OOTS #1030 - The Discussion Thread

[The Giant]

New comic is up.

[Origamite]

Forget Durcula.
From now on I'm using "the Thorsaken".
Or Greg. That works too.

[CoffeeIncluded]

I wonder how much of this was influenced by the forum. I have to say though, I really like "Thorsaken" and "Hel's Shell".

[Blisstake]

Those are some fantastic names. I guess we'll have to stick with Durkon* though :smalltongue:

[Prospekt]

The Thorsaken is pretty good.

I mean, not as inventive as Greg, but it's up there.

[Mando Knight]

Finally the Order gets to considering the question we've been pondering for months: what to call the vampire formerly known as Durkon.

[Ruck]

Nice. Been good to have a couple of strips of light humor to break up the tension before the conflicts come to a head again.

I'm going with "Greg," myself.

[nephilia]

Vanilla Durkon!

[Cartographer7]

Haha! That's amazing. A great parody of the forum :smalltongue:

[illyahr]

Well played, Giant. Well played. :smallbiggrin:

[Ornithologist]

Serious trolling there Giant!

My favorite is greg... For some reason.

[Vinsfeld]

Belkar is comedy gold.

EDIT: Also, my vote is for Greg

[Shennynerd]

Is this the first time we've seen a full face shot of Vaarsuvius? It's certainly one of the few. It really stands out to me.

[Ornithologist]

Belkar is comedy gold

I bet quite a few of those names came from Elan.

[Ivrytwr]

The Thorsaken!
Laughed out loud.
Wait ... Greg?
Thanks Giant, I think?

[Strigon]

I'm upset that they used "Nos-fur-atu" instead of "Norse-feratu.

[Rift_Wolf]

Phyrnglsnyx conspicuously, and understandably, absent.

[Randomguy]

I love the Leeky Windstaff callback with Leechy Veinquaff.

[Vinsfeld]

I bet quite a few of those names came from Elan.

Not just the naming part. But also the moron thing and the trolling question.

[Sylian]

I like Undurkon. Still, "Durkon" is not a bad option, perhaps we should use that for the forums as well?

[Anarion]

If there's a name with a pun in it, they'll suggest it. The best part is blackwing raising his wing with a suggestion in that panel. Love it.

[HolderofSecrets]

Are you sure we can't call him Nega-Dwarf? I mean if we can't call him Nega-Dwarf, can we get another character called that?:smallbiggrin:

[Grey Watcher]

"Pastor Expiration" has my vote, just barely edging out "The Creature Preacher".

But "Greg" is easier to type, so I might just go with that.

[Guancyto]

I wonder how much of this was influenced by the forum. I have to say though, I really like "Thorsaken" and "Hel's Shell".
For some reason "Pastor Expiration" makes me laugh uproariously and I have no idea why.

[Havelocke]

omg HILARIOUS! I love that the different names came gushing out of the team like that, TOO FUNNY. Thank you Giant for such a light hearted strip about a very serious subject. <first page woot!>

[ackmondual]

Hel's Bitch, but that probably won't be able to make it in :x

And from the last panel, we know the airship went behind, not in front of that mountain :smallamused:

[maxon]

Very funny.

'Please stop' - is that a request?

[foobar1969]

It must be said: Giant, are you just trolling us at this point?

p.s. Alphabetically, "GREG" is not very far away from "HPOH".

[Kantaki]

Really Roy, you should have seen this coming.:smallbiggrin:
Unfortunately we don't see who is responsible for which suggestion.

[John Whorfin]

If/when Belkar ceases breathing I sincerely hope he still can talk. I'll miss his wit.

[Keltest]

I too like Greg. I was a bit disappointed that Phyr-whatever didn't make it there though.

[durron597]

I'm a big fan of The Thorsaken myself.

[Mordokai]

I will be highly suspicious if Belkar doesn't get an infraction for using the T word :smalltongue: Considering how many times it's happened to me...

Smirked quite a lot at this one... not that the latest comics have been bad in any way, but this one is my favourite in a while, for sheer comedic value.

[littlebum2002]

It very well may be a coincidence, but I have felt a lot of fanservice from this strip lately. I'm loving it.

[John Whorfin]

I'm betting that Blackwing came up with "Greg". I'm also guessing that that was his only suggestion.

[Ruck]

Ha, I just realized that Roy's "catching up on reading" is referring to the book Wrecan gave him. Can't wait to see him put what he learns into action.

[chy03001]

I'm glad Elan gets a happy ending at the end. He's been nothing but lovable and may have increased his ability score in wis/int at one of his leveling-ups.

[Psyren]

I have a new favorite strip :smallbiggrin: Well, at least from a "poking at the fora" standpoint.

And now that "Durkula" is officially in the comic in some capacity, I have no problems using it. Sanctioned!

[Edhelras]

You know, in the novel "Galapagos" by Kurt Vonnegut, the people who are about to die have an asterix before their names, like *Durkon.

Please, Giant, tell me - did you read that book? I read it just now, although it was published in 1985. Isn't that a freak coincidence? :smalleek:

[GregTD]

Greg?
I'm flattered, although I assume it's actually a different "Greg". :-)

I think Nose-Fur-atu is my favorite.

[RblDiver]

I'm a fan of Pastor Expiration myself!

[Iferus]

The Thorsaken is a great name!

[Fitzclowningham]

I'm upset that they used "Nos-fur-atu" instead of "Norse-feratu.

"Nose Fur" - it's about his mustache.

[Moran]

Durkon 2.0?
Advanced Durkon & Whiskers?

[Porthos]

Never was the ":smallwink:" in a thread title on this forum more appropriate. :smallamused:

...

Durkon* it is! :smallbiggrin:

[eru001]

I for one think we should go with Durkacola Classic

[KorvinStarmast]

I'm a fan of Pastor Expiration myself! Between Pastor Expiration and the above mentioned "Norse-feratu" (nice) we have some good substitutes for Durkula.

Durkon First Edition made me grin.

[zql]

I love the full front faces, they always seemed a little bit odd for me, but in this new art they look amazing. I didn't like much the last art upgrade at the beginning, but now I love it, every update I get my eyes capture by some new detail.

[Bulldog Psion]

I like Norse-feratu, all right. I've called him Lurky Corpsewhiskers for a long while now, but this seems like a refreshing change.

