her (and I gather the training has mostly been muscle/pain tolerance/reflex building so far, rather than martial arts). She just managed a couple of fancier moves than hitting someone over the head this time. In this case, I'd say the difference has either been

a) a couple extra weeks of off-camera training, in which they moved on to combat forms, or
b) the fact that she was expecting an attack (unlike usually) and had a chance to plan out a disabling move in advance.

Or both. Regardless, I also don't think the Foglios are as obsessed with TVTropes as we are, and the difference between Agatha's alleged two styles of fighting (waif fu vs. kung fu), wouldn't occur to them.

It's alright, though. Your favored enemy is in hiding this week, and I understand the frustration.

[GGfan]

It might just be the fact that she's in a situation where she doesn't need to/ isn't responsible for protecting anyone else. In both the previous situations, there were other people in danger, and part of what Agatha was trying to do was to distract attention away from them. Also, there seems to be a lurking quality of "mean"-ness in just about everyone, and reflections on the probability of encountering people who need protection in the castle and on her own danger (witness the recap on the previous page) have probably brought at least some of those qualities into play here. Just look at her expression in the next to last panel!

And isn't it satisfying to watch her take care of herself so efficiently!

[Ganurath]

Might I note that Agatha's method isn't really martial arts, but an application of an understanding of physics and anatomy in the domain of violence? She had a heavy weight on wheels, and she knew how to leverage it properly to get the desired result. That isn't martial arts, that's science.

[BRC]

Might I note that Agatha's method isn't really martial arts, but an application of an understanding of physics and anatomy in the domain of violence? She had a heavy weight on wheels, and she knew how to leverage it properly to get the desired result. That isn't martial arts, that's science.
In the words of Agatha "This isn't fencing, it's swinging wildly"

[Oracle_Hunter]

Might I note that Agatha's method isn't really martial arts, but an application of an understanding of physics and anatomy in the domain of violence? She had a heavy weight on wheels, and she knew how to leverage it properly to get the desired result. That isn't martial arts, that's science.

Ah, just like Ice Princess (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0396652/) where a nerd's understanding of physics allows her to become a champion figure skater.

This is absolutely I Know Kung Fu (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IKnowKungFu) then :smallbiggrin:

[Nerd-o-rama]

Like I said, she had a chance to plan this one. Let's just call this style "Spark Fu", since it's disabling people with applied Science! instead of specific martial arts training or muscle, and be done with it.

[chionophile]

Spark Fu? I like it. You should submit it to TVTropes (or however that works; I've tried not to let myself get addicted to that).

[Oracle_Hunter]

Spark Fu? I like it. You should submit it to TVTropes (or however that works; I've tried not to let myself get addicted to that).

Give in to the Dark Side (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDarkSide)... because Thou Must (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButThouMust).

Also, "Spark Fu" would fall under Martial Arts and Crafts (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MartialArtsAndCrafts).

[Ganurath]

Give in to the Dark Side (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDarkSide)... because Thou Must (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButThouMust).

Also, "Spark Fu" would fall under Martial Arts and Crafts (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MartialArtsAndCrafts).So that's why Zeetha has the shovel.

[Oracle_Hunter]

So that's why Zeetha has the shovel.

Wait... what? I demand a link!

[TigerHunter]

Wait... what? I demand a link!
*ninja links* (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070910)

[Oracle_Hunter]

*ninja links* (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070910)

Phew, I was afraid I had gone insane when I couldn't remember that scene.

Yes, yes, I suppose that would explain it. Or Zeetha really likes to keep her battlefields neat :smallbiggrin:

[SnowballMan]

http://www.truthandbeautybombs.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=13659 <-- Girl Genius thread
http://www.truthandbeautybombs.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=14279&start=0 <-- WCCA thread complaining about which comics got nominations, and GG getting too many.

Feel the love.

Seems to be the kind of people that only enjoy tearing things down. Got the distinct impression many of them hadn't looked past the one link. If even that.

Seeing that forum makes me much more appreciative of the ones that enforce the 'do not double-post' rule.

