RakiReborn
2016-04-12, 05:30 PM
Hi GiantITP,
Been a while since i last posted some new homebrew here. Been busy with life, but also on a new project of mine: Hybrid Class Rules. It is still quite rough, but i wanted to get some insight from some fellow homebrewers.
These supplement rules are to make a hybrid class: you take two classes, and make progress at them equally, combining both, but mastering none. Instead of multiclassing with the PHB rules, this is supposed to give you a real feeling of being both. This is quite hard to balance, but i have tried. Here comes the first draft:
I chose to make these as more balanced 'Gestallt' rules, as they were leaning towards those rules more. Hybrid class rules will come soon in a different post!
Gestallt Class Rules
Some adventurers specialize in one class, others take training in another to enhance their primary class. But there are also those that combine two classes, and train themselves in them equally. They combine the ways of both classes, but are masters in none. These are the Gestallt.
HIT POINTS
Hit dice: You add both hit dice together, and halve it (rounded down to the nearest even sided die) to get your Gestallt class Hit Dice (e.g. a barbarian and sorcerer Gestallt gets (12+6)/2=9, which gets you a d8 Hit Die).
Starting Hit points: The maximum of your Hit Die + your constitution modifier. (e.g. a barbarian and a sorcerer Gestallt gives a d8 Hit Die, so it gets 8 + its constitution modifier hp)
Hit points after 1st level: Your Hit Die (or average rounded up) + your Constitution modifier per Gestallt level after 1st.
PROFICIENCIES
Armor: The armor proficiencies that concur in both classes.
Weapons: The combined weapon proficiencies from both classes.
Tools: All tools given by both classes.
Saving throws: Combine the two classes’ saving throws, and choose one common and one uncommon saving throw (common: dex, con, wis. Uncommon: str, int, cha).
Skills: Combine the skills you may choose from. You get proficiency in three of those skills. If a class gives more skill proficiencies, you may choose them from that class’ options.
FEATURES
Gestallt Level
Features
Scaling features as class level
1
Lvl1 features from both classes
1
2
Lvl2 features from both classes
2
3
Lvl3 feature from one class (player's choice)
3
4
Ability Score Increase
3
5
Lvl3 feature from the other class
4
6
Lvl5 feature from one class (player's choice)
4
7
-
5
8
Ability Score Increase
5
9
lvl5 feature from the other class
6
10
Lvl6 features from both classes
6
11
-
7
12
Ability Score Increase
7
13
Lvl7 features from both classes
8
14
Lvl9 feature from one class (player's choice)
8
15
-
9
16
Ability Score Increase
9
17
Lvl9 feature from the other class
10
18
Lvl10 features from both classes
10
19
Ability Score Increase
11
20
Lvl11 features from both classes
11
Spellcasting for all classes
Barbarian:
- Rage
Druid:
- Wild shape
Fighter:
- Second Wind
- Battlemaster superiority dice and maneuvers
Monk:
- Martial arts
- Ki Points
- Unarmored Movement
- Elemental Disciplines
Paladin:
- Lay on Hands
Rogue:
- Sneak Attack
Sorcerer:
- Font of Magic
Warlock:
- Pact Magic
- Invocations
Wizard:
- Arcane Recovery
The features and the scaling by class level of features are now both up to level 11: this is the start of tier3 features and progression, so that made a nice capstone. Levels 7, 11 and 15 you gain no features, as those are levels you gain power jumps in the scaling features, and this way i could make it go till lvl11 features nicely. I do realize more features could be chosen for 'scaling by class level' (bardic inspiration, extra attacks for fighters), but as far as i can see those are all also noted in the features list from their classes individually. This is why I didn't include them in the scaling list.
Specials at features:
Feature’s granting Heavy Armor proficiency
If one of the classes gives you heavy armor proficiency while you do not have medium armor proficiency, you instead gain armor proficiency one step higher (none - light - medium - heavy)
Features adding your spellcasting modifier to damage of spells
If both classes have features that add your spellcasting modifier to the damage of spells you cast, you only add your spellcasting modifier once. If you have multiple spellcasting abilities, you may choose which one to add.
