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ayvango
2016-03-27, 03:43 PM
Best of the best is not to fight in AMF of course. Numerous tricks for avoiding and escaping AMF was discussed.

But what if AMF is inevitable? You need to clear some dungeon and you do know that there are plenty of AMF inside, both from items and from spellcasters. So, you can take long time to prepare to that dungeon. How would you clear it? Could wizard do anything useful besides walking in fighter's shadow?

MaxiDuRaritry
2016-03-27, 03:52 PM
The Tinfoil Hat trick is good if you want to keep from getting AMF-attacked by someone else, though it doesn't work well against entire large areas from hitting you.

The acorn of far travel spell can prevent you from being subjected to a dead magic zone, especially if you get a device you can cast it from (it's a nonmagical version of a magic item, found in Ravenloft: Legacy of the Blood).

The planar bubble spell can also protect you from dead magic zones.

If it's a spell effect, an incantatrix with Selective Spell can key himself into it so that it doesn't affect him, his items, or his spells.

Fabricating together a giant hamster ball to roll around in can keep you from getting AMF'd; just make sure you leave latching 1' doors your familiar can open for you that you can cast out of.

Using planar binding spells and cobbling together agreements for the critters you call to follow your orders can give you something to do while AMF'd. Just direct them to do what you want them to do; even if you can't use spells, you're still contributing.

Buy a tower shield and hire (or call) someone to carry it around for you to block the AMF's emanations.

Three levels of cleric of Mystra and one feat (Initiate of Mystra) can make you, practically speaking, immune to AMFs and dead magic zones.

There's also that 9th level spell that's explicitly castable in an AMF that allows you to cast up to 4th level spells in an AMF.

[edit] Oh, and Iron Heart Surge. Get a pet crusader or give Martial Study to your familiar and IHS it away.

ayvango
2016-03-28, 01:17 AM
Ok, the wizard somehow become able to cast spell. Planar bubble, or tower shield or something else. And what could he cast to aid fighter inside AM in his battle? What spells keeps working in AMF?

Malroth
2016-03-28, 01:37 AM
Default Antimagic field is Tiny only 10 feet across and centered on the caster, Huge and larger creatures can't even effectively use it because the area is smaler than their own bodies, Most of the time a 5 foot step is enough to escape an Antimagic field.

Eloel
2016-03-28, 01:54 AM
Option 1:
Stay outside of AMF and lob orbs inside.

Option 2:
Multiclass as Cleric for 3 levels, pray to Mystra for power in AMF. Boost your caster level via bunch of feats, win.

Necroticplague
2016-03-28, 01:59 AM
Ok, the wizard somehow become able to cast spell. Planar bubble, or tower shield or something else. And what could he cast to aid fighter inside AM in his battle? What spells keeps working in AMF?

Stone Shape. The effected stone wouldn't be effected by the AMF, due to LoE issues. So it would still let you do it's normal job. Possibly includingbl letting you set up walls to further block the AMF.

Any instantaneous conjuration. So Wall of Stone, Iron, or Salt are all good, as are the Orb of X line of spells.

Deophaun
2016-03-28, 02:16 AM
If they're in a cave, transmute stone to mud on the ceiling over the AMF is nasty.

ayvango
2016-03-28, 02:19 AM
Option 1:
Stay outside of AMF and lob orbs inside.

How is it possible? Should not they dissipate in AMF? Could cloud of knives be also usable from outside AMF?

ryu
2016-03-28, 02:23 AM
How is it possible? Should not they dissipate in AMF? Could cloud of knives be also usable from outside AMF?

The orb spells such as orb of fire and similar fall under a class of conjuration spell that creates non-magical matter and throws it at something. This includes even non-magical orbs of force because of REASONS!

Necroticplague
2016-03-28, 02:28 AM
How is it possible? Should not they dissipate in AMF? Could cloud of knives be also usable from outside AMF?


Summoned creatures of any type and incorporeal undead wink out if they enter an antimagic field. They reappear in the same spot once the field goes away. Time spent winked out counts normally against the duration of the conjuration that is maintaining the creature. If you cast antimagic field in an area occupied by a summoned creature that has spell resistance, you must make a caster level check (1d20 + caster level) against the creature’s spell resistance to make it wink out. (The effects of instantaneous conjurations are not affected by an antimagic field because the conjuration itself is no longer in effect, only its result.)

No, Cloud of Knives doesn't work, because it's not Instantaneous. From a fluff point of view, it's because Instantaneous Conjurations aren't magic once formed. A Wall of Stone is actual stone, not a magically-created construct. Wall of Iron is real iron, not just magical forces held together that happen to be like iron.

GoodbyeSoberDay
2016-03-28, 02:38 AM
Step 1: Shrink (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/shrinkItem.htm) rocks (http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/pushing-boulder.jpg).
Step 2: Find AMF.
Step 3: Throw rocks.
Step 4: Rocks fall, everyone dies.

Simple, fun, might collapse the entire dungeon on yourself.

MaxiDuRaritry
2016-03-28, 04:19 AM
The effected stoneYou can't really effect stone unless you're using major creation, genesis, wall of stone, transmute mud to rock, flesh to stone, the gaze attack of a medusa, and similar.