[Ganurath]

Phew, I was afraid I had gone insane when I couldn't remember that scene.You still read DD.
Yes, yes, I suppose that would explain it. Or Zeetha really likes to keep her battlefields neat :smallbiggrin:You've seen how she fights just as well as I have. Girl's a reckless berserker, there is no 'neat' to her battles.

[Gez]

Feel the love.
Yeah. When I see Aaron D, the author of Dresden Codak, rag on GG, PA and XKCD, I can't help but think it's more a question of jealousy than any other thing.

When Girl Genius, Penny Arcade and XKCD show up this much, it becomes more obvious that it's a contest of popularity rather than quality.
Especially when I compare with what he said here (http://dresdencodak.com/cartoons/dc_032.htm):

Monthly Comic Endorsement: I don't think I've ever said this before, but if you like Dresden Codak, you'll probably really like xkcd. It too is a comic about science and related numina, although it's less about arts and more about smarts. It is one of the best comics, so read it please.
You'll notice XKCD is also on his link page (http://dresdencodak.com/links/index.htm).

Dresden Codak is an excellent webcomic, when it's updated. Aaron D does his comic full time (http://dresdencodak.com/gallery/st_13.html), but it's still in a state of quasi-perpetual hiatus. The Foglios, on the other hand, have successfully built their publishing empire, or at least principality, and still manage to advance their webcomic three-weekly while at the same time also publishing older stories (Buck Godot and What's New?) on a complimentary schedule.

So... Yeah. I think it's a jealousy issue.

[chionophile]

Pix is very snarky :smallbiggrin:.

I'm not sure the kitchen is where Agatha needs to be. Can she do whatever the hell it is she needs to do from in front of a stove?

[Rockphed]

Agatha's reason for being in the castle ROCKS!

My money is that it is Moloch Von Zinzer at the stove!

[Ganurath]

Agatha's reason for being in the castle ROCKS!

My money is that it is Moloch Von Zinzer at the stove!Oh, that would make things interesting... Of course, I'm pretty sure we saw the entire assembly during the Fake Heterodyne's speech.

[Gez]

Oh, that would make things interesting... Of course, I'm pretty sure we saw the entire assembly during the Fake Heterodyne's speech.

Not if the cook is cloistered in the kitchen...

[FoE]

I was thinking about Talk Like A Pirate Day a little while ago, and I was wondering how full of awesomeness it would be to organize a "Talk Like a Jagermonster" day. Any thoughts?

[Gez]

I was thinking about Talk Like A Pirate Day a little while ago, and I was wondering how full of awesomeness it would be to organize a "Talk Like a Jagermonster" day. Any thoughts?

It would be mostly "Talk with a comically bad German accent" for the uninitiated...

[Rockphed]

I was thinking about Talk Like A Pirate Day a little while ago, and I was wondering how full of awesomeness it would be to organize a "Talk Like a Jagermonster" day. Any thoughts?

All the way to the top full of Awesome! Now if only I actually knew anybody else who followed GG. Err, In real life that is.

[Tirian]

I'm not sure the kitchen is where Agatha needs to be. Can she do whatever the hell it is she needs to do from in front of a stove?

I, um, think that's why she claimed to have committed culinary-inspired mass murder. Now nobody will want her to be in the kitchen.

[Ganurath]

I, um, think that's why she claimed to have committed culinary-inspired mass murder. Now nobody will want her to be in the kitchen.Unless she turns out to be decent. If she is, they won't need to worry about poison because she won't be complaining.

[Oracle_Hunter]

Unless she turns out to be decent. If she is, they won't need to worry about poison because she won't be complaining.

But if she cooks decently, why did 37 people complain? :smallwink:

Seriously though, Cooking "is just chemistry?" Does that mean that the Pie Man is only one of many Spark chefs? Should we be worried about self-butchering cows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#The_Restaur ant_at_the_End_of_the_Universe)? Bread that sends you to heaven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakitate%21%21_Japan)?

I tremble at the thought of a Heterodyne-class Chef! :smalleek:

[Porthos]

Agatha's reason for being in the castle ROCKS!

My money is that it is Moloch Von Zinzer at the stove!

I must echo this. Hooray for the return of Von Zin! :smallbiggrin:

[Gez]

Moloch definitely has a name fit to operate a stove.