[ti'esar]

:smallbiggrin:

I can't believe that the Giant actually went there. Fantastic.

Also, the panel 3 exchange was hilarious.

[DaggerPen]

*wheezing from laughing so hard*

Oh my god. I expected this from the title but it was even better than I'd anticipated.

At least Phrynglsnx or however it's spelled didn't make the cut

[Snails]

Oooooooo! Foreshadowing.

What is Roy reading?

[Grey Watcher]

I just wonder how long Rich's been sitting on all of those puns, waiting to unleash them upon us.

[Albion]

What, nobody likes "Jerkon"? That was elegant in its simplicity! And "Nokrud" of course... :smallsmile:

[DaggerPen]

I just wonder how long Rich's been sitting on all of those puns, waiting to unleash them upon us.

Being as he's been planning vampire Durkon since strip 2? I'd anticipate a good long while.

[ruy343]

"Are you just trolling me at this point?":belkar:

I about died at work, which would have been bad for me. Thank you, Giant.

[Ephemera]

I just wonder how long Rich's been sitting on all of those puns, waiting to unleash them upon us.

Indeed--if this comic is a response to the forum, then it's definitely a "Durkula or High Priest of Hel? Is that the best you can do? Let me school you all in how to make up names."

Insofar as that was the intent, consider us schooled (not that most of us doubted that the Giant is cleverer than we are about this sort of thing...that's kind of why he writes the comic and we read it after all!).

[drazen]

I'm going with Greg.

Surprised "Lurky Corpsewhiskers" didn't make the cut. Can't remember if it was a forum name or a Belkar name for the corpse formerly known as Durkon.

[sengmeng]

I love that it's a "take that" aimed at the forum!

Nice job, Giant!

[dtilque]

And "Nokrud" of course... :smallsmile:

I kind of liked Nokrud. But then, see my location...

But you know everyone's going to start calling him Greg. Can't be avoided....

[Doug Lampert]

I wonder how much of this was influenced by the forum. I have to say though, I really like "Thorsaken" and "Hel's Shell".

This is actually the first time I think the Giant IS answering the forums in comic.

Usually, when I see people suggest that in the thread, I'm like, "Get over yourself, the Giant is perfectly capable of anticipating obvious questions about his comic and in any case has been writing for the Books ever since he started putting the comics in books. The comic NEEDS to work without any reference to the forum, and the obvious question was obvious."

What to call Greg was always an obvious question, that the Giant would address it doesn't need him to be responding to the Forum.

But the shear extent of spending an entire strip on it, with so many silly suggestions (and so much better than most of ours). I really think this one is likely a response to the Forum. Can't prove it of course, because (a) it's funny, and (b) it would still work without the forum. But everyone's allowed a crazy theory or two and this is mine.

To me, this is what it looks like if the Giant actually bothers to answer the forum in comic rather than in the forum.

[Kitsune Inari]

He's dead, so I suggest Durk-off. (Gets shot)

[Crusher]

That was pretty awesome. Two thumbs up!

[Ghost Nappa]

Someone had fun with this comic.

Also, Thorsaken is the best of the bunch.

[Alchemist_Fire]

Thank you, Giant, for acknowledging Lurky Corpsewhiskers and all the other speculative appellations

[Shekinah]

Pfft! Barnabas Durkon is way better!

[Sniper Jo]

Guesses for who suggested what:

Elan:
Count Durkula
Durkzarro
Nega-Dwarf
Hel's Shell

Belkar:
Leechy Veinquaff
Nose-Fur-atu
The Thorsaken
The Creature Preacher

Haley:
Nokrud
Pastor Expiration
Jerkon
Undurkon

Vaarsuvius:
Deep Fang Friar
Whiskers in the Dark
The Corpse Formerly Known as Durkon


Blackwing:
Greg

[Elenna]

Okay, first time in a while that a strip made me LOL for over a minute. :smallbiggrin:

Also, totally calling him Greg now. :smallcool:

[Frozen_Northman]

Wonderful selection of names riffing on a theme.

Roy correctly realized that the insanity threatened to stretch indefinitely, and opted to stop trying to name a Hungry, Hungry HPOH that had lost its marbles.

[JSSheridan]

Thanks Giant!

[Tricia]

I haven't laughed like this at an OotS update in quite a while. Not to say I haven't enjoyed them, but there's been a lot more serious than funny lately. But this was a welcome breath of fresh (and funny) air. Kudos, Rich!

Although I have to wonder if all this lightheartedness is setting us up for something very very down soon. :3

[Mad Humanist]

Of course Durkon's middle name of "allotrope" was foreshadowing that there are two "Durkons".

[Keltest]

Of course Durkon's middle name of "allotrope" was foreshadowing that there are two "Durkons".

Can it be foreshadowing if it happens after the reveal? Isnt it just a reference then?

[PracticalM]

Oooooooo! Foreshadowing.

What is Roy reading?

The book from #1025 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1025.html)

[Tobimaro]

Giant, that was a good one. Well done.

I will have to vote for "Greg", although "Count Durkula" was also a good one.

[Auburn Bright]

I love the weird comeradie between the Order. They've been apart so many times in the past few books, it's nice to have a breather where they're all together, being their socially unacceptable selves.

Also, add me to team Thorsaken. But Greg's pretty good too.

[GM_3826]

What, no one is going to comment on "Original Recipe Durkon?"

I liked that one the best.

[Dagny]

The name suggestions are all great. I'm partial to "Jerkon" for its brevity and convenience.

[Jormengand]

Wait, koala necromancers (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?90914-Durkoala)?

[Nawaki]

All of those are pretty funny :D
But I have to go with "Nokrud" myself :D
Yet I never laughed so hard seeing "Greg" before

[goodpeople25]

Comedy gold but still showing them dealing with the Durkon* (easier than "durkon" so i'm going with that... And probably alternating with Greg:smalltongue:) situation, great strip.

On the forum side, I'm not really seeing this as a direct response to the forum. It could be of course, but the forum coming up with names was quite foreseeable, and it works fine in universe as well.
The setup as i saw it doesn't lend itself to the idea to me either.