Fighting Style
If both classes would give a fighting style in the first three levels of the class, you gain only the first you would get, but you may choose from either class' options.
Channel Divinity
If both classes would give you uses of Channel Divinity, you get the options of both classes. If both classes give you uses, you get only one class’s uses (player's choice).
Unarmored Defence
If both classes would give you Unarmored Defence, you may choose which one to use. They do not stack.
ASI’s
Some classes give an extra ASI aside from those in the table above. That ASI counts as a class feature, and you gain it at the appropriate level listed in the table above. If both classes give an extra ASI at the same level, you get only one.
Spellcasting
Cantrips
You follow the progression as per 'Scaling Features as class level' in the table above. If you would gain cantrips from both classes, choose one class' cantrip progression and follow that as per 'Scaling Features as class level' in the table above. You may choose the cantrip from both lists.
Spell Slots
Your spell slots are determined by the combination of your classes. If only one has it, use progression as scaling feature progression. If two have the same spellcasting, use full progression. If two have different spellcastings, use the tables below (i made these in a document, but it is too much work to add them here. Might put them online and add a link here later).
Known/Prepared spells
You follow the progression as per 'Scaling Features as class level' in the table above. If you have two classes that grant known or prepared spells, you learn/prepare them individually.
Spellcasting Focus
You can use both class’ spellcasting focus for both class’ spellcasting if you have more than one spellcasting feature.
Spellcasting ability
You can use both class’ spellcasting ability for both class’ spellcasting if you have more than one spellcasting feature.
So. That is the first second draft. It has been quite a project already, and am kind of stuck on the balancing bit. I want to make this as balanced as possible against the normal classes and multiclass rules. It might not be possible, but at least i want tot try.
This is where i ask your help. Any thoughts, suggestions, feedback, critique or help in general is more than welcome. (Although I hope to get more than 'this is OP' ofcourse...). Thanks in advance.
Been a while since i last posted some new homebrew here. Been busy with life, but also on a new project of mine: Hybrid Class Rules. It is still quite rough, but i wanted to get some insight from some fellow homebrewers.
These supplement rules are to make a hybrid class: you take two classes, and make progress at them equally, combining both, but mastering none. Instead of multiclassing with the PHB rules, this is supposed to give you a real feeling of being both. This is quite hard to balance, but i have tried. Here comes the first draft:
I chose to make these as more balanced 'Gestallt' rules, as they were leaning towards those rules more. Hybrid class rules will come soon in a different post!
Gestallt Class Rules
Some adventurers specialize in one class, others take training in another to enhance their primary class. But there are also those that combine two classes, and train themselves in them equally. They combine the ways of both classes, but are masters in none. These are the Gestallt.
HIT POINTS
Hit dice: You add both hit dice together, and halve it (rounded down to the nearest even sided die) to get your Gestallt class Hit Dice (e.g. a barbarian and sorcerer Gestallt gets (12+6)/2=9, which gets you a d8 Hit Die).
Starting Hit points: The maximum of your Hit Die + your constitution modifier. (e.g. a barbarian and a sorcerer Gestallt gives a d8 Hit Die, so it gets 8 + its constitution modifier hp)
Hit points after 1st level: Your Hit Die (or average rounded up) + your Constitution modifier per Gestallt level after 1st.
PROFICIENCIES
Armor: The armor proficiencies that concur in both classes.
Weapons: The combined weapon proficiencies from both classes.
Tools: All tools given by both classes.
Saving throws: Combine the two classes’ saving throws, and choose one common and one uncommon saving throw (common: dex, con, wis. Uncommon: str, int, cha).
Skills: Combine the skills you may choose from. You get proficiency in three of those skills. If a class gives more skill proficiencies, you may choose them from that class’ options.
