Memory

[Monk of love]

Is there any feat that essentially gives Eidetic memory? DM said if I could find a feat likes it then I wouldn't need my spellbook (or in this case prayerbook)

I've been digging around but nothings turned up.

[nyjastul69]

I think you are looking for the Eidetic Spellcaster ACF from Dragon Mag #357.

[Segev]

Is there any feat that essentially gives Eidetic memory? DM said if I could find a feat likes it then I wouldn't need my spellbook (or in this case prayerbook)

I've been digging around but nothings turned up.

You may be interested in spell mastery (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#spellMasterySpecial). It won't cover all of your spells, but it will help.

[Zaq]

Not a feat, but Autohypnosis (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/skills/autohypnosis.htm) can be used to perfectly memorize/recall things. With just DC 15, even cross-class ranks can get you to autosuccess when you take 10 at relatively low levels (especially if you have a positive WIS mod and a synergy bonus with Concentration, and you almost certainly have at least the synergy bonus). Unfortunately, it specifically bans you from memorizing "magical writing," so unless your GM bends the rules to say that spellbooks don't contain "magical writing" (in that the spellbook itself does not technically ping on Detect Magic and therefore the writing itself is not magical the way Explosive Runes is magical), it won't let you replace your spellbook.

I mean, it wouldn't hurt to ask, but don't be surprised if your GM says no. But you still may want to invest enough ranks to reliably hit DC 15 when you take 10 anyway; even if you can't memorize your prayerbook, it's still an easy rules-legal way of getting mechanically perfect recall on a character with relatively little investment.

[gorfnab]

I think you are looking for the Eidetic Spellcaster ACF from Dragon Mag #357.
The Easy Bake Wizard setup (see handbook link in my signature) is based on that ACF.

[Necroticplague]

Is there any feat that essentially gives Eidetic memory? DM said if I could find a feat likes it then I wouldn't need my spellbook (or in this case prayerbook)

I've been digging around but nothings turned up.

The Autohypnosis skill can give you eidetic memory of normal writing, so just dump points into that. The DCs aren't to hard, once you take taking 10 into account. I'm not seeing anything that makes a prayerbook magical writing, so that should work.

[Ruethgar]

The Create Device(Scroll) feat can let you bypass the magical writing bit with Autohypnosis being explicitly Extraordinary and not magical. However that is an expensive route, requiring you to make a scroll for each such spell and then memorize them. If you can get that ACF, I would suggest that instead. Create Device is an officially liseanced feat, but not WotC published so is on shaky ground already.

[tiercel]

I think you are looking for the Eidetic Spellcaster ACF from Dragon Mag #357.

This, most likely; it is the foundation of the "Easy Bake Wizard" (http://www.minmaxboards.com/index.php?topic=12336.0)build (having lots of spells/magic/choices without a spellbook).


You may be interested in spell mastery (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/feats.htm#spellMasterySpecial). It won't cover all of your spells, but it will help.

If your DM doesn't let Dragon Magazine material into your game, this is probably your most straightforward option. (Another, more limited version of this applies for illusionists only: UA/SRD Illusionist specialist wizard ACF (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#illusionMastery), which trades your extra spell slots for free Spell Mastery of your Illusion spells only.)

As a side note, if you want your character to have something like an eidetic memory generally (and psionics is in play), the Autohypnosis skill (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/skills/autohypnosis.htm#memorize)is your friend. In particular, since you only need to hit DC 15, as long as you are in a position to take 10 you only need a +5 total modifier; this could look like 10 Wis, 1 cross-class skill rank, +2 synergy from Concentration ranks, +2 circumstance from a masterwork tool (call it, e.g., a "focusing crystal"; alternatively, if your DM doesn't like "generic masterwork tool" shenanigans, just blow 4 more skill points on 2 additional cross-class ranks).

Autohypnosis won't/shouldn't give you eidetic spells, but is good for RP/plot points/remembering specific non-spell information.

[Edit] Aaaaaaaaand swordsaged. Hah. Autohypnosis does fit thematically on an eidetic spellcaster, though, and takes relatively little investment, if your DM allows psi stuff.

[Psyren]

Not a feat, but Autohypnosis (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/skills/autohypnosis.htm) can be used to perfectly memorize/recall things. With just DC 15, even cross-class ranks can get you to autosuccess when you take 10 at relatively low levels (especially if you have a positive WIS mod and a synergy bonus with Concentration, and you almost certainly have at least the synergy bonus). Unfortunately, it specifically bans you from memorizing "magical writing," so unless your GM bends the rules to say that spellbooks don't contain "magical writing" (in that the spellbook itself does not technically ping on Detect Magic and therefore the writing itself is not magical the way Explosive Runes is magical), it won't let you replace your spellbook.