1st panel to announce preparation and to start the next panel, 4 panels on the teams feelings on fighting Durkon, and Belkar clarifying Durkon as Durkon*
3 panels of setting up then delivering the joke that Roy thinks they should use a different name to distance Greg from Durkon, and getting a barrage of mostly punny names and then Roy realizing that wasn't the best idea and settling on Durkon*
1 panel of reestablishing the point that they need to perpare themselves emotionally for fighting an undead with Durkon's face and memories.
And then the punchline panel joke of going back to name jokes.
To be it appears the main point is the Emotional stuff and half of the joke and the punchline is them getting sidetracked by name jokes, and to me it used only the necessary panel time on the joke.

And there is an absence of anything connecting it to the forum for sure. All of the names we used that are in the comic are obvious ones to me, and the joke in comic doesn't really match up to the name discussions on the forum to me. Just the basics of us coming up with Punny names.
So i think The Giant has had these Puns under his Hat for a long while and was intending to use them once he set up this arc and this is the ideal placement.

[Donald]

The Creature Preacher. Perfect.

[Black Socks]

My favourite is "Jerkon", but "The Thorsaken" is running a close second.

[Chantelune]

Eh, "whiskers in the dark" got me going. XD Thorsaken is also a nice one.

And poor Belkar still can't get used to Roy saying he's right.

[fan4battle]

Roy says "we're going after the monster holding Durkon captive". Maybe I missed the part where Roy knows that the Vampire has imprisoned Durkon's soul? Or does he mean holding the body captive?

[Lizard Lord]

Okay I am actually confused by Roy not wanting to use any of those names. It was his idea to name Vamp-Durkon in the first place so why is it that none of those qualify? Just because they are silly I guess, but Hel's Shell is honestly the most accurate (well next to the Corpse Formally Known as Durkon).

To me going "I personally don't like those so we will just go back to the more confusing terminology" is sillier than any of those names.

[zimmerwald1915]

I bet quite a few of those names came from Elan.
If there does not exist a thread for the purposes of speculating who came up with which names by the time I post this, I will be very disappointed in the forum.

[Keltest]

Roy says "we're going after the monster holding Durkon captive". Maybe I missed the part where Roy knows that the Vampire has imprisoned Durkon's soul? Or does he mean holding the body captive?

I believe Roy is wildly speculating in a manner that drives the plot forward.

[Lizard Lord]

Also, I would be disappointed if we don't see the mentioned asterisk every time someone (or at least a member of the OotS) says Durkon* while talking about the vampire.

Edit:
Roy says "we're going after the monster holding Durkon captive". Maybe I missed the part where Roy knows that the Vampire has imprisoned Durkon's soul? Or does he mean holding the body captive?
Well they need to destroy him to get Durkon back so for all intents and purposes he is holding Durkon hostage. (Granted we know he is also holding Durkon hostage, but that's besides the point.)

[PallentisLunam]

I'm so glad Durkula made the list. Of course how could it not :smallbiggrin:

[Xavon]

There are those who call me.... Greg.

[GM_3826]

Also, I would be disappointed if we don't see the mentioned asterisk every time someone (or at least a member of the OotS) says Durkon* while talking about the vampire.

Edit:
Well they need to destroy him to get Durkon back so for all intents and purposes he is holding Durkon hostage. (Granted we know he is also holding Durkon hostage, but that's besides the point.)

Uh...


YOU'RE NOT DURKON AT ALL! You are just some undead thing hiding behind his face!

You kind of forgot about the dramatic realization he made.

[Beowulf DW]

I love this comic. Well done, Mr. The Giant. :smallbiggrin:

[Lizard Lord]

Uh...



You kind of forgot about the dramatic realization he made.

What did I say that makes you think that? :smallconfused:

[137beth]

Count Durkula
Noooo! Now that name has appeared in canon, so I can't complain about other people using an "obnoxious fan name" when they use it!

Ah well, it's not like it not being in the comic stopped people from using it. And it was worth it just for "The Thorsaken".

So...how about the vampire be called Chronicles of Durkon, and the real Durkon be referred to as World of Durkon Classic?

Oooh, or maybe we can call one of them Durkon 8.1, and the other one Durkon 10. If anyone asked what happened to Durkon 9, just sarcastically say "we couldn't call him Durkon One."

EDIT: Or if the vampire is destroyed and Durkon is ressurected, we could call the vampire "Durkon: The Masquerade," and the restored Durkon "Durkon: The Requiem."

[LunarDrop]

This is great. All of these names were spectacular, but these in particular:
The Creature Preacher
Jerkon (Assuming Belkar said that one.)
The Thorsaken
Pastor Expiration
Hel's Shell
and Greg.

Also, I don't know if this question has been addressed, but I have to ask: Are Belkar's feet not freezing at this point? Especially when he was climbing the snowy mountain in bare feet.
Does being a sexy shoeless god of war come with protection from cold and heat on your feet?

[ti'esar]

Also, I don't know if this question has been addressed, but I have to ask: Are Belkar's feet not freezing at this point? Especially when he was climbing the snowy mountain in bare feet.
Does being a sexy shoeless god of war come with protection from cold and heat on your feet?

He has hair on his feet. It keeps them warm.

[LunarDrop]

He has hair on his feet. It keeps them warm.

There's only so much hair can do. Does he have this hair on the bottom of his feet too? (Not attempting to be sarcastic, I am genuinely curious)

[Rift_Wolf]

Roy says "we're going after the monster holding Durkon captive". Maybe I missed the part where Roy knows that the Vampire has imprisoned Durkon's soul? Or does he mean holding the body captive?

Right before Phyrnglsnyx teleports out he says he'll keep Durkon's soul safely imprisoned while pointing at his head.

[Keltest]

There's only so much hair can do. Does he have this hair on the bottom of his feet too? (Not attempting to be sarcastic, I am genuinely curious)

In addition to being hairy, Halfling feet are exceptionally tough and thick. This quite possibly extends to not getting cold as easily.

[PallentisLunam]

In addition to being hairy, Halfling feet are exceptionally tough and thick. This quite possibly extends to not getting cold as easily.

He is warmed by his undying rage.

[Mandor]

Now if we could swing "Creature Double Preacher", I'd have to go with that, FAR too many fond memories of watching Godzilla movies with my dad when I was a kid.
As it is, I like Nokrud.

But Belkar's "Are you just trolling me now?" was probably the most awesome panel.

[KillianHawkeye]

Well, I'm glad THAT debate is finally settled!

[pearl jam]

This might rank as one of my favorite humor strips in the comic. :D

[MReav]

I'm surprised Belkar didn't suggest "Darth Beardo".