FEATURES
Gestallt Level
Features
Scaling features as class level
1
Lvl1 features from both classes
1
2
Lvl2 features from both classes
2
3
Lvl3 feature from one class (player's choice)
3
4
Ability Score Increase
3
5
Lvl3 feature from the other class
4
6
Lvl5 feature from one class (player's choice)
4
7
-
5
8
Ability Score Increase
5
9
lvl5 feature from the other class
6
10
Lvl6 features from both classes
6
11
-
7
12
Ability Score Increase
7
13
Lvl7 features from both classes
8
14
Lvl9 feature from one class (player's choice)
8
15
-
9
16
Ability Score Increase
9
17
Lvl9 feature from the other class
10
18
Lvl10 features from both classes
10
19
Ability Score Increase
11
20
Lvl11 features from both classes
11
Spellcasting for all classes
Barbarian:
- Rage
Druid:
- Wild shape
Fighter:
- Second Wind
- Battlemaster superiority dice and maneuvers
Monk:
- Martial arts
- Ki Points
- Unarmored Movement
- Elemental Disciplines
Paladin:
- Lay on Hands
Rogue:
- Sneak Attack
Sorcerer:
- Font of Magic
Warlock:
- Pact Magic
- Invocations
Wizard:
- Arcane Recovery
The features and the scaling by class level of features are now both up to level 11: this is the start of tier3 features and progression, so that made a nice capstone. Levels 7, 11 and 15 you gain no features, as those are levels you gain power jumps in the scaling features, and this way i could make it go till lvl11 features nicely. I do realize more features could be chosen for 'scaling by class level' (bardic inspiration, extra attacks for fighters), but as far as i can see those are all also noted in the features list from their classes individually. This is why I didn't include them in the scaling list.
Specials at features:
Feature’s granting Heavy Armor proficiency
If one of the classes gives you heavy armor proficiency while you do not have medium armor proficiency, you instead gain armor proficiency one step higher (none - light - medium - heavy)
Features adding your spellcasting modifier to damage of spells
If both classes have features that add your spellcasting modifier to the damage of spells you cast, you only add your spellcasting modifier once. If you have multiple spellcasting abilities, you may choose which one to add.
Fighting Style
If both classes would give a fighting style in the first three levels of the class, you gain only the first you would get, but you may choose from either class' options.
Channel Divinity
If both classes would give you uses of Channel Divinity, you get the options of both classes. If both classes give you uses, you get only one class’s uses (player's choice).
Unarmored Defence
If both classes would give you Unarmored Defence, you may choose which one to use. They do not stack.
ASI’s
Some classes give an extra ASI aside from those in the table above. That ASI counts as a class feature, and you gain it at the appropriate level listed in the table above. If both classes give an extra ASI at the same level, you get only one.
Spellcasting
Cantrips
You follow the progression as per 'Scaling Features as class level' in the table above. If you would gain cantrips from both classes, choose one class' cantrip progression and follow that as per 'Scaling Features as class level' in the table above. You may choose the cantrip from both lists.
Spell Slots
Your spell slots are determined by the combination of your classes. If only one has it, use progression as scaling feature progression. If two have the same spellcasting, use full progression. If two have different spellcastings, use the tables below (i made these in a document, but it is too much work to add them here. Might put them online and add a link here later).
Known/Prepared spells
You follow the progression as per 'Scaling Features as class level' in the table above. If you have two classes that grant known or prepared spells, you learn/prepare them individually.
Spellcasting Focus
You can use both class’ spellcasting focus for both class’ spellcasting if you have more than one spellcasting feature.
Spellcasting ability
You can use both class’ spellcasting ability for both class’ spellcasting if you have more than one spellcasting feature.
So. That is the first second draft. It has been quite a project already, and am kind of stuck on the balancing bit. I want to make this as balanced as possible against the normal classes and multiclass rules. It might not be possible, but at least i want tot try.
This is where i ask your help. Any thoughts, suggestions, feedback, critique or help in general is more than welcome. (Although I hope to get more than 'this is OP' ofcourse...). Thanks in advance.