I mean, it wouldn't hurt to ask, but don't be surprised if your GM says no. But you still may want to invest enough ranks to reliably hit DC 15 when you take 10 anyway; even if you can't memorize your prayerbook, it's still an easy rules-legal way of getting mechanically perfect recall on a character with relatively little investment.

No dice - spellbooks are specifically defined as "magical writing" in the PHB.


To decipher an arcane magical writing (such as a single spell in written form in another’s spellbook or on a scroll), a character must make a Spellcraft check (DC 20 + the spell’s level).

It refers more to the subject matter and method of notation than the medium itself being comprised of magic or not.

[Zaq]

No dice - spellbooks are specifically defined as "magical writing" in the PHB.



It refers more to the subject matter and method of notation than the medium itself being comprised of magic or not.

Hence my mention of the GM "bending the rules."

Though I maintain that it's worth dumping a few points into Autohypnosis on a character like this anyway, regardless of whether you can memorize your prayerbook with it. You want to have a perfect memory? Great, here's a way to have a perfect memory on everything but your spellbook, and it only costs a handful of skill points, not even a feat or a class level.

[Psyren]

Hence my mention of the GM "bending the rules."

I know what you said - I was pointing out that the rulebooks were explicit that spellbooks are magical writing. Thus it would require breaking the rules, not bending them. (Just in case that wasn't clear to anyone else who might be reading this thread.)



Though I maintain that it's worth dumping a few points into Autohypnosis on a character like this anyway, regardless of whether you can memorize your prayerbook with it. You want to have a perfect memory? Great, here's a way to have a perfect memory on everything but your spellbook, and it only costs a handful of skill points, not even a feat or a class level.

Well, not quite - it lets you retain "text, numbers, diagrams or sigils." It doesn't help you with, say, remembering a verbal conversation, or the details of the countess' outfit at the king's ball last year (unless someone painted her portrait, anyway.)

[Necroticplague]

No dice - spellbooks are specifically defined as "magical writing" in the PHB.



It refers more to the subject matter and method of notation than the medium itself being comprised of magic or not.

Fortunately, the OP is talking about remembering a prayerbook, not a spellbook. I don't think a prayerbook is ever defined as being magical writing.

[Psyren]

Fortunately, the OP is talking about remembering a prayerbook, not a spellbook. I don't think a prayerbook is ever defined as being magical writing.

It says Archivists "must seek out and collect new spells as a wizard does." The way wizards collect spells is by scribing, and therefore archivists must do the same. It even references PHB 178 when adding new spells to it explicitly, which is the exact same page containing the passage I quoted.

[MaxiDuRaritry]

It says Archivists "must seek out and collect new spells as a wizard does." The way wizards collect spells is by scribing, and therefore archivists must do the same. It even references PHB 178 when adding new spells to it explicitly, which is the exact same page containing the passage I quoted.To toss a wrench in this, "seek out and collect" does not encompass scribing spells. Anything after the actual acquisition of a scroll or spellbook to be scribed isn't applicable.

[Necroticplague]

It says Archivists "must seek out and collect new spells as a wizard does." The way wizards collect spells is by scribing, and therefore archivists must do the same. It even references PHB 178 when adding new spells to it explicitly, which is the exact same page containing the passage I quoted.

And? That only indicates that they write something into their prayerbook, and how long and at what cost it takes them to do so. It does not mean that prayerbook=spellbook.

[Psyren]

And? That only indicates that they write something into their prayerbook, and how long and at what cost it takes them to do so. It does not mean that prayerbook=spellbook.

Exactly - the writing is the issue here. Since they use the same writing, they are both considered "magical writings."

[Monk of love]

My dm claims there's an actual feat but says "I have to find it" ugh..

[MaxiDuRaritry]

My dm claims there's an actual feat but says "I have to find it" ugh..There's an ACF, Extra Spell, and Spell Mastery. Everything else for a wizard really requires a spellbook.

There's also the psionics route. The convert spell-to-power ACF for the erudite allows you to know all the spells you want, but you manifest them as psionic powers.

[Renen]

My dm claims there's an actual feat but says "I have to find it" ugh..

Your DM is not perfect. He just likely mistaken a feat for an ACF (which really, ACF is kinda like feats except tied to a class)