[Basement Cat]

I'm on board with "Greg", too. :smallsmile:

[Thomas Hunter]

As a Greg, :smalleek:

[Mandor]

As a Greg, :smalleek:

Hey now, think of the quote on the old Lost Boys movie posters. "Sleep all day. Party all night. Never grow old. Never die. It's fun to be a vampire!"

[ericgrau]

I'm going to be the 53rd person to agree with Greg. Simple, and AFAIK unrelated to the original name so it's easier to distinguish.

[Soulgazer]

Uh...



You kind of forgot about the dramatic realization he made.

I believe what he is asking is how does Roy know that Durkon* is physically holding Durkon's soul hostage. All Roy should know is that the Durkon* isn't Durkon. The logical assumption is that Durkon is properly dead and has moved on, like how most physical undead that aren't Liches function.

[Rogar Demonblud]

Thanks, Giant. I needed that after this week.

[tigerusthegreat]

If/when Belkar ceases breathing I sincerely hope he still can talk. I'll miss his wit.

We saw what happened when Durkon stopped breathing, do we really need more of that?

[Wowlock]

Come on...Durkula was a perfectly fine nickname... ''Durkon'' doesn't have the same cool vibe to it O.o

[NihhusHuotAliro]

I like Pastor Expiration, The Thorsaken, and Nose-Fur-atu, also Nega-Dwarf.

[Doug Lampert]

I believe what he is asking is how does Roy know that Durkon* is physically holding Durkon's soul hostage. All Roy should know is that the Durkon* isn't Durkon. The logical assumption is that Durkon is properly dead and has moved on, like how most physical undead that aren't Liches function.

As has been pointed out:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1019.html
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1019.html)

Notice where Greg is pointing during his final statement and what he is saying.

Roy knows EXACTLY where Durkon's soul is, because Greg outright told him.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I haven't laughed this hard at a strip in a long time. I guess it was good to answer the long-simmering (probably almost 3 years!) question of what to call him. Durkon* it is. :smalltongue:

[fan4battle]

Thanks for the input, guys!


As has been pointed out:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1019.html
(http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1019.html)

Notice where Greg is pointing during his final statement and what he is saying.

Roy knows EXACTLY where Durkon's soul is, because Greg outright told him.

Wow, Roy really is smart, I had missed that reference. I thought that Durkula meant that he'll be the caretaker of Durkon's soul in the domain of Hel (or Hel's Hell) when the world gets destroyed. I didn't get that he means he's keeping Durkon's soul in the head of its body. (Even though we know he does)

[Quantum Glass]

The best part is that Vaarsuvius participated in the silliness as well.

Really shows how far they've come.

[Necris Omega]

The best part is that Vaarsuvius participated in the silliness as well.

Really shows how far they've come.

Vaarsuvius has has a few silly points... though largely revolving around blowing up Belkar in increasingly creative ways.

[kiapet]

Well that was hysterical. I especially like the nod to the fan nickname. Also wondering how long this "Belkar is right" running gag will go- it just gets funnier and funnier :smallbiggrin:

[EclipseDarkSun]

Original Durkon = Durk-on
Possessed Vamp Durkon = Durk-off

[EclipseDarkSun]

He's dead, so I suggest Durk-off. (Gets shot)

Darn it! :D

[xroads]

Lol! "Pastor Expiration". I'm going to have to remember that one.

[EclipseDarkSun]

Thanks for the input, guys!



Wow, Roy really is smart, I had missed that reference. I thought that Durkula meant that he'll be the caretaker of Durkon's soul in the domain of Hel (or Hel's Hell) when the world gets destroyed. I didn't get that he means he's keeping Durkon's soul in the head of its body. (Even though we know he does)

I assume that the real takeaway for Roy in that scene is that Durkula's got hold of Durkon's soul, and a good resurrection/true resurrection will hopefully reboot the old Durkon, specifics about "where" or exactly how the soul is being held, aside.

[Lombard]

Pungasm!!! :thog:

Also, I went straight to Mighty Boosh with Greg(g), lol.

[Lkctgo]

Not that I didn't like the name jokes.... but considering how slow the comic updates, I'd have hoped for a little less filler (at least show us what Durkula is up to, heck even a cutaway of Durkula speaking to Gontor would have been nice)!

[Raphite1]

I've been chuckling about Nose-Fur-atu all day. This was great!

[JessmanCA]

"Friar Suck"?

[Icedaemon]

I'm upset that they used "Nos-fur-atu" instead of "Norse-feratu.

I don't know. As long as they pronounce it "Nose Fur ate you", I'd be happy with that name.

[Roger_Druid]

Hello to all!

Well, to me a cleric character was always the best analogy to a healer and 'Greg' reminds me of Dr. House so much... So, Greg it is for me!

Roger Druid

[Vio]

"Friar Suck"

I like that one! :elan: But also Negadwarf.

Can anyone explain Durkzzaro?

[hamishspence]

I like that one! :elan: But also Negadwarf.

Can anyone explain Durkzzaro?

It's a reference to DC Comic's "Bizarro Universe" where characters like Superman are "reversed" in certain respects.

[Neoriceisgood]

Basically the forum, hahahah. :smallbiggrin:

[ShinigamiKenji]

I imagine in the future, when historians will write: "And then, the world was nearly undone by the gods, due to the actions of a powerful vampire dwarven cleric. He was known by many names, but historians generally agree with calling him, the powerful, far-seeing, High Priest of Hel... Greg."

[Canuck617]

Bwahahahahaha!!!! Oh, man, this was a funny strip! The last one was pretty funny, but I had to stop to laugh at various points in this one, especially the trolling part. That was hilarious(!) and helped set up the rest of the comic, which was just gold in itself.


He's dead, so I suggest Durk-off. (Gets shot)
Personally, I was a fan of Durkoff for a while, and it was great to see Durkula get a mention in the comic. I think I too shall go with Greg or maybe just Durkon* out of respect. Those names, though!


Right before Phyrnglsnyx teleports out he says he'll keep Durkon's soul safely imprisoned while pointing at his head.
Thanks for pointing that out. I missed that part completely. I guess that sudden realization could also explain why Roy went Super Saiyan right before throwing his sword.

[Durkoala]

Wait, koala necromancers (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/member.php?90914-Durkoala)?