[sihnfahl]

But if she cooks decently, why did 37 people complain? :smallwink:
Because she had 'inventive' recipes. More butter, less nutmeg!


Seriously though, Cooking "is just chemistry?" Does that mean that the Pie Man is only one of many Spark chefs?
Why would he be the only one?
And, to a Spark, yes, cooking is just chemistry. Interaction of specific substances put together in a set ratio and subjected to manipulation of some sort for a set time period = exactly the same as making, say, TNT.
Now, whether they use CONVENTIONAL ingredients is another matter entirely. I hear the caviar-topped banana pie wasn't that much of a hit.


I tremble at the thought of a Heterodyne-class Chef! :smalleek:
We've already seen what happens when she makes coffee....

[Farmerbob]

But if she cooks decently, why did 37 people complain? :smallwink:

Seriously though, Cooking "is just chemistry?" Does that mean that the Pie Man is only one of many Spark chefs? Should we be worried about self-butchering cows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#The_Restaur ant_at_the_End_of_the_Universe)? Bread that sends you to heaven (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakitate%21%21_Japan)?

I tremble at the thought of a Heterodyne-class Chef! :smalleek:

I had a great aunt who was a chemist. She invented a number of artificial flavors, including the orange juice flavor that I only see now in cheap hotels (mmm fresh orange juice...). Long story short, she was pretty much the worst cook ever. Chemistry is pretty much nothing like cooking.

[Rockphed]

I had a great aunt who was a chemist. She invented a number of artificial flavors, including the orange juice flavor that I only see now in cheap hotels (mmm fresh orange juice...). Long story short, she was pretty much the worst cook ever. Chemistry is pretty much nothing like cooking.

It is more accurate to say that making chemicals explodes has nothing to do with making food taste good. In most chemistry, reactants are completely reacted. In Cooking, good food is only partly reacted.

[thorgrim29]

Yup, von zinzer at the kitchen is my bet too, after all he is there, and we know he survives to this point, so why not? Oh and horray for the end of the filler, now I just need to know what the jagers are doing to Gil and I'll be happy(er).

[Rockphed]

I think that the Jagers are getting into a fight with Captain Vole. It will probably level an entire city block and include a choreographed dance scene at the end of which Ognian and Vole with have an epic duel only to be stopped by the castle coming online and ordering them to stop acting like idiots.

[Ganurath]

I tremble at the thought of a Heterodyne-class Chef! :smalleek:The clams had axes!

[Gez]

I think that the Jagers are getting into a fight with Captain Vole. It will probably level an entire city block and include a choreographed dance scene at the end of which Ognian and Vole with have an epic duel only to be stopped by the castle coming online and ordering them to stop acting like idiots.

Needs more rollerskating giraffes.

[eMpTy Kay]

Unless she turns out to be decent. If she is, they won't need to worry about poison because she won't be complaining.

I think this is what happened. Agatha was asked if she could cook, which she answered honestly, but when she found out she would be stuck in the kitchen if she could cook. Mentioned about "the poisoning" to lay the groundwork for being a bad cook. Afterall, she needs to get to the Library, and she can't do that if she is stuck in the kitchen.

[SnowballMan]

Well, being the cook has the advantage that she could poison anyone that would likely be a threat to her plans, including the false Heterodyne.

What?

Come on, I can't have been the only one to think of it.

Stop looking at me that way, it's a perfectly legitimate strategy.

[stm177]

That's half the plot twists in "Song of Ice and Fire", Snowman! :smallbiggrin:

And GG is more happy, bouncy, high fantasy than that.

[Porthos]

:elan: dun Dun DUN!!!! (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080218)

Okay, we all knew it was coming. But it was still worth a dun Dun DUN. :smallbiggrin:

What's more interesting is that Moloch at this time doesn't know that Agatha Clay is in fact Agatha, Heir to the Heterodynes. Should be interesting to see his reaction as he finds out. :smallcool:

[Rockphed]

That's half the plot twists in "Song of Ice and Fire", Snowman! :smallbiggrin:

And GG is more happy, bouncy, high fantasy than that.

