How do outsiders come for revenge?

[sorcererlover]

Most outsiders don't have any ability for planar travel, even high end ones like balors and pit fiends. All the planar binding articles I've read say the outsiders come back for revenge but... how?

[Deadline]

Most outsiders don't have any ability for planar travel, even high end ones like balors and pit fiends. All the planar binding articles I've read say the outsiders come back for revenge but... how?

There are other methods of planar travel. Portals, gate towns, numerous pathways (like the river Styx, the Infinite Staircase, etc.). There are also plenty of items, scrolls, and the like that will do it as well. And more than a few cults in the world that would be more than happy to summon fiends, or murder someone on their behalf.

[Necroticplague]

Most outsiders don't have any ability for planar travel, even high end ones like balors and pit fiends. All the planar binding articles I've read say the outsiders come back for revenge but... how?
1. Favors. Good outsiders tend to be relatively charitable, powerful evil outsiders tend to be able to pull strings to get a plane shift.
2. Items. If their own abilities don't let them, there's nothing stopping them from picking up a scroll of it.
3. Natural features. It's possible for cross planar travel without magic. Natural portals exist in some places (and can be crafted even if they aren't). Chances are, if you look hard enough, you could probably find a portal from whatever plane you're on to the City of Doors, then find another portal to whatever you destination plane is.

[Eisfalken]

Most outsiders don't have any ability for planar travel, even high end ones like balors and pit fiends. All the planar binding articles I've read say the outsiders come back for revenge but... how?

You must be really, really, really, really new to D&D if you actually think outsiders can't learn magic themselves, or pay another one that has, to use plane shift.

How delicious.

[Cruiser1]

You must be really, really, really, really new to D&D if you actually think outsiders can't learn magic themselves, or pay another one that has, to use plane shift.
Also, you must have a less experienced DM if you've never fought a monster with class levels. :smallwink: Indeed, most monsters can gain planar travel, just by giving it enough levels of Cleric.

[Psyren]

The ones that don't have planar travel can often catch a ride from the ones that do. Efreet for instance have at-will plane shift to the Astral (which has gates/color pools leading everywhere else), and would have no problem currying favor with Pit Fiends and other powerful LE types.


Also, you must have a less experienced DM if you've never fought a monster with class levels. :smallwink: Indeed, most monsters can gain planar travel, just by giving it enough levels of Cleric.

Or the class templates (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/templates/simple-class-templates) from Pathfinder, which save you from dumping a bunch of HD on them. An efreet sorcerer would be an interesting matchup for instance.

[Eisfalken]

Also, you must have a less experienced DM if you've never fought a monster with class levels. :smallwink: Indeed, most monsters can gain planar travel, just by giving it enough levels of Cleric.

That was my point. That monsters can get plane shift themselves if they don't have the SLA.

Yeah.