I was pretty surprised at that phrase too, but I'm putting it down to a coincidence on The Giant's part. I haven't really done much in the Oots section. (Aside from naming the fith (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?452875-Things-You-Never-Noticed-V-Your-Familiar) incarnation of Things you Never noticed)


Not that I didn't like the name jokes.... but considering how slow the comic updates, I'd have hoped for a little less filler (at least show us what Durkula is up to, heck even a cutaway of Durkula speaking to Gontor would have been nice)!
I'm thinking of this as more of a pacing page, something to breathe after the big fight with the-corpse-that-must-be-named, something light and funny. It also shows the Order being enlightened as to the status of Durkon*, and mentally preparing to fight (something that looks like) their friend, if you want plot progression.

[theinsulabot]

pastor expiration wins easily in my book. also, I dont think this strip was complete filler. even ignoring the emotional processing of fighting Greg for a moment, this strip now clearly establishes Roy had a full day of uninterrupted time to read the book and maybe put one of those rituals into effect

[M.A.D]

Who is that coherent-sounding blonde fellow talking to Belkar during the first few panels in this strip? And where's Elan?

[Edhelras]

Who is that coherent-sounding blonde fellow talking to Belkar during the first few strips? And where's Elan?

Just face it: Elan invested an ability point in INT when he last levelled up. Rich is just RPing it already.

We got the first hint of Elan's raised INT in 1027 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1027.html): Elan actually realizes that Banjo is a just puppet (or, at least, that Roy thinks so), and hence shouldn't be given a vote in the Godsmoot.

Well, I dunno if Rich actually means to depict Elan with an increased INT, but something appears to have happened, anyway.

Maybe some other mind-intruding scheme, maybe it's Nale's soul that has returned from oblivion and occupied Elan's vulnerable flesh?

If Elan turns out to be possessed, some way or the other, can I claim "told you so" ?

Or maybe it's just too much cold fresh air up there in the North on a flying ship. Air can do that to your mind, you know....

[KillingAScarab]

Guesses for who suggested what:

Here's my list.

Elan:
Jerkon
Nokrud
Durkzarro
Greg

Belkar:
Nose-Fur-atu
Pastor Expiration
Deep Fang Friar

Haley:
Undurkon
Nega-Dwarf
The Thorsaken

Vaarsuvius:
The Corpse Formerly Known as Durkon
Leechy Veinquaff
Whiskers in the Dark

Blackwing:
The Creature Preacher
Hel's Shell



There's only so much hair can do. Does he have this hair on the bottom of his feet too? (Not attempting to be sarcastic, I am genuinely curious)I agree that the hair on the feet of halflings should only do so much to insulate (especially since it is only ever portrayed on the top). Even if halflings had hairy soles, that wouldn't really help, since that hair wouldn't be staying stiff and keep air trapped in it. Personally, I choose to believe that halflings develop thicker skin on their feet, as a wild mammal does similarly overall. If their feet are generally less sensitive I think that goes further toward every halfling adopting the tradition of not wearing shoes regardless of climate.

[orrion]

Is this the first time we've seen a full face shot of Vaarsuvius? It's certainly one of the few. It really stands out to me.

There was one during the Trial in Azure City.

Another even earlier when he put the goblins to sleep in the Dungeon of Dorukan.

[EnvoyPV]

Those are some fantastic names. I guess we'll have to stick with Durkon* though :smalltongue:

Yes, they are. I LOL'd a few times at this comic. Awesome job!

[LunarDrop]

My guesses on who suggested what name:

Haley:
Nokrud
Nega-Dwarf
Undurkon

Elan:
Count Durkula (I think the ones that reference other works are more likely to be Elan's)
Deep Fang Friar
Whiskers in the Dark
Durkzarro


Belkar:
Jerkon (I think this one is most definitely his)
Hel's Shell
Thorsaken
Leechy Veinquaff
Creature Preacher
Nose-Fur-Atu

Vaarsuvius:
The Corpse Formerly Known as Durkon (I think that one's a given)

BlackWing:
Greg

[Mozill Marshal]

He is warmed by his undying rage.

I love this statement

And whiskers in the dark was my favorite.:smallbiggrin:

[keybounce]

Wonderful selection of names riffing on a theme.

Roy correctly realized that the insanity threatened to stretch indefinitely, and opted to stop trying to name a Hungry, Hungry HPOH that had lost its marbles.

Should I sig ....

[theinsulabot]

I think the more alliterative ones are likely to be elan's and the beard-centric or more derivative ones are belkar's, with Haley and V splitting the rest.

something like

Haley
Nokrud
Durkzarro
Undurkon
(mostly because I think Haley's would be short and to the point)

V
Nega-dwarf (V has a tendency to identify things he doesn't like by race. E.G. the halfling)
The corpse formerly known as durkon
leechy veinquaff (this one could also be belkar, but the vernacular moves it more into something V would say, with an outside chance of haley in a moment of levity.)

Elan
Count Durkula
Deep fang friar
Hel's shell (this joke might be a little to advanced for elan, but the rhyming gag fits him to a T)
Creature Preacher (same)
Thorsaken

Belkar
jerkon
whiskers in the dark
nose-fur-atu
Pastor expiration

Blackwing

Greg.

[LordRahl6]

I find it interesting that someone in the comic came up with Count Durkula. Still, I personally liked Nokrud.:smalltongue:

[DaggerPen]

"Friar Suck"?

That's beautiful.


I imagine in the future, when historians will write: "And then, the world was nearly undone by the gods, due to the actions of a powerful vampire dwarven cleric. He was known by many names, but historians generally agree with calling him, the powerful, far-seeing, High Priest of Hel... Greg."

I love you.


My guesses on who suggested what name:

Haley:
Nokrud
Nega-Dwarf
Undurkon

Elan:
Count Durkula (I think the ones that reference other works are more likely to be Elan's)
Deep Fang Friar
Whiskers in the Dark
Durkzarro


Belkar:
Jerkon (I think this one is most definitely his)
Hel's Shell
Thorsaken
Leechy Veinquaff
Creature Preacher
Nose-Fur-Atu

Vaarsuvius:
The Corpse Formerly Known as Durkon (I think that one's a given)

BlackWing:
Greg

I don't know who all suggested what for sure, but I'd definitely peg "Nokrud" as Elan's. After all, he does have rather a history with reverse named nemeses who are at risk of being confused with one of the heroes...