No, Agatha will create a cake construct that will attack and kill the false Heterodyne's minions one by one until it is a bloated mass 10 feet across and engages in an epic duel with Zola atop the highest tower while war clanks exchange artillery fire from opposite side of the city and lightning crackles in the distance!

[BRC]

Hey, Moloch is back!

[slayerx]

What's more interesting is that Moloch at this time doesn't know that Agatha Clay is in fact Agatha, Heir to the Heterodynes. Should be interesting to see his reaction as he finds out. :smallcool:
Actually, that's not 100% certain... afterall, he was shipped out after her escape... no telling what he might have by chance overheard... granted, i'm willing to bet he doesn't know

the next two comics will be interesting ones, i mean, it's hard to guess how this will all play out. Likely her real name might pop up, but Agatha can easily ride off the "i have used a lot of fake names" which is not gonna be too surprising to hear; probably a common story for criminals. Though Moloch could do a lot of damage to her cover non-the-less... gotta wonder how much he will say before Agatha fines a way to shut him up until they can talk alone.

and we can rather guess that Moloch will end up being one of the people to help out Agatha, but you got to ask how shaky that road is gonna be. The two have always been on bad terms and then there's the case of Moloch's brother, whom Moloch STILL thinks Agatha is responsible for killing. wouldn't be surprised if at first Moloch sells her out only to turn back to her side later or something...

[Aidan305]

I doubt we'll see much of a reaction from Von Zinzer until he and Agatha are alone together. We know that he's good at keeping his cards close to his chest, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to bluff Klaus for as long as he did. I doubt he'll trust Agatha at first after what she's indirectly put him through, but he'll probably reluctantly join her in order to be able to escape the castle.

[eMpTy Kay]

(snip)The two have always been on bad terms and then there's the case of Moloch's brother, whom Moloch STILL thinks Agatha is responsible for killing. I can actually see this work in Agatha's favor.

Wilhelm to Molach: You know each other?

Molach: Yes, she responcible for my brother's death!

[Farmerbob]

I can actually see this work in Agatha's favor.

Wilhelm to Molach: You know each other?

Molach: Yes, she responcible for my brother's death!

He's going to call her a mad girl :P

[slayerx]

Y'know another thought occurred... Gil is probably about to be handed a few more bad points in Agatha's eyes. After-all, when Agatha asks Moloch why the hell he is in the castle, who do you think he's gonna pin the blame on?


I doubt we'll see much of a reaction from Von Zinzer until he and Agatha are alone together. We know that he's good at keeping his cards close to his chest, otherwise he wouldn't have been able to bluff Klaus for as long as he did. I doubt he'll trust Agatha at first after what she's indirectly put him through, but he'll probably reluctantly join her in order to be able to escape the castle.
Maybe... but i wouldn't be so sure... i mean, would he think that he actually has any use for Agatha? i mean, back at the Baron's castle she was useful, but here she doesn't show as much. Maybe if Moloch knew she was a spark he would find her useful, but other than that... not really...

If he needed and extra hand to help him escape he could find it in other prisoners and not need Agatha if he had a decent idea of how to get out... i guess we'd also have to question how long he's been in the castle and how much his hopes have shattered... the more hopeless he is, the less likely he'll want to make use of Agatha.

[seedjar]

So, has Von Zinzer made any appearances yet in vol. 7/8, or are we just assuming he made it there (and isn't dead yet?)
~Joe

PS - Anybody know if the reference to Rich/OOTS that appears on pg. 11 of vol. 7 was in the print edition?

[BRC]

Read the most recent, It's Von Zinzer

[seedjar]

Ah I see... I must've mistook his name for somebody else's.
~Joe

[battleburn]

I don't remember seeing him sent to the castle.
Where does that happen? Can anyone give a link?

This really is going to be interesting. He knows she is a spark, but doesn't know who she really is, but now that he is here in her town. You can bet he has seen the shape of Agatha's medallion before. He might make a link now.

[Sampi]

Here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20041217), volume 4. See the destination tag on the cage.

Is volume 7 even in print yet? I've only seen them up to 6. But I doubt they'll change the texts on the ads for the printing.