Rainshine
2016-04-12, 08:55 PM
This topic looks like it's been batted around a bit, but I couldn't find a very solid answer on it with my Google.
The words Base Speed and Base Land Speed occur a lot of places, I've found. Barbarian and Monk Fast Movement, Boots of Striding, Haste, etc. The specific interactions I'm interested in occur within the text of the Path of War stuff, but can also be found in similar abilities within core (Swim, Climb, etc).
Stalker Recovery
When recovering his maneuvers as a full round action, he may move up to his base speed and adds a +4 insight bonus to his Armor Class as his ki defends his form while he re-centers himself
Stance of the Crane Knight
While in this stance, you gain a fly speed equal to twice your base land speed with average maneuverability and you gain DR 10/evil
With no gear/spells, it's pretty easy. Your racial speed is 20/30 usually, and you use that. The language of Boots, for instance
These boots increase the wearer's base land speed by 10 feet
make it sound like it would get multiplied/halved in. The language of Haste
All of the hasted creature's modes of movement (including land movement, burrow, climb, fly, and swim) increase by 30 feet,...This increase counts as an enhancement bonus does not sound like it would be. So, for instance, a human hasted stalker recovering would only move 30 feet, but if they had boots, they'd move 40. Similarly, in Stance they'd move 90 if hasted, and 80 with boots? That seems silly and inconsistent to me, as they're both enhancement bonuses. Further, the monk Fast Movement ability only says land speed, so a 9th level human monk (30 base + 30 fast movement) would, on a successful check, climb at 15 (1/2 'base speed') rather than 30. Haste would increase that by 15' (equal to speed of that kind of movement) to a total of 30', Boots would take it up 5' to 20' (Plus half of 10).
Order of the Flame cavalier
as long as he rolls an 11 or higher on the die, he can move up to his base speed as an immediate action -- even if hasted, because hasted never specifies base, he'd move at essentially 1/2 speed (30 instead of his 60 with a move action).
Does it seem unreasonable/RAI to just say that all these increases apply the same way -- obeying normal stacking rules, but that they all apply to "base speed", regardless of the specific language of the ability?
The words Base Speed and Base Land Speed occur a lot of places, I've found. Barbarian and Monk Fast Movement, Boots of Striding, Haste, etc. The specific interactions I'm interested in occur within the text of the Path of War stuff, but can also be found in similar abilities within core (Swim, Climb, etc).
Stalker Recovery
When recovering his maneuvers as a full round action, he may move up to his base speed and adds a +4 insight bonus to his Armor Class as his ki defends his form while he re-centers himself
Stance of the Crane Knight
While in this stance, you gain a fly speed equal to twice your base land speed with average maneuverability and you gain DR 10/evil
With no gear/spells, it's pretty easy. Your racial speed is 20/30 usually, and you use that. The language of Boots, for instance
These boots increase the wearer's base land speed by 10 feet
make it sound like it would get multiplied/halved in. The language of Haste
All of the hasted creature's modes of movement (including land movement, burrow, climb, fly, and swim) increase by 30 feet,...This increase counts as an enhancement bonus does not sound like it would be. So, for instance, a human hasted stalker recovering would only move 30 feet, but if they had boots, they'd move 40. Similarly, in Stance they'd move 90 if hasted, and 80 with boots? That seems silly and inconsistent to me, as they're both enhancement bonuses. Further, the monk Fast Movement ability only says land speed, so a 9th level human monk (30 base + 30 fast movement) would, on a successful check, climb at 15 (1/2 'base speed') rather than 30. Haste would increase that by 15' (equal to speed of that kind of movement) to a total of 30', Boots would take it up 5' to 20' (Plus half of 10).
Order of the Flame cavalier
as long as he rolls an 11 or higher on the die, he can move up to his base speed as an immediate action -- even if hasted, because hasted never specifies base, he'd move at essentially 1/2 speed (30 instead of his 60 with a move action).
Does it seem unreasonable/RAI to just say that all these increases apply the same way -- obeying normal stacking rules, but that they all apply to "base speed", regardless of the specific language of the ability?