Also I give up - can someone explain Pastor Expiration to me? Everyone is cracking up at it but it didn't tickle me at all, which probably means I'm missing a pun/reference.

[Keltest]

That's beautiful.



I love you.



I don't know who all suggested what for sure, but I'd definitely peg "Nokrud" as Elan's. After all, he does have rather a history with reverse named nemeses who are at risk of being confused with one of the heroes...

Also I give up - can someone explain Pastor Expiration to me? Everyone is cracking up at it but it didn't tickle me at all, which probably means I'm missing a pun/reference.

Say it out loud. Pastor sounds similar to past your, or just past, I guess. So hes past his expiration date. And a cleric.

[LunarDrop]

I don't know who all suggested what for sure, but I'd definitely peg "Nokrud" as Elan's. After all, he does have rather a history with reverse named nemeses who are at risk of being confused with one of the heroes...

Wow... I feel incredibly stupid... Never noticed Nokrud is Durkon backwards.
I'm gonna go cry in the corner now.

[DaggerPen]

Say it out loud. Pastor sounds similar to past your, or just past, I guess. So hes past his expiration date. And a cleric.

Ohhhh. Thank you XD

[PeglegJim]

This comic made me laugh the most out of all of them in a very long time.

[Arin]

Y'know... when Roy said Belkar was 100% right, Belkar's assertion that Elan was a moron was still on the table.

Just sayin'. ;)

[DavidSh]

Concerning Belkar's bare feet, I don't know about D&D halflings, but this is what Tolkien said about hobbit feet in The Hobbit:

They ... wear no shoes, because their feet grow naturally leathery soles and thick warm brown hair like the stuff on their heads (which is curly); ...

[GM_3826]

I'm guessing Belkar came up with the name "Jerkon", with that smirk on his face. Besides that I have no idea.

[PontificatusRex]

Jeez, so little love for "Creature Preacher"...must be a generational thing. Kids these days, with their on demand everything, not having to stay up till midnight to watch old horror movies...Get off my subculture, you young hooligans!

[Bisqwit]

I like it how even Blackwing is contributing to the throwing of name suggestions.

[KillingAScarab]

I don't know who all suggested what for sure, but I'd definitely peg "Nokrud" as Elan's. After all, he does have rather a history with reverse named nemeses who are at risk of being confused with one of the heroes...Gah! How did I forget about Nale pointing out he was now his own evil opposite in #907 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0907.html)? Changing my list, now.


Wow... I feel incredibly stupid... Never noticed Nokrud is Durkon backwards.
I'm gonna go cry in the corner now.Is there any more room in that corner?

[LunarDrop]

Is there any more room in that corner?

Come on over- bring that box of tissues with you.

[Shoelessgdowar]

Interesting fact... all those names HAVE appeared in the forums (including the suggestions for Durkon's own alternative names). So for those who intend to make a thread of who suggested which, might want to do research on who suggested then each first on the forums.

I was a Durkula fan until the first time someone suggested Durkoff (sort of surprised it was omitted). Greg is just too real world for me. Some of the others are nice, but I'm sticking with Durkoff

[Ruck]

For some reason "Durkon and Greg" makes me think of "Dharma and Greg." I enjoy that, even though Durkon and Dharma are not very alike at all.

[Hacktor]

I laughed out loud 3 times durring this one :)
We all stayed for the plot but this is the reason we all started reading oots.

Comedy gold Giant :) ... hehe "nose-fur-atu"

[Lvl 2 Expert]

Okay, now Rich is just trolling us... :smallwink:


Interesting fact... all those names HAVE appeared in the forums. I was a Durkula fan until the first time someone suggested Durkoff (sort of surprised it was omitted).

I'm surprised that that "Phyrngillsnix" (or however it was spelled) abomination didn't make it. Probably would have been too nonsensical with too little ties to anything Durkon.

[Shining Wrath]

I have a different suggestion and one you can dance to.

https://youtu.be/vPT3CGe4FS0?t=15s

The Sinister Minister. Bela Fleck & the Flecktones bring it.

[Shining Wrath]

I just wonder how long Rich's been sitting on all of those puns, waiting to unleash them upon us.

It is a testament to his abilities as an artist that he held onto them for so on. Beethoven didn't drop "Ode to Joy" on us at the start of the 9th; no, he worked up to it for 45 minutes or so.


Roy says "we're going after the monster holding Durkon captive". Maybe I missed the part where Roy knows that the Vampire has imprisoned Durkon's soul? Or does he mean holding the body captive?

When The Sinister Minister points to his head and tells Roy "Don't worry, Roy. I'll take good care of Durkon's soul for all eternity in my mistress' planar domain (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1019.html)" that is a pretty strong clue to someone of Roy's intelligence. Probably even Elan would have puzzled that out after a while.

My personal top 5:

Greg
The Thorsaken
Nose-fur-atu
Pastor Expiration
Jerkon

[Razanir]

I think it's agreed. Durkula's new name is Greg.

[KillingAScarab]

Come on over- bring that box of tissues with you.Here are the tissues. The handkercheif I'm keeping for myself in case I get weepy over more Durkon backstory. You wouldn't want it after, anyway.

[Lordchoculla]

New comic is up.

:smallbiggrin:
Hmmm... thought his first name was "Agent"... no.... wait... that is another world... :smallbiggrin:

Anyway, mr.Giant, your work continues to keep an astounding level of quality. Thanks.

And incidentally, if this strip is trolling or commenting on the name discussions on the forum, then excellent as well!

I love the reference to various writers and musicians. "The Corpse Formerly Known as Durkon", "Whiskers in the Dark" and "The Thorsaken" are hilarious. But I'll go with Greg... unless "Agent" is added... :smallbiggrin:

[Asmodean_]

BEHOLD! THE UTTER EVIL OF THE ADJECTIVAL VAMPIRE GREG!!!

I need this.

[jere7my]

Interesting fact... all those names HAVE appeared in the forums (including the suggestions for Durkon's own alternative names). So for those who intend to make a thread of who suggested which, might want to do research on who suggested then each first on the forums.

I don't believe that's true. Google says the first appearances of The Thorsaken and Pastor Expiration came after this strip. I haven't checked the others, but I'm pretty sure most of the names are original to 1030.

[Sir_Leorik]

The Creature Preacher it is! :smallbiggrin:

[clip4]

oots0137

Just gonna leave this here. If only Elan had agreed.

[Dilvish]

Wonderful selection of names riffing on a theme.

Roy correctly realized that the insanity threatened to stretch indefinitely, and opted to stop trying to name a Hungry, Hungry HPOH that had lost its marbles.

I salute you, sir! :)

[EyethatBinds]

Can we pull the drag chute for another ten or twenty panels of pointless comics? I really want to see if this story can deflate all the way until September.

[IamWeasel]

Can we pull the drag chute for another ten or twenty panels of pointless comics? I really want to see if this story can deflate all the way until September.


Getting there is half the fun.

[Ruck]

Can we pull the drag chute for another ten or twenty panels of pointless comics? I really want to see if this story can deflate all the way until September.

It amazes me that after this long people still make posts like this.

[8BitNinja]

Who got the happy feeling when you saw Durkula?

Don't lie, we all did

[JoeyTheNeko]

oh elan, your daftness never ceases to amuse.

[Gamgee]

The Thorsaken is amazing! Nokrud is also great.

[aurilee]

Who got the happy feeling when you saw Durkula?

Don't lie, we all did

It was the first name I read, and then I smiled, knowing that I was about to read a wonderful list of vampire puns.

There were a few from the forum that didn't make the list, but enough good ones are there that I don't think it matters (I suppose the phyr-whatever group might be upset...).

"Greg" made me laugh (I choose to believe V came up with that one). As did basically every panel of this strip.

I think the "official" name at this point should be Durkon*, but I'm all for Greg.

[Themrys]

Durkon* is the most subtle and most suited for a serious name.

However, I quite like Pastor Expiration as a pun. :smallbiggrin:

[Shining Wrath]

Can we pull the drag chute for another ten or twenty panels of pointless comics? I really want to see if this story can deflate all the way until September.

A good writer does not produce the Cliff Notes version of their story for your convenience. If your only interest is finding out "what happens", drop by every 6 months or so and read 25 strips at a sitting. Generally speaking, "something happens" at least that often. You DO have a calendar ap on your computer, don't you?

[KillingAScarab]

A good writer does not produce the Cliff Notes version of their story for your convenience. If your only interest is finding out "what happens", drop by every 6 months or so and read 25 strips at a sitting. Generally speaking, "something happens" at least that often. You DO have a calendar ap on your computer, don't you?I know you're joking a bit, but I actually just did that. Life happened and then I came back to read 29 pages in one sitting. Order of the Stick was still here when I got back and it was still great quality work. If EyethatBlinds can't be patient for the long-term story, you might be able to check-in later... unless there's a robot apocalypse.

[pendell]

Why don't we call him Durkon' ? Because he's derived from the original Durkon, get it?

:Looks around for the math majors:

Tough crowd :smallamused: .

Tongue-in-cheek,

Brian P.

[Kish]

Can we pull the drag chute for another ten or twenty panels of pointless comics? I really want to see if this story can deflate all the way until September.
Considering we just had this book's villain and his scheme be revealed to the heroes and have a big confrontation with them, I have to conclude that by "pointless" you mean "not directly involving Xykon and a Gate."

That being the case, I suggest you check back in a year or two, not September--if, that is, you for some reason want to read the conclusion of a webcomic with so many pointless comics interspersed around the statistically tiny number of comics where the overall hero throws down with the overall villain. Even then, you'll probably find the end disappointing, you know.

[jere7my]

Why don't we call him Durkon' ? Because he's derived from the original Durkon, get it?

:Looks around for the math majors:

Tough crowd :smallamused: .

Tongue-in-cheek,

Brian P.

But Durkon is integrated into Durkula.

[Shining Wrath]

Why don't we call him Durkon' ? Because he's derived from the original Durkon, get it?

:Looks around for the math majors:

Tough crowd :smallamused: .

Tongue-in-cheek,

Brian P.

He may be a partial derivative, with respect to deity:
d Durkon/d god = (Thor-Hel)/t


But Durkon is integrated into Durkula.

Only partially so we have to do integration by parts.

[CateranEnforcer]

Durk Zero?

[8BitNinja]

Why don't we call him Durkon' ? Because he's derived from the original Durkon, get it?

:Looks around for the math majors:

Tough crowd :smallamused: .

Tongue-in-cheek,

Brian P.

So vampire durkon is the image while Durkon is the pre-image?

[Ornithologist]

He may be a partial derivative, with respect to deity:
d Durkon/d god = (Thor-Hel)/t



Only partially so we have to do integration by parts.

It seems more important to differentiate the 2 of them.

I'll just let myself out.

[8BitNinja]

Durk Vader

Please add this to the grand list

[Centaur]

Why don't we call him Durkon' ? Because he's derived from the original Durkon, get it?

Oh, no. The vampire is clearly the complex conjugate of Durkon, aka D̅u̅r̅k̅o̅n̅: same real part (body) but the imaginary part (soul) negated.

[rambaldi]

Oh, no. The vampire is clearly the complex conjugate of Durkon, aka D̅u̅r̅k̅o̅n̅: same real part (body) but the imaginary part (soul) negated.

You mean Durkoni or Durkonj for those working in the Electrical/Electronics field?

[Centaur]

You mean Durkoni or Durkonj for those working in the Electrical/Electronics field?

Um, no. That would just rotate him 90° counter-clockwise.

[8BitNinja]

Um, no. That would just rotate him 90° counter-clockwise.

Vampire Durkon's thinking is a little crooked

[Storm_Of_Snow]

Concerning Belkar's bare feet, I don't know about D&D halflings, but this is what Tolkien said about hobbit feet in The Hobbit:

And given they're (nearly) constantly eating, they could have a very high metabolic rate, which would raise their body core temperature, and thus their bodies would be able keep blood flowing to their extremities in lower temperatures than the other races would.

[Rift_Wolf]

To those complaining of pointless comics; think of it story-wise. You can't have a constant roar of dramatic tension getting louder and louder. All you'll get is noise. You need places to slow down. We know the Mechane is on the move, we know the clocks ticking. But there's story threads that require a change of pace; Roy can't be battling his way through infinite Vampire dwarves on his way to Phyrnglsnyx and read a book about legacy weapons at the same time, multitasking or no. Elan and Haley need time to process what's just happened (V and Belkar less so). If the comics were compacted into a space food cube of core storyline, there's no room for emotional or character growth. If you want the story compressed, here it is;
Roy wins.

Don't like it? Then here's the dark edgy version;
Xykon wins.

In the end, we're here, and have been here for ten years, because we engage with the characters and love the storyline. I've read stories which were write ups of D&D campaigns where it's one easily won fight after another. They're boring.

/Rant

[Quibblicious]

Why don't we call him Durkon' ? Because he's derived from the original Durkon, get it?

:Looks around for the math majors:

Tough crowd :smallamused: .

Tongue-in-cheek,

Brian P.

That's an excellent suggestion.

[Rift_Wolf]

That's an excellent suggestion.

I don't know, math puns are an odd choice. They might make the 1% happy, but they aren't perfect and the lowest common denominators could get irrational and obtuse about them. I, for one, have no problem with these puns, but if they get more abstract they could be divisive, we're all in different sets and then it's Aleph for Nought.

[pendell]

Oh, it's not perfect, I agree, but I don't think it'll cause acute distress. Our board arguments are rational, after all, since while they never terminate they repeat endlessly.

Tongue-in-cheek,

Brian P.

[Jormengand]

Why don't we call him Durkon' ? Because he's derived from the original Durkon, get it?

Or dDurkon/d... something. I suppose he's changed with respect to life, so dDurkon/dlife.

[Quibblicious]

Or dDurkon/d... something. I suppose he's changed with respect to life, so dDurkon/dlife.

How about -Durkon?

Or !Durkon in C based languages.

Or ~Durkon (similar to Durkon, but not Durkon).

Q

[Asmodean_]

If you're going to put some form of punctuation around his name, just smoosh the two together.

Durkon* -> Durkonsterisk
Durkon' -> Durkonstrophe (also because that's what he's about to create)

[Ruck]

If you're going to put some form of punctuation around his name, just smoosh the two together.

Durkon* -> Durkonsterisk
Durkon' -> Durkonstrophe (also because that's what he's about to create)

"Durkonstrophe" makes me want to say it should be "Durktastrophe," which reminds me of this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHw4_oPJ6s8

[pendell]

Actually, if we're doing this mathematically, Durkon' would be "Durkon prime".

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[Manty5]

Actually, if we're doing this mathematically, Durkon' would be "Durkon prime".

Respectfully,

Brian P.

Wouldn't Durkon Prime be leader of the Dorfobots?

... I'll show myself out.

[F.Harr]

My favorite Vampire Durkon names:

1. Durkula (I've used that back when I was more active),

2. Jerkon (that sounds like a Belkar),

3. Nose-fur-atu (I have a beard adn mustache too),

4. The Thorsaken,

5. The Corpse Formally Known as Durkon (that's got Vaarsuvius written all over it) and

6. Greg. HA! "Greg".

As an honorable mention: "Nega-Dwarf". I like referencing Scott Pilgrim. SP was fun.

[Kish]

Wouldn't Durkon Prime be leader of the Dorfobots?

... I'll show myself out.
That would imply that the vampire Durkon should be called, not Negadwarf but Megadwarf.

[KorvinStarmast]

It seems more important to differentiate the 2 of them. Some of us like derivatives. (I really enjoyed your pun).

[KillingAScarab]

That would imply that the vampire Durkon should be called, not Negadwarf but Megadwarf.Well, when he's using Hel's Might it seems appropriate. But, then we need an evil dwarven bard (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Soundwave_%28G1%29) with summoned pets (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Decepticon_Mini-Cassette), at least one of which is winged (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Laserbeak_%28G1%29).

[Grey Watcher]

That would imply that the vampire Durkon should be called, not Negadwarf but Megadwarf.

I can't decide if this is a reference to the Autobots (more likely) or the Go-Bots (considerably less likely). If it's the former, the latter is probably the Gnome-Bots. Gnome-Bats?

[Manty5]

I can't decide if this is a reference to the Autobots (more likely) or the Go-Bots (considerably less likely). If it's the former, the latter is probably the Gnome-Bots. Gnome-Bats?

It is said in the most holy and ancient of scripture that he who utters the words "Autobots" and "Go-bots" in the same diatribe, much less the same sentence, is the most unholy of heretics and must be scourged... SCOURGED!

[KillingAScarab]

I can't decide if this is a reference to the Autobots (more likely) or the Go-Bots (considerably less likely). If it's the former, the latter is probably the Gnome-Bots. Gnome-Bats?I can't seem to find any "Nega-" or "Mega-" named GoBots, but if Xykon ever turns into a motorcycle, I'm all for Xy-Kill.


It is said in the most holy and ancient of scripture that he who utters the words "Autobots" and "Go-bots" in the same diatribe, much less the same sentence, is the most unholy of heretics and must be scourged... SCOURGED!You have some work to do over at Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gobots&oldid=712270590), then.

Subsequently, the universe depicted in the animated series Challenge of the GoBots and follow-up film GoBots: Battle of the Rock Lords was established as an alternate universe within the Transformers franchise.Also, Peter Cullen did voices for both. Do you dare to stand against Peter Cullen?

[Rogar Demonblud]

I can't seem to find any "Nega-" or "Mega-" named GoBots, but if Xykon ever turns into a motorcycle, I'm all for Xy-Kill.

We already turned him into a Decepticon in the Alternate Stickverse thread. Lemme see if I can find a link...

edit: OOTS in a Different Genre (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?286398-OotS-in-a-difference-Genre&highlight=War)

[KillingAScarab]

We already turned him into a Decepticon in the Alternate Stickverse thread. Lemme see if I can find a link...

edit: OOTS in a Different Genre (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?286398-OotS-in-a-difference-Genre&highlight=War)And specifically it was this post (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=15995313&postcount=80). Thank you for pointing that out. Looking back to this comic, I now wish there could be a cross between Durkon and Rattrap which Elan could find gruff-but-lovable. Just shift all of the sarcasm over to Belkar's Dinobot.

Edit: I re-read the portion of that post for Thog and realized his alternate mode should be that green-and-purple tank Megatron became (http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Realignments).

[Havelocke]

Stick-bots needs to be a thing, why is there no fan-comic based on this yet? IT IS GOLD PEOPLE GOLD!

[Rogar Demonblud]

There's a few good ideas in there, and most of the others are just nice.

I do love the creativity on this forum, except when it comes to epileptic trees.